From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 12 07:17:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA13112 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13095 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00809; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970512101113.00bac288@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:11:16 -0400 To: Michael Smith From: dennis Subject: Re: if_de.c ???? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:53 PM 5/12/97 +0930, Michael Smith wrote: >Dennis stands accused of saying: >> >> Kinda pathetic, really. Especially from people (30 or 40 cards?) >> >> that obviously have the resources, and would be quite happy to >> >> benefit from someone else's hard work at no expense to themselves. >> >> I see that the FreeBSD team has no pride in their work...whoever said this. > >Uhh. Dennis, pride doesn't pay the bills. Pride doesn't buy hardware >for you to support. It this a line from Animal Farm? > >Pride is what makes us want to work on FreeBSD rather than take cushy >feet-on-the-desk admin jobs and spend the weekend four-wheeling around >the outback. > >> Its the guys with the "resources" that are giving you hackers a pen to play >> in....they are the ones making the market so that the vendors answer the >> phone when you can and ask them for specs. > >Vendors answer the phone? Hah! You gotta be dreaming. I've been >hounding vendors for chip programming details for years, and the scene >really hasn't changed a lot over time. The "nice" people still make >data free, the "nasty" ones still hoard it jealously. Would be nice, wouldn't it? Certain things you're just not gonna get...so deal with it. Do you think that SMC is gonna build another card with DEC-like chip when anyone with a $500. layout program can clone the board and steal their market? Its getting so easy to clone hardware, particularly with single chip solutions, that you're going to see big vendors refuse to use parts that have public specs...like you said, you gotta pay the bills, and it doesnt pay to build hardware with readily available hardware with public specs. Dennis