From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 5 19:47:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0898A16A4CE for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 19:47:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDE743D7D for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 19:47:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j45Jm3b63452; Thu, 5 May 2005 12:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Sebastian Reichelt" , Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:47:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050505155602.556d2a3c.SebastianR@gmx.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: FreeBSD Installation Horror X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 19:47:52 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Sebastian > Reichelt > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 6:56 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installation Horror > > > Now I got the CD from someone else, and finally the installation went > well. It would still have been nice if all the things I described had > just worked. I was able to install Debian without any problems, even > though I didn't have any Unix experience at all. Compared to that, the > FreeBSD installation should have been a piece of cake for me now. If I > have to spend several days on it, I think a normal computer would give > up without getting very far. > FreeBSD isn't written for normal computer users. It's not deliberately written to be difficult, but it simply is difficult for normal users, in the same way that a Formula 1 race car would be rather difficult for your mother to drive, I'd wager. If you put the effort and time into it you will learn a lot and get many benefits. However most normal computer users don't want to put a lot of time into a computer, they just want it to "work" meaning work in whatever definition of work that they have for a computer. Many of the Linux distributions have chosen to make a special effort to cater to these people, and that is fine for them. FreeBSD has chosen not to make a special effort to cater to this group, and that is fine too. You as a user need to choose which approach you want to take and use the appropriate operating system for that approach. > Anyway, trying to establish a PPP connection still crashes the entire > system. Actually, it's probably the serial port driver: It > also crashes > when I just do: > echo "Hello" >/dev/cuaa0 What is your dmesg output? The above should not crash the computer. Ted