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Date:      Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:11:57 -0500
From:      Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>
To:        Neil Short <neshort@yahoo.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Effing HAL
Message-ID:  <6201873e0910300811j52e65d45idb34c3be437c59d3@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>
> > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so
> > frustrated, but I run into
> > these sorts of problems myself from time to time.
> > It's usually because I
> > didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in
> > this case might have
> > warned you.
> >
> > 20090123:
> >   AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server
> >   AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org
> > ....
>
> I hate to say this; but I carefully read the UPDATING log you quoted and
> used the solution suggested - which did not work for me. It sounds like
> there is some special extra installation required - and I have not found the
> details on it. This is a very old problem. I worked on this problem until I
> got frustrated and installed Linux. I hate it and look forward to this
> problem in FBSD being fixed so I can go back.
>
> USB stuff - and ethernet divices don't work worth squat in Linux.
>

Well that particular entry isn't necessary as noted by the next one in
UPDATING.  Is it possible your doing it wrong?  It's worked for me on many
different installations and hardware platforms.  All I see on this thread is
griping with no error logs or configuration files.  It's almost like the
complainers don't want their issues addressed so they can keep on keeping
on.  I see various complaints about HAL using too much memory.  Exactly how
is that determined?  I hope top wasn't used to make that evaluation.

Is xorg documentation fragmented?  Sure, I hear you.  That's why I use this:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-install.html

dual-screens

either twin-view or http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2

Since switching to HAL, I have never had an issue with mouse or keyboard.
Prior to HAL, setup was more of an issue and stable once configured.  Now
setup is no issue, and it's stable.  Seems like a positive move.  Only issue
I experienced was migrating from xorg non-HAL to xorg HAL.  Once I got my
head around the fact that this is easier, it was no longer an issue.

Provide xorg-server is current, I've yet to see that fail.

-- 
Adam Vande More



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