From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 11 10:48:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E9237B568 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA45333; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:48:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA21870; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000811132733.00d951e0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:43:52 -0400 To: "Jason C. Wells" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 3ware IDE Raid. SCSI killer? Cc: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: References: <200008110516.BAA10534@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:59 AM 8/11/00 -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On a big system you could save 3 to 4 times. > > Let's see some prices on a RAID 10 system with 4 drives > >Yep, this is the point I conceded to that other fellow who laid it out for >me. The real kicker is when drive capacities start going up, the price >difference becomes more pronounced. I think we are all making valid points here, and I agree very much with what you have written in your post. Perhaps to clarify a general point I was trying to raise by example around the issue of cost. I work for an ISP where our IT costs are obviously quite significant in this very competitive marketspace. When I do my hardware budget, I generally cost it out by project/service area. For me USENET storage is pretty hard to justify as its viewed generally as a cost as opposed to a value add-- i.e. compared to web site storage space, and the most important one email, USENET is at the bottom of the list priority wise for our customers as a whole. So for my case, IDE RAID, (if the performance is acceptable) is a perfect fit. If the RAID0 stripe dies, half a day's news is gone. Big deal. I pop in a new cheap drive, and let the 'porn/warez/mpegz' start gushing in again.... But, compared to something as important as my mail spool, I'll stick to SCSI as I have found the drives to be that much more reliable, and worth the extra cost. So, in summary, think case by case basis as opposed to overall 'bye bye SCSI'. Need a big ass USENET spool, perhaps IDE RAID will do it for you. Need a massive tmp Amanda spooling area ? Perhaps IDE RAID as well.... High performance, high availability mail spool ? Perhaps not... yet. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message