From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 9 21:52:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A5216A4CE; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:52:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.portaone.com (support.portaone.com [195.70.151.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9843D41; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:52:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobomax@portaone.com) Received: from [192.168.0.73] (portacare.portaone.com [195.140.247.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.portaone.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j29LDsqe074153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:13:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sobomax@portaone.com) Message-ID: <422F6703.70409@portaone.com> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:13:39 +0200 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Porta Software Ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <422E407B.4080507@portaone.com> <86k6oht386.fsf@xps.des.no> <422F087F.9030906@portaone.com> <20050309.085035.129356491.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20050309.085035.129356491.imp@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 10:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on www.portaone.com X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: des@des.no cc: alfred@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/compat/linux linux_socket.c X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:52:22 -0000 M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <422F087F.9030906@portaone.com> > Maxim Sobolev writes: > : and need this tool to upgrade otherwise perfectly working system(s). > > As a veteran of ABI wars, I think that you have an unrealistic > expectations about what can be done. While an interesting goal, too > many of the developers are hard wired to not even think about such > considerations to make it successful. We have a hard enough time > making backward compatibility work, there's no hope for 'forward' > compatability. As a junior of ABI wars I think I have a realistic expectation about what can be done. Yes, many developers don't care about `backward' compatibility, let alone `forward' compatibility, but in fact both are really necessary in we want to position FreeBSD as a sound design. -Maxim