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Date:      Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:04:48 -0500
From:      Bart Silverstrim <bsilver@chrononomicon.com>
To:        Erich Dollansky <oceanare@pacific.net.sg>
Cc:        "eBoundHost@FreeBSD.ORG:Artur" <artur@eboundhost.com>, Frank Shute <frank@esperance-linux.co.uk>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD chat <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: who wrote this
Message-ID:  <474C2400.1090403@chrononomicon.com>
In-Reply-To: <474B8CD3.2030906@pacific.net.sg>
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Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> 1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an 
>> appropriate forum to express political views.  so whether we are for 
>> or against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really 
>> does not matter.  what matters is how good our coding is, and how 
>> appropriate the wording on our website.  because like it or not, we 
>> have to present a decent website that does not offend our users and 
>> does not make us look bad in front of non-users.
> 
> this reasoning was one of the main excuses of Germans after the war was 
> lost. 'I only did my job'.

This thread has been a wonderful demonstration of how people rationalize 
and interpret information.

The poster before you was saying that they don't care what your non-BSD 
related views are, keep them to yourself.  They're saying the priority 
is to promote and evangelize BSD. The political commentary has nothing 
to do with the OS, so it reflects on the community when threads like 
this are pursued.

Somehow, you're saying the "Germans rationalized their atrocities with 
the excuse they were only doing their jobs."

A) I don't see how the two are related at all.  You're not making any 
clear justification for that reply.
B) What happened was more a demonstration of society and psychology than 
having an entire nation suddenly "go insane."  Every society has 
elements that to an outsider with their own culture and standards seems 
insane, and events of the period will also influence perceptions.

It's also very clear that Germany wasn't one cohesive anti-Jewish loony 
bin.  They were people, plain Jane citizens with their own beliefs and 
lives.

>> that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting 
>> is that we remove his name from the website: 
> 
> Is there a shorter way to express the same thing?

Replace everything mildly offensive with the string Anonymous or Chuck 
or Beastie.  Whitewashing everything is the clearest way to having an 
enlightened community.




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