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Date:      Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:11:43 +0100
From:      Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>, Eivind Eklund <eivind@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles freebsd-tips Makefile
Message-ID:  <0106152211430E.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010615133859.47461G-100000@fledge.watson.org>
References:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010615133859.47461G-100000@fledge.watson.org>

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2 things.

On Friday 15 June 2001  6:43 pm, Robert Watson wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Eivind Eklund wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 01:45:44AM -0700, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > > nik         2001/06/15 01:45:44 PDT
> > >
> > >   Modified files:
> > >     games/fortune/datfiles Makefile
> > >   Added files:
> > >     games/fortune/datfiles freebsd-tips
> > >   Log:
> > >   Add a new category of fortunes, 'freebsd-tips'.  Useful hints,
> > > advice, and pointers to areas of the system that might not be
> > > apparent on first inspection.
> >
> > I think this is extremely cool, but have one fairly strong objection. 

1.  I don't care about the attributions.  My tips aren't attributed, I 
attributed everybody else's by default.

As a precedent, we also try and attribute changes to the Handbook -- last 
time this came up on -doc, people were very opposed to removing them.  I 
realise the cases aren't identical, I just offer it up as a data point.

Linked to this is #2.

> Well, while I think this is spiffy, I think enabling it for all logins by
> all users is obnoxious in and of itself :-).  Anyone else here get
> endlessly irritated by that need to constantly disable "tips" every time
> they log into a windows machine, start a windows application, etc?

I do intend to put this in the default .profile.  The audience of this 
mailing list is emphatically *not* the intended audience for the tips.  
Personal feedback from the two groups this is intended for (the folks on 
- -questions and -newbies) has been strongly in favour of seeing this at 
login time.

Adding attribution is also a good incentive for people who perhaps wouldn't 
otherwise contribute to do so.  It's another small action that helps build 
up the BSD community.

I have no problems with putting "How do I stop seeing tips when I login?" 
go in to the FAQ.

Anyone who does know enough to change these out of the box also almost 
certainly have their own dot-files that they use religiously anyway, so 
this is almost never an issue.

> Currently, we don't have a framework for mapping global configurations
> into individual logins.  The closest thing that might be a reasonable
> match is the existing fortune stuff in login files.  I commented them out
> a while back because the occasionally stupid one (such as "Core dumped."
> which looks very stupid), or long one caused problems and looked
> stunningly unprofessional.  

The tips don't fall in to either of these categories.

N
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