From owner-cvs-all Fri Jun 15 14:35:12 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04F437B401; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5FLBh603389; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:11:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton To: Robert Watson , Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles freebsd-tips Makefile Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:11:43 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Nik Clayton , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106152211430E.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 2 things. On Friday 15 June 2001 6:43 pm, Robert Watson wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 01:45:44AM -0700, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > nik 2001/06/15 01:45:44 PDT > > > > > > Modified files: > > > games/fortune/datfiles Makefile > > > Added files: > > > games/fortune/datfiles freebsd-tips > > > Log: > > > Add a new category of fortunes, 'freebsd-tips'. Useful hints, > > > advice, and pointers to areas of the system that might not be > > > apparent on first inspection. > > > > I think this is extremely cool, but have one fairly strong objection. 1. I don't care about the attributions. My tips aren't attributed, I attributed everybody else's by default. As a precedent, we also try and attribute changes to the Handbook -- last time this came up on -doc, people were very opposed to removing them. I realise the cases aren't identical, I just offer it up as a data point. Linked to this is #2. > Well, while I think this is spiffy, I think enabling it for all logins by > all users is obnoxious in and of itself :-). Anyone else here get > endlessly irritated by that need to constantly disable "tips" every time > they log into a windows machine, start a windows application, etc? I do intend to put this in the default .profile. The audience of this mailing list is emphatically *not* the intended audience for the tips. Personal feedback from the two groups this is intended for (the folks on - -questions and -newbies) has been strongly in favour of seeing this at login time. Adding attribution is also a good incentive for people who perhaps wouldn't otherwise contribute to do so. It's another small action that helps build up the BSD community. I have no problems with putting "How do I stop seeing tips when I login?" go in to the FAQ. Anyone who does know enough to change these out of the box also almost certainly have their own dot-files that they use religiously anyway, so this is almost never an issue. > Currently, we don't have a framework for mapping global configurations > into individual logins. The closest thing that might be a reasonable > match is the existing fortune stuff in login files. I commented them out > a while back because the occasionally stupid one (such as "Core dumped." > which looks very stupid), or long one caused problems and looked > stunningly unprofessional. The tips don't fall in to either of these categories. N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsqeg8ACgkQk6gHZCw343VejQCfYJxTilR4WWL/+zDo8EC+q/sf 7yYAn0fNkpV4LT9ns3uyhTTqmlyeozUy =K+oj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message