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Date:      23 Jan 2002 22:28:04 -0800
From:      swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen)
To:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Intaller (was "Re: ... RedHat ...")
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Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> writes:

> Brett Glass wrote:
> > Who is attempting to enforce such absurdly tight restrictions
> > on the use of the FreeBSD trademark? Certainly, there should be
> > an ability to offer one's own installer, as is true with NetBSD.
> 
> Brett, don't be a troll.  You know very well.  It's not like
> this is a new audience for the gripe.

The gripe is new to me, so I guess that makes this a new audience.

On the assumption that the trademark should be in the hands of some
non-profit group or that it should be treated as if it were, I'm not
sure what conditions SHOULD be placed on the use of the trademark.

The loosest conditions are simply that the trademark owner be
acknowledged in certain uses such as advertising and CD boxes; the
only reason being to prevent someone else from owning the mark and
applying Draconian conditions.

But there are other conditions which an organization could reasonably,
if controversially, impose.

  1) Various levels of conformity so people know what "FreeBSD" means
  and what they're getting when they get the OS.  This allows books and
  documnetation to be written without all kinds of confusion as in the
  Linux world.

  2) Various arbitrary selections of software or designs simply to
  please the organization leadership or to avoid competition from
  money-making value-adders.

It's quite reasonable for a trademark-owning organization to 100%
specify what their mark may be applied to.  I think it should be
possible to allow some leeway in FreeBSD distributions without causing
Linux-like mass confusion, but I'm sure opinions vary widely as to
what that should be.  Perhaps some requirement for using a standard
installer and other standard software, or more likely, a requirement 
for proper notice of deviations from a standard.

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