From owner-cvs-all Thu Mar 15 0:29:39 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8154237B71A; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:29:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2F8SJH09877; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: bsddiy@21cn.com Cc: nate@yogotech.com, asmodai@wxs.nl, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c] In-Reply-To: <1952303922.20010315090121@21cn.com> References: <15023.42384.196115.528084@nomad.yogotech.com> <20010314104836N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <1952303922.20010315090121@21cn.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010315002819G.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:28:19 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 30 Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > JH> Our strategy has never been anything more "brilliant" than fixing > JH> bugs, updating tools, writing drivers for new hardware > > sigh, is this FreeBSD strategy? if there isn't innovate in FreeBSD in > furture, I'd leave away now. :( I think you're confused - please read what I said again. I'm describing a state of affairs, I'm not saying FreeBSD will never be innovative. I rather hope it will be, in fact. Nate and I fundamentally disagree as to where one defines *any*, operating system vendor as "innovative" today. I don't happen to think that any one of the mainstream players are truly innovative, not Linux, not Microsoft, not Sun, not even BSD, and I don't care how many times you rewrite the VM system or create new filesystems for any of the above. To do any of that is to simply *extend* things within your classic design model, you're not doing the software equivalent of jumping from incandescent to fluorescent lighting or going from piston to jet-powered aircraft. Those are the sorts of things I consider truly worthy of the term "innovative" and that's all I've really been arguing for the last few iterations here. SMPng will be great stuff. The merged VM/Buffer cache was great stuff when it came out. I'm pretty proud of the ports collection. All of that was splendid *evolution* in action and I think FreeBSD has a lot more evolving ahead of it. And that's the last I'll say on this whole sorry subject - it's become largely a semantic argument. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message