From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 14:04:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D215216A4F1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EFF43D8A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:04:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with ESMTP id k36E3pVR011552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:03:53 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k36E4aEv026790; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:04:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k36E4aOS026789; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:04:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:04:36 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20060406140436.GA10773@gothmog.pc> References: <000001c65907$42db76c0$6401a8c0@thomas> <20060406094921.478b5cc3.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060406094921.478b5cc3.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.373, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.83, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Tom , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:04:27 -0000 On 2006-04-06 09:49, Bill Moran wrote: >"Tom" wrote: >> I am just looking at Free BSD as a Windows alternative. I >> have a home workgroup that I am out growing and wanting to do >> more with, but don't want to give MS any more Hundreds of hard >> earned dollars. >> >> My first question is where can I find a site that will list >> all approved or thoroughly checked out hardware to build a >> "box" (motherboards, and the like). I don't have the time, or >> patience to get into major software conflicts or bugs. I want >> to follow a A to B to C box build and software setup. Is there >> someone (or more) to guide me through the process? Is there a >> website with complete and accurate information on it? Is there >> a "BSD for idiots" instruction book that's current? Is there a >> BSD project team working with manufactures and touting their >> successes? Help! > > Don't use FreeBSD. I know this will be an unpopular post on > this list, but you've said a number of things that tell me that > you will be unsuccessful with FreeBSD: > 1) You don't seem to have any Unix experience > 2) You're coming from a Windows world > 3) You don't have time or patience > > #3 is particularly important, given #1 and #2. FreeBSD _will_ > take you some time to understand. It _will_ take some time and > effort to get it working the way you want. Since you are > totally new to it, it _will_ require patience. > > If you don't have time or patience to learn right now, you're > setting yourself up for failure. When you do have some time > and patience, we'll be happy to help you through your learning > curve. If you're looking for a fast, easy fix, you're not > going to find it by switching operating systems to something > you know nothing about. > > I've seen a number of people bash Linux and the BSDs because > they wanted a simple, cheap solution to Windows and did not > have the time or patience to work through the learning curve. > Unless I've misinterpreted your email and you do have some Unix > experience, this is not a good time to make the switch. No, this post shouldn't be unpopular on this list. * It was written in a clear, non-confrontational, civilized tone. * It explains why making the switch to FreeBSD may turn out badly. * It also makes it very clear that time and effort _is_ required. Tom, please read carefully what Bill Moran has written. Even if I tried, I would probably fail to put it all in better words. Then, if you decide that you _have_ the patience and time to switch, feel free to ask any question about FreeBSD here :) - Giorgos