From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 9 22:03:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687AB2F7097 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 22:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic312-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic312-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49KLnB59CBz4Nvl for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 22:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: BAZlwtsVM1n42WcVXj2WojJYnviXbmKp7tqal3QPEJtY8fBu2zavbKq13CB6dBP zCCgH2CG.vS4D2JKyzijIWBO9e8jUzX8uJPienfFbocb3biMKdRMHjglV.etSjm5RUWMBQoU7I1P ZiNL1ad1I.K6yKwzkRSm8PxpNSXeIrGhlI6GgLJW95o839_Y8HKEz6Pfy3VEZMiyDz2T9Rb_yaok MgNK5uYjPMDplENO_Kw9tMpXvRRE3ji2.xRMu8rb2S6Be1LfVEmsiv30vSrhH0URoDMDlq.4Aq.8 FHG7ug.1ntXeDOZlmb1MGsc9MX7LIPxp3ERaf_mzn41ZGEFpO6eLubgiZyoYyMoMXUnlTJMvZ8lA XffzhDEfYP3L5kdVd467Dl1GiHhZE0SKEMW_TlRj5SMnIgCBpGQ0sslXZCgVfMX9kgw5rNyGNiw5 bp9tH2zlxedZ6BJk5zG_2LIxqMNRHriX7WHENGMKg4BJJYT43PO2LVLd4mQHUDu.Xbop1PwpKYI3 4v.Xt_v1OzYOZV119lYhF4xpoWZ_8he6g7Lzi_WzQwy9Tqo4fECFXeMrITR5Gub7kf9c3fku6qjT 0L2YjlUKfT9RrYfv49tY7wxVZMKRfu1wgAs8alQJiq2IWpXP87XIy1pVOB8SDG.DsFxO.BrPxWkx rgijvCrzrS0NvQHe0mDFh1sNwxDlOP28GrJogyIYpnvES4jM3TrnwC0dvpXW47MLPBp0qiLteVjW Hwi6VLCXWC.Gcx2iMBdUYM6nfB1T.hEIiq6VcPoYsWWoeUolKwXmyFfomVZuWFkwFUFAk0sJuIrP 6aj6uHDjznt38OKyCHTFxeiMnDLDR3lXwpjUydyAnyWVWNUHGSRMOdqb4vMEMVvmkOgArLNyR.xh 3wWdvwqV5O4UAIsudzvs5ZaQmgi1su0UEEC2sIAqPehmZr68ZQqQ.ey4IuMB282pPuOtlYtpVgeY 4ZoxrmZVlsZMIbfCMF_o6POMFqE4jygw8LDN_paAovIEfjf9W3qKIeWD.BKvZ9.SD6ch_oUvpOtx XGXgfkKFyrrBdUHRlA9NPoqfdYaPMTcf3h776GV3iHhY4Du3OydTuiokcb62kkxWRKBikg6u7jnZ 2EY834HM4v0NtCM2IX8pygywgZKdd6MUOLAYcEAvCXnqW.mRG8PiYd3Yt5fbq0MV1s6oEmHSQA3m aDUPJl.iuPqRgqhWEvj3B35hIij_SS7bNkuNAmXpoKlfIZkaujAc8jd8mgDiL6mwrRyeiGGAtd5P 7s0wWBPTmHH8yvK6a4K5fQ.0xX1_1vp9w6v1FfnCyQoqkn8ciaHPfH_JPqNCrATfWWW1dq9CVUkc mo0p83jSk9pRYSF0cxyaZPcLDT6CYtj8oXpI5u792_Ovc_k_CpWBh6RFrs5qBC97M_qCKUzq49Vf VafV7PF3rMjR_3jNU Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 9 May 2020 22:03:39 +0000 Received: by smtp413.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e0dfb2521ec5434e2b31f7921c7e1d64; Sat, 09 May 2020 22:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 00:03:35 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux Message-ID: <20200510000335.340c1876@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200509214939.aa081d47e0c5c8d7533c191e@sohara.org> References: <20200508113438.00006adc@seibercom.net> <20200508185327.00007397@seibercom.net> <20200509063222.94d762e9751a32c693d73d2f@sohara.org> <20200509062517.00002c46@seibercom.net> <20200509121604.b385c38e8ad5518c9a571ef2@sohara.org> <20200509135024.d3ace507.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200509085553.00006a3a@seibercom.net> <20200509173218.7c1bec97.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200509125203.000036a2@seibercom.net> <20200509200216.10081e72@archlinux> <20200509160537.000068b7@seibercom.net> <20200509214939.aa081d47e0c5c8d7533c191e@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49KLnB59CBz4Nvl X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.27 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.46)[-0.462,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.32)[-0.322,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[97.178.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.14), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.11), asn: 34010(1.67), country: GB(-0.07)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[97.178.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.32 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 22:03:44 -0000 On Sat, 9 May 2020 21:49:39 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >The factors driving the rise of the home and small business >microprocessor based computer was the availability of microprocessors >and associated components and Moore's law. There were plenty of people >in the game, someone else would have risen to the top. Exactly, for example: "The Xerox Alto is the first computer designed from its inception to support an operating system based on a graphical user interface (GUI), later using the desktop metaphor.[7][8] The first machines were introduced on 1 March 1973,[9] a decade before mass-market GUI machines became available." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto "Alan Kay (one of the inventors of Smalltalk) also described a tablet computer he called the Dynabook [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook ] which resembles modern tablet computers like the iPad." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk#Influences The know how and the ideas existed, the IC chips became better and less expensive. A lot of people are business experts. Somebody else would have taken the chance to rush into this business. It would have been no problem without a Bill or Steve. It's not that likely that without Albert, somebody else's theories related to time, would be useful in the field, for technology such as GPS. Bill and Steve are most likely easy to replace by thousands of business wo/men, Albert and similar people are unlikely easy to replace by somebody else. FWIW off-list I got a hint referring to the OP ;). Perhaps it's better to care about this hint and to discontinue this thread.