From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 18:16:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A716106564A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED7B8FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so2508643bkc.13 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T2IlWrI9F9bh6IPpo2+ua1erC48bN54t7+y+7CfYFZA=; b=lMyCq/r4ybMMdV1mCpj9b5/E1R6iyVl7uZSPnH2nLeHuM2gDAqFmY1IghnNhgIHL8O B1ZQDSgTr3dmhuC/V0ItLQjC8RbM7WKnAXjuV/9NwKwrq7HvJAjQBHRerHbQS4l3hTly AaArtU7mjXEgqqdttSvmPGg/da65oZHyQPEadelJSBxFgYkdYQIjdi1kV2uRldKPtg8b z92qZN/q5sOXQUx8B67UOhuep2Pc93XHighkvCL+EUWSGhpKHkyg2hoP8wgyyajO/Ym6 5kQ8k7OCh43E+wva3eR/a9VWiT35+Bqg841JRtjqYCa8LI8IsEOWdc1ZcZWkBhyaDHv/ Z93w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.145.82 with SMTP id c18mr4705220bkv.133.1347905758836; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.141 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.141 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:15:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Tom Evans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Zhihao Yuan Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:16:00 -0000 On 17 Sep 2012 17:22, "Tom Evans" wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Zhihao Yuan wrote: > > I definitely agree with this. Sun has a book, "UNIX Essentials > > featuring the Solaris...", and GUI takes a big part in the book. A > > default GUI is essential to a modern UNIX. FreeBSD can no longer > > regard GUI as a third-party bonus. > > This is according to *your* use cases though. There are many of us who > do not put X - or any graphical environment - on our FreeBSD servers. > > If FreeBSD did not regard a GUI as an optional 3rd party component, > that would mean bringing Xorg, and a specified default WM into base - > potentially even dbus and hald as well. IMO that would be a waste of > time and resources, as both Xorg and most WM have rapid development > changes - just look at how many issues are brought up on x11@ when > there are new upgrades of Xorg available. > > As well as this, Xorg versions would have to remain relatively stable > during minor releases, meaning if you DO want X11, then you are being > hamstrung by requiring it in base. > > Status quo for me please. Time and time again, this comes up. Being official does not mean it should be in base. Chris