From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 12 22:52:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37833106566C for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (kozubik.com [216.218.240.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA118FC14 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kozubik.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kozubik.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q5CMqD67033563; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by kozubik.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id q5CMq6w0033560; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: Matt Olander In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20120612011645.GA7807@lonesome.com> <20120612151746.GA33004@DataIX.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon Subject: Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:52:21 -0000 Hi Matt, On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote: > So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long > Term Supported version of "PC-BSD Server", which is really FreeBSD > with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary > update server. While we were thinking of doing this with 9.1, we can > consider 8.x. I'll speak with Kris Moore and the rest of the team and > find out what it will take. > > We've hired a contract release engineer with this task in mind but > you're right, most of the work will be in backporting. I like the idea > of coming up with a number it would take and a plan to do it. We're > not the only people with the problem, obviously. As a last resort, I would be interested in this, but I'm more interested in changing the culture of FreeBSD releases and long-term support in general. I think that: a) there are a lot more people out there, that we never hear from, that have these same problems, and another "4.x style" release would really help them. b) there are a lot of people out there that could be drawn into the FreeBSD ecosystem if another "4.x style" release existed. I would much rather donate $10k to a $100k kickstarter and have this be "official" than set aside $10k privately for unofficial maintenance, or a "fork".