Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:39:56 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org> To: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, amdmi3@amdmi3.ru, src-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r187132 - head/usr.bin/make Message-ID: <20090130173956.GA9119@dragon.NUXI.org> In-Reply-To: <20090130.085130.-4349483.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <200901130653.n0D6rrNX092719@svn.freebsd.org> <20090130015518.GA20404@hades.panopticon> <20090130.085130.-4349483.imp@bsdimp.com>
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:51:30AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <20090130015518.GA20404@hades.panopticon> > Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru> writes: > : * David E. O'Brien (obrien@FreeBSD.org) wrote: > : I think this should be backed out. Those verbose messages: > : - Are completely unexpected, this violates POLA. > : - Do break recognizeable make output people are used to > : - Really uglify make output for some custom makefiles (for example, > : generated by cmake: .. > : There's golden unix way rule: silence is golden. So please back this > : out, as this will really annoy many people. > > This makes at least two requests... I hate them too. really really > really hate them. -Q is default in all my trees. > > The real problem is that it exposes way too many internal target names > that are totally baffling, even to me who has a lot of build > experience. Also, it isn't clear how to use them. > > O'Brien says they were disabled in 1994 for no good reason without > discussion, so he's turning them back on, without discussion. The > project is a very different place than it was then, and doing this > sort of thing is anti-social. s/1994/14-Nov-1998/ 100,000 of things change within FreeBSD without discission that displeases some set of folks. That's nothing new, but I'm restoring compatibility and functionailty, not removing it. I found src/Makefile.inc1 r134903 / rev 1.444 very noisy, but lived with it. I don't care that -s now implies -Q, except that it still leaves so much "noise" like r134903 / rev 1.444 and other output. [Why the log message is about 'Unanimous Consent' and not verbosity?] I wonder what % build speed improvement quieting that behind 'make -s' would give? -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)
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