From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 7 22:44:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C26A37B403 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brockspc (svcr-adsl-216-37-223-34.epix.net [216.37.223.34]) by lima.epix.net (8.12.1/2001100501/PL) with SMTP id f985iYlc025273 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 01:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c14fbc$485fac00$0500a8c0@brockspc> From: "Brock Kreiser" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 01:44:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C14F9A.BDD02FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C14F9A.BDD02FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, Ok let first state that i am a total newbie to fbsd!!! and also im = lovin it except for X.... I no i gotta be doing something wrong someware = but cant figure it out.... I'm running 4.4R and vs.3.3.6 of X (Gnome = with Enlightment}i got fbsd runnin on a amd 700 with 128megs of ram my = vid card is a Nivida riva TNT2 with 32megs of ram.. My monitor is a = gateway ev 500 horizontal sync range is 31-69 kHz vetical is 50-100.... i can get x to start but the display is just nasty its either 1 all grey = and no pics or the display pixels are so huge and unclear you cant see = anything at all... for the vid card selection i tried the nvidia riva tnt2(generic) also = tried the Riva tnt 2 but either way cant get it to work... I did have it = working the first time i ran fbsd but then i messed something up severly = and i ended up formating and starting all over again (what can i say = Damn Newbies) and yes i have read over the handbook and even the = complete fbsd book... but no matter what i cant get it to work.. 1 more = thing the one time i did get X to work... when runnin xf86config my vid = card was # 362 which now is 466 how that happen i will never no but = thats one of those lovely things about computers i guess..=20 someone please help me!!!!!!!!! if you need more info just let me no!!!!! like i said before im just a = newbie trying to escape from microsoft :)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C14F9A.BDD02FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey all,

Ok let first state = that i am a=20 total newbie to fbsd!!! and also im lovin it except for X.... I no i = gotta be=20 doing something wrong someware but cant figure it out.... I'm running=20 4.4R and vs.3.3.6 of X (Gnome with Enlightment}i got fbsd = runnin=20 on a amd 700 with 128megs of ram my vid card is a Nivida riva=20 TNT2 with 32megs of ram.. My monitor is a gateway ev 500=20 horizontal sync range is 31-69 kHz vetical is = 50-100....

i can get x to start but the display is = just nasty=20 its either 1 all grey and no pics or the display pixels are so huge = and=20 unclear you cant see anything at all...

for the vid card selection i tried the = nvidia riva=20 tnt2(generic) also tried the Riva tnt 2 but either way cant get it to = work... I=20 did have it working the first time i ran fbsd but then i messed = something up=20 severly and i ended up formating and starting all over again (what can i = say=20 Damn Newbies) and yes i have read over the handbook and even the = complete fbsd=20 book... but no matter what i cant get it to work.. 1 more thing the one = time i=20 did get X to work... when runnin xf86config my vid card was # 362 which = now is=20 466 how that happen i will never no but thats one of those lovely things = about=20 computers i guess..

someone please help = me!!!!!!!!!

if you need more info just let me = no!!!!! like i=20 said before im just a newbie trying to escape from microsoft :)=20

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C14F9A.BDD02FE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 7 22:45:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5049B37B403 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brockspc (svcr-adsl-216-37-223-34.epix.net [216.37.223.34]) by lima.epix.net (8.12.1/2001100501/PL) with SMTP id f985jPlc025286; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 01:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01c14fbc$66860670$0500a8c0@brockspc> From: "Brock Kreiser" To: "Brock Kreiser" , References: <001001c14fbc$485fac00$0500a8c0@brockspc> Subject: Re: HElp with X windows Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 01:45:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14F9A.DC539E70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14F9A.DC539E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brock Kreiser=20 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:44 AM Hey all, Ok let first state that i am a total newbie to fbsd!!! and also im = lovin it except for X.... I no i gotta be doing something wrong someware = but cant figure it out.... I'm running 4.4R and vs.3.3.6 of X (Gnome = with Enlightment}i got fbsd runnin on a amd 700 with 128megs of ram my = vid card is a Nivida riva TNT2 with 32megs of ram.. My monitor is a = gateway ev 500 horizontal sync range is 31-69 kHz vetical is 50-100.... i can get x to start but the display is just nasty its either 1 all = grey and no pics or the display pixels are so huge and unclear you cant = see anything at all... for the vid card selection i tried the nvidia riva tnt2(generic) also = tried the Riva tnt 2 but either way cant get it to work... I did have it = working the first time i ran fbsd but then i messed something up severly = and i ended up formating and starting all over again (what can i say = Damn Newbies) and yes i have read over the handbook and even the = complete fbsd book... but no matter what i cant get it to work.. 1 more = thing the one time i did get X to work... when runnin xf86config my vid = card was # 362 which now is 466 how that happen i will never no but = thats one of those lovely things about computers i guess..=20 someone please help me!!!!!!!!! if you need more info just let me no!!!!! like i said before im just a = newbie trying to escape from microsoft :)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14F9A.DC539E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brock=20 Kreiser
To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 1:44=20 AM

Hey all,

Ok let first state = that i am a=20 total newbie to fbsd!!! and also im lovin it except for X.... I no i = gotta be=20 doing something wrong someware but cant figure it out.... I'm running=20 4.4R and vs.3.3.6 of X (Gnome with Enlightment}i got = fbsd=20 runnin on a amd 700 with 128megs of ram my vid card is a Nivida = riva=20 TNT2 with 32megs of ram.. My monitor is a gateway ev = 500=20 horizontal sync range is 31-69 kHz vetical is = 50-100....

i can get x to start but the display = is just=20 nasty its either 1 all grey and no pics or the display pixels are = so huge=20 and unclear you cant see anything at all...

for the vid card selection i tried = the nvidia=20 riva tnt2(generic) also tried the Riva tnt 2 but either way cant get = it to=20 work... I did have it working the first time i ran fbsd but then i = messed=20 something up severly and i ended up formating and starting all over = again=20 (what can i say Damn Newbies) and yes i have read over the handbook = and even=20 the complete fbsd book... but no matter what i cant get it to work.. 1 = more=20 thing the one time i did get X to work... when runnin xf86config my = vid card=20 was # 362 which now is 466 how that happen i will never no but thats = one of=20 those lovely things about computers i guess..

someone please help = me!!!!!!!!!

if you need more info just let me = no!!!!! like i=20 said before im just a newbie trying to escape from microsoft :)=20

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14F9A.DC539E70-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 0:44:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from terminus.dnttm.ro (terminus.dnttm.ro [193.226.98.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE48737B401 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.saguaro.ro (dnt-gw-saguaro.dnttm.ro [193.226.98.106]) by terminus.dnttm.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30989; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:43:46 +0300 Received: from saguaro.ro (samba.spr [192.168.1.100]) by gateway.saguaro.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30675; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:43:34 +0300 Received: from claus (claus.spr [192.168.1.9]) by saguaro.ro (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f987gic13088; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:42:53 +0300 Message-ID: <006001c14fd4$f3d81410$0901a8c0@claus> From: "Claudiu Balogh" To: "Brock Kreiser" Cc: References: <001001c14fbc$485fac00$0500a8c0@brockspc> Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:40:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, It seems to me that XFree86 3.3.6 isn't capable of handling some newer nVidia cards correctly... I have had exactly the same problem with my GeForce 256, so I upgraded my X to ver. 4.*. XFree86 ver.4+ is changed in structure compared to previous versions. It's more modularized and has support for many newer cards (allegedly the nv4 driver, that I am using with my card, supports everything through GeForce3, as I remember reading the documentation for it). Upgrading to XFree86 is very simple, just follow the readme files and that's all. Everything went perfectly and I am now able to use my card with whatever resolution I please to. Maybe it's not the best solution, but it seems to be the simplest. I experiment a lot with FreeBSD, so I reinstall it very often. I never had a problem with upgrading to the latest version of XFree86. Maybe there are problems but I didn't notice any. So jump on the XFree86 ftp site and get the newest version. Hope this helps, Claus. P.S. Question: why isn't the latest XFree86 included in FreeBSD 4.4 ? I know this question should go to freebsd-questions, but since this problem has come up here I thought I might just ask it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brock Kreiser To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 07:44 Hey all, Ok let first state that i am a total newbie to fbsd!!! and also im lovin it except for X.... I no i gotta be doing something wrong someware but cant figure it out.... I'm running 4.4R and vs.3.3.6 of X (Gnome with Enlightment}i got fbsd runnin on a amd 700 with 128megs of ram my vid card is a Nivida riva TNT2 with 32megs of ram.. My monitor is a gateway ev 500 horizontal sync range is 31-69 kHz vetical is 50-100.... i can get x to start but the display is just nasty its either 1 all grey and no pics or the display pixels are so huge and unclear you cant see anything at all... for the vid card selection i tried the nvidia riva tnt2(generic) also tried the Riva tnt 2 but either way cant get it to work... I did have it working the first time i ran fbsd but then i messed something up severly and i ended up formating and starting all over again (what can i say Damn Newbies) and yes i have read over the handbook and even the complete fbsd book... but no matter what i cant get it to work.. 1 more thing the one time i did get X to work... when runnin xf86config my vid card was # 362 which now is 466 how that happen i will never no but thats one of those lovely things about computers i guess.. someone please help me!!!!!!!!! if you need more info just let me no!!!!! like i said before im just a newbie trying to escape from microsoft :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 6:54: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBF537B408 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 06:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brockspc (svcr-adsl-216-37-223-34.epix.net [216.37.223.34]) by lima.epix.net (8.12.1/2001100501/PL) with SMTP id f98DrjhD000929; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005d01c15000$9ea01d40$0500a8c0@brockspc> From: "Brock Kreiser" To: "Claudiu Balogh" Cc: References: <001001c14fbc$485fac00$0500a8c0@brockspc> <006001c14fd4$f3d81410$0901a8c0@claus> Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:53:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey all, sorry for posting in here but many thx for the help and to give you all an update i did get it up and working finaly i upgraded tp the newest vs of X and everything is fine now!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudiu Balogh" To: "Brock Kreiser" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: Re: > Hi, > > It seems to me that XFree86 3.3.6 isn't capable of handling some newer > nVidia cards correctly... I have had exactly the same problem with my > GeForce 256, so I upgraded my X to ver. 4.*. XFree86 ver.4+ is changed in > structure compared to previous versions. It's more modularized and has > support for many newer cards (allegedly the nv4 driver, that I am using with > my card, supports everything through GeForce3, as I remember reading the > documentation for it). Upgrading to XFree86 is very simple, just follow the > readme files and that's all. Everything went perfectly and I am now able to > use my card with whatever resolution I please to. Maybe it's not the best > solution, but it seems to be the simplest. I experiment a lot with FreeBSD, > so I reinstall it very often. I never had a problem with upgrading to the > latest version of XFree86. Maybe there are problems but I didn't notice any. > So jump on the XFree86 ftp site and get the newest version. > > Hope this helps, > Claus. > > P.S. Question: why isn't the latest XFree86 included in FreeBSD 4.4 ? I know > this question should go to freebsd-questions, but since this problem has > come up here I thought I might just ask it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brock Kreiser > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 07:44 > > > Hey all, > > Ok let first state that i am a total newbie to fbsd!!! and also im lovin > it except for X.... I no i gotta be doing something wrong someware but cant > figure it out.... I'm running 4.4R and vs.3.3.6 of X (Gnome with > Enlightment}i got fbsd runnin on a amd 700 with 128megs of ram my vid card > is a Nivida riva TNT2 with 32megs of ram.. My monitor is a gateway ev 500 > horizontal sync range is 31-69 kHz vetical is 50-100.... > i can get x to start but the display is just nasty its either 1 all grey and > no pics or the display pixels are so huge and unclear you cant see anything > at all... > for the vid card selection i tried the nvidia riva tnt2(generic) also tried > the Riva tnt 2 but either way cant get it to work... I did have it working > the first time i ran fbsd but then i messed something up severly and i ended > up formating and starting all over again (what can i say Damn Newbies) and > yes i have read over the handbook and even the complete fbsd book... but no > matter what i cant get it to work.. 1 more thing the one time i did get X to > work... when runnin xf86config my vid card was # 362 which now is 466 how > that happen i will never no but thats one of those lovely things about > computers i guess.. > > someone please help me!!!!!!!!! > > if you need more info just let me no!!!!! like i said before im just a > newbie trying to escape from microsoft :) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 10:33:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07A937B40C for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4067 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3BC1E37F.75AB353@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:33:51 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Spam, spam, eggs, bacon and spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am being deluged by spam. Is this a side effect of being on the mailing list? If so, is there a way to keep the membership lists *private* so as to minimize this intrusion? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 10:37: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B0937B401 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA428B; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:37:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3BC1E440.C96D07BF@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:37:04 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Claudiu Balogh Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: References: <001001c14fbc$485fac00$0500a8c0@brockspc> <006001c14fd4$f3d81410$0901a8c0@claus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Claudiu Balogh wrote: > P.S. Question: why isn't the latest XFree86 included in FreeBSD 4.4 ? I know > this question should go to freebsd-questions, but since this problem has > come up here I thought I might just ask it. But it is! It's just not the default. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 10:49:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bean.epix.net (bean.epix.net [199.224.64.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED11A37B409 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brockspc (svcr-adsl-216-37-223-34.epix.net [216.37.223.34]) by bean.epix.net (8.12.1/2001100501/PL) with SMTP id f98HndaR010908 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002601c15021$92cac670$0500a8c0@brockspc> From: "Brock Kreiser" To: Subject: Fw: spam Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:49:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Duckworth" To: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: Re: spam > Just a to let you all know that it is worth complaining about spam. > > I did so yesterday following some spam I received through freebsd- > questions and today had an email from the .com saying that the > offender has been removed. > > A result :-)) > > Stuart. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 12:45:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from linus.highpoint.edu (linus.highpoint.edu [192.154.46.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2D137B408 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zhartley@localhost) by linus.highpoint.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f98JiDM13416 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:44:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:44:13 -0400 From: Zach Hartley To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spam, spam, eggs, bacon and spam Message-ID: <20011008154413.A13164@linus.highpoint.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3BC1E37F.75AB353@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3BC1E37F.75AB353@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 10:33:51AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not sure, but I think it might have something to do with the cross posting of the newsgroups...just my (probably wrong) theory. Zach Around Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 10:33:51AM -0700, David Johnson said something to the effect of: > I am being deluged by spam. Is this a side effect of being on the > mailing list? If so, is there a way to keep the membership lists > *private* so as to minimize this intrusion? > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Zachary Todd Hartley "Attempted murder. Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?" --Sideshow Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 14: 0: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292EB37B409; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer ([62.253.88.57]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011008205953.HLIQ23687.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@computer>; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:59:53 +0100 Message-ID: <00a201c1503b$dcb7a540$3958fd3e@computer> From: "Kastaki" To: Cc: Subject: XFree86 and Mouse Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:57:36 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have installed FreeBSD 4.3 (intel) on a PIII 1Ghz, 256M Ram. VGA is Intel 810e. I configure Kernel to include AGP, and have managed to set-up my VGA card OK. I then proceeded in installing Xfree86 4.0.3 ok.... I tested my mouse and it works. I went into xf86config and configure my mouse as PS/2 on psm0 - which is correct. When I startx, I get an error that Device psm0 is Busy!!! and thus I am not allowed in to X!! But then, if I go back to xf86config, and start to configure my mouse, and accept the default device, i.e. /dev/Mouse, I can go into startx BUT MY MOUSE WON'T WORK!! I have read all the manuals and spent the whole two days trying all sorts of different things, but I am still unable to understand why the system keeps saying Device Busy!! Please help. Regards Kastaki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 14:41:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from linus.highpoint.edu (linus.highpoint.edu [192.154.46.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8788837B401; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zhartley@localhost) by linus.highpoint.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f98Leat16712; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:40:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:40:36 -0400 From: Zach Hartley To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 and Mouse Message-ID: <20011008174036.A16655@linus.highpoint.edu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <00a201c1503b$dcb7a540$3958fd3e@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00a201c1503b$dcb7a540$3958fd3e@computer>; from kastaki@ganbert.com on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 09:57:36PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While probably not the best solution, I usually disable moused in /etc/rc.conf and that usually stops all the problems X-4.1.0 gives me. HTH Zach Around Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 09:57:36PM +0100, Kastaki said something to the effect of: > I have installed FreeBSD 4.3 (intel) on a PIII 1Ghz, 256M Ram. > VGA is Intel 810e. > > I configure Kernel to include AGP, and have managed to set-up my VGA card > OK. > > I then proceeded in installing Xfree86 4.0.3 ok.... > > I tested my mouse and it works. > > I went into xf86config and configure my mouse as PS/2 on psm0 - which is > correct. > > When I startx, I get an error that Device psm0 is Busy!!! > and thus I am not allowed in to X!! > > But then, if I go back to xf86config, and start to configure my mouse, and > accept the default device, i.e. /dev/Mouse, I can go into startx BUT MY > MOUSE WON'T WORK!! > > I have read all the manuals and spent the whole two days trying all sorts of > different things, but I am still unable to understand why the system keeps > saying Device Busy!! > > Please help. > > Regards > > Kastaki > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Zachary Todd Hartley "Attempted murder. Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?" --Sideshow Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 8 15:52:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ericekong.unixtechs.org (nic-131-c121-79.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.121.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DB137B405; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eric@localhost) by ericekong.unixtechs.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f98ERWb06793; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:27:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:27:32 -0400 From: Eric Ekong To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR Message-ID: <20011008102732.A2330@ericekong.unixtechs.org> Reply-To: Eric Ekong Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <3BB102B3.5965C0B4@digsys.bg> <3BB218E2.27E6B2C5@ntlworld.com> <3BB2B986.4961512E@digsys.bg> <3BB34EAD.565FEB7C@ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3BB34EAD.565FEB7C@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Organization: UNIXTECHS X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.7-12.3mdk i686 up 7 min Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I seen to be having the same problem right now. I have changed the entries in my bios and I am using a very old Pentium II board, from August of 1997. Noiw if you have recompiled the kernel will this cause problems? As I have even gone as far as trying to boot the generic kernel as well. Any ideas where this problem is coming from. I didn't see this problem with 4.3, but I am seeing it with both machines with oddly enough are running freebsd 4.4 Eric * ian j hart [010927 12:07]: > Stoian Mishinev wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > About history: This is second hand PC previously worked with windows, > > but the hard disk is new according to seller :-). > > > > about dmesg: > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > > reserved. > > FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Jun 7 19:49:54 EEST 2001 > > root@gate.bularmex-ik.bg:/usr/src/sys/compile/BularmexIPX > > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 136818836 Hz > > CPU: Pentium/P54C (136.82-MHz 586-class CPU) > > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping = 12 > > Features=0x1bf > > real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) > > avail memory = 28545024 (27876K bytes) > > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0439000. > > Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug > > md0: Malloc disk > > npx0:

on motherboard
> > npx0: INT 16 interface
> > pcib0: on motherboard
> > pci0: on pcib0
> > isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0
> > isa0: on isab0
> > atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1
> > on pci0
> > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
> > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
> > uhci0: port 0x6400-0x641f irq
> > 11 at device 7.2 on pci0
> > usb0: on uhci0
> > usb0: USB revision 1.0
> > uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> > uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> > chip1: port 0x5000-0x500f at
> > device 7.3 on pci0
> > pci0: at 17.0 irq 10
> > rl0: port 0x6c00-0x6cff mem
> > 0xe1001000-0xe10010ff irq 12 at device 18.0 on pci0
> > rl0: Ethernet address: 00:c0:26:10:4e:9a
> > miibus0: on rl0
> > rlphy0: on miibus0
> > rlphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> > an0: port 0x7400-0x743f,0x7000-0x707f mem
> > 0xe1002000-0xe100207f irq 5 at device 19.0 on pci0
> > an0: Ethernet address: 00:40:96:34:c9:40
> > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on
> > isa0
> > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
> > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
> > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
> > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on
> > isa0
> > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0
> > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
> > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
> > sio0: type 16550A
> > sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
> > sio1: type 16550A
> > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
> > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
> > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold
> > ppi0: on ppbus0
> > plip0: on ppbus0
> > lpt0: on ppbus0
> > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> > DUMMYNET initialized (000608)
> > IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding
> > enabled, default to accept, unlimited logging
> > ad0: 4112MB [8912/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33
> > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
> > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
> > ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 139295 retrying
> > ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 519775 retrying
> > ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 519775 retrying
> > rl0: promiscuous mode enabled
> > rl0: promiscuous mode disabled
> > ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 3473959 retrying
> > ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 8321559 retrying
> > ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 8321559 retrying
> > 
> > And this is a part of /var/log/messages:
> > 
> > Sep 27 02:03:51 gate /kernel: ad0: 4112MB [8912/15/63] at
> > ata0-master UDMA33
> > Sep 27 02:03:51 gate /kernel: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
> > Sep 27 02:03:51 gate /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
> > Sep 27 02:03:51 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 139295
> > retrying
> > Sep 27 02:03:51 gate named[125]: starting.  named 8.2.3-T6B Mon Nov 20
> > 11:27:49 GMT 2000
> > Sep 27 02:03:51 gate named[125]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024)
> > Sep 27 02:03:51 gate named[126]: Ready to answer queries.
> > Sep 27 02:03:55 gate ntpd[129]: ntpd 4.0.99b Mon Nov 20 11:27:20 GMT
> > 2000 (1)
> > Sep 27 02:03:55 gate ntpd[129]: using kernel phase-lock loop 2040
> > Sep 27 02:04:02 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 519775
> > retrying
> > Sep 27 02:04:02 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 519775
> > retrying
> > Sep 27 02:04:04 gate /kernel: rl0: promiscuous mode enabled
> > Sep 27 02:04:04 gate arpwatch: fopen(arp.dat): No such file or directory
> > Sep 27 02:04:04 gate /kernel: rl0: promiscuous mode disabled
> > Sep 27 02:04:05 gate squid[232]: Starting Squid Cache version
> > 2.3.STABLE4 for i386--freebsd4.2...
> > Sep 27 02:04:05 gate squid[232]: Process ID 232
> > Sep 27 02:04:05 gate squid[232]: With 1064 file descriptors available
> > 
> > ...............
> > ...............
> > 
> > Sep 27 02:11:47 gate ntpd[129]: kernel pll status change 2041
> > Sep 27 02:58:54 gate ntpd[129]: time reset -0.244426 s
> > Sep 27 07:58:59 gate ntpd[129]: time reset -0.149632 s
> > Sep 27 08:11:54 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 8321559
> > retrying
> > Sep 27 08:11:55 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 8321559
> > retrying
> > Sep 27 08:25:37 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 3470055
> > retrying
> > Sep 27 08:25:38 gate last message repeated 2 times
> > Sep 27 08:25:38 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 3470055
> > falling back to PIO mode
> > 
> > ian j hart wrote:
> > >
> > > Stoian Mishinev wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Can someone tell me wat this mean:
> > > >
> > > > Sep 26 01:11:51 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 135751
> > > > retrying
> > > > Sep 26 01:11:52 gate last message repeated 2 times
> > > > Sep 26 01:11:52 gate /kernel: ad0: UDMA ICRC READ ERROR blk# 135751
> > > > falling back to PIO mode
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Stoain Mishinev
> > > >
> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
> > >
> > > Post the output from dmesg.
> > >
> > > Some history might also be useful. eg recent O/S or hardware
> > > upgrade.
> > >
> > > Did you read any of the threads on this subject? (stable and hardware)
> > >
> > > --
> > > ian j hart
> 
> Open the case and see if you can identify the motherboard. This
> is not always easy, you may end up searching the net for obscure
> numbers. If you can id the M/B look for a BIOS update.
> 
> While you have the case open measure the IDE cable, M/B
> to drive, and check for obvious faults/kinks/whatever. Is the
> drive really hot?
> 
> Consider upgrading to 4.4-RELEASE.
> 
> A _new_ 4Gb drive sounds a tad suspect ;)
> 
> Do the faults go away once the drive is in pio mode?
> 
> -- 
> ian j hart
> 
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On 8 Oct 01, at 10:33, David Johnson wrote:

> I am being deluged by spam. Is this a side effect of being on the
> mailing list? If so, is there a way to keep the membership lists
> *private* so as to minimize this intrusion?
> 

I don't get deluged with spam, though some does get through.  I 
have filters on my email client (Pegasus)to deal with the regular 
ones, and as far as I know the FreeBSD email server operates 
policies that should keep out the worst offenders.

It is worth tracing spammers, I use Sam Spade, and then sending 
a copy of the full email including headers to 
abuse@ with a polite invitation to take 
some action against the spammer.  Most hosts operate anti-
spamming rules.  I have had one spammer's account terminated so 
far this week, if the host is to be believed.  If enough of us take the 
trouble to complain against the spammers, they may take a little 
more care.

Or perhaps I'm an optimist ;-))

By the way, as you may have noticed, I am using Windoze for this 
communication.  I am a hobbyist and am learning FreeBSD on 
another machine.  When I really have the hang of it, I hope to 
transfer my allegiance fully.  Meanwhile, I avoid as much as I can 
using Bill's ghastly wares by using Pegasus, Star Office, Opera etc.

Stuart.


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Hi all,

Maybe it's a stupid question but, when I add the options IPFIREWALL and
IPDIVERT to the kernelconfig an recompile it. Is it normal that I can not
telnet or ping the machine anymore ? Why ?

Thanks,
Jacco


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Jacco wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Maybe it's a stupid question but, when I add the options IPFIREWALL and
> IPDIVERT to the kernelconfig an recompile it. Is it normal that I can not
> telnet or ping the machine anymore ? Why ?

I don't know much at all about firewalls, but I would assume that if you
have set up your machine to be a firewall, but have not configured the
firewall itself, then you would not be able to telnet or ping the
machine from outside the firewall.

I would suggest reading the Handbook about setting up firewalls, and to
direct any specific technical questions about it to freebsd-questions.
Firewalls are a common duty for FreeBSD boxen, so I am very confident
that your answer will be easy to find.

David

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I just heard this today and I thought = it was=20 funny. Why can't computer scientist tell the difference between = Halloween=20 and Christmas?

Answer: Because = 31oct=3D25dec.

(31 in base 8 is equal to 25 in base=20 10).

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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 10: 1:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4544B37B408 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w3099044 (searcher0.enterprise.com[65.197.19.240]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2001101117011820101mfomve>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:01:19 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Thorpe" To: Subject: Re: XFree86 Config Problems Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c15266$692bbb20$2014c90a@w3099044> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I too have a problem similar to Christopher's. I can run X from any user account; however, I can not change the default parameters to the X server. If I pass along the depth parameters as an argument to startx, it runs fine at that color depth. However, my default resolution is always 600x800 and everytime I try to change the configuration file to default to a different resolution, the X server crashes out. I used xf86cfg to configure my script, and vi to edit it. I have a Diamond Speedstar A50 card with a Sony Trinitron CVS(? I am not sure about the letters, I am at work and cannot check)-100 monitor. Both of these are selectable devices in the configuration setup. -Andrew >Huh? I take it wrapper is somehow supposed to help with unprivilidged >users booting X from the startx script, but why is it not installed when >you install X 4.1.0 if it's required for runtime unprivilidged user access? > Also, this still fails to help why my resolution is still defaulting >to 640x480, dispite changes to my XF86Config file that should display >in 1024x768. > >Also, if you read my note, you'll see that I checked Xfree86.org already, >and in fact, the very documents you pointed me to really aren't all that >helpful. Directly quoting the installation notes is the text: > >"The next step is to configure the X server. That is covered in detail >in an as-yet unwritten document :-(. In the meantime, there are three >ways to create a basic X server configuration file for XFree86 4.1.0. >One is to run the xf86config utility. Another is to run the xf86cfg utility. >The third option is to use the new -configure X server option: XFree86 >-configure" > >Doesn't seem exactly helpful, since I already used the -configure way, >as it was recommended in the FreeBSD documentation and worked like a >charm, does it? Any further assistance you could provide would be helpful, >even if just explaining further in detail how Wrapper is supposed to >magically fix my unprivilidged user problem. > >Thanks again! > >Chris ---- Scott Corey wrote: > install wrapper in /usr/ports/x11 dir. > > This program runs an X server after sanity-checking the environment > and any options passed to it. It is meant to enhance security on > multi-user systems running XFree86 4, where the ability to use a > startx script is needed. If you have XFree86 3, do not install > this: you do not need it and it will not work. If you have no > untrusted users or always run the X server from xdm, you do not > need this (in the latter case, just take the suid bit off your X > server). > > Next time you might try looking at xfree86 home page since they are > the > ones responsible for the programs content. > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/index.html > or > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Install.html > > >I'm trying to run XFree86 4.1.0 on FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE 2.2.2. X > seems > >to run correctly under user "root" (which I'm only using for configuration > >purposes), but for some reason, I can't get it to display the screen > >in the 1024x768. I used XFree86 -configure to setup my XF86Config > file > >(Which worked like a charm, configuring my NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX/400 > and > >Monitor settings to the perfect HSYNC and VSYNC settings), and went > back > >in using vi to add DefaultDepth so that it would display in 24-bit > color. > > I also tried adding only "1024x768" to Modes in the 24-bit Color > > Subsection > >under Display, but that didn't seem to help. I really wish they > would > >implement the GUI based setup utility that was in XFree86 3.3.6, > but > >they still haven't done that yet. > > Yes they have it's xf86cfg. > > >Also, for some reason, when I try to start X under my unpriviliged > user > >it fails to load saying something about " 0 not > in > >XAuthority function 'add' or 'list'". I've tried adding the correct > >settings to my .XAuthority file, but it still doesn't seem to want > to > >load. > > > >I'm hopelessly confused about the screen resolution issue, and the > other > >issue with unpriviliged users not being able to boot X is just really > >irritating too. Does anyone have any suggestions? I could really > use > >the help. I've read just about all the useless documentation on > this > >issue as I could find (on Xfree86.org and FreeBSD.org and Daemonnews.com's > >newbie help.) > > >Very Frustrated, > >Chris > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 10:43:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta05.onebox.com (mta05.onebox.com [64.68.77.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772B437B405 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from onebox.com ([10.1.101.8]) by mta05.onebox.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20011011174313.LTMU306.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:43:13 -0700 Received: from [199.186.63.171] by onebox.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:43:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:43:13 -0400 Subject: Re: XFree86 Config Problems From: "Christopher T. Jewett" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20011011174313.LTMU306.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doubt it is at all helpful, but my monitor is also a Sony Trinitron Based monitor. It's a Dell P780. Andy: Did you just use the Modes "" Screen Subsection to change your resolution? At least yours is crashing out. That seems like progress compared to mine completely ignoring the Modes setting (Which I have set to 1024x768, yet it still displays in 640x480.) Thanks! Chris ---- "Andrew Thorpe" wrote: > I too have a problem similar to Christopher's. I can run X from any > user > account; however, I can not change the default parameters to the X > server. > If I pass along the depth parameters as an argument to startx, it runs > fine > at that color depth. However, my default resolution is always 600x800 > and > everytime I try to change the configuration file to default to a different > resolution, the X server crashes out. I used xf86cfg to configure my > script, > and vi to edit it. I have a Diamond Speedstar A50 card with a Sony > Trinitron > CVS(? I am not sure about the letters, I am at work and cannot check)-100 > monitor. Both of these are selectable devices in the configuration > setup. > > -Andrew > > >Huh? I take it wrapper is somehow supposed to help with unprivilidged > >users booting X from the startx script, but why is it not installed > when > >you install X 4.1.0 if it's required for runtime unprivilidged user > access? > > Also, this still fails to help why my resolution is still defaulting > >to 640x480, dispite changes to my XF86Config file that should display > >in 1024x768. > > > >Also, if you read my note, you'll see that I checked Xfree86.org already, > >and in fact, the very documents you pointed me to really aren't all > that > >helpful. Directly quoting the installation notes is the text: > > > >"The next step is to configure the X server. That is covered in detail > >in an as-yet unwritten document :-(. In the meantime, there are three > >ways to create a basic X server configuration file for XFree86 4.1.0. > >One is to run the xf86config utility. Another is to run the xf86cfg > utility. > >The third option is to use the new -configure X server option: XFree86 > >-configure" > > > >Doesn't seem exactly helpful, since I already used the -configure > way, > >as it was recommended in the FreeBSD documentation and worked like > a > >charm, does it? Any further assistance you could provide would be > helpful, > >even if just explaining further in detail how Wrapper is supposed > to > >magically fix my unprivilidged user problem. > > > >Thanks again! > > > >Chris > > ---- Scott Corey wrote: > > install wrapper in /usr/ports/x11 dir. > > > > This program runs an X server after sanity-checking the environment > > and any options passed to it. It is meant to enhance security on > > multi-user systems running XFree86 4, where the ability to use a > > startx script is needed. If you have XFree86 3, do not install > > this: you do not need it and it will not work. If you have no > > untrusted users or always run the X server from xdm, you do not > > need this (in the latter case, just take the suid bit off your X > > server). > > > > Next time you might try looking at xfree86 home page since they are > > the > > ones responsible for the programs content. > > > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/index.html > > or > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Install.html > > > > >I'm trying to run XFree86 4.1.0 on FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE 2.2.2. > X > > seems > > >to run correctly under user "root" (which I'm only using for > configuration > > >purposes), but for some reason, I can't get it to display the screen > > >in the 1024x768. I used XFree86 -configure to setup my XF86Config > > file > > >(Which worked like a charm, configuring my NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX/400 > > and > > >Monitor settings to the perfect HSYNC and VSYNC settings), and > went > > back > > >in using vi to add DefaultDepth so that it would display in 24-bit > > color. > > > I also tried adding only "1024x768" to Modes in the 24-bit Color > > > > Subsection > > >under Display, but that didn't seem to help. I really wish they > > would > > >implement the GUI based setup utility that was in XFree86 3.3.6, > > but > > >they still haven't done that yet. > > > > Yes they have it's xf86cfg. > > > > >Also, for some reason, when I try to start X under my unpriviliged > > user > > >it fails to load saying something about " 0 > not > > in > > >XAuthority function 'add' or 'list'". I've tried adding the correct > > >settings to my .XAuthority file, but it still doesn't seem to want > > to > > >load. > > > > > > >I'm hopelessly confused about the screen resolution issue, and > the > > other > > >issue with unpriviliged users not being able to boot X is just > really > > >irritating too. Does anyone have any suggestions? I could really > > use > > >the help. I've read just about all the useless documentation on > > this > > >issue as I could find (on Xfree86.org and FreeBSD.org and > Daemonnews.com's > > >newbie help.) > > > > >Very Frustrated, > > >Chris > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 10:51:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE98137B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA26E1; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:51:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3BC5DC22.E20981F1@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:51:30 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kastaki Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MODEM & THE COMPLETE FREEBSD References: <003401c15122$c4b63d20$2260ff3e@computer> <000901c1519c$a7845460$0901a8c0@claus> <014201c15260$6bf15280$5560ff3e@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kastaki wrote: > The first few chapters are good in installing the OS, but the author needs > to understand that most readers (like me) are coming from other platforms. The target audience for the book is not the newbie. It may be geared towards those new to FreeBSD, but it is not geared towards those new to Unix, Unix-like systems, and the intricacies of hardware. In short, it is an "advanced" book on FreeBSD. > I still like to know a simple fact - why is it impossible for FreeBSD to > work with Internal Modems (especially WinModems). For the same reason it's nearly impossible to any non-Windows system to work with WinModems. (FreeBSD has no problems with internal *component* modems). WinModems are lobotomized devices. You don't want them EVEN IF you are using Windows. All of the functions you normally think a modern modem performing are not performed in the hardware, but in software. (Imagine if your FPU (floating point unit) on your CPU did nothing at all except forward all instructions to a software floating point emulator). WinModems are one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated by the computer industry. The only reason they can legally get away with selling is because technically they are still MOdulators/DEModulators. The situation would be similar to a video card manufacturer shipping a "3D Enhanced Graphics" card and running all 3D rendering in software. (sorry for the rant, winmodems are one of my pet peeves) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 11: 3:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FCE37B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w3099044 (searcher0.enterprise.com[65.197.19.240]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20011011180336202030h682e>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:03:36 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Thorpe" To: Subject: RE: XFree86 Config Problems Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:09:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c1526f$1d4393a0$2014c90a@w3099044> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011011174313.LTMU306.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris: (Not to be anal, but could you please refrain from calling me Andy, I dislike that name with a passion. Drew or Andrew will suffice. Sorry.) When I ran xf86cfg I tried numerous times to select my own defaultresolutions and desired resolutions. The server would keep crashing, or it would hang. So, after a while, I let FreeBSD probe my card for desired resolutions and tried choosing resolutions off of that. Still, the server would crash out or hang. Plus the color depth was only like 8 bit. After several failed attempts with that. I backed up the config file and tried to manually edit default color depths and resolutions, still no luck. I finally let FreeBSD pick a default resolution and depth for me (xf86cfg) and then I read the FreeBSD Handbook (4.3) section on X windows and started to pass the depth parameters I wanted as an argument to startx (it was something like 'startx -24b', I don't exactly remember the actual command, but it is also in the man page for startx). Now by passing the argument to the command, I can get the X server to run in a different color depth, but it still defaults to 600x800 resolution. I have not yet found information that allows me to pass the resolution as an argument. I think I can make this process easier, by just aliasing 'startx' to 'startx -24b'. But this still does not solve my resolution problem. I find this odd, because my video card and monitor run fine through the X server under Linux. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher T. Jewett [mailto:ctjewett@onebox.com] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:43 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 Config Problems Doubt it is at all helpful, but my monitor is also a Sony Trinitron Based monitor. It's a Dell P780. Andy: Did you just use the Modes "" Screen Subsection to change your resolution? At least yours is crashing out. That seems like progress compared to mine completely ignoring the Modes setting (Which I have set to 1024x768, yet it still displays in 640x480.) Thanks! Chris ---- "Andrew Thorpe" wrote: > I too have a problem similar to Christopher's. I can run X from any > user > account; however, I can not change the default parameters to the X > server. > If I pass along the depth parameters as an argument to startx, it runs > fine > at that color depth. However, my default resolution is always 600x800 > and > everytime I try to change the configuration file to default to a different > resolution, the X server crashes out. I used xf86cfg to configure my > script, > and vi to edit it. I have a Diamond Speedstar A50 card with a Sony > Trinitron > CVS(? I am not sure about the letters, I am at work and cannot check)-100 > monitor. Both of these are selectable devices in the configuration > setup. > > -Andrew > > >Huh? I take it wrapper is somehow supposed to help with unprivilidged > >users booting X from the startx script, but why is it not installed > when > >you install X 4.1.0 if it's required for runtime unprivilidged user > access? > > Also, this still fails to help why my resolution is still defaulting > >to 640x480, dispite changes to my XF86Config file that should display > >in 1024x768. > > > >Also, if you read my note, you'll see that I checked Xfree86.org already, > >and in fact, the very documents you pointed me to really aren't all > that > >helpful. Directly quoting the installation notes is the text: > > > >"The next step is to configure the X server. That is covered in detail > >in an as-yet unwritten document :-(. In the meantime, there are three > >ways to create a basic X server configuration file for XFree86 4.1.0. > >One is to run the xf86config utility. Another is to run the xf86cfg > utility. > >The third option is to use the new -configure X server option: XFree86 > >-configure" > > > >Doesn't seem exactly helpful, since I already used the -configure > way, > >as it was recommended in the FreeBSD documentation and worked like > a > >charm, does it? Any further assistance you could provide would be > helpful, > >even if just explaining further in detail how Wrapper is supposed > to > >magically fix my unprivilidged user problem. > > > >Thanks again! > > > >Chris > > ---- Scott Corey wrote: > > install wrapper in /usr/ports/x11 dir. > > > > This program runs an X server after sanity-checking the environment > > and any options passed to it. It is meant to enhance security on > > multi-user systems running XFree86 4, where the ability to use a > > startx script is needed. If you have XFree86 3, do not install > > this: you do not need it and it will not work. If you have no > > untrusted users or always run the X server from xdm, you do not > > need this (in the latter case, just take the suid bit off your X > > server). > > > > Next time you might try looking at xfree86 home page since they are > > the > > ones responsible for the programs content. > > > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/index.html > > or > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Install.html > > > > >I'm trying to run XFree86 4.1.0 on FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE 2.2.2. > X > > seems > > >to run correctly under user "root" (which I'm only using for > configuration > > >purposes), but for some reason, I can't get it to display the screen > > >in the 1024x768. I used XFree86 -configure to setup my XF86Config > > file > > >(Which worked like a charm, configuring my NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX/400 > > and > > >Monitor settings to the perfect HSYNC and VSYNC settings), and > went > > back > > >in using vi to add DefaultDepth so that it would display in 24-bit > > color. > > > I also tried adding only "1024x768" to Modes in the 24-bit Color > > > > Subsection > > >under Display, but that didn't seem to help. I really wish they > > would > > >implement the GUI based setup utility that was in XFree86 3.3.6, > > but > > >they still haven't done that yet. > > > > Yes they have it's xf86cfg. > > > > >Also, for some reason, when I try to start X under my unpriviliged > > user > > >it fails to load saying something about " 0 > not > > in > > >XAuthority function 'add' or 'list'". I've tried adding the correct > > >settings to my .XAuthority file, but it still doesn't seem to want > > to > > >load. > > > > > > >I'm hopelessly confused about the screen resolution issue, and > the > > other > > >issue with unpriviliged users not being able to boot X is just > really > > >irritating too. Does anyone have any suggestions? I could really > > use > > >the help. I've read just about all the useless documentation on > > this > > >issue as I could find (on Xfree86.org and FreeBSD.org and > Daemonnews.com's > > >newbie help.) > > > > >Very Frustrated, > > >Chris > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 11:11:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5382F37B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA35E1; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:11:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3BC5E0E5.7F8510FE@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:11:49 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: athorpe@erac.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 Config Problems References: <000101c1526f$1d4393a0$2014c90a@w3099044> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Thorpe wrote: > > I find this odd, because my > video card and monitor run fine through the X server under Linux. If you are using the same version of XFree86 on both Linux and FreeBSD, then you problem is nearly solved! Just take your XF86Config from Linux, fix the paths and the mouse driver, and you should be set. Make sure you have the same servers installed and that 'X' is linked to the correct one. Unless you have SuSE, which often ships with experimental servers, there should be little difference between the two. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 11:44: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1399937B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w3099044 (searcher0.enterprise.com[65.197.19.240]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <200110111843512020294qdne>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:43:51 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Thorpe" To: Subject: RE: XFree86 Config Problems Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:49:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c15274$bc75b840$2014c90a@w3099044> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011011182647.MSPL306.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris, Don't worry about the name thing, you didn't know. Anyways, I don't remember what the error message said. I could find out but not right now. I do remember though, that it was something to the effect of the fact that the default parameters that I entered were not what the system expected to find in the config file. EX: In the default setting depth, I replaced 8 bit with 24 bit and in the default resolutions, I replaced "640x480, 800x600, 1024x768" to read "800x600" and then "800x600, 640x480, 1024x768". By the way, I just realized that I have misinformed you. The problem is not that the X server defaults to 800x600, the problem is that it defaults to 640x480 (800x600 would be ideal). Sorry for the confusion. Also, I read that once the X server is loaded, you can change the resolution by pressing (Alt?)and + or - accordingly. I tried this and it did not seem to work. I can get decent color depth, but I cannot get resolution better than 640x480. -Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Christopher T. Jewett [mailto:ctjewett@onebox.com] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:27 PM To: athorpe@erac.com Subject: RE: XFree86 Config Problems Just a quick apology on the name bit. I should have checked how you signed your name. ;-) > When I ran xf86cfg I tried numerous times to select my own > defaultresolutions and desired resolutions. The server would keep crashing, > or it would hang. So, after a while, I let FreeBSD probe my card for > desired > resolutions and tried choosing resolutions off of that. Still, the > server > would crash out or hang. Plus the color depth was only like 8 bit. By any chance did you happen to catch the error message when it crashes out? It will crash out if it doesn't recognize a command in the XF86Config file. (Hopefully they'll change this in a future version so it just ignores unreconized commands.) Did you see that you could actually change your default resolution any place? Apparently modes doesn't work, even though it SHOULD. :-p > After several failed attempts with that. I backed up the config file > and > tried to manually edit default color depths and resolutions, still > no luck. > I finally let FreeBSD pick a default resolution and depth for me (xf86cfg) > and then I read the FreeBSD Handbook (4.3) section on X windows and > started > to pass the depth parameters I wanted as an argument to startx (it > was > something like 'startx -24b', I don't exactly remember the actual command, > but it is also in the man page for startx). Now by passing the argument > to > the command, I can get the X server to run in a different color depth, > but > it still defaults to 600x800 resolution. I have not yet found information > that allows me to pass the resolution as an argument. I think I can > make > this process easier, by just aliasing 'startx' to 'startx -24b'. But > this > still does not solve my resolution problem. I find this odd, because > my > video card and monitor run fine through the X server under Linux. As I said before, I don't seem to have any trouble with the bit-depth. A quick "DefaultDepth 24" seemed to fix that in a jiffy. Also, it should be noted that I've had a successful install with Linux and also XFree86 3.3.6 under FreeBSD 4.2 and 4.3. I really don't understand why the problems with XF86-4. :-( Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher T. Jewett [mailto:ctjewett@onebox.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:43 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: XFree86 Config Problems > > > Doubt it is at all helpful, but my monitor is also a Sony Trinitron > Based > monitor. It's a Dell P780. > > Andy: Did you just use the Modes "" Screen Subsection > to change your resolution? At least yours is crashing out. That seems > like progress compared to mine completely ignoring the Modes setting > (Which I have set to 1024x768, yet it still displays in 640x480.) > > Thanks! > > Chris > > > ---- "Andrew Thorpe" wrote: > > I too have a problem similar to Christopher's. I can run X from any > > user > > account; however, I can not change the default parameters to the > X > > server. > > If I pass along the depth parameters as an argument to startx, it > runs > > fine > > at that color depth. However, my default resolution is always 600x800 > > and > > everytime I try to change the configuration file to default to a > different > > resolution, the X server crashes out. I used xf86cfg to configure > my > > script, > > and vi to edit it. I have a Diamond Speedstar A50 card with a Sony > > Trinitron > > CVS(? I am not sure about the letters, I am at work and cannot check)-100 > > monitor. Both of these are selectable devices in the configuration > > setup. > > > > -Andrew > > > > >Huh? I take it wrapper is somehow supposed to help with unprivilidged > > >users booting X from the startx script, but why is it not installed > > when > > >you install X 4.1.0 if it's required for runtime unprivilidged user > > access? > > > Also, this still fails to help why my resolution is still defaulting > > >to 640x480, dispite changes to my XF86Config file that should display > > >in 1024x768. > > > > > >Also, if you read my note, you'll see that I checked Xfree86.org > already, > > >and in fact, the very documents you pointed me to really aren't > all > > that > > >helpful. Directly quoting the installation notes is the text: > > > > > >"The next step is to configure the X server. That is covered in > detail > > >in an as-yet unwritten document :-(. In the meantime, there are > three > > >ways to create a basic X server configuration file for XFree86 4.1.0. > > >One is to run the xf86config utility. Another is to run the xf86cfg > > utility. > > >The third option is to use the new -configure X server option: > XFree86 > > >-configure" > > > > > >Doesn't seem exactly helpful, since I already used the -configure > > way, > > >as it was recommended in the FreeBSD documentation and worked like > > a > > >charm, does it? Any further assistance you could provide would > be > > helpful, > > >even if just explaining further in detail how Wrapper is supposed > > to > > >magically fix my unprivilidged user problem. > > > > > >Thanks again! > > > > > >Chris > > > > ---- Scott Corey wrote: > > > install wrapper in /usr/ports/x11 dir. > > > > > > This program runs an X server after sanity-checking the environment > > > and any options passed to it. It is meant to enhance security > on > > > multi-user systems running XFree86 4, where the ability to use > a > > > startx script is needed. If you have XFree86 3, do not install > > > this: you do not need it and it will not work. If you have no > > > untrusted users or always run the X server from xdm, you do not > > > need this (in the latter case, just take the suid bit off your > X > > > server). > > > > > > Next time you might try looking at xfree86 home page since they > are > > > the > > > ones responsible for the programs content. > > > > > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/index.html > > > or > > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Install.html > > > > > > >I'm trying to run XFree86 4.1.0 on FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE 2.2.2. > > X > > > seems > > > >to run correctly under user "root" (which I'm only using for > > configuration > > > >purposes), but for some reason, I can't get it to display the > screen > > > >in the 1024x768. I used XFree86 -configure to setup my XF86Config > > > file > > > >(Which worked like a charm, configuring my NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX/400 > > > and > > > >Monitor settings to the perfect HSYNC and VSYNC settings), and > > went > > > back > > > >in using vi to add DefaultDepth so that it would display in 24-bit > > > color. > > > > I also tried adding only "1024x768" to Modes in the 24-bit Color > > > > > > Subsection > > > >under Display, but that didn't seem to help. I really wish they > > > would > > > >implement the GUI based setup utility that was in XFree86 3.3.6, > > > but > > > >they still haven't done that yet. > > > > > > Yes they have it's xf86cfg. > > > > > > >Also, for some reason, when I try to start X under my unpriviliged > > > user > > > >it fails to load saying something about " > 0 > > not > > > in > > > >XAuthority function 'add' or 'list'". I've tried adding the > correct > > > >settings to my .XAuthority file, but it still doesn't seem to > want > > > to > > > >load. > > > > > > > > > >I'm hopelessly confused about the screen resolution issue, and > > the > > > other > > > >issue with unpriviliged users not being able to boot X is just > > really > > > >irritating too. Does anyone have any suggestions? I could really > > > use > > > >the help. I've read just about all the useless documentation > on > > > this > > > >issue as I could find (on Xfree86.org and FreeBSD.org and > > Daemonnews.com's > > > >newbie help.) > > > > > > >Very Frustrated, > > > >Chris > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. > Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 12:25:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.pace.edu (ntutil.pace.edu [205.232.111.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEEF37B406; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stmail.pace.edu (205.232.111.7) by smtp.pace.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.A8E62D3C@smtp.pace.edu>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:25:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:25:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200110111525.AA1671037056@stmail.pace.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Jonathan Slivko" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Cc: Subject: 4.4-RELEASE: X-Kernel-Developer Install (X-Windows portion) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I was trying to install FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE under an Intel Celeron 300Mhz w/ a 2GB HD, under a "X-Kern-Developer" install. However, when the installation was finished, it omitted several portions, namely GNOME, as I had requested. I have attempted to install GNOME manually from /stand/sysinstall, which worked. However, the question is: 1) Why didn't it work the 1st time? (the first time, it didn't even install X Windows at all) 2) How much space is needed to do a successful install of 4.4-RELEASE with a 2GB partition (1.6GB of which is dedicated to /usr). A speedy response would be appreciated. Also, please cc: demus78@ntlworld.com, as he is having the same issue I am. -- Jonathan M. Slivko -- Jonathan M. Slivko Microsoft -- is that some kind of toilet paper? __________________________________________________________________ ____ Sent via the Pace University Mail system at stmail.pace.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 12:49:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7526C37B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w3099044 (searcher0.enterprise.com[65.197.19.240]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2001101119490320404qe4jje>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:49:04 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Thorpe" To: Cc: Subject: RE: 4.4-RELEASE: X-Kernel-Developer Install (X-Windows portion) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c1527d$d8f4dc40$2014c90a@w3099044> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200110111525.AA1671037056@stmail.pace.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan and Demus78: 1.6GB should be sufficient disk space. When I first installed, I didn't even get X windows. After you select the installation class, when it asks you to choose your packages, double-check to see if Gnome is selected by default. I knbow that some things you would expect to be (bash, python) are not automatically installed. Chances are someone has a better explanation/reason than I do, but this seems like a good place to start. -Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Slivko [mailto:js43064n@pace.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:25 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: demus78@ntlworld.com Subject: 4.4-RELEASE: X-Kernel-Developer Install (X-Windows portion) Hello, I was trying to install FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE under an Intel Celeron 300Mhz w/ a 2GB HD, under a "X-Kern-Developer" install. However, when the installation was finished, it omitted several portions, namely GNOME, as I had requested. I have attempted to install GNOME manually from /stand/sysinstall, which worked. However, the question is: 1) Why didn't it work the 1st time? (the first time, it didn't even install X Windows at all) 2) How much space is needed to do a successful install of 4.4-RELEASE with a 2GB partition (1.6GB of which is dedicated to /usr). A speedy response would be appreciated. Also, please cc: demus78@ntlworld.com, as he is having the same issue I am. -- Jonathan M. Slivko -- Jonathan M. Slivko Microsoft -- is that some kind of toilet paper? __________________________________________________________________ ____ Sent via the Pace University Mail system at stmail.pace.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 13:37:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from isua2.iastate.edu (isua2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1ED37B405 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (legg@localhost) by isua2.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16921 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:37:26 -0500 (CDT) From: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4.3-RELEASE Security Issues In-Reply-To: <200110111525.AA1671037056@stmail.pace.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just last week, After only being up for 80 minutes, my machine was vandalized all the way from Romania, before I disabled telnetd as recommended by: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-01:49.telnetd.v1.1.asc I am not sure how this person got in, as my logs were deleted, but I am guessing it was through the telnetd vulnerability. I had to reinstall. Other than disabling this service, are there any other holes that a box on the network may be vurnerable to? Right now I just got reinstalled, and I have been online only long enough to test my network. Afraid to get back on the network now. Timothy D Legg legg@iastate.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 13:49:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nortenet.pt (mar.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C7637B407 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nortenet.pt (v1-pppS42.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.42]) by mail.nortenet.pt (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9BKjQ221843; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:45:27 +0100 Message-ID: <3BC606DA.C8C6A816@nortenet.pt> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:53:46 +0100 From: Guilherme Oliveira Organization: Host-Valley.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i586) X-Accept-Language: pt, pt-BR, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: legg@iastate.edu Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE Security Issues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why don't you cvsup to RELENG_4, comment inetd and configure ssh ?! []'s -- mailto:guilherme@nortenet.pt || http://www.nortenet.pt/~guilherme To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 13:51:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nortenet.pt (mar.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40CD37B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nortenet.pt (v1-pppS42.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.42]) by mail.nortenet.pt (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9BKmA222098; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <3BC6077F.2A2D8F98@nortenet.pt> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:56:31 +0100 From: Guilherme Oliveira Organization: Host-Valley.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i586) X-Accept-Language: pt, pt-BR, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: legg@iastate.edu, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE Security Issues References: <3BC606DA.C8C6A816@nortenet.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guilherme Oliveira wrote: > > Why don't you cvsup to RELENG_4, comment inetd and configure ssh ?! A mistake: " ... comment telnetd ... " -- mailto:guilherme@nortenet.pt || http://www.nortenet.pt/~guilherme To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 13:54: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F048E37B408 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2973; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:54:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3BC606EA.F9001C44@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:54:02 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: legg@iastate.edu Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE Security Issues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org legg@iastate.edu wrote: > I am not sure how this person got in, as my logs were deleted, but I am > guessing it was through the telnetd vulnerability. I had to reinstall. > Other than disabling this service, are there any other holes that a box on > the network may be vurnerable to? There's always holes. The problem with securing only the known holes is that you think you got them all, when the unknown holes are just as bad. If you do not need to access your machine remotely, then it's not that hard to lock down fairly solid. Just turn all services off, deny anything not local, and uninstall anything you don't use. Read the security section of the Handbook. If you do need to access your machine remotely, then you'll have a lot more work to do. There's a lot of security related information out there, so make good use of it. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 14:12:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.x2ti.com (w082.z064002097.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.97.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 346B537B409 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([]) by mail.x2ti.com (MERAK 3.00.120) with ESMTP id ADC36828 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:12:18 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: test23423@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Perl+Mail::Sender 0.7.08 by Jan Krynicky Subject: Protect yourself ! Message-Id: <20011011211224.346B537B409@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When was the last tragedy you were involved in? 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Click HERE for more info : http://www.life-protect.com/partner.cgi?Partner=1011 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 14:12:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from isua2.iastate.edu (isua2.iastate.edu [129.186.1.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A361F37B407 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (legg@localhost) by isua2.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22214 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:12:53 -0500 (CDT) From: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE Security Issues In-Reply-To: <3BC6077F.2A2D8F98@nortenet.pt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, is it incredibly difficult to upgrade to 4.4? What .conf files are overwritten (if any)? I installed 4.3 from a CD Timothy D Legg legg@iastate.edu On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Guilherme Oliveira wrote: > Guilherme Oliveira wrote: > > > > Why don't you cvsup to RELENG_4, comment inetd and configure ssh ?! > > A mistake: " ... comment telnetd ... " > > -- > mailto:guilherme@nortenet.pt || http://www.nortenet.pt/~guilherme > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 15:15: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3DC37B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17034; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: David Johnson Cc: Kastaki , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MODEM & THE COMPLETE FREEBSD In-Reply-To: <3BC5DC22.E20981F1@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, David Johnson wrote: > Kastaki wrote: > > > The first few chapters are good in installing the OS, but the author needs > > to understand that most readers (like me) are coming from other platforms. > > The target audience for the book is not the newbie. It may be geared > towards those new to FreeBSD, but it is not geared towards those new to > Unix, Unix-like systems, and the intricacies of hardware. In short, it > is an "advanced" book on FreeBSD. > > > I still like to know a simple fact - why is it impossible for FreeBSD to > > work with Internal Modems (especially WinModems). > > For the same reason it's nearly impossible to any non-Windows system to > work with WinModems. (FreeBSD has no problems with internal *component* > modems). > > WinModems are lobotomized devices. You don't want them EVEN IF you are > using Windows. All of the functions you normally think a modern modem > performing are not performed in the hardware, but in software. (Imagine > if your FPU (floating point unit) on your CPU did nothing at all except > forward all instructions to a software floating point emulator). > > WinModems are one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated by the > computer industry. The only reason they can legally get away with > selling is because technically they are still MOdulators/DEModulators. > The situation would be similar to a video card manufacturer shipping a > "3D Enhanced Graphics" card and running all 3D rendering in software. > > (sorry for the rant, winmodems are one of my pet peeves) > Someone asked me how one determines whether or not one has a winmodem. (Macs sometimes have the equivalent of winmodems also.) Of course they don't work, but the user doesn't know for sure whether it's because it's a winmodem or because ppp or whatever is not properly set up--and thus doesn't know whether or not to give up. I also know of no question I can ask a sales person that they have a chance of answering to determine whether the modem in a laptop is a "winmodem." Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 15:30:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3463C37B401 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17056; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Bzdik BSD Cc: Piet Delport , Kastaki , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NEWBIE In-Reply-To: <20011011143621.82172.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Bzdik BSD wrote: > I can highly recommend "Think Unix" also. I would also recommend the > 4.3 release instead of 4.4 for a newbie because the latter is a bit > non-conventional : tools are missing, not all shells in post > install, etc. The ISO now on the servers (September 22) has the tools directory, as does the mini-ISO. (Not packages and probably not X either.) > This makes Ms Anderson's book a very good choice it has the CD > included. The book works with 4.4 also (not much is different except the installation keystrokes, where you need often to Tab to get to the OK box because Enter toggles the [x]. But 4.4 has the advantage of an updated cvsup (post September 9) and one way or another you need to install an updated cvsup. All versions of cvsup and cvsup-bin (which no longer exists) before midday September 9 have a bug that showed up on that date. Up-to-date servers will reject you if you have an old cvsup. > If you use Greg's book, keep in mind there's a typo on page 164 that > can make you locked out slightly: > > page 164, where it shows the adduser procedure, line that says : > "Invite yana into other groups: no" > > this "no" is done in bold in his book, which suggests user's input, and > if you type it, you won't be able to type "wheel". You can fix it later > though editing /etc/group file. > > three more editions and they will fix it. > Annelise P.S. This book really is for users new to both FreeBSD and UNIX in general. -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 15:35:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ocis.ocis.net (ocis.ocis.net [209.52.173.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA8A37B401 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkside (dial-209.ocis.net [209.52.174.160]) by ocis.ocis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09671; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:35:19 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: Guilherme Oliveira , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:24:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE Security Issues Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <3BC5B9BA.12075.8FAE7B6@localhost> In-reply-to: <3BC606DA.C8C6A816@nortenet.pt> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v4.0, beta 40) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Why don't you cvsup to RELENG_4, comment inetd and configure ssh ?! Better yet, cvsup to RELENG_4_3 (for 4.3 + security fixes) or RELENG_4_4 (for 4.4 + security fixes). No sense going straight to -stable unless you *really* know what you are doing, and are an active follower of the -stable list. Cheers, Freddie fcash@bigfoot.com Linux is for people who hate Windows. FreeBSD is for people that like UNIX. -- unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 15:47:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtpmail2.iol.cz (smtp.iol.cz [194.228.2.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEDA37B401 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i4s2m8 ([194.228.159.151]) by smtpmail2.iol.cz (InterMail vK.4.03.04.00 201-232-130 license ecdb4fb0a79f435be57865f95e56c338) with SMTP id <20011011224242.SQWS5952.smtpmail2@i4s2m8> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:42:42 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-2?B?REogVHLhdmE=?=" To: Subject: Help Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:42:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could you tell me how to download FreeBSD?I don't now it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 15:56:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDAC37B409 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA397; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3BC6238A.C3A8229@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:56:10 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MODEM & THE COMPLETE FREEBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Annelise Anderson wrote: > Someone asked me how one determines whether or not one has a winmodem. > (Macs sometimes have the equivalent of winmodems also.) Of course > they don't work, but the user doesn't know for sure whether it's > because it's a winmodem or because ppp or whatever is not properly > set up--and thus doesn't know whether or not to give up. It's getting harder and harder to know. But there are a few of rules of thumb: 1) If the modem box says it will work with DOS, then it is a component modem. Since few people use DOS anymore, it is becoming rare to see this. Note that there are a few "linmodems" out there, which are winmodems with Linux software. So it's still risky to trust even a modem that says "Linux". 2) Since winmodems need software, check with the manufacturer for software updates or fixes. If there are, then it is a winmodem. If you have the floppy/cd that comes with the modem, see if it actually has software in it, or merely configuration settings for Windows. If it is just configuration settings, then it is a component modem. 3) If you have an external modem, then you are safe. If you are shopping for a modem, then get an external for the extra $40. It's well worth it, even for Windows users. > I also know of no question I can ask a sales person that they have a > chance of answering to determine whether the modem in a laptop is a > "winmodem." If you ask a knowledgable salesperson they would know. Unfortunately, finding a knowledgable salesperson is as difficult as finding a component modem :-( One thing I have told people to do is to simply demand a refund or replacement for winmodems. It won't work everytime, but I've seen it work often enough, even with the big box stores like Best Buy. Escalate the issue up to managers and vice presidents if you have to. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 17:39:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75F1C37B405 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host62-6-93-217.dialup.lineone.co.uk (HELO jmdoliv) (62.6.93.217) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 00:39:32 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: David Johnson Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:38:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MODEM & THE COMPLETE FREEBSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3BC4F823.27706.4BF6B2@localhost> In-reply-to: <3BC6238A.C3A8229@acuson.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 0100,0100,0100as a tech support person for a communications software corp I figured I could add some input here: hardware modems CAN have software updates too - new or newer hardware internal or external modems often have flash upgradeable ROM chips (just like motherboards)0100,0100,0100, for example to add v90 or v92 code to a chip that didn't have it before - and drivers get updated too, just like for virtually any kind of hardware like better video or soundcard drivers, so basing a decision about a modem being hardware or winNodem just on whether it has software upgrades may not always give you an accurate answer the bottom line always has to be knowing which chipset is in the card or box, assuming you can obtain that information before committing to a purchase - if it's internal then taking it out of the package and looking at the numbers on the card's main semiconductor chip should be enough, otherwise looking up the model on the maker's website should usually get the information you need once you know the chipset, you need to reference that information, either on the makers' website or on an enthusiast site, which will probably work out quicker - one of the best sites I know for tracking down chipset information or driver downloads is www.modem-help.freeserve.co.uk I dont think i have found one modem yet which didnt have its chipset listed there and the information always includes whether the device is hardware or software. Lately there is also often information about if there is a Linux driver, which COULD help you get an otherwise useless winmodem running in fbsd - i dont write drivers myself, but I can only guess adapting a Linux driver would be a whole lot closer to success than starting off with a Windows dll or vxd file (WITHOUT the damn source code!) hope this helps Mark, J Dupoux jmdupx@yahoo.com On 11 Oct 2001, at 15:56, David Johnson wrote: 7F00,0000,0000> Annelise Anderson wrote: > > > Someone asked me how one determines whether or not one has a > > winmodem. (Macs sometimes have the equivalent of winmodems also.) > > Of course they don't work, but the user doesn't know for sure > > whether it's because it's a winmodem or because ppp or whatever is > > not properly set up--and thus doesn't know whether or not to give > > up. > > It's getting harder and harder to know. But there are a few of rules > of thumb: > > 1) If the modem box says it will work with DOS, then it is a component > modem. Since few people use DOS anymore, it is becoming rare to see > this. Note that there are a few "linmodems" out there, which are > winmodems with Linux software. So it's still risky to trust even a > modem that says "Linux". > > 2) Since winmodems need software, check with the manufacturer for > software updates or fixes. If there are, then it is a winmodem. If you > have the floppy/cd that comes with the modem, see if it actually has > software in it, or merely configuration settings for Windows. If it is > just configuration settings, then it is a component modem. > > 3) If you have an external modem, then you are safe. If you are > shopping for a modem, then get an external for the extra $40. It's > well worth it, even for Windows users. > > > I also know of no question I can ask a sales person that they have a > > chance of answering to determine whether the modem in a laptop is a > > "winmodem." > > If you ask a knowledgable salesperson they would know. Unfortunately, > finding a knowledgable salesperson is as difficult as finding a > component modem :-( > > One thing I have told people to do is to simply demand a refund or > replacement for winmodems. It won't work everytime, but I've seen it > work often enough, even with the big box stores like Best Buy. > Escalate the issue up to managers and vice presidents if you have to. > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 17:42:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937C937B408 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer ([62.255.96.103]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011012004236.GMHH268.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@computer>; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:42:36 +0100 Message-ID: <012401c152b6$72bb7d60$6760ff3e@computer> From: "Kastaki" To: Cc: References: <003401c15122$c4b63d20$2260ff3e@computer> <000901c1519c$a7845460$0901a8c0@claus> <014201c15260$6bf15280$5560ff3e@computer> <3BC5DC01.3D4D69FA@mindless.com> Subject: UNIX and Networking Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:40:09 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On a server, the more workload you can take off the CPU the better, > that way it has more time to handle the management tasks and heavy > lifting. This kills software modems for any server. Second, because > FreeBSD is even less of a desktop OS than Linux, people who do use > FreeBSD as their desktop are definitely hardcore sub-species of geek. > Thus the users and, more importantly, those who can write the drivers, > already know better than to go anywhere near a software modem. I know this might sound really stupid, but how do you use UNIX in a networking environment??? I mean, take Win2K, you can install a DOMAIN CONTROLLER and you have all your users log in to a domain, and it makes life much easier as an administrator, you can set security policies, you can virtually control their life from 9 till 5......as long as they LOG INTO THE DC....but if they log in as local users (if they are allowed), then they will have no access to the network.... Yes, I agree UNIX is more stable, it can run Web Servers or Mail servers more efficiently, it can run File and Print Servers and most of the time it can run Application Servers, such as Oracle on Sun Servers - but my question is, how do you administer the network as far as your users as concerned? If your users are using Win2K Professional desktops and you are running UNIX servers, then they obviously log into their desktops as local users, and if they want to use that Oracle DB, they can double click an icon on their desktop and that starts a shell at the UNIX server, but how can you control their desktops from your UNIX Box - or do you have to have a DC somewhere in your networking environment? Bearing in mind that 80% of security breaches are internal!! I guess what I am trying to ask is can Unix live without Microsoft or Novell as far as authentication is concerned? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 17:51:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pineapple.theshop.net (pineapple.theshop.net [208.128.7.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334F937B40A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsdprophet.org (cherry46.theshop.net [63.67.33.111]) by pineapple.theshop.net (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id f9C0snBN075859; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:54:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BC63ECF.6030605@bsdprophet.org> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:52:31 -0500 From: Scott Corey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010922 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DJ =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tr=E1va?= Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think the best place to start is here: http://www.cz.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html Scott DJ Tr=E1va wrote: >Could you tell me how to download FreeBSD?I don't now it. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 17:55:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from boberg-eng.com (w042.z064000242.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.242.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D7AB37B407 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manele-femei-si-bautura.org by boberg-eng.com id aa23303; 11 Oct 2001 17:42 PDT To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: friends@openxxx.net X-Mailer: Perl+Mail::Sender 0.7.08 by Jan Krynicky Subject: Hello, your friend recommended openxxx to you Message-ID: <200110111742.aa23303@boberg-eng.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have been invited to check out this adult site by one of your friends who visited us. click here , our URL is: http://www.openxxx.net/ enjoy, OpenXXX TEAM 2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 17:55:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B3037B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A376A90F; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:25:08 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:25:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kastaki Cc: dmp@pantherdragon.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Microsoft and Notworking (was: UNIX and Networking) Message-ID: <20011012102508.A46350@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <003401c15122$c4b63d20$2260ff3e@computer> <000901c1519c$a7845460$0901a8c0@claus> <014201c15260$6bf15280$5560ff3e@computer> <3BC5DC01.3D4D69FA@mindless.com> <012401c152b6$72bb7d60$6760ff3e@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <012401c152b6$72bb7d60$6760ff3e@computer>; from kastaki@ganbert.com on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 01:40:09AM +0100 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 12 October 2001 at 1:40:09 +0100, Kastaki wrote: >> On a server, the more workload you can take off the CPU the better, >> that way it has more time to handle the management tasks and heavy >> lifting. This kills software modems for any server. Second, because >> FreeBSD is even less of a desktop OS than Linux, people who do use >> FreeBSD as their desktop are definitely hardcore sub-species of geek. >> Thus the users and, more importantly, those who can write the drivers, >> already know better than to go anywhere near a software modem. > > I know this might sound really stupid, but how do you use UNIX in a > networking environment??? Automatically. It's built in to the system, not added as an afterthought. > I mean, take Win2K, you can install a DOMAIN CONTROLLER and you have > all your users log in to a domain, You can also take a nail and nail your foot to the ground. Neither is desirable. > and it makes life much easier as an administrator, I don't think anything about Microsoft makes life easier. > you can set security policies, You *must* set security policies. You can tell how easy that is by the fact that my box is being bombarded with several attempts per second to compromise it via one of many known Microsoft security holes. All these attempts come from Microsoft machines which have themselves been compromised. > you can virtually control their life from 9 till 5 Well, UNIX boxes work round the clock. > ......as long as they LOG INTO THE DC....but if they log in as local > users (if they are allowed), then they will have no access to the > network.... Unless they use a real operating system. > Yes, I agree UNIX is more stable, it can run Web Servers or Mail > servers more efficiently, it can run File and Print Servers and most > of the time it can run Application Servers, such as Oracle on Sun > Servers - but my question is, how do you administer the network as > far as your users as concerned? If your users are using Win2K > Professional desktops and you are running UNIX servers, then they > obviously log into their desktops as local users, and if they want > to use that Oracle DB, they can double click an icon on their > desktop and that starts a shell at the UNIX server, but how can you > control their desktops from your UNIX Box - or do you have to have a > DC somewhere in your networking environment? Bearing in mind that > 80% of security breaches are internal!! OK, you're obviously very new to UNIX, and you're used to Microsoft. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't make the mistake of assuming that Microsoft is the standard to which others aspire. To quote Andrew Tridgell, the author of Samba, talking about SMB (the basis of Microsoft networking): I think SMB will go away eventually, due to one of two reasons. I'd love it to be that nobody uses Windows anymore, but that's unlikely. The other reason would be that Microsoft drops SMB, which is a distinct possibility. It's a massive maintenance hurdle. The protocol is so incredibly convoluted and bloated and badly designed -- there are ten ways of doing everything. You end up with these massive exchanges going on the wire between Windows 95 and NT, just because they are trying to work out exactly which sets of bugs the other guy has so they can figure out how to actually stat a file or find its size or date or something. And we've found from talking to people who work at Microsoft how much of a headache it is to maintain the damned thing and keep it secure. So, they've got to be thinking of dropping it at some stage. The whole article is at http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-07/tridgell_01.html > I guess what I am trying to ask is can Unix live without Microsoft > or Novell as far as authentication is concerned? Very well, as it has been doing for 20 years. I'm not going to answer the technical issues here, since they're significant, and you really need to understand the Internet before you can understand them. Maybe somebody else can come up with some pointers. But if you hang around in a UNIX environment long enough, you'll begin to understand how ridiculous Microsoft looks to most of us. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 21: 3:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70F737B409 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mindless.com (rook.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.147]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7302A471D7; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3BC66B8B.32B90051@mindless.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:03:23 -0700 From: gryph@mindless.com Reply-To: dmp@pantherdragon.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Johnson Cc: Annelise Anderson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MODEM & THE COMPLETE FREEBSD References: <3BC6238A.C3A8229@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson wrote: > Annelise Anderson wrote: > > > Someone asked me how one determines whether or not one has a winmodem. > > (Macs sometimes have the equivalent of winmodems also.) Of course > > they don't work, but the user doesn't know for sure whether it's > > because it's a winmodem or because ppp or whatever is not properly > > set up--and thus doesn't know whether or not to give up. There is only one way to tell: A hardware modem will be detected as a standard serial port by the BIOS and kernel probe, a software modem won't. There will also be jumpers on a hardware modem to manually choose the serial port to use. > 1) If the modem box says it will work with DOS, then it is a component > modem. I have an old USR winmodem that has device drivers for DOS. > 2) Since winmodems need software, check with the manufacturer for > software updates or fixes. If there are, then it is a winmodem. Hardware modems can come with updates/fixes. All those 56k firmware flash updates, for example. > If you > have the floppy/cd that comes with the modem, see if it actually has > software in it, or merely configuration settings for Windows. If it is > just configuration settings, then it is a component modem. If it's a really cheap winmodem that uses common parts, you can install it with just a configuration file, as the Windows CD has some software modem drivers on it. > > I also know of no question I can ask a sales person that they have a > > chance of answering to determine whether the modem in a laptop is a > > "winmodem." Ask for the model number and reference that against the maker's website. If it's a PCI modem, get the PCI vendor and device ID numbers and reference those against the registered IDs list. > One thing I have told people to do is to simply demand a refund or > replacement for winmodems. It won't work everytime, but I've seen it > work often enough, even with the big box stores like Best Buy. Escalate > the issue up to managers and vice presidents if you have to. If you ask the sales staff if it's a hardware or software modem, and they can't tell you, and you then can their assurance you can return the modem if it turns out to be a software modem, then you have a case. Otherwise you're risking fighting against open-box policy. Most stores won't take back an item simply because you bought the wrong part if no salesperson told you it was the right one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 21:35:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 636281.com (adsl-64-168-10-20.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [64.168.10.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90EC37B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tml (13.636281.com [64.168.10.19]) by 636281.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0152439B; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:27:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dominic" To: "=?big5?B?J0RKIFRy4XZhJw==?=" Cc: Subject: RE: Help(where to d/l) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c152d7$2a132ab0$130aa840@tml> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/4.4/ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of DJ Tr=E1va > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:42 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Help >=20 > Could you tell me how to download FreeBSD?I don't now it. >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 21:45:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB14937B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EA2C6A90F; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:15:13 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:15:13 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kastaki Cc: Claudiu Attila Balogh , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MODEM & THE COMPLETE FREEBSD Message-ID: <20011012141513.A32786@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <003401c15122$c4b63d20$2260ff3e@computer> <000901c1519c$a7845460$0901a8c0@claus> <014201c15260$6bf15280$5560ff3e@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <014201c15260$6bf15280$5560ff3e@computer>; from kastaki@ganbert.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 03:24:21PM +0100 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 11 October 2001 at 15:24:21 +0100, Kastaki wrote: > Thanks......after a long struggle, the modem is now up and running....it is > a good learning experience, which I can't say The Complete FreeBSD was - I > believe that book is a waste of money. > The first few chapters are good in installing the OS, but the author needs > to understand that most readers (like me) are coming from other platforms. > He touched Modems, but never really explained anything about setting them > up. He never mentioned that Internal WinModems can not be used. Moving on > the DNS, he set up a network and very slightly explained how to setup the > named daemon - but never really explained how to set it up in > general. There's a book on setting up named "in general", "DNS and BIND", http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns4/desc.html . It's 622 pages long. Would you have bought "The Complete FreeBSD" if it had been 600 pages longer and correspondingly more expensive? > Again he does the same thing with Samba "Using Samba", http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/, 413 pages. > and Apache. "Apache: The definitive guide", http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/apache2/. > This book was a waste of time, and I am resorting to either asking > questions on this mailing list, You seem to like doing things in an unorthodox manner. From the charter for this mailing list, which you received when you subscribed: We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving techniques, finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. > I am enjoying myself, but I just feel I want to catch up with > everyone else on this mailing list, and that this book has slowed me > down massively. Maybe you can point to how? I believe that, with the exception of not mentioning "win" modems, your claims are unfounded. What particular problems with the book slowed you down? > I still like to know a simple fact - why is it impossible for > FreeBSD to work with Internal Modems (especially WinModems). It isn't. But I have promised not to answer technical questions on this mailing list. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 11 21:56:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728D937B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f9C4twT03732; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Kastaki" , Cc: Subject: RE: UNIX and Networking Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:55:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c152da$2df40700$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <012401c152b6$72bb7d60$6760ff3e@computer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kastaki >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:40 PM >To: dmp@pantherdragon.org >Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: UNIX and Networking > > >> On a server, the more workload you can take off the CPU the better, >> that way it has more time to handle the management tasks and heavy >> lifting. This kills software modems for any server. Second, because >> FreeBSD is even less of a desktop OS than Linux, people who do use >> FreeBSD as their desktop are definitely hardcore sub-species of geek. >> Thus the users and, more importantly, those who can write the drivers, >> already know better than to go anywhere near a software modem. > > >I know this might sound really stupid, but how do you use UNIX in a >networking environment??? >I mean, take Win2K, you can install a DOMAIN CONTROLLER and you have all >your users log in to a domain, and it makes life much easier as an >administrator, you can set security policies, you can virtually control >their life from 9 till 5......as long as they LOG INTO THE DC....but if they >log in as local users (if they are allowed), then they will have no access >to the network.... > >Yes, I agree UNIX is more stable, it can run Web Servers or Mail servers >more efficiently, it can run File and Print Servers and most of the time it >can run Application Servers, such as Oracle on Sun Servers - but my question >is, how do you administer the network as far as your users as concerned? >If your users are using Win2K Professional desktops and you are running UNIX >servers, then they obviously log into their desktops as local users, and if >they want to use that Oracle DB, they can double click an icon on their >desktop and that starts a shell at the UNIX server, but how can you control >their desktops from your UNIX Box - or do you have to have a DC somewhere in >your networking environment? Bearing in mind that 80% of security breaches >are internal!! > What you have to understand is that UNIX is a totally different paradigm from NT/W2K. Windows grew up in a graphical environment from a single-user point of view. This was good if you had limited system resources because removing internal security and multiuser support takes a huge chunk of code away. Also, from a business perspective, Microsoft makes money on every copy of Windows sold, so it's in their interest to have a whole network of windows desktops. UNIX came from a different perspective - true UNIX networks originated as networks of ASCII terminals and a central multiuser UNIX server. Later on when graphical programs became more important, these networks became networks of X-Terminals. In that kind of network, all applications are on the central UNIX server and the remote terminals are simply terminals and don't execute programs themselves. Today, both types of networks are starting to take on characteristics of each other. Microsoft has found that the Domain Controller model is simply not scalable in large networks. It's fine if you have 100 or fewer desktops all on a flat network (like with a big 10/100 switch) but beyond that the support and licensing costs of duplicating applications across every single desktop is astronomical. You have workstations breaking down and needing to be reformatted every day in the larger networks. So, Microsoft is actually now moving more and more toward the traditional UNIX model of using Windows terminal services where the central NT/W2K fileserver becomes a terminal server and all applications run on it there, while the remotes all become dumb workstations with no apps loaded on them, running Terminal Server client. You should read the Microsoft literature sometime. In a TS model the Domain Controller becomes unnecessary. By contrast UNIX is moving somewhat away from that model to a model where every UNIX workstation in the network is a full-blown UNIX system. Now, if your wondering how to exercise control to the Microsoft Domain Controller level in UNIX the answer's easy - you design the network like that. Simply set up a central, massive UNIX server and make every PC in the place running a copy of UNIX that runs an X-server, and when users login to those systems they get a desktop with icons that run X-programs on the central UNIX system. This is a beautiful solution from a corporate network point of view because all user configuration is on the central server and if a workstation dies then it's user isn't offline for 3 days while all their apps and settings are reinstalled and re-setup. Instead the dead workstation/X-terminal is replaced by another X-terminal. Licensing is also easy because since your apps are on the central server you don't have to purchase hundreds of copies of - say - Microsoft Word, you just purchase ONE copy of a wordprocessor and everyone runs it from the central server. What everyone is starting to agree on, however, is in a typical corporate network of office drones all running the typical Word/Excel/PowerPoint/Email application on a Windows PC, that we simply cannot use that as a model long term, the support costs are horrendous. Instead the user-definable settings absolutely must be taken away from the workstations and centralized. Microsoft has realized this and has Terminal Services as an answer, and whether you believe it or not TS is becoming more and more used in the corporate network every day. UNIX has always had this model as an option. >I guess what I am trying to ask is can Unix live without Microsoft or Novell >as far as authentication is concerned? > It's far more than about authentication. In a large corporation you simply cannot permit people to do things like saving files to the local hard disk, saving e-mail to the local hard disk, it is just setting yourself up to be slammed in the face when the users computers die. You have to move as much of it as possible to the central servers. This is also why so many large companies are really trying to sit on the idea of purchasing a ton of laptops. In the most advanced companies, they are funding broadband VPN connections from desktops at people's homes to the corporate network, and for the roaming salespeople they are pushing Palm Pilots and WinCE systems on them, and trying to get rid of the laptops. There's still a lot of holdouts of course, but most sales dogs I know once they switch over to the lightweight Pilot they hate lugging the fat laptop around. Another extremely important point is in a sales meeting it's socially acceptable to slap out a Pilot or a CE system and make a notation, you don't see people hauling out their laptops in front of customers and flipping up the screen and making notes. More and more I'm just seeing the sales groupies when they go calling on a customer they lug along a token laptop that runs the dog-and-pony show and that's the only one they take. 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To get EASY ACCESS & PLUGIN to the LARGEST CONTENT SEXSERVER on the NET, use any of the 3 SERVERS listed here: 1. http://wownet.onweb.cx 2. http://wwwap.to/wownet 3. http://wownet.diz.nu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 12 6:49:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD8C37B406 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer ([62.255.57.39]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20011012134906.VGSD710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@computer>; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:49:06 +0100 Message-ID: <02ba01c15324$4e241480$6760ff3e@computer> From: "Kastaki" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: References: <000201c152da$2df40700$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: UNIX and Networking Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:46:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been using MS Terminal Services, but I do prefer Citrix Metaframe instead - infact MS has licensed a toned down version of Citrix M in Win2K.....but like you said, if the server goes down, then everyone goes down with it and that is not a solution! Unix is obviously the king of terminal servers........ I keep writing questions which I seem to know the answers to (total and utter confusion)......my issue is with the fact that the user can log in locally, even to a Unix workstation...but then I know that the initial sec policy can disable "loggin in locally"....by use of a scipt - infact would I be correct in saying that you can write a script to a Unix Workstation so that users can not log in localy, and that all loggin in has to go through to the main server?? In any case, where will the users and groups list be - at the central server or at the Unix workstation or both??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Mittelstaedt To: Kastaki ; Cc: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:55 AM Subject: RE: UNIX and Networking > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kastaki > >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:40 PM > >To: dmp@pantherdragon.org > >Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: UNIX and Networking > > > > > >> On a server, the more workload you can take off the CPU the better, > >> that way it has more time to handle the management tasks and heavy > >> lifting. This kills software modems for any server. Second, because > >> FreeBSD is even less of a desktop OS than Linux, people who do use > >> FreeBSD as their desktop are definitely hardcore sub-species of geek. > >> Thus the users and, more importantly, those who can write the drivers, > >> already know better than to go anywhere near a software modem. > > > > > >I know this might sound really stupid, but how do you use UNIX in a > >networking environment??? > >I mean, take Win2K, you can install a DOMAIN CONTROLLER and you have all > >your users log in to a domain, and it makes life much easier as an > >administrator, you can set security policies, you can virtually control > >their life from 9 till 5......as long as they LOG INTO THE DC....but if they > >log in as local users (if they are allowed), then they will have no access > >to the network.... > > > >Yes, I agree UNIX is more stable, it can run Web Servers or Mail servers > >more efficiently, it can run File and Print Servers and most of the time it > >can run Application Servers, such as Oracle on Sun Servers - but my question > >is, how do you administer the network as far as your users as concerned? > >If your users are using Win2K Professional desktops and you are running UNIX > >servers, then they obviously log into their desktops as local users, and if > >they want to use that Oracle DB, they can double click an icon on their > >desktop and that starts a shell at the UNIX server, but how can you control > >their desktops from your UNIX Box - or do you have to have a DC somewhere in > >your networking environment? Bearing in mind that 80% of security breaches > >are internal!! > > > > What you have to understand is that UNIX is a totally different paradigm from > NT/W2K. > > Windows grew up in a graphical environment from a single-user point of view. > This was good if you had limited system resources because removing internal > security and multiuser support takes a huge chunk of code away. Also, from a > business perspective, Microsoft makes money on every copy of Windows sold, so > it's in their interest to have a whole network of windows desktops. > > UNIX came from a different perspective - true UNIX networks originated as > networks > of ASCII terminals and a central multiuser UNIX server. Later on when > graphical > programs became more important, these networks became networks of X-Terminals. > In > that kind of network, all applications are on the central UNIX server and the > remote terminals are simply terminals and don't execute programs themselves. > > Today, both types of networks are starting to take on characteristics of each > other. Microsoft has found that the Domain Controller model is simply not > scalable in large networks. It's fine if you have 100 or fewer desktops all > on > a flat network (like with a big 10/100 switch) but beyond that the support and > licensing costs of duplicating applications across every single desktop is > astronomical. You have workstations breaking down and needing to be > reformatted > every day in the larger networks. So, Microsoft is actually now moving more > and > more toward the traditional UNIX model of using Windows terminal services > where > the central NT/W2K fileserver becomes a terminal server and all applications > run > on it there, while the remotes all become dumb workstations with no apps > loaded > on them, running Terminal Server client. You should read the Microsoft > literature > sometime. In a TS model the Domain Controller becomes unnecessary. > > By contrast UNIX is moving somewhat away from that model to a model where > every > UNIX workstation in the network is a full-blown UNIX system. > > Now, if your wondering how to exercise control to the Microsoft Domain > Controller > level in UNIX the answer's easy - you design the network like that. Simply > set up a > central, massive UNIX server and make every PC in the place running a copy of > UNIX > that runs an X-server, and when users login to those systems they get a > desktop > with icons that run X-programs on the central UNIX system. This is a > beautiful > solution from a corporate network point of view because all user configuration > is > on the central server and if a workstation dies then it's user isn't offline > for > 3 days while all their apps and settings are reinstalled and re-setup. > Instead the > dead workstation/X-terminal is replaced by another X-terminal. Licensing is > also > easy because since your apps are on the central server you don't have to > purchase > hundreds of copies of - say - Microsoft Word, you just purchase ONE copy of a > wordprocessor and everyone runs it from the central server. > > What everyone is starting to agree on, however, is in a typical corporate > network of > office drones all running the typical Word/Excel/PowerPoint/Email application > on a > Windows PC, that we simply cannot use that as a model long term, the support > costs > are horrendous. Instead the user-definable settings absolutely must be taken > away > from the workstations and centralized. Microsoft has realized this and has > Terminal > Services as an answer, and whether you believe it or not TS is becoming more > and > more used in the corporate network every day. UNIX has always had this model > as an > option. > > >I guess what I am trying to ask is can Unix live without Microsoft or Novell > >as far as authentication is concerned? > > > > It's far more than about authentication. In a large corporation you simply > cannot > permit people to do things like saving files to the local hard disk, saving > e-mail > to the local hard disk, it is just setting yourself up to be slammed in the > face > when the users computers die. You have to move as much of it as possible to > the > central servers. This is also why so many large companies are really trying > to sit > on the idea of purchasing a ton of laptops. In the most advanced companies, > they > are funding broadband VPN connections from desktops at people's homes to the > corporate network, and for the roaming salespeople they are pushing Palm > Pilots > and WinCE systems on them, and trying to get rid of the laptops. There's > still a lot > of holdouts of course, but most sales dogs I know once they switch over to the > lightweight Pilot they hate lugging the fat laptop around. Another extremely > important > point is in a sales meeting it's socially acceptable to slap out a Pilot or a > CE system > and make a notation, you don't see people hauling out their laptops in front > of > customers and flipping up the screen and making notes. More and more I'm just > seeing > the sales groupies when they go calling on a customer they lug along a token > laptop that > runs the dog-and-pony show and that's the only one they take. (and half the > time > the D&P show either doesen't work or is inapplicable to what the customer > wants > to talk about and it's a waste of time to mess with anyway) > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 12 7:53:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55B737B408 for