From owner-freebsd-toolchain@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 30 13:47:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: toolchain@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929867D6; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 630672641; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-24-8-230-52.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.230.52] helo=damnhippie.dyndns.org) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VFP2o-000KcQ-32; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:47:22 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r7UDlIuI057047; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 24.8.230.52 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX182YgFMbhY83L8ziagawriK Subject: Re: GCC withdraw From: Ian Lepore To: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <201308291057.43027.jhb@freebsd.org> <8F836479-BC3A-4679-A7AA-3BCDD34AE6C5@FreeBSD.org> <201308291344.25562.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:47:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1377870438.1111.311.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Current , toolchain@FreeBSD.org, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org CURRENT" , "Sam Fourman Jr." , Boris Samorodov X-BeenThere: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Maintenance of FreeBSD's integrated toolchain List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:47:29 -0000 On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 07:39 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > I had a long, rambling reply to this that corrected many of the factual errors made in it. But why bother. You have your world view, it doesn't match what people are doing today and this mismatch is going to cause people pain and suffering in the embedded world far beyond what you think. And you've shown an extreme reluctance to accept that your world view isn't quite right, and listen to people. This makes me sad, but I recognize a lost cause when I see it. > > Do whatever the fuck you want, but it won't make your arguments right. And it won't keep me from saying I told you so when your optimistic timelines don't come to fruition, or the people processors you dismiss as being too weak to run a full FreeBSD (despite the fact they are doing it today) complain about the needless pain they are going through. > > Warner Actually, I have to put a +1 on this. I also had a long reply full of reality-based refutations of various "facts" from this thread, and I also just deleted it because clearly the discussion has become pointless. -- Ian