From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 00:10:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909DF1065679 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE6D8FC28 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC6450AF9 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ClTU+Y0PUpdL for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 71A0050A7B; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090315001001.71A0050A7B@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2009-03-14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:05 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:44:45 -0700 Message-Id: <1237077885.46169.164.camel@pinot> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Linux Java Update? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jahnke@sonatabio.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:00:16 -0000 I'm setting up a new i386 computer, and I always include a complete Linux browser (usually Opera), including plugins. I went to the linux-sun-jre16 port, and I find a disagreement on the jre version number requested in the port (u3) versus what Sun has on their web site as their latest (u12). This is odd, since the native version runs u7. Why is this? Update 3 is a couple of years old, which is fine I guess, but is there a reason that update 12 is not used? Frank From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 01:33:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9EC106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737BC8FC18 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1446453qwe.7 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RSzPa1j0uUmSePMRaC9UM93xYXq/Qaah/94azB1tFpo=; b=ZewO2xKUAbq29Xv8+l/O07at0LYct14XUlEXj1UBOdVSpNCjIIzSEOXI/gxjosBMgA Jk34eDkuDchFKOXBNpnGL0juaRbxDI+zxLAWoLYo6a87E4EP+bGrE2BwBNdnJLC9Yyzj Pb1KAn769UmWmxVXHckKKVbdpeZmQXliA5u34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bGQShfsAtEuOalecT3xbSMC2euFPZeFdzNIP6sFY4dxilRa9CJlhdsFjfHVSGwRE2s GydkRaRWxFjpK68X86S1jCpjstxuth9x3pWAdnpDjfcf62mQryb2xVryOd7Xw07bycrC zr//nFpqNZSO1+t53VvTmqG4esK2AZUpRLn9o= Received: by 10.224.54.132 with SMTP id q4mr3941941qag.221.1237079042584; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fortytwo.zapto.org (bas1-toronto44-1177789449.dsl.bell.ca [70.51.164.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2523690qwb.41.2009.03.14.18.04.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49BC5400.2020908@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:04:00 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20090128) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: who broke snd_hda? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:33:26 -0000 I have no sound anymore, from anything, no matter what device I point an application at. Today I have no sound with a new world/kernel: from dmesg hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC880 pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm3: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2007061600/i386) Installed devices: pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] pcm3: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] mixer: Mixer speaker is currently set to 45:45 Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 Mixer mix is currently set to 30:30 Mixer monitor is currently set to 35:35 Last kernel from mid Jan.09 pcm0: pcm0: -- Over the years I've come to regard you as people I've met. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 01:43:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3A5106566B; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3B58FC13; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1447399qwe.7 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:43:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zIAd1yy2VesJbkfHaPYlK02fZD8H+Zv6An5UCE1WUYM=; b=vVYmgG6jJi50IjL5KaAnMycW6fqfmHSRxO7PGJc4xPeLEVzezmWa/Z+yrLnncz9t7H Rt8iy/bmiBHMBgagCq/fPTBPikWEx0C8GiijZPz6sAsCAderXJmQo+O1eomJloMQ0xyy uT9GwSMAFJk7SC5EXmk8yaug8YUAxiw1xQ5Gk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XcpPDdim/AocJ46fvPTBTNaUoCKuYmkdaXb0caNpmB6/Kwt9d+RggRCzGah0eWb9Jb NA2ZxygIYqCRSRIo8uw9EY6oRNZD+zDA98PvR90o9ILoRntPW/krOmdZdg5qkRZfSGot O+P8Ychxc/S8eUC5EwW1tIMsJjsSHqWfXxqMQ= Received: by 10.224.73.204 with SMTP id r12mr3936443qaj.313.1237081395265; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fortytwo.zapto.org (bas1-toronto44-1177789449.dsl.bell.ca [70.51.164.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2548894qwh.38.2009.03.14.18.43.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49BC5D36.6080102@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:43:18 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20090128) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: RE: who broke snd_hda? SOLVED X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:43:16 -0000 hw.snd.default_unit=1 <-- This has fixed everything, from the looks of it. Not 100% sure what =1 means, but I have sound now. No line in/rec/CD volume controls, but working on that. /back to man pages mixer Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mix is currently set to 0:0 Recording source: Still have to fix this. >I have no sound anymore, from anything, no matter what device I point an >application at. >Today I have no sound with a new world/kernel: >from dmesg >hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC880 >pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 >pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 >pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 >pcm3: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 >cat /dev/sndstat >FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2007061600/i386) >Installed devices: >pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] >pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] >pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] >pcm3: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 [MPSAFE] >mixer: >Mixer speaker is currently set to 45:45 >Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 >Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 >Mixer mix is currently set to 30:30 >Mixer monitor is currently set to 35:35 >Last kernel from mid Jan.09 >pcm0: >pcm0: -- Over the years I've come to regard you as people I've met. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 03:51:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58458106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED558FC14 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2F3q3Eg086392; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:51:02 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20090315035101.GA28705@thought.org> References: <20090313191520.GA14233@thought.org> <20090313202226.GA47453@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090314030558.GB25027@thought.org> <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:51:11 -0000 On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:26:02AM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 08:05:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > lame -h -V 3 - nobody could tell the difference, it gives <200kbps bitrate > > > lame -h -b 192 - as above > > > lame -h -b 128 - they were able to tell difference, but not on all > > > music/songs > > > > > > lame -h -b 96 - i was able to tell the difference on every song, but it > > > wasn't really huge deal. > > > my hearing is exceptionally good and while call myself an > > audiophile, having all my tunes right here at fingertips is > > a major win. having said that, can you point me to a basic > > tutorial on lame? > > man lame GADGOOKS! that's no tutorial, that's *torture*. After i finally got caught up on miised sleep, a few hours ago I read-thru and listened-to (kttsd) the man lame. Then surfed around; then came back to the man page and read the several examples. So: the idea is that lame ["just"] converts WAV files to mp3. There is a gnome utility, sound-juicer than turns my CD's from wave to ogg-vorbis. I'm happy with ogg but would prefer flac ... but ogg is fine. mp4 is a dontknow. What I've got is good enough for now. > > > i've got 1581620 blocks of mp3 @ 128kbit. > > lectures. when i tried to cut the quality even by a bit it was > > evident immediately. rar compresses these file to > > 1482404 blocks very very slowly. it probably makes sense to just > > burn the mp3 files to a dvd and be safe. > > There is a special codec for speech. You'll find it the > audio/speex port. From the pkg-descr: > > The Speex is a patent-free, Open Source/Free Software voice codec. > Unlike other codecs like MP3 and Ogg Vorbis, Speex is designed to > compress voice at bitrates in the 2-45 kbps range. Possible > applications include VoIP, Internet audio streaming, archiving of > speech data (e.g. voice mail), and audio books. In some sense, it is > meant to be complementary to the Ogg Vorbis codec. > > This might perform better at compressing lectures. Sounds v promising, thanks. Given the availability of compression these days, it makes me wonder why telephone conversations still sound so 'tinny'. But then, that's another matter. gary > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.23a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 04:18:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EA31065673 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B598FC0A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2F4I6fq038983; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:18:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2F4I687038980; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:18:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:18:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20090315035101.GA28705@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <20090313191520.GA14233@thought.org> <20090313202226.GA47453@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090314030558.GB25027@thought.org> <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090315035101.GA28705@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:18:15 -0000 > listened-to (kttsd) the man lame. Then surfed around; then came > back to the man page and read the several examples. So: the idea > is that lame ["just"] converts WAV files to mp3. There is a as every good unix tool - it does exactly what is supposed to do. nobody forbids you to make your script that do what you want with lame and say cdda2wav > Given the availability of compression these days, it makes me > wonder why telephone conversations still sound so 'tinny'. But > then, that's another matter. > with right configured speex codec phone talks sounds actually better than uncompressed :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 04:24:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0271065675 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@vesterman.com) Received: from webmail.cedant.com (webmail.cedant.com [216.55.191.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66BB8FC15 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@vesterman.com) Received: from webmail.vesterman.com (localhost.abac.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.cedant.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n2F43aZX015056 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:03:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@vesterman.com) Received: from ool-44c40832.dyn.optonline.net ([68.196.8.50]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bob@vesterman.com); by webmail.vesterman.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58449.68.196.8.50.1237089816.squirrel@68.196.8.50> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: bob@vesterman.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) Subject: GELI full disk, booting from thumb drive - can't get to /usr? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:24:19 -0000 I've been trying to set up a system (7.0 Release) with full-disk encryption, using GELI, and booting from a thumb drive. When booting, it gets as far as asking me for the passphrases of the various encrypted disks; when I give them, GELI indicates that it successfully attached to each, but after I've entered the last of them, the system puts out a bunch of messages (most of which quickly scroll off my screen) looking like it's trying to continue booting, but having problems. Those that are left when it finally stops scrolling seem to indicate that it can't get to /usr. Here is what remains on my screen when it stops scrolling: eval: /usr/sbin/sendmail: not found /etc/rc: WARNING: run_rc_command: cannot run /usr/sbin/cron Local package initialization: dirname: not found Starting background file system checks in 60 seconds. logger: not found After that is a blank line, then a line with the date and time, and then a bunch of lines like the following: Mar 14 22:39:06 init: can't exec getty '/usr/libexec/getty' for port /dev/ttyv4: No such file or directory The only difference between the "getty" lines is the ttyv* they show. Thereafter, once every thirty seconds, another eight copies of the "getty" line show. This happens indefinitely thereafter (I let it go for an hour or so). If I start up Fixit from a LiveFS CD, geli attach and mount what should be /usr as something like "/myusr", I can see that all of the things I expect to be there really are there (including, for example, libexec/getty). Does anyone have any idea why this would be happening, or any idea on how to troubleshoot it? The fact that I can't get to getty makes it... difficult. Here is my fstab, which is the same in /boot/etc of my thumb drive and /boot/etc of the thing on the hard drive that should get mounted as root (again, I can confirm this by mounting it as /myslash via a LiveFS CD): /dev/ad10.elia / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad10.elib none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad10.elid /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad10.elie /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad10.elif /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad11.elib none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad11.elif /disk2 ufs rw 2 0 /dev/ad13.elib none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad13.elif /disk3 ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 Thanks in advance for any help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 04:42:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECDB106566B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9C48FC14 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2F4hQKr086665; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:42:25 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090315044225.GB28705@thought.org> References: <20090313191520.GA14233@thought.org> <20090313202226.GA47453@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090314030558.GB25027@thought.org> <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:42:30 -0000 On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:36:25AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >There is a special codec for speech. You'll find it the > >audio/speex port. From the pkg-descr: > > actually i use it with asterisk - at about 15kbps (VBR) there are audible > differences between this and standard 64kbps a-law - but the differences > are POSITIVE - speech sounds clearer! > There's something I've been wanting to ask and a web search hasn't told me very much. What is the "mp4"? Is it == to "aac" or "aacPlus"? Some online stations carry the acc format and it seems better than mp3. I can't really tell. anybody? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.23a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 04:55:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C45106566B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@vesterman.com) Received: from webmail.cedant.com (webmail.cedant.com [216.55.191.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFE28FC0C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@vesterman.com) Received: from webmail.vesterman.com (localhost.abac.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.cedant.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n2F4tYMv016198 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@vesterman.com) Received: from ool-44c40832.dyn.optonline.net ([68.196.8.50]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bob@vesterman.com); by webmail.vesterman.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <58580.68.196.8.50.1237092934.squirrel@68.196.8.50> In-Reply-To: <58449.68.196.8.50.1237089816.squirrel@68.196.8.50> References: <58449.68.196.8.50.1237089816.squirrel@68.196.8.50> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bob@vesterman.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) Subject: Re: GELI full disk, booting from thumb drive - can't get to /usr? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:55:37 -0000 Whoops - two mistakes in my original email: First, the following fstab line is a typo (in my original email, not in my actual fstab): /dev/ad11.elif /disk2 ufs rw 2 0 It actually ends in a "2", not a "0". Second, when I typed the following: "Here is my fstab, which is the same in /boot/etc of my thumb drive and /boot/etc of the thing on the hard drive that should get mounted as root" The copies of fstab are actually in "/etc", not "/boot/etc". This is true for both the thumb drive and the hard drive. > I've been trying to set up a system (7.0 Release) with full-disk > encryption, using GELI, and booting from a thumb drive. When booting, it > gets as far as asking me for the passphrases of the various encrypted > disks; when I give them, GELI indicates that it successfully attached to > each, but after I've entered the last of them, the system puts out a bunch > of messages (most of which quickly scroll off my screen) looking like it's > trying to continue booting, but having problems. > > Those that are left when it finally stops scrolling seem to indicate that > it can't get to /usr. Here is what remains on my screen when it stops > scrolling: > > eval: /usr/sbin/sendmail: not found > /etc/rc: WARNING: run_rc_command: cannot run /usr/sbin/cron > Local package initialization: > dirname: not found > Starting background file system checks in 60 seconds. > logger: not found > > After that is a blank line, then a line with the date and time, and then a > bunch of lines like the following: > > Mar 14 22:39:06 init: can't exec getty '/usr/libexec/getty' for port > /dev/ttyv4: No such file or directory > > The only difference between the "getty" lines is the ttyv* they show. > > Thereafter, once every thirty seconds, another eight copies of the "getty" > line show. This happens indefinitely thereafter (I let it go for an hour > or so). > > If I start up Fixit from a LiveFS CD, geli attach and mount what should be > /usr as something like "/myusr", I can see that all of the things I expect > to be there really are there (including, for example, libexec/getty). > > Does anyone have any idea why this would be happening, or any idea on how > to troubleshoot it? The fact that I can't get to getty makes it... > difficult. > > Here is my fstab, which is the same in /boot/etc of my thumb drive and > /boot/etc of the thing on the hard drive that should get mounted as root > (again, I can confirm this by mounting it as /myslash via a LiveFS CD): > > /dev/ad10.elia / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad10.elib none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad10.elid /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad10.elie /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad10.elif /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad11.elib none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad11.elif /disk2 ufs rw 2 0 > /dev/ad13.elib none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad13.elif /disk3 ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 05:11:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40B21065674 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3848FC1E for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2F5CGuY086859; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:12:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:11:15 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090315051114.GC28705@thought.org> References: <20090313191520.GA14233@thought.org> <20090313202226.GA47453@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090314030558.GB25027@thought.org> <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090315035101.GA28705@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:11:20 -0000 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 05:18:06AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > listened-to (kttsd) the man lame. Then surfed around; then came > > back to the man page and read the several examples. So: the idea > > is that lame ["just"] converts WAV files to mp3. There is a > > as every good unix tool - it does exactly what is supposed to do. > > nobody forbids you to make your script that do what you want with lame and > say cdda2wav > > > Given the availability of compression these days, it makes me > > wonder why telephone conversations still sound so 'tinny'. But > > then, that's another matter. > > > with right configured speex codec phone talks sounds actually better than > uncompressed :) That's the idea: take telephone/voice @ what? 4kbps? -- it was something very narrow bandwidth so the phone companies could squueze more speech into each wire. Anyway, given 4k or whatever bits/sec, built in a single chip into each new phone to compress and uncompress. And up the quality of the speaker! -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.23a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 07:19:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5982B106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49308FC14 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2F7Jqdv077955; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:19:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D4590BA8D; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:19:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:19:51 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090315071951.GA16322@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090313191520.GA14233@thought.org> <20090313202226.GA47453@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090314030558.GB25027@thought.org> <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090315044225.GB28705@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090315044225.GB28705@thought.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:19:55 -0000 --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 09:42:25PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:36:25AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > >There is a special codec for speech. You'll find it the > > >audio/speex port. From the pkg-descr: > >=20 > > actually i use it with asterisk - at about 15kbps (VBR) there are audib= le=20 > > differences between this and standard 64kbps a-law - but the difference= s=20 > > are POSITIVE - speech sounds clearer! > >=20 >=20 > There's something I've been wanting to ask and a web search > hasn't told me very much. What is the "mp4"? Is it =3D=3D to "aac" > or "aacPlus"? Some online stations carry the acc format and it > seems better than mp3. I can't really tell.=20 It's quite complicated. 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:05:44 -0000 --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:51:02PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:26:02AM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 08:05:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > lame -h -V 3 - nobody could tell the difference, it gives <200kbps = bitrate > > > > lame -h -b 192 - as above > > > > lame -h -b 128 - they were able to tell difference, but not on all= =20 > > > > music/songs > > > >=20 > > > > lame -h -b 96 - i was able to tell the difference on every song, bu= t it=20 > > > > wasn't really huge deal. > >=20 > > > my hearing is exceptionally good and while call myself an > > > audiophile, having all my tunes right here at fingertips is=20 > > > a major win. having said that, can you point me to a basic > > > tutorial on lame?=20 > >=20 > > man lame >=20 >=20 > GADGOOKS! that's no tutorial, that's *torture*. After i finally=20 > got caught up on miised sleep, a few hours ago I read-thru and > listened-to (kttsd) the man lame. Then surfed around; then came > back to the man page and read the several examples. So: the idea > is that lame ["just"] converts WAV files to mp3.=20 Yep. That's what it does. It's the UNIX philosophy; do one thing and do it = well. If you're not an expert you should probably stick with one of the --preset modes. E.g. '--preset medium' or '--preset standard'. That will give you variable bitrate files with good quality. > There is a gnome utility, sound-juicer than turns my CD's from > wave to ogg-vorbis. I'm happy with ogg but would prefer flac > ... but ogg is fine. mp4 is a dontknow. What I've got is good > enough for now. It looks like sound-juicer should be able to make flac files as well: http://www.burtonini.com/computing/screenshots/sj-prefs.png, probably depending on if you have the right gstreamer plugins installed. The freebsd port of sound-juicer depends on the ogg vorbis and flac gstreamer plugins. > > > i've got 1581620 blocks of mp3 @ 128kbit. > > > lectures. when i tried to cut the quality even by a bit it was > > > evident immediately. rar compresses these file to > > > 1482404 blocks very very slowly. it probably makes sense to just > > > burn the mp3 files to a dvd and be safe. =20 > >=20 > > There is a special codec for speech. You'll find it the > > audio/speex port. From the pkg-descr: > >=20 > > The Speex is a patent-free, Open Source/Free Software voice codec. > > Unlike other codecs like MP3 and Ogg Vorbis, Speex is designed to > > compress voice at bitrates in the 2-45 kbps range. Possible > > applications include VoIP, Internet audio streaming, archiving of > > speech data (e.g. voice mail), and audio books. In some sense, it is > > meant to be complementary to the Ogg Vorbis codec. > >=20 > > This might perform better at compressing lectures. > Sounds v promising, thanks. =20 >=20 > Given the availability of compression these days, it makes me > wonder why telephone conversations still sound so 'tinny'. But > then, that's another matter. The speakers in telephones are tiny. That's probably a large part of it. The codec used to digitize voice signals for current DECT phones, G.726 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.726] dates from 1990, so it was limited to the technology of that time. Modern codecs like speex probably do a better job! Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEUEARECAAYFAkm8ttUACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUQvwCXfj0N4NhFnGLyAhqAGHKNc4+x wwCdE1gEx5FLFxeSvRGMvcul+iNe3vA= =cfWr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 08:31:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3C1106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAF08FC0C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:31:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2F8S3ci091691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:28:03 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id n2F8VOCW041210; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:31:24 +0700 (ICT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:31:24 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200903150831.n2F8VOCW041210@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <200903141007.n2EA7tO6053641@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> (message from Olivier Nicole on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:07:55 +0700 (ICT)) References: <200903141007.n2EA7tO6053641@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Re: make installworld fails on RELEASE6.4 amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:31:33 -0000 Hi, > I am facing a problem that I cannot solve when trying to reinstall > wolrd on 6.4 amd 64. More about this issue. RELEASE_6.4 i386 is imune of this problem. I did a make -d A installworld and it seems that it is all about /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine. It's a link to /usr/src/sys/i386/include. This directory is created at the first installation of FreeBSD. When CMOS clock is the wall clock and when one is located ahead of UTC (Thailand is UTC+7), during the first installation of a distribution, the machine boots with UTC=CMOS clock, hence creating the directory hierarchy 7 hours ahead of time. The link /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine is created by make buildworld, after the first boot of the newly installed system, after the time zone has been set, so it is created with the right time. If one does an installworld between the 7 hours interval, when installing /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2, it detects that the directory /usr/src/sys/i386/include pointed by /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine is newer than the objects being installed, and it tries to rebuild the object. My wild guess is that on i386, make installworld looks at the modification date of the link /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine; while on amd64 make installworld looks at the modification date of the directory /usr/src/sys/i386/include pointed by the link. Hence the different behaviour. This is annoying for people leaving ahead of UTC, that will install a new distribution, cvsup the release, build and installworld, during the interval of 7 hours. I think that users behing UTC will not be affected. What I did is: during the installation of the distrubition I set back the CMOS clock to UTC time, and when FreeBSD was done installing from the CD, I reset the CMOS clock to the wall clock. It worked, but it's not very nice. I am curious to have experts opinion on the different behaviour of make regarding the modification date of the link /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine. Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 09:01:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC15106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AB08FC08 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBE5326F0; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:01:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:01:14 +0100 From: cpghost To: Jimmie James Message-ID: <20090315090114.GA1051@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <49BC5D36.6080102@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49BC5D36.6080102@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: who broke snd_hda? SOLVED X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:01:17 -0000 On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 09:43:18PM -0400, Jimmie James wrote: > hw.snd.default_unit=1 <-- This has fixed everything, from the looks of > it. Not 100% sure what =1 means, but I have sound now. snd_hda can now drive multiple physical output units (pcm0, pcm1, ...). I guess 1 refers to pcm1 (in your case, that would be the first analog output unit ). -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 09:11:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156EB1065670 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E788FC13 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2F9BQdZ040997; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:11:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2F9BQbt040994; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:11:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:11:26 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20090315080541.GB16322@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <20090313191520.GA14233@thought.org> <20090313202226.GA47453@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090314030558.GB25027@thought.org> <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090315035101.GA28705@thought.org> <20090315080541.GB16322@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:11:37 -0000 > If you're not an expert you should probably stick with one of the > --preset modes. E.g. '--preset medium' or '--preset standard'. That will > give you variable bitrate files with good quality. lame -h -V 3 is what i use. > The speakers in telephones are tiny. That's probably a large part of it. > > The codec used to digitize voice signals for current DECT phones, G.726 > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.726] dates from 1990, so it was limited > to the technology of that time. Modern codecs like speex probably do a > better job! MUCH better. record your voice at 8kHz and then try speex. it's REALLY excellent. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 09:13:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C054910657D6 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6428FC26 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B0C33A2D; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:13:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:13:01 +0100 From: cpghost To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:13:04 -0000 I've noticed that when a huge, partially or totally swapped out process exits, there is a lot of disk activity going on, before the process truly dies. This is not necessarily due to sync(2), because it also happens with CPU bound processes that write very little output. Not sure what's really going on there, but apparently, the process reads in pages from swap that have been paged out previously (according to top(1)). Couldn't this be avoided and the paged out pages simply discarded without reading them back in? Or do those pages contain necessary data at this point (page directories etc.)? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 09:13:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893B41065673 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34E28FC13 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2F9DXf2041008; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:13:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2F9DXUw041005; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:13:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:13:33 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20090315051114.GC28705@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <20090313191520.GA14233@thought.org> <20090313202226.GA47453@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090314030558.GB25027@thought.org> <20090314072602.GA75036@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090315035101.GA28705@thought.org> <20090315051114.GC28705@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best archiver? (for music) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:13:41 -0000 > > That's the idea: take telephone/voice @ what? 4kbps? -- it was standard means between 300-3100Hz. often - sounds below 300Hz are now that filtered today. record your voice at 8Khz sampling rate and then compress with speex various options and compare compressed and uncompressed. as long as only speech is recorded, and not too high compression is selected, it tends to improve, not degrade quality esp. when recording is noisy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 09:28:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F362E106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427748FC18 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:28:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2F9RrHd041067; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:27:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2F9RrM4041064; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:27:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:27:53 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:28:33 -0000 > Not sure what's really going on there, but apparently, the process > reads in pages from swap that have been paged out previously > (according to top(1)). is it your program and you are sure it's on exit? i'm sure it's not. it's because the program is writted the way it's doing a lot of things (probably unneeded) on exit. not exit(2) itself From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 10:01:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8BE106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13E98FC25 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC1D32F3D; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:01:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:01:41 +0100 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090315100141.GA1282@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:01:45 -0000 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:27:53AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Not sure what's really going on there, but apparently, the process > > reads in pages from swap that have been paged out previously > > (according to top(1)). > > is it your program and you are sure it's on exit? Every memory hungry program is concerned; and yes: it happens exactly on exit. > it's because the program is writted the way it's doing a lot of things > (probably unneeded) on exit. Have a look at what happens during exit: /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:exit1() especially at the call to vm_waitproc(): /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_glue.c:vm_waitproc which calls vmspace_exitfree(): /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:vmspace_exitfree() Now, vmspace_exit() and vmspace_exitfree() ultimately call: /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:vmspace_dofree() It then goes deep into the bowels of vm amd pmap, and that's the place where the pages are paged in again (I think). > not exit(2) itself -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 10:09:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7B1106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4A48FC1A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:09:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FA920L041191; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:09:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FA91KE041188; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:09:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:09:00 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090315100141.GA1282@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090315100141.GA1282@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:09:37 -0000 >> >> is it your program and you are sure it's on exit? > > Every memory hungry program is concerned; and yes: it happens exactly > on exit. strange. i just wrote a test program #include int test[1024*1024*128]; main() { int a; for(a=0;a<1024*1024*128;a++) test[a]=a; puts("end"); } it fills 512MB RAM and then ends. i have 256MB RAM in laptop it swapped a lot, then wrote "end" and immediately exited. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 10:15:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B1D1065674 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@ulyssis.org) Received: from mailrelay002.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay002.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0598FC1B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@ulyssis.org) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgcFAHJrvElR9N62/2dsb2JhbACBTs8Sg38G Received: from 182.222-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.kotnet.org) ([81.244.222.182]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2009 10:45:53 +0100 Received: from kalimero.kotnet.org (kalimero.kotnet.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.kotnet.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2F9jrVW001353; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:45:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tijl@ulyssis.org) From: Tijl Coosemans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, jahnke@sonatabio.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:45:51 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <1237077885.46169.164.camel@pinot> In-Reply-To: <1237077885.46169.164.camel@pinot> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903151045.52765.tijl@ulyssis.org> Cc: Subject: Re: Linux Java Update? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:15:09 -0000 On Sunday 15 March 2009 01:44:45 Frank Jahnke wrote: > I'm setting up a new i386 computer, and I always include a complete > Linux browser (usually Opera), including plugins. I went to the > linux-sun-jre16 port, and I find a disagreement on the jre version > number requested in the port (u3) versus what Sun has on their web > site as their latest (u12). This is odd, since the native version > runs u7. > > Why is this? Update 3 is a couple of years old, which is fine I > guess, but is there a reason that update 12 is not used? You'll probably have to ask the port maintainer directly: cd /usr/ports/java/linux-sun-jre16 make maintainer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 10:16:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8141110656C0 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1298FC1A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FAGZuY041231; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:16:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FAGZS6041228; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:16:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:16:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tijl Coosemans In-Reply-To: <200903151045.52765.tijl@ulyssis.org> Message-ID: References: <1237077885.46169.164.camel@pinot> <200903151045.52765.tijl@ulyssis.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, jahnke@sonatabio.com Subject: Re: Linux Java Update? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:16:45 -0000 > > You'll probably have to ask the port maintainer directly: > > cd /usr/ports/java/linux-sun-jre16 > make maintainer he made him and the maintainer appeared ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 10:52:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE5E1065674 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224B88FC18 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE2132F3D; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:52:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:52:06 +0100 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090315105206.GB1282@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090315100141.GA1282@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:52:09 -0000 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:09:00AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> is it your program and you are sure it's on exit? > > > > Every memory hungry program is concerned; and yes: it happens exactly > > on exit. > > strange. > i just wrote a test program > > #include > int test[1024*1024*128]; > main() { > int a; > for(a=0;a<1024*1024*128;a++) test[a]=a; > puts("end"); > } > > it fills 512MB RAM and then ends. i have 256MB RAM in laptop > > it swapped a lot, then wrote "end" and immediately exited. Hmmm... yes, it's strange. With malloc-ed space, exit is also very fast. On a 2 GB machine with amd64, exit is almost immediate: ----- snip ---------------------------------------------- #include #include #include #include #define NRGIGS 4 #define BIGSIZE (1024*1024*1024) #define SOMETIME 15 main() { int a; char *p; for (a=0; a Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510381065677 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F138FC13 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FCmAqI041544; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:48:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FCm931041541; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:48:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:48:09 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090315105206.GB1282@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090315100141.GA1282@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090315105206.GB1282@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:48:45 -0000 >> it swapped a lot, then wrote "end" and immediately exited. > > Hmmm... yes, it's strange. With malloc-ed space, exit is also very > fast. On a 2 GB machine with amd64, exit is almost immediate: try mallocing 2 million times 2 kilobytes and fill. maybe exit first free all malloc'ed space which is definitely nonsense. > > If I find a way to isolate the problem, I'll post it here. maybe your problematic program uses atexit and exit actually calls part of it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 13:03:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AF1106566B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:03:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192EF8FC26 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-109-64.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.109.64]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C2B16C00D3; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:39:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n2FBdDlE009084; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:39:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:39:13 +0100 From: Polytropon To: bob@vesterman.com Message-Id: <20090315123913.3755063b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <58449.68.196.8.50.1237089816.squirrel@68.196.8.50> References: <58449.68.196.8.50.1237089816.squirrel@68.196.8.50> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GELI full disk, booting from thumb drive - can't get to /usr? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:03:01 -0000 On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:03:36 -0700 (PDT), bob@vesterman.com wrote: > I've been trying to set up a system (7.0 Release) with full-disk > encryption, using GELI, and booting from a thumb drive. When booting, it > gets as far as asking me for the passphrases of the various encrypted > disks; when I give them, GELI indicates that it successfully attached to > each, but after I've entered the last of them, the system puts out a bunch > of messages (most of which quickly scroll off my screen) looking like it's > trying to continue booting, but having problems. > > Those that are left when it finally stops scrolling seem to indicate that > it can't get to /usr. Here is what remains on my screen when it stops > scrolling: > > eval: /usr/sbin/sendmail: not found > /etc/rc: WARNING: run_rc_command: cannot run /usr/sbin/cron > Local package initialization: > dirname: not found > Starting background file system checks in 60 seconds. > logger: not found This indicates that your assumption is right, access to /usr is not possible. But what comes into my mind is that *if* /usr could not be mounted, the system is usually put into single user mode instead of continuing to boot. My suggestion: have you tried scolling up and looking for the first message that looks strange, maybe a message that says something about /usr? (Press the Scroll Lock key and use the arrow keys / page scrolling keys to access previous screen content.) > If I start up Fixit from a LiveFS CD, geli attach and mount what should be > /usr as something like "/myusr", I can see that all of the things I expect > to be there really are there (including, for example, libexec/getty). Does your thumb drive (for booting) something generally different than you do when starting with the LFS CD? -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 13:20:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA131106570C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:20:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951808FC15 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:20:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016B99BEF9 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [192.168.2.3]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1AD31164E5C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49BCFC98.3010602@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:03:20 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What Is Needed For SimpleXML Support in PHP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:20:51 -0000 I have php5-5.2.9 installed on my FBSD 6.3 system. I am attempting to use a php script that fails with: Call to undefined function simplexml_load_string() Googling suggests that this function is part of the PHP software and is installed by default unless built with the "--disable-simplexml" configure option. On my system, almost everything including PHP has been installed using portupgrade. I searched the ports and found one named php5-simplexml so I installed it and tried the script again. It still failed with the same error. More Googling and I found that "php -m" will show which modules are available. Here's that output: blacklamb> php -m [PHP Modules] ... SimpleXML ... Thus it appears that SimpleXML is available. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing? I'm lost. Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 13:51:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5459106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994C88FC15 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (pool-72-95-226-5.pitbpa.ftas.verizon.net [72.95.226.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B4F4DEBC0A; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:51:06 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Drew Tomlinson Message-Id: <20090315095106.d63f3564.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <49BCFC98.3010602@mykitchentable.net> References: <49BCFC98.3010602@mykitchentable.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What Is Needed For SimpleXML Support in PHP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:51:08 -0000 Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > I have php5-5.2.9 installed on my FBSD 6.3 system. I am attempting to > use a php script that fails with: > > Call to undefined function simplexml_load_string() > > Googling suggests that this function is part of the PHP software and is > installed by default unless built with the "--disable-simplexml" > configure option. > > On my system, almost everything including PHP has been installed using > portupgrade. I searched the ports and found one named php5-simplexml so > I installed it and tried the script again. It still failed with the > same error. > > More Googling and I found that "php -m" will show which modules are > available. Here's that output: > > blacklamb> php -m > [PHP Modules] > ... > SimpleXML > ... > > Thus it appears that SimpleXML is available. > > Can anyone tell me what I'm missing? I'm lost. Details? My guess is that this is a web script that you're running via a browser, and you didn't restart Apache after installing simplexml. Apache seems to cache the list of installed PHP modules. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 14:09:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F59E106566B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from esheesle@shadowlair.com) Received: from rogue.shadowlair.com (mail.shadowlair.com [74.92.153.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0948FC17 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:09:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from esheesle@shadowlair.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by rogue.shadowlair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AEE50836 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:49:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=shadowlair.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id:received:received: x-virus-scanned; s=shadowlair; t=1237124985; x=1238939385; bh=IU /kCY9FtagOrO6NNK9NJR2YmJajO9x/jiTI//tdTZk=; b=Cve6p9aOO3GiMXSlku wbKxZM7gbQ4ArImPN6mjfVTrMuA0KD0pScI5bf5CCVW4lhHtLiRW/W2T6oAOEDfc g+1ekzwYZL1l9oRIx7tdnHJe/gdhZWH9m0l68mA7Xrfy/MczdgWBoyQmf+o3GSIG HelPQBMhB69cvaCB2X4a6kJN8= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at shadowlair.com Received: from rogue.shadowlair.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rogue.shadowlair.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a1TDHkw0T3Jb for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [10.1.10.82]) by rogue.shadowlair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49BD0779.7020908@shadowlair.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:49:45 -0400 From: Eric Sheesley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Issue with apcupsd and gd.h missing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:09:02 -0000 When trying to do a portupgrade of apcupsd I received the following error: checking for gd2/gd.h... no configure: error: Found system GD library but no header file. Please find the file gd.h in your system include directories and report its location to apcupsd-users at lists.sourceforge.net The system is Freebsd 7.1. I checked and gd.h does exist so I'm a bit confused as to what is going on. The file is located in /usr/local/include, a path that it appears the port checks. Anyone else experiencing this? Any suggestions on how to fix it? gd is installed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 14:21:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A322C1065675 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0588FC0C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LirDN-0006Lb-2K for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:21:21 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-74-156.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.74.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:21:21 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-74-156.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:21:21 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:22:03 -0400 Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <49BCFC98.3010602@mykitchentable.net> <20090315095106.d63f3564.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-74-156.res.east.verizon.net User-Agent: KNode/0.99.01 Sender: news Subject: Re: What Is Needed For SimpleXML Support in PHP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:21:24 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: > Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> >> I have php5-5.2.9 installed on my FBSD 6.3 system. I am attempting to >> use a php script that fails with: >> >> Call to undefined function simplexml_load_string() >> >> Googling suggests that this function is part of the PHP software and is >> installed by default unless built with the "--disable-simplexml" >> configure option. >> >> On my system, almost everything including PHP has been installed using >> portupgrade. I searched the ports and found one named php5-simplexml so >> I installed it and tried the script again. It still failed with the >> same error. >> >> More Googling and I found that "php -m" will show which modules are >> available. Here's that output: >> >> blacklamb> php -m >> [PHP Modules] >> ... >> SimpleXML >> ... >> >> Thus it appears that SimpleXML is available. >> >> Can anyone tell me what I'm missing? I'm lost. > > Details? > > My guess is that this is a web script that you're running via a browser, > and you didn't restart Apache after installing simplexml. Apache seems > to cache the list of installed PHP modules. > This is what I first thought when I saw this. It also may matter that because simplexml depends on xml and iconv extension=xml.so and extension=iconv.so may need to be before extension=simplexml.so in extensions.ini -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 15:48:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CE91065672 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:48:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37D28FC1C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n2FFmpl8011364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:48:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FFmodB023665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:48:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n2FFmnVc023640; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:48:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:48:49 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: cpghost Message-ID: <20090315154849.GE24875@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:48:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:48:53 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 15), cpghost said: > I've noticed that when a huge, partially or totally swapped out process > exits, there is a lot of disk activity going on, before the process truly > dies. This is not necessarily due to sync(2), because it also happens > with CPU bound processes that write very little output. > > Not sure what's really going on there, but apparently, the process reads > in pages from swap that have been paged out previously (according to > top(1)). Are you sure this is actually in _exit, and not in a cleanup function executed by the application as it exits? If there is a large linked list, for example, and the author has decided to actually free the list before exiting instead of just letting it disappear when the process exits, each swapped-out page will have to be brought back in as the list is traversed. C++ programs may have destructors doing this behind the scenes. Best way to figure out what's going on is to attach to the program with gdb while it's swapping, and print a stack trace. Also, since you mentioned a "totally swapped out" process exiting, are you terminating it externally with kill -9? It may be writing a core dump, which will force the kernel to pull back swapped-out pages to write them to the core file. > Couldn't this be avoided and the paged out pages simply discarded > without reading them back in? Or do those pages contain necessary > data at this point (page directories etc.)? -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 15:53:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF9D106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaime@snowmoon.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF918FC19 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jaime@snowmoon.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1508531qwe.7 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.10.211 with SMTP id q19mr4316101qaq.384.1237131110732; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jaime To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MSI "nettop" supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:53:07 -0000 I'm considering getting one of MSI's "nettop" computers to run a small server in my home. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would run FreeBSD or not? There is a model with Linux pre-installed, so I'm hopeful. I just figured I'd ask before spending a few hundred dollars. :) http://msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=Wind_Nettop_CS120&class=npc Also, I have no prior experience with FreeBSD's wifi support or using Compact Flash or SD cards. (Despite using FreeBSD since version 2.2.1!) Any pointers? Many thanks in advance to any help you guys can offer. Jaime -- "To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -- Henry David Thoreau Tone of voice in email is misunderstood 50% of the time. Source: http://www.howtoweb.com/cgi-bin/insider.pl?zone=214061 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:06:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C67106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: from maxine.cjones.org (chris.static.MT.net [206.127.66.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F928FC33 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: by maxine.cjones.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id AB8A0A27F4; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:06:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Keith Seyffarth To: Warren Block In-reply-to: (message from Warren Block on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:19:18 -0600 (MDT)) References: <20090313154130.3D96EA26DB@maxine.cjones.org> <49BA87D5.3080000@gmail.com> <20090313204825.E64BCA2718@maxine.cjones.org> <49BACEF0.8070905@gmail.com> <20090313223308.3B98CA2723@maxine.cjones.org> <49BAE3C0.9090000@gmail.com> <20090314043421.12C61A24F7@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB4762.7020405@a1poweruser.com> <20090314064658.1F188A25F3@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB57EF.2060303@a1poweruser.com> <20090314214353.54DFEA2786@maxine.cjones.org> Message-Id: <20090315160652.AB8A0A27F4@maxine.cjones.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:06:52 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: weif@weif.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:06:54 -0000 > That -k option to make is unnecessary and possibly bad. Stop using it > for now. Well, it doesn't really sound like it is *good*, but I was just trying to get X to install again. Thanks for the warning, though. > cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg > make clean OK, it cleans everything > make config-recursive > (choose configuration for everything) Should there have been some kind of user interaction here? A series of questions? A screen with boxes to X for different options? What I got was: # make config-recursive ===> Setting user-specified options for xorg-7.4 and dependencies # It took about 5 minutes, but there was no prompt for input... > make install Same problem. The syntax is a little different from make than from portinstall, but it's the same error. XORG can't install because XORG-drivers can't install because xf86-video-via can't install. > > Anyone have another suggestion? At this point, I need to get X > > installed so I can even consider a window manager. > > Instead of waiting for the ports to build, install the package: > > pkg_add -r xorg That's not working either: # pkg_add xorg pkg_add: can't stat package file 'xorg' # pkg_add -r xorg Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.0-release/Latest/xorg.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.0-release/Latest/xorg.tbz' by URL Keith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:25:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346341065672 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E498FC18 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2FGOpSD062129; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:24:52 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:24:51 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:25:27 -0000 On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:01:41 +0100 cpghost wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:27:53AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > Not sure what's really going on there, but apparently, the process > > > reads in pages from swap that have been paged out previously > > > (according to top(1)). > > > > is it your program and you are sure it's on exit? > > Every memory hungry program is concerned; and yes: it happens exactly > on exit. > > > it's because the program is writted the way it's doing a lot of things > > (probably unneeded) on exit. > > Have a look at what happens during exit: > /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:exit1() > > especially at the call to vm_waitproc(): > /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_glue.c:vm_waitproc > > which calls vmspace_exitfree(): > /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:vmspace_exitfree() > > Now, vmspace_exit() and vmspace_exitfree() ultimately call: > /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:vmspace_dofree() > > It then goes deep into the bowels of vm amd pmap, > and that's the place where the pages are paged in > again (I think). Sounds right. This is easy to demonstrate on a laptop with 160MB RAM, running a bunch of servers + X + KDE, then running Mozilla, then opening about 30 tabs of pages, many of which run vast and buggy javascript .. By this stage mozilla is about 150MB with about 60MB resident, and swap is pushing 200MB. *seriously* paging, just on flipping to another tab. Now close mozilla and watch top while it's shutting down. Go and pour yourself a cuppa, there's no hurry .. Apart from having to close each tab/window, freeing all its resources, bits of the executable itself need to be paged in to do various things, which may need to page out some more. What's amazing is that it can do that for several minutes, coming out unscathed when it finally quits! (extreme example, but a true story from a wild ebay session yesterday :) > > not exit(2) itself Well that just starts that big VM ball rolling, so to speak .. so it's a tad more complex than a program that fills memory (+ swap) then exits. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:30:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B2C106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ptkrisada@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7468FC0A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ptkrisada@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so2672307rvb.43 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Yj+CEIoUdE8mejXFG2Bg99piUVrQ6Tp8aoQ8K6HcPiY=; b=l4GBlgIo/BuiVrlOA9uavL9PX90EICo6sU9CEvaqPzBJgDexRe0JBujMv8A5CL+P56 1jww53lSk1twG+pKk14XNGOxLhElmiT5SQ4+q0+kQ2FEQ0sVN8gbdQlo6pjOhWujfkBU fCaxB3i0Hcs1fjOO+BVluQZiRj7uYplPbD6Vw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ck61cKLgJUgtiUZjyro2muEj0rGu8Bfm2WVufx+LAD8BDv2dzol1sQWluw3GMNWXrf vQHSlTPatofHfHfyHny79wva6PfE4ghs8uOQg8cYo/Kl5heN020XR3HAmnJwBeMv0BPy NnuVV9RPME26Y+biZWxDUHOtyU/xnRAJLYrKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.165.17 with SMTP id n17mr149888rve.46.1237134637711; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:30:37 +0700 Message-ID: From: Pongthep Kulkrisada To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problem with boot0cfg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:30:38 -0000 Hi All, Last week my harddisk was broken and wiped out the slice of FreeBSD 7.1R. I decided to bring back my old harddisk with 3 partitions i.e. Windows ME, Windows 2000 and a free partition. It has a menu for selecting which Windows to boot and I have tested booting them. Then I installed FreeBSD-7.1R (from CD) on the free partition and selected boot manager while installing. After completion and reboot the following options presented. F1 DOS F2 DOS F3 FreeBSD But only F3 (FreeBSD) can boot, both Windows can't boot and just hanged. The following is diagnostic. # boot0cfg -v ad0 # flag start chs type end chs offset size 1 0x00 0: 1: 1 0x0b 1023: 9:63 63 4208967 2 0x00 1023:255:63 0x07 1023: 12:63 4209030 10490445 3 0x80 1023:255:63 0xa5 1023: 15:63 14699475 18983853 version=1.0 drive=0x80 mask=0x7 ticks=182 options=packet,update,nosetdrv default_selection=F3 (Slice 3) Any suggestion would be highly appreciated. Please note that previously I used LILO for boot manager. Now I want to use only FBSD tool but I know very little about boot0cfg. Thanks, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:31:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FF91065675 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:31:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4488FC1A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:31:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A8A326BE; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:31:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:31:13 +0100 From: cpghost To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20090315163113.GA1044@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090315091301.GB1051@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090315154849.GE24875@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090315154849.GE24875@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:31:17 -0000 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:48:49AM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Mar 15), cpghost said: > > I've noticed that when a huge, partially or totally swapped out process > > exits, there is a lot of disk activity going on, before the process truly > > dies. This is not necessarily due to sync(2), because it also happens > > with CPU bound processes that write very little output. > > > > Not sure what's really going on there, but apparently, the process reads > > in pages from swap that have been paged out previously (according to > > top(1)). > > Are you sure this is actually in _exit, and not in a cleanup function > executed by the application as it exits? If there is a large linked list, > for example, and the author has decided to actually free the list before > exiting instead of just letting it disappear when the process exits, each > swapped-out page will have to be brought back in as the list is traversed. > C++ programs may have destructors doing this behind the scenes. Yes, that's quite possible. Meanwhile, I'm suspecting that free(3) is the culprit, and not the vm subsystem itself; though I was not yet able to construct a good example to be sure. And you're quite right: cleaning up paged-out linked lists or other dynamic data structures, either explicitly or via C++ destructors is also an obvious reason for swap activity. Didn't think of it first. > Best way to figure out what's going on is to attach to the program with gdb > while it's swapping, and print a stack trace. I'll try this. Very good idea. > Also, since you mentioned a "totally swapped out" process exiting, are you > terminating it externally with kill -9? It may be writing a core dump, > which will force the kernel to pull back swapped-out pages to write them to > the core file. Also an excellent point. I'm just killing them with Ctrl-C (SIGINT), which won't result in a core dump. But a core dump would also reawaken the pages, that's quite clear. > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com Thanks for all the hints. The fog is slowly lifting. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:34:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90967106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:34:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D02BB8FC16 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:34:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 493 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2009 16:34:16 -0000 Received: from 84.163.216.166 by www033.gmx.net with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:34:16 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:34:16 +0100 From: "Peter Cornelius" Message-ID: <20090315163416.257870@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #491680 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 5 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1970TQ8h5N7MTl5xlUKGZ/OX01ORJkilWSD+Xnfwv byiqoFZXQPoscksvGzi5Yd5W9BaeAFXEhe+Q== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: PByPeopTPTR+IpezNjIwoz05c2tpZMu7 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Subject: FreeBSD Networking Questions / vlan, lagg, routing, FIBs, ezjail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:34:18 -0000 Dear all, While I'm at it, I don't seem to be able to get my head around some networking items I observed (currently only vlan(4), not ng_vlan(4), if that makes a difference): - On my router, why do I have to set the base interface to promiscuous mode in order to get packets from/to my vlans through? Am I doing something wrong? Are there any implications of working this way? - On my "server", is there any way to set up individual "default" routes (to the router) for each of the vlans short of tucking the ezjails behind the vlan interfaces each into their own FIB (btw,. has anyone ever done that?)? So I'm stuck and would appreciate a hand. It probably is something pretty obvious which I persistently ignore, or something stupid I attempt to do here but I got curious now :) Thanks a lot, and All the best, Peter. -- Nur bis 16.03.! DSL-Komplettanschluss inkl. WLAN-Modem für nur 17,95 ¿/mtl. + 1 Monat gratis!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:37:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBC81065670 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 297BE8FC19 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 3625 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2009 16:11:07 -0000 Received: from 84.163.216.166 by www186.gmx.net with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:11:07 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:11:07 +0100 From: "Peter Cornelius" Message-ID: <20090315161107.258080@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #491680 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 5 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19C07MsdrFCB9ffQP6s582ivNoDzPowZUhv3tKTo7 XdCKrZGbKlY4YDFCGJNphLEr7gslIJ3aE7CQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 1F3cLbkFa0A7cMHvcjEz0jc/Njh6dA6e X-FuHaFi: 0.43 Subject: MGA(0): Unable to map BAR 0. Invalid argument (22) / X.Org Server V. 1.5.3, mga_drv V. 1.9.100, 7.1-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:37:49 -0000 Dear all, I have an odd Xorg error with a Matrox G200 card here. I have googled for it but only found dual-head installations, plus comments that it allegedly is fixed with the new FreeBSD Xorg 1.5.3 ports. However, as I still see the error, I poked about and could not find much of the changes people had suggested in the driver as unpacked from current ports. But since XFree, Xorg and the various releases are a complete miracle to me, my evaluation may just be plain wrong. So, if there was anyone knowing how to possibly fix the matter, I'd appreciate a hint (or two or so ;-)). All the best, Peter. --- [1] On the web: http://petercornelius.multiply.com/reviews/item/1 [2] uname -a: FreeBSD anton 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #2: Fri Feb 20 21:04:56 CET 2009 root@anton:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 [3] Installed Xorg ports, MGA driver xorg-7.4 xorg-apps-7.4_1 xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_3 xorg-docs-1.4,1 xorg-drivers-7.4 xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.4 xorg-fonts-7.4 xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.4 xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.4 xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.4 xorg-fonts-truetype-7.4 xorg-fonts-type1-7.4 xorg-libraries-7.4 xorg-macros-1.2.1 xorg-server-1.5.3_7,1 xf86-video-mga-1.9.100,1 [4] /var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.5.3 Release Date: 5 November 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD anton 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #2: Fri Feb 20 21:04:56 CET 2009 root@anton:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 14 March 2009 10:04:28AM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Mar 15 11:29:19 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" (**) | |-->Device "Card0" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (==) Including the default font path /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/. (**) FontPath set to: /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd' or 'mouse' will be disabled. (WW) Disabling Mouse0 (WW) Disabling Keyboard0 (II) Loader magic: 0x81bcde0 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 4.1 X.Org XInput driver : 2.1 X.Org Server Extension : 1.1 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.6 (II) Loader running on freebsd (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (--) using VT number 9 (--) PCI:*(0@1:0:0) Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP rev 3, Mem @ 0xde000000/0, 0xfedf8000/0, 0xfe000000/0, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 (II) System resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [1] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [5] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "freetype" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "record" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "dri" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdbe.so (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (==) AIGLX disabled (==) Exporting typical set of GLX visuals (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "xtrap" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libxtrap.so (II) Module xtrap: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension DEC-XTRAP (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "freetype" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/fonts//libfreetype.so (II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 2.1.0 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.6 (II) Loading font FreeType (II) LoadModule: "mga" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//mga_drv.so (II) Module mga: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.9.100 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1 (II) MGA: driver for Matrox chipsets: mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag100, mgag100 PCI, mgag200, mgag200 PCI, mgag200 SE A PCI, mgag200 SE B PCI, mgag400, mgag550 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0 (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [1] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [5] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [1] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [4] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [5] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [6] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [7] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [8] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [9] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [10] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libvgahw.so (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1 (--) MGA(0): Chipset: "mgag200" (==) MGA(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) MGA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) MGA(0): Using AGP 1x mode (==) MGA(0): Using XAA acceleration (--) MGA(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xDE000000 (--) MGA(0): MMIO registers at 0xFEDF8000 (--) MGA(0): Pseudo-DMA transfer window at 0xFE000000 (--) MGA(0): Video BIOS info block at offset 0x07540 (--) MGA(0): VideoRAM: 8192 kByte (II) MGA(0): I2C bus "DDC P1" initialized. (II) MGA(0): I2C bus "DDC P2" initialized. (II) MGA(0): Output VGA using monitor section Monitor0 (EE) MGA(0): Unable to map BAR 0. Invalid argument (22) cannot map memory for probing. (II) UnloadModule: "mga" (II) UnloadModule: "vgahw" (II) Unloading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libvgahw.so (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:42:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B697106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1148FC24 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EBE326BE; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:42:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:42:19 +0100 From: cpghost To: Ian Smith Message-ID: <20090315164219.GB1044@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:42:21 -0000 On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 03:24:51AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:01:41 +0100 cpghost wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:27:53AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > Not sure what's really going on there, but apparently, the process > > > > reads in pages from swap that have been paged out previously > > > > (according to top(1)). > > > > > > is it your program and you are sure it's on exit? > > > > Every memory hungry program is concerned; and yes: it happens exactly > > on exit. > > > > > it's because the program is writted the way it's doing a lot of things > > > (probably unneeded) on exit. > > > > Have a look at what happens during exit: > > /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:exit1() > > > > especially at the call to vm_waitproc(): > > /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_glue.c:vm_waitproc > > > > which calls vmspace_exitfree(): > > /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:vmspace_exitfree() > > > > Now, vmspace_exit() and vmspace_exitfree() ultimately call: > > /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:vmspace_dofree() > > > > It then goes deep into the bowels of vm amd pmap, > > and that's the place where the pages are paged in > > again (I think). > > Sounds right. This is easy to demonstrate on a laptop with 160MB RAM, > running a bunch of servers + X + KDE, then running Mozilla, then opening > about 30 tabs of pages, many of which run vast and buggy javascript .. > > By this stage mozilla is about 150MB with about 60MB resident, and swap > is pushing 200MB. *seriously* paging, just on flipping to another tab. > Now close mozilla and watch top while it's shutting down. Go and pour > yourself a cuppa, there's no hurry .. > > Apart from having to close each tab/window, freeing all its resources, > bits of the executable itself need to be paged in to do various things, > which may need to page out some more. What's amazing is that it can do > that for several minutes, coming out unscathed when it finally quits! Yes, that's exactly what I'm seeing. And of course, after firefox finally shuts down, everything else is also (mostly) paged out, including most of X, so it takes some time to get a fully responsive system again. It's amazing how closing a process can actually make the system even less responsive. But as Dan has pointed out, firefox et al. are probably written in such a way that they reawaken all their dynamic data structures from swap while cleaning up. There's not much one can do from the OS side to prevent this from happening. > (extreme example, but a true story from a wild ebay session yesterday :) > > > > not exit(2) itself > > Well that just starts that big VM ball rolling, so to speak .. so it's a > tad more complex than a program that fills memory (+ swap) then exits. Yup, that's obviously more complicated: C++ dtors, atexit() handlers, etc. are called at this point. VM itself seems fast enough to clean up the vm space of any process without much swap I/O (but I'm not 100% sure yet). > cheers, Ian Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:46:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C1E1065674 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miklosovic.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f164.google.com (mail-bw0-f164.google.com [209.85.218.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3FA8FC1A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miklosovic.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so3111432bwz.43 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:46:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=9f+S1NcU1kPKNjRFM+KbDM0zXyFZmzc9yd2Z+c9ErYw=; b=Uj1Iqq78cssYywFaLGpCOZSAVKy0K0R61RzaTYH2if5oGeBdXfvqZZIfaRjYaU+fm5 Tnc4tOzODPJfXIocBbHwEt3NMac/De5dj4TlmsBVrIRer4VY60A6d/gg5QTRnO0Jq8/r jQu/UDkeajKqdS51oF69qqHfUdFl+hEVqYK+k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=EBFgE/qs7NDYBkpTwq7QREiOlSHqB2z57gGcqfVEaE0F1lwdmaDfbsmqhggxjS41nA rRiJDPwUqo+KUxW5Kupc0dbnlu2QcAJyF7TqQQqz6rZnyg2sfNFUFT9FuL4ATzvC2si4 FkFpxZea2KpABxpZ1dGzwXdX4t2KV/YxN9NZ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.70.14 with SMTP id b14mr1241379bkj.31.1237134134554; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:22:14 +0100 Message-ID: From: Stefan Miklosovic To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: where is xorg located? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:46:16 -0000 hi hi all, i try to install xorg as a package like: # pkg_add -r xorg it takes a while, but only an error appears to me, it says that "Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/xorg.tbz : File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch ' ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/xorg.tbz' by URL internet connection works, of course, I ftp to ftp server and there really isnt xorg package at all. where i should install xorg package from? thx stewe ---------------- FreeBSD dexter 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #1: Fri Mar 13 16:28:53 CET 2009 root@dexter:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DEXTER i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:50:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D4F106566B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8354C8FC1A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so1599592wah.27 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7CVC2+ZINkpmYvOF1odIXTSQe/lV7X0RVwlbpWmKZVg=; b=ApEa52j9BaFc6wWos8z9PvHniMEULRTeLskow8SUU3omy8ZNa8eMZOlrFx/fDKa+Zv kyvK1X9SYIehW9Xr7qD7UF6aXzOKjELnje9kgmCKC1ugyiOANpo94rb46DPHwKU8zERn PmXAdI/5I+Bqr464FEHiOs5l/GtN3zyDP8f64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=eIHpLslrx7zzNFcxW078hhOOZ6nmSPT37t3dB4bouNZOWlWGMcRcbWQlMMyN0RqrU9 YvEm1ES3DnNWZbgAh883GGxFYk3N4ps9rViLpzTpZgCunvBA8xGq3eJ+V528dOuV5Wgw G3wt8PoQgCCEQ+Vr83IaIQupOj8KxmWOFsK7o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.182.15 with SMTP id e15mr2600479waf.148.1237135847974; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:50:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Stefan Miklosovic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: where is xorg located? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:50:49 -0000 The X system is an installation set . . . not a 3rd party package. Check installation documentation. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Miklosovic < miklosovic.freebsd@gmail.com> wrote: > hi > > hi all, > > i try to install xorg as a package like: > > # pkg_add -r xorg > > it takes a while, but only an error appears to me, it says that > > "Error: FTP Unable to get > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/xorg.tbz > : > File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) > > pkg_add: unable to fetch ' > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/xorg.tbz > ' > by URL > > internet connection works, of course, I ftp to ftp server and there really > isnt xorg package at all. > > where i should install xorg package from? > > thx > stewe > ---------------- > FreeBSD dexter 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #1: Fri Mar 13 16:28:53 CET > 2009 root@dexter:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DEXTER i386 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:53:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BC4106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FD348FC16 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 1830 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2009 16:53:12 -0000 Received: from 84.163.216.166 by www108.gmx.net with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:53:12 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:53:11 +0100 From: "Peter Cornelius" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090315165311.257860@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: To: Stefan Miklosovic , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #491680 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 5 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19wB/s7t/ZwX0wdoezePq5F0ZLV7yh0Y2iApXnQKM 8Idoopz8SdSUmkllLEVdvsbwTkOHosbxjvLw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: FlvIeo5RODB6fsrhdGRMHlQ9Ji9SWlL5 X-FuHaFi: 0.57 Cc: Subject: Re: where is xorg located? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:53:14 -0000 Hi Stefan, > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/xorg.tbz You may miss a 'All' in there, try something like fetch ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/All/xorg-7.4.tbz Regards, Peter. --- ftp> ls All/*xorg* 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||62822|) 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for '/bin/ls'. -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2456850 Jan 28 12:48 All/linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 4209 Jan 31 06:12 All/xorg-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 3179 Jan 28 20:46 All/xorg-apps-7.4_1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 179022 Jan 28 12:10 All/xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_3.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 677256 Jan 31 09:09 All/xorg-dmx-1.5.3_1,1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 5525165 Sep 18 03:41 All/xorg-docs-1.4,1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 3129 Jan 28 20:45 All/xorg-drivers-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 266275 Jan 31 06:04 All/xorg-edit-07.08.11_1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2246 Jan 28 12:52 All/xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2723 Jan 28 12:55 All/xorg-fonts-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2258 Jan 28 12:51 All/xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2255 Jan 28 12:51 All/xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2404 Jan 28 12:48 All/xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2275 Jan 28 12:47 All/xorg-fonts-truetype-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2273 Jan 28 12:50 All/xorg-fonts-type1-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 3648 Jan 28 13:59 All/xorg-libraries-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 7682 Jan 28 12:11 All/xorg-macros-1.2.1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 3017 Jan 31 06:07 All/xorg-minimal-7.4.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 553929 Jan 31 09:06 All/xorg-nestserver-1.5.3_1,1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 2070960 Jan 28 16:27 All/xorg-server-1.5.3_2,1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 636849 Jan 28 14:12 All/xorg-vfbserver-1.5.3_1,1.tbz -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 5822 Jan 31 05:08 All/xorg-wrapper-1.0_7.tbz 226 Transfer complete. -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 16:54:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5576210656F6 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: from maxine.cjones.org (chris.static.MT.net [206.127.66.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A128FC1F for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: by maxine.cjones.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 48D4EA2890; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:54:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Keith Seyffarth To: Erik Trulsson In-reply-to: <20090314215625.GA72097@owl.midgard.homeip.net> (message from Erik Trulsson on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:56:25 +0100) References: <49BA87D5.3080000@gmail.com> <20090313204825.E64BCA2718@maxine.cjones.org> <49BACEF0.8070905@gmail.com> <20090313223308.3B98CA2723@maxine.cjones.org> <49BAE3C0.9090000@gmail.com> <20090314043421.12C61A24F7@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB4762.7020405@a1poweruser.com> <20090314064658.1F188A25F3@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB57EF.2060303@a1poweruser.com> <20090314214353.54DFEA2786@maxine.cjones.org> <20090314215625.GA72097@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Message-Id: <20090315165426.48D4EA2890@maxine.cjones.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: weif@weif.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:54:28 -0000 > xorg-drivers requires the drivers it has been configured to depend on, which > does not necessarily include xf86-video-via. > Go to the xorg-drivers port and do a 'make config' to change which drivers > it will depend on. This did work to get XORG to install. Now I'm trying to get XFCE installed again, and see if I get better results. Thanks Erik. Keith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 17:07:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485061065674 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vava@solargeneration.de) Received: from greenpeace-energy.net (greenpeace-energy.net [195.34.178.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38E48FC28 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vava@solargeneration.de) Received: from [84.150.233.132] (account vava@solargeneration.de HELO [192.168.0.175]) by greenpeace-energy.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTPSA id 17355289 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:54:14 +0100 Message-ID: <49BD27D2.8040109@solargeneration.de> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:07:46 +0100 From: VAVA User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Restart caused by? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:07:58 -0000 Hello list, my fresh FreeBSD install just rebooted last night and i wonder how to find out the reason why this happened? I took a look at the log files but there was no explanation for this. Regards, Vava From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 17:42:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245BF1065674 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF6F8FC13 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FHgPuY041940; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:42:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FHgPRs041937; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:42:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:42:25 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: VAVA In-Reply-To: <49BD27D2.8040109@solargeneration.de> Message-ID: References: <49BD27D2.8040109@solargeneration.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restart caused by? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:42:39 -0000 > my fresh FreeBSD install just rebooted last night and i wonder how to > find out the reason why this happened? I took a look at the log files > but there was no explanation for this. if your logs just "cut off", it just panicked or hard-restarted. if first - look at /var/run/dmesg.boot to see if logs just contains kernel messages from last boot, or something from before. often it's hardware problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 17:44:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55281106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A468FC0A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FHiDpU041957; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:44:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FHiDUO041954; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:44:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:44:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:44:48 -0000 > Apart from having to close each tab/window, freeing all its resources, > bits of the executable itself need to be paged in to do various things, > which may need to page out some more. What's amazing is that it can do > that for several minutes, coming out unscathed when it finally quits! > > (extreme example, but a true story from a wild ebay session yesterday :) perfect example of crappy software - unfortunately most todays web browsers are coded by people that don't spend even few minutes understanding how OS works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 17:45:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB2110656E8 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778B78FC15 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FHj76o041964; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:45:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FHj7HH041961; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:45:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:45:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090315164219.GB1044@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20090315164219.GB1044@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:45:19 -0000 > > But as Dan has pointed out, firefox et al. are probably written in > such a way that they reawaken all their dynamic data structures > from swap while cleaning up. There's not much one can do from the > OS side to prevent this from happening. indeed. there are no fix for crappy software, usually written in C++. > Yup, that's obviously more complicated: C++ dtors, atexit() handlers, etc. > are called at this point. VM itself seems fast enough to clean up the > vm space of any process without much swap I/O (but I'm not 100% sure yet). yes it is From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 17:54:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BBC106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79BE8FC1C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FHsBAd042013; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:54:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FHs8ec042010; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:54:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:54:08 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:54:45 -0000 > By this stage mozilla is about 150MB with about 60MB resident, and swap > is pushing 200MB. *seriously* paging, just on flipping to another tab. > Now close mozilla and watch top while it's shutting down. Go and pour > yourself a cuppa, there's no hurry .. just tested with opera - the same. crappy software rulez ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 17:55:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDB1106568B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [66.119.213.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F418C8FC15 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from kstewart2.owt.com (kstewart2.owt.com [64.146.237.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.owt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2FHtAHM026470; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:55:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=owt.com; s=default; t=1237139713; bh=ZtojjoV1KmXIypYeRadt+HDJv8eyhOl7k1767ZCzVjs=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=PARs9jFdKxxOp D+7NrFPa8A33W+gRJ//v/vv31pArgraHxG5SvM+kqVel0AkqBOjI6/UdDXuEDfzgLqQ cY8J93XdN5B7fj2HDqS+97KaHroYXkRhCeWT0NBG01CiDJSQXSZX15xCmZmfZT6E5oE 2X/YHOv6hPAypRpIxyCoJSO8= From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:55:09 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200903141007.n2EA7tO6053641@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200903150831.n2F8VOCW041210@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200903150831.n2F8VOCW041210@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903151055.10191.kstewart@owt.com> Cc: Olivier Nicole Subject: Re: make installworld fails on RELEASE6.4 amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:55:57 -0000 On Sunday 15 March 2009 01:31:24 am Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > > I am facing a problem that I cannot solve when trying to reinstall > > wolrd on 6.4 amd 64. > > More about this issue. > > RELEASE_6.4 i386 is imune of this problem. > > I did a make -d A installworld and it seems that it is all about > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine. > > It's a link to /usr/src/sys/i386/include. This directory is created at > the first installation of FreeBSD. > > When CMOS clock is the wall clock and when one is located ahead of UTC > (Thailand is UTC+7), during the first installation of a distribution, > the machine boots with UTC=CMOS clock, hence creating the directory > hierarchy 7 hours ahead of time. > > The link /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine is created by > make buildworld, after the first boot of the newly installed system, > after the time zone has been set, so it is created with the right > time. > > If one does an installworld between the 7 hours interval, when > installing /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2, it detects that the directory > /usr/src/sys/i386/include pointed by > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine is newer than the objects > being installed, and it tries to rebuild the object. > > My wild guess is that on i386, make installworld looks at the > modification date of the link > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine; while on amd64 make > installworld looks at the modification date of the directory > /usr/src/sys/i386/include pointed by the link. Hence the different > behaviour. > > This is annoying for people leaving ahead of UTC, that will install a > new distribution, cvsup the release, build and installworld, during > the interval of 7 hours. I think that users behing UTC will not be > affected. > > What I did is: during the installation of the distrubition I set back > the CMOS clock to UTC time, and when FreeBSD was done installing from > the CD, I reset the CMOS clock to the wall clock. It worked, but it's > not very nice. > What you did is not necessary if you "adjkerntz -i" when you boot to single user mode. > I am curious to have experts opinion on the different behaviour of > make regarding the modification date of the link > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/machine. > > Best regards, > > Olivier > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 17:57:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBF810656CF for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kennaway-macbookpro.config (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A898FC1A; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:57:47 +0000 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cpghost , Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:57:49 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> By this stage mozilla is about 150MB with about 60MB resident, and swap >> is pushing 200MB. *seriously* paging, just on flipping to another tab. >> Now close mozilla and watch top while it's shutting down. Go and pour >> yourself a cuppa, there's no hurry .. > > just tested with opera - the same. crappy software rulez ;) Yes, clearly web browsers should be optimized for speed of exiting. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:12:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDDB1065670 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A744E8FC18 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pcc@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 17463 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2009 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from 84.163.216.166 by www003.gmx.net with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:12:09 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:12:09 +0100 From: "Peter Cornelius" In-Reply-To: <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20090315181209.258080@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> To: Kris Kennaway , wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl X-Authenticated: #491680 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 5 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18RNgYj7McR9j9RZmaY2BG0VlO1SyJ2ciFwmTMJQr W+COizFMZLY0S4FFOTHOETs8c3kAnn7KCbzA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: zXaPeuFTPTR+IpezNjIwzQ05c2tpZAtI X-FuHaFi: 0.79 Cc: cpghost@cordula.ws, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, smithi@nimnet.asn.au Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:12:12 -0000 > Yes, clearly web browsers should be optimized for speed of exiting. Oh, yes, definitely. But, honestly, a marginally minor resource footprint would not be bad, either. But I've got a certain feeling that this thread'll go to advocacy sooner or later :) Regards, Peter. -- Nur bis 16.03.! DSL-Komplettanschluss inkl. WLAN-Modem für nur 17,95 ¿/mtl. + 1 Monat gratis!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:14:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601671065673; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:14:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A152F8FC24; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FIDsmx042084; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:13:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FIDsMc042081; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:13:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:13:54 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:14:22 -0000 >> >> just tested with opera - the same. crappy software rulez ;) > > Yes, clearly web browsers should be optimized for speed of exiting. of other things - too From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:15:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E221065670; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCC18FC1D; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2FIEvrj042091; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:14:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2FIEvc2042088; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:14:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:14:57 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Cornelius In-Reply-To: <20090315181209.258080@gmx.net> Message-ID: References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> <20090315181209.258080@gmx.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Kris Kennaway , cpghost@cordula.ws, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, smithi@nimnet.asn.au Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:15:10 -0000 > > But, honestly, a marginally minor resource footprint would not be bad, either. > > But I've got a certain feeling that this thread'll go to advocacy sooner or later :) would be really nice about advocacy of GOOD web browser that not only exits faster, but WORKS faster. i don't know any, except links but links doesn't have CSS support From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:21:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379E7106566C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kennaway-macbookpro.config (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5908FC22; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <49BD470A.3080605@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:20:58 +0000 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cpghost , Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:21:00 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> just tested with opera - the same. crappy software rulez ;) >> >> Yes, clearly web browsers should be optimized for speed of exiting. > of other things - too > > My point is that for all your high handed judgement, you have no idea what trade-offs might be in play here ;) Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:25:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D390106564A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6978FC0A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750C133884; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:25:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:25:38 +0100 From: cpghost To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20090315182538.GA1375@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <20090316023903.T95588@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49BD419B.1040608@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:25:43 -0000 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 05:57:47PM +0000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> By this stage mozilla is about 150MB with about 60MB resident, and swap > >> is pushing 200MB. *seriously* paging, just on flipping to another tab. > >> Now close mozilla and watch top while it's shutting down. Go and pour > >> yourself a cuppa, there's no hurry .. > > > > just tested with opera - the same. crappy software rulez ;) > > Yes, clearly web browsers should be optimized for speed of exiting. That's correct. Normally systematic freeing of resources is one of the best ways to prevent memory leaks in long running programs, so it can't be too bad to free/delete all malloc-ed/new-ed chunks upon exit. But here, the opposite may be better: there should be a faster way to exit, bypassing all manual and automatic cleaners. But that's up to every single program and not OS'es business. Thanks again for all the insight. > Kris -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:30:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8301065670 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [66.119.213.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CADD8FC0C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from kstewart2.owt.com (kstewart2.owt.com [64.146.237.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.owt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2FITvZZ028153; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:29:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=owt.com; s=default; t=1237141800; bh=G4xeQzahXm8enS6pvup/n5U7k0pHqI+0bo+m6wrhjEk=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=iBGTmKcyVXrl8 L/bRx36enC10Ef8qsjRYRf9EXayi9GNvD1XhSHc4WV1BNpELw2A1FsbK1kepAE9bEmh 7PDJb4RChm6swIQOGsOubNs3i83UA4jgKfBKdWGQuvDAAUwvaqeOW+vNqSWQHGLRASH XDTCdsBP5iV3hJB/nk4a7FMU= From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:29:52 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20090315120024.E004210656DB@hub.freebsd.org> <49BD470A.3080605@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <49BD470A.3080605@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903151129.52932.kstewart@owt.com> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Kris Kennaway , cpghost , Ian Smith Subject: Re: Speeding up exit(2)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:30:36 -0000 On Sunday 15 March 2009 11:20:58 am Kris Kennaway wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> just tested with opera - the same. crappy software rulez ;) > >> > >> Yes, clearly web browsers should be optimized for speed of exiting. > > > > of other things - too > > My point is that for all your high handed judgement, you have no idea > what trade-offs might be in play here ;) > I have always felt that good web programming took that into account. When I show an image, I use a mouse action that pops up a new window. I use another mouse action that allows you click on the image window that closes it and you are back to the original window with NO network activity. It is really fast :). Kent -- kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 18:48:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C57C1065673 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04ECE8FC16 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77949BF9F; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [192.168.2.3]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 475E6164E55; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49BD4D55.4030304@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:47:49 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nightrecon@verizon.net References: <49BCFC98.3010602@mykitchentable.net> <20090315095106.d63f3564.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What Is Needed For SimpleXML Support in PHP? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:48:15 -0000 Michael Powell wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > > >> Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> >>> I have php5-5.2.9 installed on my FBSD 6.3 system. I am attempting to >>> use a php script that fails with: >>> >>> Call to undefined function simplexml_load_string() >>> >>> Googling suggests that this function is part of the PHP software and is >>> installed by default unless built with the "--disable-simplexml" >>> configure option. >>> >>> On my system, almost everything including PHP has been installed using >>> portupgrade. I searched the ports and found one named php5-simplexml so >>> I installed it and tried the script again. It still failed with the >>> same error. >>> >>> More Googling and I found that "php -m" will show which modules are >>> available. Here's that output: >>> >>> blacklamb> php -m >>> [PHP Modules] >>> ... >>> SimpleXML >>> ... >>> >>> Thus it appears that SimpleXML is available. >>> >>> Can anyone tell me what I'm missing? I'm lost. >>> >> Details? >> >> My guess is that this is a web script that you're running via a browser, >> and you didn't restart Apache after installing simplexml. Apache seems >> to cache the list of installed PHP modules. >> >> > > This is what I first thought when I saw this. It also may matter that > because simplexml depends on xml and iconv extension=xml.so and > extension=iconv.so may need to be before extension=simplexml.so in > extensions.ini Yes, specifically I was attempting to use a WordPress plugin. And although I was sure I had restarted Apache since installing php5-simplexml, I tried again. The resolved the error. I will now sit in the corner wearing my dunce cap. Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 20:34:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7339B106566B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mister.olli@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f158.google.com (mail-fx0-f158.google.com [209.85.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C9E8FC18 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:34:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mister.olli@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm2 with SMTP id 2so3126428fxm.43 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:34:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8K91fSwNpyNFrYblDpogVuU3Uty9/3JcRZwBQ/46Zwk=; b=c/KMITbU3AbDFAIIQghjP+5uJf9UwmmCsEIMCeiOpshnAO2ksTyiCyL7PSUtBWUoNV Dose4KmIZUeVHyDOM+LGntyG0CzZ5BStkcCCtk/e1ohbICAqi5vMLt5Cf9iQvOWtAD0P COlLGLHGYWZ2TtpMwSsWHZ5oCoGfKGTPFhid8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=JY+hoeEkvdvBONUxQQ6nM94qJvNE6xsXjZU5+Ocqsnz89wcaWy0k3MLc/Qpfd7ol31 IrZ3n/F2Jhj3YB4PM4C6XEUGcvIrkvfpLT7H7/1y6yaXZHyTa1tvcB7At9o3f+9fRMYM 0CCZzQ3NPi+Sl5m0kvYj3P4+232gOzRzJmmDA= Received: by 10.103.8.17 with SMTP id l17mr1797378mui.125.1237149284472; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.30.1.199? (vpn-or.studi-planet.com [78.47.172.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b9sm8841074mug.32.2009.03.15.13.34.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mister Olli To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <49BB0D5E.7080309@ibctech.ca> References: <49BB0161.3070800@ibctech.ca> <49BB0467.6090606@ibctech.ca> <20090314021827.1ada6548.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090314014535.GB94130@osiris.chen.org.nz> <49BB0D5E.7080309@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:33:22 +0100 Message-Id: <1237149202.4448.8.camel@phoenix.blechhirn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jonathan Chen Subject: Re: Execute and lock a user into a program upon login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mister.olli@googlemail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:34:46 -0000 hi... have a look here: http://docs.hp.com/en/5991-7517/ch01s04.html I think the cleanest solution would be to create a match block for your user, and apply the forcecommand within that block... -- Olli On Fr, 2009-03-13 at 21:50 -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Jonathan Chen wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 02:18:27AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > [..] > >> If the user's shell is csh (FreeBSD's standard dialog shell), you > >> could achieve the goal: > >> > >> ~/.login > >> vtysh > >> logout > >> > >> Only problem: I don't know how the shell will act when the user > >> terminates the vtysh application (^C)... > > > > Change the contents of ~/.login to: > > > > exec vtysh > > > > This overlays the shell with "vtysh". When it exits, the session will > > be closed. > > Thank you. > > This appears to be what I want. > > I was trying it with the previous setup, but I had to put the user in > the wheel group. I haven't yet figured where permissions were going astray. > > Your procedure will allow me to put the user in the wheel group for now, > knowing that logout will occur as soon as the program terminates. This > way, I can safely know it works, and make myself a note for Monday to > fix the permissions issues ;) > > Regards, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 21:27:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3391065672 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: from maxine.cjones.org (chris.static.MT.net [206.127.66.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF638FC0A for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:27:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: by maxine.cjones.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id A1E47A240F; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:27:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Keith Seyffarth To: Erik Trulsson In-reply-to: <20090314215625.GA72097@owl.midgard.homeip.net> (message from Erik Trulsson on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:56:25 +0100) References: <49BA87D5.3080000@gmail.com> <20090313204825.E64BCA2718@maxine.cjones.org> <49BACEF0.8070905@gmail.com> <20090313223308.3B98CA2723@maxine.cjones.org> <49BAE3C0.9090000@gmail.com> <20090314043421.12C61A24F7@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB4762.7020405@a1poweruser.com> <20090314064658.1F188A25F3@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB57EF.2060303@a1poweruser.com> <20090314214353.54DFEA2786@maxine.cjones.org> <20090314215625.GA72097@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Message-Id: <20090315212730.A1E47A240F@maxine.cjones.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: weif@weif.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:27:32 -0000 Well, I finally got XORG to install again, and then installed XFCE 4.6. Still no menus, and huge screen resolution. However, Ctl-Alt-[Keypad Minus] will zoom in on part of the desktop area, making text at least readable on screen. Any other suggestions on getting XFCE to have its menu again? Or on just manually a) launching the settings manager, or b) editing the settings manually? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 22:12:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D04106568C for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:12:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f166.google.com (mail-ew0-f166.google.com [209.85.219.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA32A8FC1B for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so3413287ewy.43 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:12:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KEaJRl7SWufKw7FsUNqLlxBt4aPfbbnn+Nit2Z/AlWY=; b=WK8hDvdWst4MkH7T8mGvkti9OhmD++eI3PWWLC+62LhLQMgpUDIs2oxI1+R/Guwo2w gjqls0gUUmHxUVDYVxY3j5NBke1ZXLDwS/rDBuRv0U099SgqIcsJnTpJJvnIEhAij27K cJNDBHMT5+YohzFX+vWHVtLQJqJkBIGmnFgXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tIERVVMBE3G92CLv+NA83+xpygbie7sZAnUZZ0UCQiwfbBwGFJzq2Wx+IzbIl+KiLH NP2V+ZdySJotGqiWlPmrbJPnqCk1JhlAy+Q1lU/unQmMXVZasSk2neqA/xyNFdWf+2Ab DMDT5+OpyZzN83p+QI40sghKOswXNwsdB3kbg= Received: by 10.210.144.8 with SMTP id r8mr2977046ebd.28.1237155140067; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4466718.home.otenet.gr [94.71.104.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4925458eyg.57.2009.03.15.15.12.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49BD7D40.2080609@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:12:16 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weif@weif.net References: <49BA87D5.3080000@gmail.com> <20090313204825.E64BCA2718@maxine.cjones.org> <49BACEF0.8070905@gmail.com> <20090313223308.3B98CA2723@maxine.cjones.org> <49BAE3C0.9090000@gmail.com> <20090314043421.12C61A24F7@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB4762.7020405@a1poweruser.com> <20090314064658.1F188A25F3@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB57EF.2060303@a1poweruser.com> <20090314214353.54DFEA2786@maxine.cjones.org> <20090314215625.GA72097@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20090315212730.A1E47A240F@maxine.cjones.org> In-Reply-To: <20090315212730.A1E47A240F@maxine.cjones.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:12:24 -0000 Keith Seyffarth wrote: > Well, I finally got XORG to install again, and then installed XFCE > 4.6. Still no menus, and huge screen resolution. However, > Ctl-Alt-[Keypad Minus] will zoom in on part of the desktop area, > making text at least readable on screen. > > Any other suggestions on getting XFCE to have its menu again? Or on > just manually a) launching the settings manager, or b) editing the > settings manually? > > You could try hitting ALT+F2 and typing xfce4-settings-manager or xfce4-settings-editor to run these. As for the screen resolution, I upgraded one more machine today and it went down to 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024. This was the only machine I had had in the past to adjust resolution by using XFCE's display applet. Every other machine would start directly at the correct resolution. In the previous XFCE version, the Display applet would correctly set this, but not in 4.6. Although the correct resolution was selectable, it just resulted to a blank screen. Finally, I used xrandr to adjust the resolution. This maybe of some help to you as well: Open an Xterm or Terminal and type: xrandr You should see a list of modes. Select the desired one from the list and count from the top, starting with zero. For example, to select the third resolution from the list, type: xrandr -s 2 If this works correctly, add xrandr -s 2 & in your .xinitrc just before the exec startxfce4 part, so it starts every time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 15 23:50:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F591065741 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: from maxine.cjones.org (chris.static.mt.net [206.127.66.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A888FC12 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weif@cjones.org) Received: by maxine.cjones.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id BDAE4A196E; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Keith Seyffarth To: Manolis Kiagias In-reply-to: <49BD7D40.2080609@gmail.com> (message from Manolis Kiagias on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:12:16 +0200) References: <49BA87D5.3080000@gmail.com> <20090313204825.E64BCA2718@maxine.cjones.org> <49BACEF0.8070905@gmail.com> <20090313223308.3B98CA2723@maxine.cjones.org> <49BAE3C0.9090000@gmail.com> <20090314043421.12C61A24F7@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB4762.7020405@a1poweruser.com> <20090314064658.1F188A25F3@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB57EF.2060303@a1poweruser.com> <20090314214353.54DFEA2786@maxine.cjones.org> <20090314215625.GA72097@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20090315212730.A1E47A240F@maxine.cjones.org> <49BD7D40.2080609@gmail.com> Message-Id: <20090315235045.BDAE4A196E@maxine.cjones.org> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: weif@weif.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:50:47 -0000 > You could try hitting ALT+F2 and typing xfce4-settings-manager or > xfce4-settings-editor to run these. I was able to set some things this way, but some settings don't take (such as screen resolution). also, changing the theme to Tango didn't fix the missing icons (yes, icons-tango-0.8.1_1 and icons-tango-extras-0.1.0_1 are both installed) > As for the screen resolution, I upgraded one more machine today and it > went down to 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024. > This was the only machine I had had in the past to adjust resolution by > using XFCE's display applet. Every other machine would start directly at > the correct resolution. In the previous XFCE version, the Display applet > would correctly set this, but not in 4.6. Although the correct > resolution was selectable, it just resulted to a blank screen. > Finally, I used xrandr to adjust the resolution. This maybe of some help > to you as well: Adding xrandr to the .xinitrc file seems to have the screen resolution and flicker fixed. One other thing, though, the exit button (from the panel) now only has the option to "Quit," which is doesn't do. Fortunately, this is pretty easy to work around, just shutdown from an xterm. Keith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 16 00:00:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1526106566B for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532BE8FC08 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2G00Rt5055434; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n2G00RYE055431; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:00:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Keith Seyffarth In-Reply-To: <20090315160652.AB8A0A27F4@maxine.cjones.org> Message-ID: References: <20090313154130.3D96EA26DB@maxine.cjones.org> <49BA87D5.3080000@gmail.com> <20090313204825.E64BCA2718@maxine.cjones.org> <49BACEF0.8070905@gmail.com> <20090313223308.3B98CA2723@maxine.cjones.org> <49BAE3C0.9090000@gmail.com> <20090314043421.12C61A24F7@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB4762.7020405@a1poweruser.com> <20090314064658.1F188A25F3@maxine.cjones.org> <49BB57EF.2060303@a1poweruser.com> <20090314214353.54DFEA2786@maxine.cjones.org> <20090315160652.AB8A0A27F4@maxine.cjones.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:00:29 -0000 On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Keith Seyffarth wrote: >> cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg >> make config-recursive >> (choose con