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Date:      Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:30:35 -0600
From:      Scott Long <scottl@freebsd.org>
To:        Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>
Cc:        current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention
Message-ID:  <40C39B0B.8070102@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <20040606221330.GB97091@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net>
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Marcel Moolenaar wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 03:46:44PM -0600, Scott Long wrote:
> 
>>>As for alpha, we don't even seem to be able to degrade it to tier 2
>>>without losing face. kris@ has already stopped package builds for it
>>>for his own sake.
>>
>>It's not that there is face to loose on alpha, it's that every time
>>I announce that alpha is going to be killed unless issues X, Y, and Z
>>are fixed, someone comes along and fixes X, part of Y, and promises
>>to fix Z.
> 
> 
> I don't read anything I haven't read before. People have made promises
> before and good intentions notwithstanding, you cannot keep a project
> hostage this way. Degrade alpha and only promote it after people have
> actually demonstrated that alpha is tier 1 material after all.
> 
> 
>>At this point, I'm going to advocate that Alpha be dropped from Tier-1
>>status for 5.3 and 5-STABLE and no longer be a blocking item for
>>releases.
> 
> 
> Just *do* it. You've been advocating for way too long.
> 

There are always people with good intentions, and they often want to
find some way to help.  I appreciate this very much and I don't want
to turn them away.  We also can't make a snap decision in an afternoon
and risk missing people who have better things to do on their 
weekends/holidays than track FreeBSD mail =-) But yes, Alpha has been
languishing for too long.  I'll say it in a loud voice now:

This is the last call for Alpha.  It cannot maintain minimum tier-1 
requirements and it will be demoted for 5.3.  Unless you currently
have access to a representative selection of hardware, the knowledge
to track down platform-specific issues, the willingness to handle the
current outstanding issues, and the time to do it for the next 18
months, please accept my regrets on it. Again, while I appreciate people
who can pick away at some of the lesser issues or want to learn the
bigger things, we need a 100% maintenance and development solution.

Scott



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