From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 20 7:56:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256121530A for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id QAA11728 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:55:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id RAA36232; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:10:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990720171033.10907@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:10:33 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Oh my, penguins are a'comin': DebianBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone wake me up from this nightmare. ------- Forwarded Message From: Gary Kline Subject: Re: The project To: hamish@debian.org (Hamish Moffatt) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: debian-bsd@lists.debian.org > That's a fine idea, but my response is always: to whom would this be valuable? > What is the target audience of the "Debian GNU/FreeBSD" system? Are you hoping > to convert Debian GNU/Linux users, or FreeBSD users? > > > I started with a freshly installed FreeBSD 3.2 system. The standard > > distribution of FreeBSD sucks (IMO of course, but since this is a Debian > > Well, I'd be interested to know what you think sucks so that we can justify > our efforts in the future. I think there are some good things and some > bad things. I don't like the way that FreeBSD packages don't make an effort > to configure themselves for your system, for one thing. > > Lest we (this list) get carried away in self-flagellation or in circular debates over the GPL/BSD licenses, let's agree on the many strengths of each ``side.'' --And I do not see BSD and Linux as *sides*, but participants in the larger open-source tide, BTW. Both Debian and BSD share more good points than have opposing, I think. If the aim of a DebianBSD is to create an open-source system with a superior kernel, then the present FreeBSD effort has that. It stands up to massive loads ... And if an aim is to integrate the unqualified Best software (free or commercial), anything GNU is strictly first-rate. I think that over time (months to a few years) a DebianBSD distribution would attract newer and seasoned users from every corner. Nobody who is hardcore BSD or hardcore Debian is going to be `converted' ... and that's fine. A DBSD would shrinkwrap the best of both. gary > - -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bsd-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org -----End of forwarded message----- -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message