From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 14:20:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CDE16A452 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEB043D49 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:20:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l8so140723nzf for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:20:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mWJ08azRym9lJ/InEBle724mPbt4dJIVsaJNCaqNOeeoDcWoYscds4LLkLbWCT0RF1wGkzd1RL7myBwDcsL9hEMzWPvE5cLjHKrqwtWI4qkft9rUB7bChsNxsKk2EVZXgQydvgD3RIn2X2g2uO1rT5mv5ufCZ242ta0Dqi0JpX0= Received: by 10.37.12.78 with SMTP id p78mr1120498nzi; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.5 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:20:37 +0200 From: usleepless@gmail.com To: eoghan In-Reply-To: <4435211B.3060407@redry.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c65907$42db76c0$6401a8c0@thomas> <20060406094921.478b5cc3.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <20060406140436.GA10773@gothmog.pc> <4435211B.3060407@redry.net> Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Tom , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bill Moran Subject: Re: Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:20:39 -0000 how about one of the LiveCDs? or don't they work like knoppix/ubuntu auto configuring the most important hardware ( inputdevices, audio, video ) ? regards, usleep On 4/6/06, eoghan wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2006-04-06 09:49, Bill Moran wrote: > >> "Tom" wrote: > >>> I am just looking at Free BSD as a Windows alternative. I > >>> have a home workgroup that I am out growing and wanting to do > >>> more with, but don't want to give MS any more Hundreds of hard > >>> earned dollars. > >>> > >>> My first question is where can I find a site that will list > >>> all approved or thoroughly checked out hardware to build a > >>> "box" (motherboards, and the like). I don't have the time, or > >>> patience to get into major software conflicts or bugs. I want > >>> to follow a A to B to C box build and software setup. Is there > >>> someone (or more) to guide me through the process? Is there a > >>> website with complete and accurate information on it? Is there > >>> a "BSD for idiots" instruction book that's current? Is there a > >>> BSD project team working with manufactures and touting their > >>> successes? Help! > >> Don't use FreeBSD. I know this will be an unpopular post on > >> this list, but you've said a number of things that tell me that > >> you will be unsuccessful with FreeBSD: > >> 1) You don't seem to have any Unix experience > >> 2) You're coming from a Windows world > >> 3) You don't have time or patience > >> > >> #3 is particularly important, given #1 and #2. FreeBSD _will_ > >> take you some time to understand. It _will_ take some time and > >> effort to get it working the way you want. Since you are > >> totally new to it, it _will_ require patience. > >> > >> If you don't have time or patience to learn right now, you're > >> setting yourself up for failure. When you do have some time > >> and patience, we'll be happy to help you through your learning > >> curve. If you're looking for a fast, easy fix, you're not > >> going to find it by switching operating systems to something > >> you know nothing about. > >> > >> I've seen a number of people bash Linux and the BSDs because > >> they wanted a simple, cheap solution to Windows and did not > >> have the time or patience to work through the learning curve. > >> Unless I've misinterpreted your email and you do have some Unix > >> experience, this is not a good time to make the switch. > > > > No, this post shouldn't be unpopular on this list. > > > > * It was written in a clear, non-confrontational, civilized tone. > > * It explains why making the switch to FreeBSD may turn out badly. > > * It also makes it very clear that time and effort _is_ required. > > > > Tom, please read carefully what Bill Moran has written. Even if > > I tried, I would probably fail to put it all in better words. > > > > Then, if you decide that you _have_ the patience and time to > > switch, feel free to ask any question about FreeBSD here :) > > > > - Giorgos > > Yes, I agree. Although I had the luxury of having two machines, the > other being a mac, so I could play with unix on that. I also dumped > windows on my pc and decided on freeBSD. At first, I had trouble > installing and configuring it. But with some time and this list I am up > and running and get more and more comfortable with it each day. > So if you have a spare pc lying around, try it out on this first till > you get comfortable, and then go for it. > Eoghan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >