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Date:      Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:28:11 +0200
From:      Andrea Campi <andrea@webcom.it>
To:        The Anarcat <anarcat@anarcat.dyndns.org>
Cc:        Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>, Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com>, jkh@winston.freebsd.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org, winter@jurai.net, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, obrien@FreeBSD.org, pst@pst.org, des@ofug.org, imp@village.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/sysinstall install.c installUpgrade
Message-ID:  <20020404082811.GB47802@webcom.it>
In-Reply-To: <20020404053753.GK279@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>
References:  <200204031827.g33IR39r046085@aldan.algebra.com> <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1020403223953.81910C-100000@fledge.watson.org> <20020404053753.GK279@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>

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On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 12:37:53AM -0500, The Anarcat wrote:
> 
> For the record, I'm in favor of the .zip format. I think that with
> proper design of the package system, packages can be broken up in
> subpackages (doc, bin, non-mandatory shlibs, devel headers, etc). I
> think Debian has followed this technique and I find it quite a good
> idea. Not everyone needs headers files deployed by some packages, for
> example. By breaking up packages this way, we can probably resolve the
> space constraints issues.
> 

I know this is outside the current discussion and could degenerate in an
even worse bikeshed, so this will be my only message in this thread on the
list.

But I couldn't let this pass uncommented. Please don't head that way! One
of the things I hate most in Linux world is the way you can never be sure
what exactly is installed. Novice to intermediate users don't need and don't
want to know those details; as for power users, they know how to remove
unneeded stuff depending on their reason (security, policy, whatever). But
it seems to me that your proposal would be only based on disc space, which
as mentioned by everybody else, is a very bad reason. Re CDROM space, well,
I don't think you can seriously believe that more smaller packages with
the same content can take up LESS space than fewer bigger ones...

If we want to look at somebody else, please look at Apple, not at Linux. I
first moved to FreeBSD from Linux for the better installation and package
management, so let's not go back.

Just my e 0.02, of course.

Bye,
	Andrea


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