Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:47:30 +0200 From: Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org> To: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>, ports@freebsd.org, Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.org>, Diane Bruce <db@db.net>, Koichiro Iwao <meta@freebsd.org>, Kurt Jaeger <pi@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: category for VPN softwares? Message-ID: <20190402134730.ks2xyurcww6gjupd@ogg.in.absolight.net> In-Reply-To: <20190402133457.cbxauqhuiwelbqj7@ivaldir.net> References: <20190402032434.i5tvmzjrti6bz44s@icepick.vmeta.jp> <20190402044151.GG72200@home.opsec.eu> <20190402054219.pbibp2jxqhtwqkru@icepick.vmeta.jp> <954df870-50bb-c7c0-f559-94dd92fce3a6@freebsd.org> <CAD9iB3eRj_Sm=oxEFNkqrM-%2BQVXXNza-kLXAXTNmg%2BQLOvp=ng@mail.gmail.com> <CAP7rwcidQCWi96BmLUdDpXFB1xi8m-mh6ei1CmB4ULSDT6-EmQ@mail.gmail.com> <20190402122432.GB96855@night.db.net> <CAP7rwchxM4nXdNaQ-4nSGKSzk8yhSvpyLvq2zH_Uim9FTrfO3g@mail.gmail.com> <20190402133457.cbxauqhuiwelbqj7@ivaldir.net>
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--ye3d4ewkrc5so72i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 03:34:57PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:29:09AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:24 AM Diane Bruce <db@db.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:13:58AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:37 AM Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.org>= wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 10:58, Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Am 02.04.19 um 07:42 schrieb Koichiro Iwao: > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:41:51AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > > > > > >> Create a real category vpn and move everything to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds better! Gentoo has net-vpn category. Just FYI, Gentoo = also have > > > > > > > net-dialup category. PPP/PPPoE/L2TP softwares are put under n= et-dialup > > > > > > > but I feel that classification is too fine. At least creating= vpn or > > > > > > > net-vpn souds good. > > > > > > > > > > > > How about a new "real" category vpn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if it should be vpn or net-vpn. I feel net-vpn is > > > > > more suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and preserving the current categories > > > > > > of the ports as their additional categories (assuming that they= are in net > > > > > > vs. security for a reason). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea. > > > > > > > > Creating new categories is absolutely doable! However, we have a > > > > pretty high bar for justifying it. There's no magic number, but our > > > > (portmgr's) precedent is that the new category must, at the time of > > > > creation, be as full as other categories like it. > > > > > > > > The most important thing in the new category proposal is a > > > > comprehensive list of ports that will be moved to it. Put that into= a > > > > review or a PR and we can move forward. Fair warning though, if it's > > > > only about a dozen ports, it most likely will not be approved. > > > > > > > > My approach here is that new categories should be virtual unless the > > > > evidence for hard category is incontrovertible. > > > > > > It's far easier making a virtual category and easier to count ports. > > > e.g. https://www.freshports.org/hamradio > > > > > > We have 101 hamradio related ports with more coming... > > > korean has 43,portuguese has 15,russian has 42 although languages are= a > > > special case palm has 15 ports but whatever. ;) > > > > > > I'd be surprised if there weren't more vpn ports than 101 so why not > > > go with a virtual ports category to start with? > >=20 > > Hi Diane, > >=20 > > That's a great approach to it! AFAIK we haven't explicitly used > > virtual categories as a staging ground for hard categories, but that > > seems like a really pragmatic approach; no matter the outcome, the > > ports tree comes out ahead. > >=20 > > # Adam >=20 > Just to say, having a new "real" category will force people to rework the= ir > entry list for poudriere, reinstall things if they are using portmaster e= tc. For poudriere, it is transparent as it parses MOVED, and new physical categories add entries in there. I think it will tell you something about it too. --=20 Mathieu Arnold --ye3d4ewkrc5so72i Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEOraXidLtEhBkQLpbOkUW81GDzkgFAlyjZ/JfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDNB QjY5Nzg5RDJFRDEyMTA2NDQwQkE1QjNBNDUxNkYzNTE4M0NFNDgACgkQOkUW81GD zkhvRA/7BJ7wuye/1yl7ujEQQRW6OXjPdikAEMjwOping6tBPL1M4UeDEGh6Tdox K3XVs9cuXIe5GSjoQ2AkZgv1Juh97vXEch2jAB3qDNnns8ALyycGEabVYRI6wbyM jv0HSQGAev4wTBD43dDaxlFeOtf36Zi2qkqvXfmNS6bOlzT2nhJTsV2KMT10GRXm qbptGBfvktMJTII2Zfu9d7OUDLPy4Cy/0m7L0wgS2BLwEidI9ObdRC6xly5fmWBZ +wSW0y6BzZP7vkEgzCRSAc0/ivAjdVqTXuvQo6e9t79PJ/0WrtdF50wzfyorgs+d oOUdswuWimZhXckiTX5wlagRtTOydhx1zsRn9WuzMHLN6E6SkOp9FN+qLD0ny9o3 Bs/7h1XmjLWYZvk9nHg3FYiuRpCUziwFFsADY0xXd13y/hcvc5qpXqg8BOXYm/te hRSgQfXChl+fcGo+S6W+NeMD1spCcr/NnRrCaXJUq51FBOke3qULs+x+k+qI1RDK vmBMDQQoWe+AjTyRq8eGOtt7GDekGvjI9kqfiF/CukCORPJXaZC99p/LH/M8HQck d3yOSJD8KElcikSiUGx1YKb1ehZeh/c2K21nKr6POBkHlxeSQe+KNB3Q36JpV78J IkCPLZRnXPg09ts5+W1YEZ/NT/L2UQ009CDd0I21NXG2t/pc7Ew= =znLz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ye3d4ewkrc5so72i--
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