Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:07:23 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: XMLification of NOTES Message-ID: <20040331060723.GA44504@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <7912.1080712084@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <20040331054419.GA44221@xor.obsecurity.org> <7912.1080712084@critter.freebsd.dk>
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--ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:48:04AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <20040331054419.GA44221@xor.obsecurity.org>, Kris Kennaway wri= tes: >=20 >=20 > >Don't change the topic. XML is not required for any of that, and > >someone could just as easily write those tools without it. Similarly, > >it's just as wrong to assume that changing to XML will magically cause > >all these tools to appear. >=20 > It is true that XML is not required, but XML is the format chosen > by the developer who has actually spent time on this, so I don't > think you have a particularly strong voice to critize his choice > unless you plan to spend your own time working on this issue. >=20 > Why the f**k are we so quick to shoot our own developers in the > back in this project ? Alexey's email did not mention the existence of a prototype implementation, only possibilities for future work. Go back to my previous response to him, where I pointed out that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and if he wants people to accept the initial step he needs to also provide a sufficiently good proof of concept to justify the pain of transition and maintenance. For example, I'd love a kernel dependency checker -- you may not be aware that I spend a lot of time answering support emails from people who didn't read the comments in NOTES or GENERIC about required dependencies of things like umass (that one comes up on questions@ at least once a week). It's the "if you build it, they will come" that I don't like: as you well know, FreeBSD does not have a good history with people making partial architectural changes under the assumption that someone else will finish the job later. If Alexey carries this to completion and comes up with a useful, usable set of tools, I think that's great! Kris --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAamAbWry0BWjoQKURAtiqAKDnRDUTZXQ88HbNKmJGee6kombmRACfXW4x lilDmKt7DKfsI1l5bAmgqn4= =dZdK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH--
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