From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 31 05:37:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532B5154DEAE for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [IPv6:2607:f440::d85c:e745]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2CB96A7C6 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6D88A536E; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 01:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:37:13 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> References: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A2CB96A7C6 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org does not designate 2607:f440::d85c:e745 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mailwash31.pair.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.183,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:2607:f440::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.68)[ipnet: 2607:f440::/32(-2.75), asn: 7859(-0.60), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:37:23 -0000 I have 17 old-and-new systems running for a development LAN, wherein I = will be developing cross-platform/platform-independent GNU-licensed = software. With the more-open installations I see the logic of picking a system = AFTER picking an OS is safer in terms of driver support and general = compatibility. I've had problems with 32-bit TrueOS (aka GhostBSD) on an old Dell = Dimension 4550; likewise with Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny) on an old = HP Pavilion 6465 (p6400). My Ubuntu 16.04 desktop is running on a Dell Precision 5820 Tower, and = my Ubuntu 16.04 server is running on a Dell PowerEdge T300 server. In terms of platforming FreeBSD, I've decided to stay away from systems = of old, which have compatibility-availability-support issues galore. However, I do not want to trade in the problems of older systems which = have drivers covered for newer systems which may not as yet. So, I am pursuing the "reverse engineering " methodology by fitting a = system to an OS rather than shoehorning an OS onto a "hardcoded" system. I have my Dell account to work with and am looking for a dual internal = HDD (1TB each) workstation with 32GB memory and 1 NIC. Since it's known that NVIDIA is directly-connected to CIA shenanigans = which smells of a backdoor security breech from the get-go -- and, I see = numerous issues on FreeBSD and Ubuntu forums revolving around NVIDIA -- = I am opting for AMD graphics. I can be persuaded.... Nevertheless, I would appreciate a word from the experienced installers = (and post-install users) w/r/t their assessment of the "best fit" Dell = for a FreeBSD desktop installation (perhaps the post-PC-BSD TrueOS' or = the DesktopBSD rendering). My goal is a system whereon I can develop and test python3, pyqt5, and = sqlite3 based software. I'm uncertain whether PyCharm now officially supported/released for = FreeBSD, so if anyone has insight on that (or other quality free-to-low = cost IDEs), I'd appreciate and value your input. Thanks. I have the following $2,107.33 (every system over the cost of maximizing = ram and upsizing the internal hdd hurts) configuration in my "shopping = cart" but am still leery unless I review some "hmm", "uh-oh", and/or = "voila" comments beforehand, so that I may modify my choice(s) before = pushing a "buy" button. If you've seen systems that quite childish, and the elitist views that = feign dictatorial censoring "strength" only show cowardice and a an = embracing of ignorance, "fake" awareness, and pseudo-tolerance. So, give = me your from-the-hip truthful shots and all, even if at Dell. Sadly, = only [cr]Apple offers credit (through barclayCard) but they cann'yt = write an OS to save their SJW-converged company at all.. preferring to = fire or ban or censor criticism instead. Who needs merit anyway?! QA = only hurts bad programmers' feelings so it's bad and/or "privileged" os = some other excuse for generalized drooling. ;-) Okay, back top my starting point system: Precision 3630 Tower - VR Capable ( $1,679.00 ) = SYSTEM CFG QUERY SYSTEM CFG SELECTION ------------------------------- = ------------------------------------- Precision Workstation T3620 MT Dell Precision Tower 3620 XCTO BASE Processor 7th Gen Intel=C2=AE= Core=E2=84=A2 i7-7700 (Quad Core 3.6GHz, 4.2Ghz Turbo, 8MB, w/ HD = Graphics 630) Operating System Ubuntu Linux 16.04 Microsoft Office No Productivity = Software Chassis Options Dell Precision Tower = 3620 Up to 90% efficient 365W Chassis, v2 Video Card Integrated = Graphics included Memory 16GB 2X8GB DDR4 = 2400MHz UDIMM Non-ECC Systems Management No Out-of-Band Systems = Management Wireless No = Wireless Internal Hard Drive Configuration C2 SATA 3.5, 2 HD HDD Controller Integrated Intel SATA = Controller Boot Hard Drive 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA = Hard Drive 2nd Hard Drive 1TB, 3.5" SATA (7,200 = RPM) Hard Drive 3rd Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive 4th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive 5th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive Optical Drive 16x DVD-ROM = drive and 19-in-1 Media Card Reader Hard Drive RAID No RAID Keyboard Dell KB216 Wired = Keyboard English Black Mouse Dell MS116 Wired = Mouse Black Network Card 1Gbit NIC add-in card = (PCIe- Intel) Thunderbolt Card No Thunderbolt Add in = Card Serial Port / PS2 Adapter No Serial Port/PS2 = Adapter Power Cords US Power Cord Placemat Documentation = MUI Resource DVD Dell Precision T3620 = Resource DVD Operating System Recovery Options OS-Windows Media Not Included Energy Star Energy Star Optical Software PowerDVD = Software not included Dell Threat Protection and Endpoint Security Suite=E2=80=8B No Dell = Data Protection | Endpoint Security Suite Software Storage Volume No Raid Configuration = over 2TB Canada Ship Options Non-Canada orders only Packaging Dell Precision = Packaging Driver No Wireless LAN = Card Regulatory Label Tower 3620 = Regulatory Label DAO Documentation / Disks Safety/Environment and = Regulatory Guide (English/French Multi-language) Non-Microsoft Application Software Ubuntu Linux Cables and Dongles Video Cable, = DisplayPort-to-VGA, One VGAConnection, One Adapter UPC Label No UPC Label Hard Drive Software No Intel Technology = enabled Processor Branding = LABEL,INTEL,CI7,7,SML,KBL Stands and Mounts No Stand Hardware Support Services 5 Years ProSupport Plus with = Next Business Day Onsite Service IEEE 1394 No Firewire Card Speakers and Soundbars No External Speaker I figure it easier to re-install on an Ubuntu ws than a Windows 10 one, = esp. when I do not want to pay a fee to Mictrosoft just to erase it. Many of us would like to be so well-off to do that... most of us are = not. thanks for your suggestions, Frank frankfenderbender@council124.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 31 06:12:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A22E154EF89 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 06:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E47386B82F for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 06:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.229.77]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MulZl-1gtlvv3fDH-00rlMJ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 08:12:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 08:12:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: RW Cc: RW via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Why is Sendmail still around? 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OTOH reliable delivery relays are not that common > > > either. > > > > Yes, it's not as easy anymore... You have to fight "we know better > > than you!" providers who consider every IP from a dynamic range > > a spammer, > > They pretty much have to. Most spam is caught by simple DNS based > tests which rely on assuming that no dynamic IP addresses sends direct > to MX. In particular most blocklists can't distinguish between a spam > source and a dynamic address, because an infected machine can cause > hundreds of dynamic addresses to be listed. Don't get me wrong - I fully understand that problem. But the attitude of mail operators who seem to consider every provider except themselves a spammer who has to "prove his worth" is annoying. Pwned "Windows" PCs that send tons of spam from their dynamic IP ranges tend to "pollute" whole subnets, so if you accidentally happen to be in the same range (belonging to the same provider or not), whatever you send is considered spam. You can ask to whitelist your IP, but you'll have to do this with almost every mail provider you want to contact, and as soon as you get a new dynamic IP, rinse repeat. Having access to a static IP often helps, but still some of the problems will stay... > These days spammers put a > lot of effort into compromising vulnerable servers, sometimes this > allows their spam to pass SPF, DKIM and even DMARC. Exactly thos emechanisms, intended to _prevent_ spam, can be used by spammers, so mail providers will happily accept their spam because the sender has successfully "proven his worth". If I remember correctly, more than 90% of today's messages transmitted across the Internet is spam, and of course spammers are interested in getting the "big guns" (corporate-class servers), but having access to a distributed network of pwned "Windows" home PCs is still useful for their purposes. > In some cases a home server with an MTA configured to use a smarthost > can be a gift to a spammer if it's compromised. Definitely. That's why securing the server properly and _not_ exposing a public open relay is very important. Due to my impressions and experience, I'd say the common UNIX guy is better at this as any HPC lurking in corporate IT. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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That seems to be an anti-entrepreneurial statement. You don't have to be an atheist to appreciate FreeBSD. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 31 19:25:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE9F1569D79 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:25:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D97E68E5EB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 14930 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2019 19:25:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=3a4d.5ca11424.k1903; bh=K+a/Ec+OHYlTyDAs/uNzYMVtzUJZOVnJZzqG8KEuvNg=; b=u/gfONxylmaW7yWHJWkNaHsrKccINuwEXLQbyCHLaIuApwA6krLiHjaNZrNnvzkHLzXgRzKBk5cwRW4x8tujJJeAURpNz8WwIw0kNyyxk+5NgFi7O7lTCDHh3nt5qbfaIqACTO/4S8KAvWfOam0yj/FdBgbyWC2usWLtNNC1gXlergTZX5B2nNjxYgkBnFEw+j+n0f4/aQeStoSrdEIbdXOd0VRjSoIJOcRd4MGcJEpiwm5g4wNbWUsC00RESEXS Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 31 Mar 2019 19:25:24 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id D03DE201129F96; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: 31 Mar 2019 15:25:23 -0400 Message-Id: <20190331192523.D03DE201129F96@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd@edvax.de Subject: Re: Why is Sendmail still around? In-Reply-To: <20190330034328.2ecbd2c8.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:25:29 -0000 In article <20190330034328.2ecbd2c8.freebsd@edvax.de> you write: >Sorry, maybe I didn't write my current problem in a more >precise way: The SmartHost option (mail relay provided by >ISP) is gone, ... Are you saying your mail provider offers no submission server for its users? That's very hard to believe. If your provider is Schlund, I think you'll find the submission server at smtp.1and1.com on port 587. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 31 18:09:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3DC15676C2 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 436968BF24 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE4CBA54AE; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: desktop [install- or configur-]ation issues on Dell workstations? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Frank Fenderbender Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:09:09 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 436968BF24 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org designates 216.92.231.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.65 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:cegray.mail.pairserver.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mailwash31.pair.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:216.92.0.0/16, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[asn: 7859(-0.62), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.57)[0.570,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:09:14 -0000 In terms of platforming FreeBSD, I've decided to stay away from systems = of old, which tend towards issues of compatibility, availability, and = faded support. So, I am trying to fit a computer system to FreeBSD rather than the = usual "other way around".=20 I have a Dell account to work with so I am looking for a Dell = workstation as my FreeBSD platform. There are many ways to configure the hardware and its add-ons so I want = to try to get the "best fit" for FreeBSD desktop, running as both a = development. and compatibility-testing platform. I have seen numerous issues with NVIDIA's graphics, both on Ubuntu and = BSD discussion websites; Dell's selection set is {NVIDIA, AMD}. I'm certain that other issues, of which I hope to learn about = beforehand, can be avoided more or less, from how the FreeBSD = installation and configuration find the platform onto which it will = reside. I am asking for considerations and suggestions that you have = encountered, maybe even with Dell platforms themselves -- for good or = for bad -- so that I can best address them in selecting Dell options = ahead-of-time.=20 I will be developing and testing applications based in python3, pyqt5, = CoreData, and sqlite3. I'd appreciate and value your input. I tentatively have the following system in my Dell "shopping cart" and = want to quell my leeriness with others who have been near similar = installation, configuration, and usage criteria, so that I may modify my = cart's choice(s) before pushing a "buy" button. If anything pops out from the list below as problematic, or if a key = component is missing, I would appreciate your "heads-up". I presumed that it will be easier to clear-and-install on a system with = pre-installed Ubuntu than one with Windows 10, noting that it is = definitely cheaper.... Thanks much for your review, "frank" Precision 3630 Tower - VR Capable = SYSTEM CFG QUERY SYSTEM CFG SELECTION ------------------------------- = ------------------------------------- Precision Workstation T3620 MT Dell Precision Tower 3620 XCTO BASE Processor 7th Gen Intel=C2=AE= Core=E2=84=A2 i7-7700 (Quad Core 3.6GHz, 4.2Ghz Turbo, 8MB, w/ HD = Graphics 630) Operating System Ubuntu Linux 16.04 Microsoft Office No Productivity = Software Chassis Options Dell Precision Tower = 3620 Up to 90% efficient 365W Chassis, v2 Video Card Integrated = Graphics included Memory 16GB 2X8GB DDR4 = 2400MHz UDIMM Non-ECC Systems Management No Out-of-Band Systems = Management Wireless No = Wireless Internal Hard Drive Configuration C2 SATA 3.5, 2 HD HDD Controller Integrated Intel SATA = Controller Boot Hard Drive 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA = Hard Drive 2nd Hard Drive 1TB, 3.5" SATA (7,200 = RPM) Hard Drive 3rd Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive 4th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive 5th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive Optical Drive 16x DVD-ROM = drive and 19-in-1 Media Card Reader Hard Drive RAID No RAID Keyboard Dell KB216 Wired = Keyboard English Black Mouse Dell MS116 Wired = Mouse Black Network Card 1Gbit NIC add-in card = (PCIe- Intel) Thunderbolt Card No Thunderbolt Add in = Card Serial Port / PS2 Adapter No Serial Port/PS2 = Adapter Power Cords US Power Cord Placemat Documentation = MUI Resource DVD Dell Precision T3620 = Resource DVD Operating System Recovery Options OS-Windows Media Not Included Energy Star Energy Star Optical Software PowerDVD = Software not included Dell Threat Protection and Endpoint Security Suite=E2=80=8B No Dell = Data Protection | Endpoint Security Suite Software Storage Volume No Raid Configuration = over 2TB Canada Ship Options Non-Canada orders only Packaging Dell Precision = Packaging Driver No Wireless LAN = Card Regulatory Label Tower 3620 = Regulatory Label DAO Documentation / Disks Safety/Environment and = Regulatory Guide (English/French Multi-language) Non-Microsoft Application Software Ubuntu Linux Cables and Dongles Video Cable, = DisplayPort-to-VGA, One VGAConnection, One Adapter UPC Label No UPC Label Hard Drive Software No Intel Technology = enabled Processor Branding = LABEL,INTEL,CI7,7,SML,KBL Stands and Mounts No Stand Hardware Support Services 5 Years ProSupport Plus with = Next Business Day Onsite Service IEEE 1394 No Firewire Card Speakers and Soundbars No External Speaker From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 31 21:33:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3725156D958 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:33:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2496927CB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from Davids-MBP.tracy.holgerdanske.com ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:33:45 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:33:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:33:54 -0000 On 3/30/19 10:37 PM, Frank Fenderbender wrote: > I have 17 old-and-new systems running for a development LAN, wherein I will be developing cross-platform/platform-independent GNU-licensed software. > With the more-open installations I see the logic of picking a system AFTER picking an OS is safer in terms of driver support and general compatibility. > I've had problems with 32-bit TrueOS (aka GhostBSD) on an old Dell Dimension 4550; likewise with Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny) on an old HP Pavilion 6465 (p6400). > > My Ubuntu 16.04 desktop is running on a Dell Precision 5820 Tower, and my Ubuntu 16.04 server is running on a Dell PowerEdge T300 server. > > In terms of platforming FreeBSD, I've decided to stay away from systems of old, which have compatibility-availability-support issues galore. > However, I do not want to trade in the problems of older systems which have drivers covered for newer systems which may not as yet. > > So, I am pursuing the "reverse engineering " methodology by fitting a system to an OS rather than shoehorning an OS onto a "hardcoded" system. > > I have my Dell account to work with and am looking for a dual internal HDD (1TB each) workstation with 32GB memory and 1 NIC. > Since it's known that NVIDIA is directly-connected to CIA shenanigans which smells of a backdoor security breech from the get-go -- and, I see numerous issues on FreeBSD and Ubuntu forums revolving around NVIDIA -- I am opting for AMD graphics. I can be persuaded.... > > Nevertheless, I would appreciate a word from the experienced installers (and post-install users) w/r/t their assessment of the "best fit" Dell for a FreeBSD desktop installation (perhaps the post-PC-BSD TrueOS' or the DesktopBSD rendering). > > My goal is a system whereon I can develop and test python3, pyqt5, and sqlite3 based software. > I'm uncertain whether PyCharm now officially supported/released for FreeBSD, so if anyone has insight on that (or other quality free-to-low cost IDEs), I'd appreciate and value your input. Thanks. > > I have the following $2,107.33 (every system over the cost of maximizing ram and upsizing the internal hdd hurts) configuration in my "shopping cart" but am still leery unless I review some "hmm", "uh-oh", and/or "voila" comments beforehand, so that I may modify my choice(s) before pushing a "buy" button. > > If you've seen systems that quite childish, and the elitist views that feign dictatorial censoring "strength" only show cowardice and a an embracing of ignorance, "fake" awareness, and pseudo-tolerance. So, give me your from-the-hip truthful shots and all, even if at Dell. Sadly, only [cr]Apple offers credit (through barclayCard) but they cann'yt write an OS to save their SJW-converged company at all.. preferring to fire or ban or censor criticism instead. Who needs merit anyway?! QA only hurts bad programmers' feelings so it's bad and/or "privileged" os some other excuse for generalized drooling. ;-) > > Okay, back top my starting point system: > > Precision 3630 Tower - VR Capable ( $1,679.00 ) > > > SYSTEM CFG QUERY SYSTEM CFG SELECTION > ------------------------------- ------------------------------------- > Precision Workstation T3620 MT > Dell Precision Tower 3620 XCTO BASE > Processor 7th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-7700 (Quad Core 3.6GHz, 4.2Ghz Turbo, 8MB, w/ HD Graphics 630) > Operating System Ubuntu Linux 16.04 > Microsoft Office No Productivity Software > Chassis Options Dell Precision Tower 3620 Up to 90% efficient 365W Chassis, v2 > Video Card Integrated Graphics included > Memory 16GB 2X8GB DDR4 2400MHz UDIMM Non-ECC > Systems Management No Out-of-Band Systems Management > Wireless No Wireless > Internal Hard Drive Configuration C2 SATA 3.5, 2 HD > HDD Controller Integrated Intel SATA Controller > Boot Hard Drive 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive > 2nd Hard Drive 1TB, 3.5" SATA (7,200 RPM) Hard Drive > 3rd Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive > 4th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive > 5th Hard Drive No Additional Hard Drive > Optical Drive 16x DVD-ROM drive and 19-in-1 Media Card Reader > Hard Drive RAID No RAID > Keyboard Dell KB216 Wired Keyboard English Black > Mouse Dell MS116 Wired Mouse Black > Network Card 1Gbit NIC add-in card (PCIe- Intel) > Thunderbolt Card No Thunderbolt Add in Card > Serial Port / PS2 Adapter No Serial Port/PS2 Adapter > Power Cords US Power Cord > Placemat Documentation MUI > Resource DVD Dell Precision T3620 Resource DVD > Operating System Recovery Options OS-Windows Media Not Included > Energy Star Energy Star > Optical Software PowerDVD Software not included > Dell Threat Protection and Endpoint Security Suite​ No Dell Data Protection | Endpoint Security Suite Software > Storage Volume No Raid Configuration over 2TB > Canada Ship Options Non-Canada orders only > Packaging Dell Precision Packaging > Driver No Wireless LAN Card > Regulatory Label Tower 3620 Regulatory Label DAO > Documentation / Disks Safety/Environment and Regulatory Guide (English/French Multi-language) > Non-Microsoft Application Software Ubuntu Linux > Cables and Dongles Video Cable, DisplayPort-to-VGA, One VGAConnection, One Adapter > UPC Label No UPC Label > Hard Drive Software No Intel Technology enabled > Processor Branding LABEL,INTEL,CI7,7,SML,KBL > Stands and Mounts No Stand > Hardware Support Services 5 Years ProSupport Plus with Next Business Day Onsite Service > IEEE 1394 No Firewire Card > Speakers and Soundbars No External Speaker > > I figure it easier to re-install on an Ubuntu ws than a Windows 10 one, esp. when I do not want to pay a fee to Mictrosoft just to erase it. > Many of us would like to be so well-off to do that... most of us are not. I have a SOHO LAN with a few x86-64 machines. Over the years, I periodically attempt to build a FreeBSD graphical workstation. My most recent attempt was FreeBSD 11.2 amd64 and Xfce using a SanDisk Ultra Fit 16 GB USB 3.0 flash drive, Intel DQ67SW desktop motherboard, Core i7-2600S processor, and 2 @ 4 GB RAM (board supports up to 4 @ 8 GB). The keyboard, mouse, graphics, network, and SATA storage all worked, but the USB 3.0 ports had issues (must use USB 2.0 port). Xfce was noticeably slower and had fewer features than a Debian 9 amd64 Xfce install on the same hardware: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/products/51997/boards-and-kits/desktop-boards/intel-desktop-boards-with-intel-q67-express-chipset/intel-desktop-board-dq67sw.html The equivalent Dell product would seem to be the Optiplex 990. The mini-tower has 2 internal 3.5" drive bays, 1 Gigabit port, and 4 memory module sockets. Note that the specifications indicate 16 GB maximum memory, but STFW I see posts by people who say 32 GB works: https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/optiplex-990 I then tried booting the USB flash drive on two Intel 945G chipset desktop boards, a Dell Inspiron E1505 (945GM chipset and over-spec Intel Core 2 T7400 processor), and a mid 2015 MacBook Pro (unknown chipset, Intel Core i7-4770 processor, and Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200). X windows failed to start on all of them. I have yet to trouble-shoot, but the solution could be as simple as installing the correct graphics driver (?). The Dell Precision 3630 tower specifications you posted indicate Intel HD graphics and Ubuntu, so it should be possible to get FreeBSD, X, and a graphical desktop working on that platform. I would suggest finding an example machine, booting live FreeBSD 11.x and/or 12.x USB flash drives, and testing. Please let us know what you find. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 31 21:58:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE7C156E4A0 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F395933D1 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (adsl-108-68-162-11.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.162.11]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6A1718010 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:58:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <162715a2-dc44-0555-29b9-50ca75af46e6@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:58:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8F395933D1 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:58:31 -0000 On 3/31/19 4:33 PM, David Christensen wrote: > On 3/30/19 10:37 PM, Frank Fenderbender wrote: >> I have 17 old-and-new systems running for a development LAN, wherein I >> will be developing cross-platform/platform-independent GNU-licensed >> software. >> With the more-open installations I see the logic of picking a system >> AFTER picking an OS is safer in terms of driver support and general >> compatibility. >> I've had problems with 32-bit TrueOS (aka GhostBSD) on an old Dell >> Dimension 4550; likewise with Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny) on an old >> HP Pavilion 6465 (p6400). >> >> My Ubuntu 16.04 desktop is running on a Dell Precision 5820 Tower, and >> my Ubuntu 16.04 server is running on a Dell PowerEdge T300 server. >> >> In terms of platforming FreeBSD, I've decided to stay away from >> systems of old, which have compatibility-availability-support issues >> galore. >> However, I do not want to trade in the problems of older systems which >> have drivers covered for newer systems which may not as yet. >> >> So, I am pursuing the "reverse engineering " methodology by fitting a >> system to an OS rather than shoehorning an OS onto a "hardcoded" system. >> >> I have my Dell account to work with and am looking for a dual internal >> HDD (1TB each) workstation with 32GB memory and 1 NIC. >> Since it's known that NVIDIA is directly-connected to CIA shenanigans >> which smells of a backdoor security breech from the get-go -- and, I >> see numerous issues on FreeBSD and Ubuntu forums revolving around >> NVIDIA -- I am opting for AMD graphics. I can be persuaded.... >> >> Nevertheless, I would appreciate a word from the experienced >> installers (and post-install users) w/r/t their assessment of the >> "best fit" Dell for a FreeBSD desktop installation (perhaps the >> post-PC-BSD TrueOS' or the DesktopBSD rendering). >> >> My goal is a system whereon I can develop and test python3, pyqt5, and >> sqlite3 based software. >> I'm uncertain whether PyCharm now officially supported/released for >> FreeBSD, so if anyone has insight on that (or other quality >> free-to-low cost IDEs), I'd appreciate and value your input. Thanks. >> >> I have the following $2,107.33 (every system over the cost of >> maximizing ram and upsizing the internal hdd hurts) configuration in >> my "shopping cart" but am still leery unless I review some "hmm", >> "uh-oh", and/or "voila" comments beforehand, so that I may modify my >> choice(s) before pushing a "buy" button. >> >> If you've seen systems that quite childish, and the elitist views that >> feign dictatorial censoring "strength" only show cowardice and a an >> embracing of ignorance, "fake" awareness, and pseudo-tolerance. So, >> give me your from-the-hip truthful shots and all, even if at Dell. >> Sadly, only [cr]Apple offers credit (through barclayCard) but they >> cann'yt write an OS to save their SJW-converged company at all.. >> preferring to fire or ban or censor criticism instead. Who needs merit >> anyway?! QA only hurts bad programmers' feelings so it's bad and/or >> "privileged" os some other excuse for generalized drooling. ;-) >> >> Okay, back top my starting point system: >> >> Precision 3630 Tower - VR Capable ( $1,679.00 ) >> >> >> >> SYSTEM CFG QUERY            SYSTEM CFG SELECTION >> ------------------------------- >> ------------------------------------- >> Precision Workstation                T3620 MT >> Dell Precision Tower                 3620 XCTO BASE >> Processor                        7th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-7700 (Quad >> Core 3.6GHz, 4.2Ghz Turbo, 8MB, w/ HD Graphics 630) >> Operating System                Ubuntu Linux 16.04 >> Microsoft Office                    No Productivity Software >> Chassis Options                    Dell Precision Tower 3620 Up to 90% >> efficient 365W Chassis, v2 >> Video Card                        Integrated Graphics included >> Memory                            16GB 2X8GB DDR4 2400MHz UDIMM Non-ECC >> Systems Management            No Out-of-Band Systems Management >> Wireless                            No Wireless >> Internal Hard Drive Configuration    C2 SATA 3.5, 2 HD >> HDD Controller                    Integrated Intel SATA Controller >> Boot Hard Drive                    3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive >> 2nd Hard Drive                    1TB, 3.5" SATA (7,200 RPM) Hard Drive >> 3rd Hard Drive                    No Additional Hard Drive >> 4th Hard Drive                    No Additional Hard Drive >> 5th Hard Drive                    No Additional Hard Drive >> Optical Drive                        16x DVD-ROM drive and 19-in-1 >> Media Card Reader >> Hard Drive RAID                    No RAID >> Keyboard                        Dell KB216 Wired Keyboard English Black >> Mouse                            Dell MS116 Wired Mouse Black >> Network Card                    1Gbit NIC add-in card (PCIe- Intel) >> Thunderbolt Card                No Thunderbolt Add in Card >> Serial Port / PS2 Adapter            No Serial Port/PS2 Adapter >> Power Cords                        US Power Cord >> Placemat                        Documentation MUI >> Resource DVD                    Dell Precision T3620 Resource DVD >> Operating System Recovery Options    OS-Windows Media Not Included >> Energy Star                        Energy Star >> Optical Software                    PowerDVD Software not included >> Dell Threat Protection and Endpoint Security Suite​    No Dell Data >> Protection | Endpoint Security Suite Software >> Storage Volume                    No Raid Configuration over 2TB >> Canada Ship Options                Non-Canada orders only >> Packaging                        Dell Precision Packaging >> Driver                            No Wireless LAN Card >> Regulatory Label                    Tower 3620 Regulatory Label DAO >> Documentation / Disks            Safety/Environment and Regulatory >> Guide (English/French Multi-language) >> Non-Microsoft Application Software        Ubuntu Linux >> Cables and Dongles                Video Cable, DisplayPort-to-VGA, One >> VGAConnection, One Adapter >> UPC Label                        No UPC Label >> Hard Drive Software                No Intel Technology enabled >> Processor Branding                LABEL,INTEL,CI7,7,SML,KBL >> Stands and Mounts                No Stand >> Hardware Support Services        5 Years ProSupport Plus with Next >> Business Day Onsite Service >> IEEE 1394                        No Firewire Card >> Speakers and Soundbars            No External Speaker >> >> I figure it easier to re-install on an Ubuntu ws than a Windows 10 >> one, esp. when I do not want to pay a fee to Mictrosoft just to erase it. >> Many of us would like to be so well-off to do that... most of us are not. > > > I have a SOHO LAN with a few x86-64 machines.  Over the years, I > periodically attempt to build a FreeBSD graphical workstation.  My most > recent attempt was FreeBSD 11.2 amd64 and Xfce using a SanDisk > Ultra Fit 16 GB USB 3.0 flash drive, Intel DQ67SW desktop motherboard, > Core i7-2600S processor, and 2 @ 4 GB RAM (board supports up to 4 @ 8 > GB).  The keyboard, mouse, graphics, network, and SATA storage all > worked, but the USB 3.0 ports had issues (must use USB 2.0 port).  Xfce > was noticeably slower and had fewer features than a Debian 9 amd64 Xfce > install on the same hardware: > > https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/products/51997/boards-and-kits/desktop-boards/intel-desktop-boards-with-intel-q67-express-chipset/intel-desktop-board-dq67sw.html > > > > The equivalent Dell product would seem to be the Optiplex 990.  The > mini-tower has 2 internal 3.5" drive bays, 1 Gigabit port, and 4 memory > module sockets.  Note that the specifications indicate 16 GB maximum > memory, but STFW I see posts by people who say 32 GB works: > > https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/optiplex-990 > Unless things changed recently, with Dell you never know what you will receive inside your box. Except for what specifically is said in configuration, witth these there will be no surprise (e.g. if in configuration you chose specific Intel WiFi card, you will get that; if to the contrary you chose 802.11n WiFi card, you can get anything with matching specification, it can be ugly Broadcom BCM43xx, brilliant Atheros, ...). In the past my friend would put it this way: Dell changes chipsets almost on the daily basis. So, someone's Optiplex 990 may have come with system board ('motherboard" is common jargon for over 30 years) that supports 32GB of RAM, but yours may be not. It not only is up to memory controller which is inside the CPU case, but may depend on system board as well. Just my $0.02 Valeri > > > I then tried booting the USB flash drive on two Intel 945G chipset > desktop boards, a Dell Inspiron E1505 (945GM chipset and over-spec Intel > Core 2 T7400 processor), and a mid 2015 MacBook Pro (unknown chipset, > Intel Core i7-4770 processor, and Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200).  X > windows failed to start on all of them.  I have yet to trouble-shoot, > but the solution could be as simple as installing the correct graphics > driver (?). > > > The Dell Precision 3630 tower specifications you posted indicate Intel > HD graphics and Ubuntu, so it should be possible to get FreeBSD, X, and > a graphical desktop working on that platform.  I would suggest finding > an example machine, booting live FreeBSD 11.x and/or 12.x USB flash > drives, and testing. > > > Please let us know what you find. > > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 1 03:57:37 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03A5154E07D for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 03:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 929716E0BC for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 03:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0F48A538D; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 23:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: <162715a2-dc44-0555-29b9-50ca75af46e6@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:57:32 -0700 Cc: David Christensen , Valeri Galtsev Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <85694074-E3B1-4AC3-A742-FEB8BD4BA9B0@council124.org> References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> <162715a2-dc44-0555-29b9-50ca75af46e6@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 929716E0BC X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org designates 216.92.231.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.96 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:cegray.mail.pairserver.com]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.948,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mailwash31.pair.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.19)[-0.185,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[asn: 7859(-0.62), country: US(-0.06)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:216.92.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 03:57:37 -0000 David, Valeri: Thanks for addressing my first email, "FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell = platform suggestions?". It mysteriously took on punctuation & spelling = errors despite passing the spellchecker's "know-how".=20 So much for the AI at the core of the anti-human Transhumanism = movement.... ;-) You were kind to wade through the mistakes. Thanks. I shortened up a second email question, "desktop [install- or = configur-]ation issues on Dell workstations?", to address the same issue = but with less clutter.=20 Here's my response to your response to my first email about the = possibility of installing FreeBSD on a compatibility-tested Dell (or any = system for that matter): --- [cr]Apple, before and after their A.I.M. (Apple-IBM-Motorola) = association, was similar to "on-demand" manufacturing companies like = Dell (who fill their boxes with what is available that meets base = criteria), because they never put in enough or qualified capacitors, and = so, had a rash of supposed circuit board burnouts (which sold more = computers) which would have been alleviated by replacing $19 worth of = over-priced caps, which few these daze could ever troubleshoot, let = alone replace... what with most tech schools buzzing around the iNtel = RISC-free copper-free chipsets. I was lucky and found DT&T in Pleasanton = CA for restoring boards. So, Dell and FreeBSD sound iffy, but then, no list seems to exist = whereupon any standardized test suite has run against any documented = platforms to verify that all modules installed properly and form a = fully-working [thus, "operating"] system afterwards. That would be a = rarity for any OS these daze. [cr]Apple avoids ALL testing so that sales = are not slowed: a marketing-driven company. No class. No quality. Only = fashion walkways and gimmicks. No innovation whatsoever. Colors. Shapes. = An assembly-line of connectors to outdate predecessor systems. Constant = memory leaks. No regression testing at all. No release testing at all.=20= They would be so easy to surpass if everyone here created a = system/driver/configuration spreadsheet with "issue" hyperlinked out to = a database of verified and reproducible solutions. Has anyone seen or attempted such an undertaking. It would be have use very much like a bug-tracking system. And, with a curated list of componentry (hw and sw) it could alleviate = redundant question like my own. I am not prepared to go through another installation debug, esp. when I = have no base with which to compare. I tried and failed at FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and TrueOS server installs on my = dual-NIC, four internal 2TB HDDed server. Maybe luck, experience, or the install procedure, I "got it" with Ubuntu = the first time after trying (and painfully learning what bait not to = bite at) the BSD installs, true, but had to correct the = error-riddled/unedited/visibly-impaired/unverified/untested book by the = need-parasiting Kefa Rabah in his "The Book Everyone Has Been Waiting = For" self-anointed book, "The Ultimate Linux Ubuntu 16.04 Powered Media = Streaming & Storage Servers" (2019; 380pp).=20 I had to go back to the "100 flavors of vanilla" internet to seek a = solution from all those who did not document the systems onto which they = were installing. The sharing is wonderful, however, diseases are also shared, as are bad = science and qualifiable process methodology. The problem I had with the BSD installs was the issue of engaging the = extended installation of add-ons. Next time I shall avoid them all. None = are tested at all. It's like buying a "new" car that needs every part adjusted to all other = parts. A lifetime of tinkering that shouldn't be necessitated at all. The dependencies are never verified and neither are the version = conflicts. For starters, a "BOM" is needed that shows every file, = folder.permission, and link that SHOULD be created at install-time, and = then verifies that they did get created as intended. Secondly, with any add-on, each should also have a BOM of all = requirements and all other modules with which it may conflict. At Intel, our split development team was using two C compilers, Borland = and Microsoft, which used different clocking systems: Microsoft time = started with seconds from at 1900; Borland, like UNIX, began January 1, = 1970. That was an issue which adopted-specs would have defined & prevented (if = followed). As well, when tools were added, a DLL wasn't noticed that conflicted = with our product-defined DLLs. Whenever a feature kicked in that used = the conflicting DLL, the problem would appear. At Analogy we used BOMs and ran test suites in reproducible NT, AIX, = SunOS, Solaris, and HP-UX environments using Norton Ghost (for NT) and = equivalents for UNIX systems. The registry was defaulted after each NT = suite and the user was erased after and recreated before each UNIX run. At Network general Corporation, every install step (and check) was = documented and verified against the documentation and the reality of the = install and tests. We would run (pre-IBM, pre-Rational) versions of = Purify and PureCoverage on every supported system's code, tests, and = installs. Nothing is perfect, esp. software, so we tried to be = consistent in terms of improving the calculus of building-and-releasing. = You know, as quality approaches infinity, bugs approach zero... or so = the theory goes. ;-) Many "tolerated" issues did not exist at Tektronix or Mentor Graphics = Corporation, because they had a process integrated with the whole and = "pieces" of every product release, covering hardware, covering software, = covering partnered-code integration, covering hardware-software = integration, and finally, as a fully-integrated system of modules, = functions, and I/O. It "only" takes that first time to get it into place and then the time = saved easily allows for updates and improvement: build, acceptance, = regression, GUI, button/knob, load, voice recognition, BETA, and release = test suites, made with scripting languages (Expect, Tcl, Perl, Korn, = Bourne, Csh/Tcsh), GPIB, sed/grep/awk/cat/find built-in functions, with = results converted into both email and HTML, so that appropriate = builders, developers, and managers got notified).=20 No one by themselves has that kind of time to, so maybe we can = proactively address the proverbial-"it" as a community rather than = reactively as a list of issues. So, it can be done, and the time "in" saves so much, much time "out" = chasing bugs. The suites can be run via distributed tests run on = "standardized" systems throughout the throughout the [secured] FreeBSD = community. Because it's distributed the tests run concurrently rather = than sequentially.I'm going to be running the same set of tests on all = software I create, and so, would happily work with others to make a set = of suites that is portable for all of us to use, modify (in a = repository) for varied purposes, and document. Anyway, this time I'm installing none of the "add-ons" and following = Michael Bernal's "A Comprehensive Installation & Configuration Guide of = the BSD variants" (2018; 68pp) for its brevity and clean install.=20 Thanks to you both for your comments and suggestions. I appreciate the = effort and will document and report-on the process I use. 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It crashes at the beginning of the boot process, right after > printing this message: > > ACPI APIC TABLE: > > In the verbose mode: > ACPI APIC TABLE: > L3 cache ID shift: 4 > L2 cache ID shift: 1 > L1 cache ID shift: 1 > Core ID shift: 1 > [crashes here and nothing works, I have to restart by hand] > > It sometimes works (and one time, I even managed to install it, though it > didn't work after the first reboot), but most often it crashes. I tried to > disable AHCI in the BIOS, but that didn't work either. Checksums are OK. > Other operating systems (including FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE) work fine. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 1 08:37:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089AC1598997 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D6748BFA1 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:37:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.229.77]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mft3h-1ghsDd0fnN-00gGkf; Mon, 01 Apr 2019 10:37:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:37:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "John Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd@edvax.de Subject: Re: Why is Sendmail still around? Message-Id: <20190401103737.9b7fd688.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20190331192523.D03DE201129F96@ary.qy> References: <20190330034328.2ecbd2c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190331192523.D03DE201129F96@ary.qy> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:IH7AP/UVwCTtmttWnoTRqdFveXtAFnmstVoR/CNxHZaEnnNfI3N a/3W39CONGneaY8ofTXFKRhM/CicPq3Hvw5EcWEJHFQl19OH7Yf/bd5T+kjvwDQC6/pxBhW BVEJ63HzA+TYcBJET9HSHSs0C0DuDd1R0z7XR3Foo+SfeMEOE/OOqCeziO6sspk7Jp2NQ8C bsVSbcaZihKz6zSgnCOKQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ChJdR/4J2gQ=:0NTQQVxbZ9IU0c8ai1zarK h/Z4gcLlYIdya7GmGea01NizCKbuVSY4CX4xNxNJlp2Ln8xf0CrrpanMYBbc/S2JSlLX4m7Dt aUXCTpzlpXu7RfslrScrixzq3jn00jLznLfzbZwL6U8Dev2pqVS/UTvgzHbTVjCyOIfeEoHyW 7r1Y44xzIlJO1v44FN62fcEYGt8CZ9Z4XlZMrbxe56vUwtSNG/rAXIgz0DsHXGnl14aw3UACu o74ex526nEzsC2et8yirpRxCnKVyphuU43+s8KKkZTbSqlAmoKcos0+S3SaoawL5Tc+PzryE6 V1xnREbKJgP/ZaxstRMzYOyPga3ApZANLE6k48px8zUwLnMraXJC6Rz31aJleS5LFMe1lNqO/ LTtg4GCY4WCYU2TwuM8Trn5dZqy42IbcXIs4ftrNT/YxwJSNoblTClJ3gNaUiXYPjr1U4/XZY L4ww7zhdcFobcGvvlPG8c9lb8FIDWNCypz3hKrk+3FZON4PHnCc1t2CWF1zaDGip5dzymKcqE bU1mv83LXZ7N+AzZC70TpPifjwybSRVWUDY8FEEy8c7zgJ3XPetMF9N+9isXNJzv7JOfl7s1B R5JWpq18Ye3fKZzYAFEfElP6Sh4m5NvCZ4XpT8W2HeNxbv5gJ5D/baiSpA10Tz7XPDafhrLpT vfSPbJlyTmuZVB+OTQJDwZThkRCf1giRr4dSayT/Qe4HvM6OkTaj9W/RxPLyp4TIlgmSkzXeg DOAC1NRtFqNJllUpbWX4Cn8YUKi11NpEOY4JLpnxo4qLKbz9fFPvqEWBAcA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D6748BFA1 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.964,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 08:37:53 -0000 On 31 Mar 2019 15:25:23 -0400, John Levine wrote: > In article <20190330034328.2ecbd2c8.freebsd@edvax.de> you write: > >Sorry, maybe I didn't write my current problem in a more > >precise way: The SmartHost option (mail relay provided by > >ISP) is gone, ... > > Are you saying your mail provider offers no submission server > for its users? I didn't say that. Even worse, I stated that I now have to use the mail provider's SMTP "interactively" (through the MUA). :-) My main intention was to find a convenient (!) way to locally submit messages to sendmail (or something else) which would then do all the "outgoing mail chores" in the background. Sorry for the confusion. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Because it > has non-trivial differences between POSIX and BSD versions (which have > bitten me in the past), I use sed(1) regardless of whether ed would have > done the job. I suspect that is a common pattern. I think the aspect of POSIX-compliance is one of the main reasons that so many "old-fashioned" programs still exist in default installs of many UNIXes. UNIX books which cover UNIX in general, instead of concentrating on one specific Linux version, still often cover those "legacy tools". Yes, I just checked two: Wolfinger, Christine: Keine Angst vor UNIX. Ein Lehrbuch f=FCr Einsteiger. 5. Auflage. VDI-Verlag. D=FCsseldorf. 1991. ("Don't be afraid of UNIX - a textbook for first-time users") Gulbins, J=FCrgen & Obermayr, Karl: AIX UNIX. System V.4. Begriffe, Konzept= e, Kommandos. Springer-Verlag. Berlin, Heidelberg, New York. 1996. Sidenote: They also cover sh, csh, and ksh. And for further educational purposes, allow me to repeat that ed is the "termonology originator" of the grep command binary: g/re/p; g =3D global action, /re/ =3D regular expression, p =3D print; for every line matching /re/, perform the action "print the line". This is what grep does. Because it is what ed does. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 1 14:22:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009DB156486A for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4052571154 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.92 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hAxZV-000AJB-LC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2019 08:05:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:05:57 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [root@nk.ca: gallifrey.nk.ca monthly security run output] Message-ID: <20190401140557.GA32489@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.4 (2019-03-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4052571154 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(0.40)[gallifrey.nk.ca]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.82)[0.817,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.85)[0.850,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: doctor.nl2k.ab.ca]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.66)[0.661,0]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 14:22:04 -0000 What is the remedy? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 1 14:41:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3441565420 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB4B271FCC for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 64536 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2019 14:41:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=fc16.5ca22314.k1904; bh=2fl9q2wQqcHDxLDEv427aN3kOIvQO+EobtEOVammHOU=; b=Hemor6/FFYQvPTD6Uh0Fr5DuUbvfcI/C2qUcAQx2RKOoUt/xWNOOnvmuWhYPM3Wwl+CEIRejs9dDU7sssdl+wRYyW3NNdguv+LKRNkeTWy/g2PteMr4tpio8sDUDvG0INp/Rm+ti/Dj+ujSUqvPGz4LFwMz0IDO6SHSYj/i2iDGE0Fcg49PVwsWUJmrdN6NQekEepUw8HvzrgnLI9th4KZKGT/iAdrVMSJwqimBloKRSBp3yDa1XqXf7n8f++tgS Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 01 Apr 2019 14:41:24 -0000 Date: 1 Apr 2019 10:41:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Polytropon" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is Sendmail still around? In-Reply-To: <20190401103737.9b7fd688.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20190330034328.2ecbd2c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190331192523.D03DE201129F96@ary.qy> <20190401103737.9b7fd688.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 14:41:27 -0000 >> Are you saying your mail provider offers no submission server >> for its users? > > I didn't say that. Even worse, I stated that I now have to > use the mail provider's SMTP "interactively" (through the > MUA). :-) > > My main intention was to find a convenient (!) way to locally > submit messages to sendmail (or something else) which would > then do all the "outgoing mail chores" in the background. If your mail provider has a submission server, it is extremely easy to set up dma, which is part of the base system, to take any locally generated mail on your FreeBSD box and log into that submission server to send the mail, using it as your smarthost. As far as I know, that's all the "outgoing mail chores" there are. You should completely disable sendmail in rc.conf, like this: sendmail_submit_enable="NO" sendmail_outbound_enable="NO" sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO" I set up my FreeBSD VPS to do this in under 10 minutes. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 1 14:55:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED12F1565C81 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A40772872 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6065133C0B for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 08648156E428; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: eee-dee anyone? References: <23e162e23288d9a2e498df5f40488bb8@kathe.in> <44muld9su4.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20190330035113.65fc995f.freebsd@edvax.de> <441s2o9zrr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20190401122246.89061c15.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 10:54:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20190401122246.89061c15.freebsd@edvax.de> (Polytropon's message of "Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:22:46 +0200") Message-ID: <44k1gdydvr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7A40772872 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.906,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: be-well.ilk.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.937,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ilk.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.17)[0.171,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:23.30.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.04)[ip: (0.09), ipnet: 23.30.0.0/15(0.07), asn: 7922(0.09), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 14:55:05 -0000 Polytropon writes: > On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 10:56:40 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> Because it's described by POSIX, ed(1) is with us to stay. Because it >> has non-trivial differences between POSIX and BSD versions (which have >> bitten me in the past), I use sed(1) regardless of whether ed would have >> done the job. I suspect that is a common pattern. > > I think the aspect of POSIX-compliance is one of the main reasons > that so many "old-fashioned" programs still exist in default > installs of many UNIXes. UNIX books which cover UNIX in general, > instead of concentrating on one specific Linux version, still > often cover those "legacy tools". Yes, I just checked two: ed(1) is particularly noteworthy here, because the BSD usages were sufficiently engrained in system management practices (probably on SunOS and Solaris machines at the time) that the POSIX spec actually documents the BSD behaviour, even though it refers to the non-BSD behaviour as "POSIX." This isn't the case for most other utilities: various implementations often support lots and lots of extensions that other implementations don't, but POSIX only covers the common subset that's really portable. 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Mon, 01 Apr 2019 09:32:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mazandar Wiki Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 21:02:12 +0430 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE crashes during the boot process To: Michael Schuster Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D7B0F7694D X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=CUT0+l90; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mazandarwiki@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mazandarwiki@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.74 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.74)[ip: (-9.15), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.36), asn: 15169(-2.15), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 16:32:28 -0000 It's a laptop from 2011, it has an Intel core-i5 CPU, with 6GB of RAM, it has two video cards, the first is Intel HD 3000, and the second is NVIDIA GT 540M (supports NVIDIA Optimus), here is a link: https://www.gigabyte.com/Laptop/Q2532N#sp On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:07 AM Michael Schuster wrote: > you might get more feedback if you wrote something about the hardware > you're using. > > regards > Michael > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 10:15 PM Mazandar Wiki > wrote: > >> I'm trying to boot FreeBSD from the installation media >> (FreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img, written on an 8GB USB Flash >> Drive >> by dd(1)). It crashes at the beginning of the boot process, right after >> printing this message: >> >> ACPI APIC TABLE: >> >> In the verbose mode: >> ACPI APIC TABLE: >> L3 cache ID shift: 4 >> L2 cache ID shift: 1 >> L1 cache ID shift: 1 >> Core ID shift: 1 >> [crashes here and nothing works, I have to restart by hand] >> >> It sometimes works (and one time, I even managed to install it, though it >> didn't work after the first reboot), but most often it crashes. I tried to >> disable AHCI in the BIOS, but that didn't work either. Checksums are OK. >> Other operating systems (including FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE) work fine. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 2 06:20:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402C315589DF for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 06:20:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FFE37570D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 06:20:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x326Khaf030400 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:20:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x326Khgb030397 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:20:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:20:43 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Why is Sendmail still around? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20190330034328.2ecbd2c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190331192523.D03DE201129F96@ary.qy> <20190401103737.9b7fd688.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.fig.ol.no X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 06:20:50 -0000 On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:41-0400, John R. Levine wrote: > You should completely disable sendmail in rc.conf, like this: > > sendmail_submit_enable="NO" > sendmail_outbound_enable="NO" > sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO" This one is simpler: sendmail_enable="NONE" -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 2 06:27:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D368155906A for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 06:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4855975BD6 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 06:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75B99A538D; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 02:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: have USB 3 [support] issues been fully resolved? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: <85694074-E3B1-4AC3-A742-FEB8BD4BA9B0@council124.org> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 23:26:51 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1446C6EE-3DD7-4311-98F2-97250D4702EE@council124.org> References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> <162715a2-dc44-0555-29b9-50ca75af46e6@kicp.uchicago.edu> <85694074-E3B1-4AC3-A742-FEB8BD4BA9B0@council124.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4855975BD6 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org designates 216.92.231.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.57 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:cegray.mail.pairserver.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mailwash31.pair.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:216.92.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.917,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[asn: 7859(-0.63), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.42)[0.417,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 06:27:01 -0000 I've seen many older "issue" statements re: non-supported USB 3.x I/O. Unfortunately, there is not an immediate "resolved" status nearby those = issue postings. So, is it 'fully' resolved for newer platforms, excepting ones where no = driver updates cover older systems, perhaps with mixed USB support? thanks, frank From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 2 06:48:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75861559C6C for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 06:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8B6C76614 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 06:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94D08A538D; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 02:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NVIDIA... issues of [deep state] graphics resolved? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Frank Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 23:48:10 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E8B6C76614 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org designates 216.92.231.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:cegray.mail.pairserver.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mailwash31.pair.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:216.92.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.954,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[asn: 7859(-0.62), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.43)[0.434,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 06:48:16 -0000 I've seen many older "issue" statements re: non-supported NVIDIA = graphics systyems. For instance, on my Dell Precision 5820 Workstation, Ubuntu 16.04 = interfered with window manager logins so that it would always rest = mid-logion and come back to the same login input box. Unfortunately, there is not an immediate "resolved" status nearby those = issue postings. So, did it also occur in some ways w/r/t FreeBSD? Who knows what the independent-contracting CIA and computer-invasive = NVIDIA are really up to.: "NVIDIA, the microprocessor manufacturer that powers much of the = world=92s gaming and cloud needs, will also join hands in this unlikely = partnership between a retail giant, a government funded tech firm and = the CIA. NVIDIA will provide the deep learning training needed by the AI = system that will process billions of images collected by SpaceNet and = turn it into =93actionable intelligence.=94 - fropm = "In 2016, it was revealed that DigitalGlobe was working with CIA = chipmaker NVIDIA and Amazon Web Services to create an AI-run satellite = surveillance network known as Spacenet." -- from = I am avoiding their "graphics" systems. Is its "issue list" resolved (or better-hidden, like Microsoft's = backdoor spyware) for newer platforms? I suspect that not supporting drivers for older systems is a bit like = [cr]Apple killing off the X in MacOSX, along with all non-proprietary = security tools like Doorstop X Suite. "That would be telling." [The = Prisoner]=20 This getting "fixed" oddly seems like "fixing a dog does to the dog... = more like forcing manufactured issues resolution "code" closer to where = OS security lives? 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Kind Regards Lauren Edwards*| Sr Web Analyst.* From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 2 10:23:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3B61560569 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3074185933 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sending Tcsh to packages/ports Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 04:22:57 -0600 References: To: Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <41AAFA39-D696-4AB6-8655-8BC494E12771@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3074185933 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.29)[ip: (-0.87), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.44), asn: 209(-0.08), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.47)[-0.474,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 10:23:07 -0000 On 31 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Brian Wood wrote: > From: "@lbutlr" > >> -- >> Atheism is a non-prophet organization. > > That seems to be an anti-entrepreneurial statement. > You don't have to be an atheist to appreciate FreeBSD. You'll have to take that up with Mr George Carlin. -- I WILL NOT PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BART Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F09 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 2 10:46:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919AE1560F2F for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamisouckova@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-f176.google.com (mail-vk1-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61D9E86230 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamisouckova@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id r189so2849889vkb.0 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2019 03:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hq6ZswQ66uHrG4Z/oEoNKM8jMDZrH9rhDNCoe60DzHM=; b=WawFPiJVOItIBNoMvGZ+xNzNxjsdnTUvJZR0qfpXWP8EDY10EVRkIRvwIhJaJCkGUx +Nv89+CqFR49KFPzQrpkL2vdmS0AlyFerCFFL+pMud4QgEWY0mw1qtBRPQCiPpk3sTpy cGa2sjPENEU95gj9Vmr56p4PE2oDZEF0ab7gAoCWl+zbrAz6LEVNvJWayVFKycfecmVg irRhrlIH24x9OHGaMi9aKRcsmuhu9kY+2k4zZfzRtLAFUstg2uIkkrtFIptxfWM+8opm p3S7RFFzRJS1rsqfE82XVmYReLDVt0sQDzdVoNf8nNLsPnL/KYhn2htx3s7Lij0jKKj1 S/sQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVWLbhEai68cusnN/Ha+UqtFBEX1GXDfecPkJaJMa1FSukZU0fI ftc7tRJ0nE90wApy9d9rtr4w726HExmdhu4EKdKZ4obM X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyR2OP44r4qEz9N0asZIjWkkpj9jY6UaDMFdpdErYxpxKL6y2me+iqPuaVh8Z5VMkkSixpUKPj6V06A+E8t+5w= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:5145:: with SMTP id f66mr39899103vkb.69.1554197863070; Tue, 02 Apr 2019 02:37:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?B?S2FtaWxhIFNvdcSNa292w6E=?= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 11:37:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Getting ThinkPad OneLink+ dock to work? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 61D9E86230 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kamisouckova@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kamisouckova@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.22)[ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.88), asn: 15169(-2.15), country: US(-0.06)]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ksp.sk]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[176.221.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[kamila@ksp.sk,kamisouckova@gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[kamila@ksp.sk,kamisouckova@gmail.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 10:46:00 -0000 Hello, I am using FreeBSD on my laptop and I'm generally happy, but several things don't work. One of them is my docking station: power and USB work, but when I connect a display to the dock, it is not detected by FreeBSD. This is not a high priority for me, because I can connect my external screen directly to my laptop instead of through the dock (which works), but still, I wonder what the problem is and whether it perhaps has an easy fix. The laptop is an X1 Carbon 2016 / 4th(?) gen. The dock is a ThinkPad OneLink+ dock, so the physical interface is something proprietary. I do not know what the underlying protocol is, but USB ports and power work, so I suppose it must be either something standard (at least partially) or at least something known. The connection from the dock to the external screen is DisplayPort, and using a (mini)DisplayPort with the same screen directly from the laptop works (i.e. xrandr detects it and the screen can be used fine). The graphics card in my laptop is Intel Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520], here is the pciconfig output for it: vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x223817aa chip=0x19168086 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520]' class = display subclass = VGA This worked on the same laptop with Linux. I can no longer easily test it with Linux, because I now have only FreeBSD installed, but I could probably find someone else with the same laptop and Linux if that were useful. Any ideas on where to look? For reference, I'm pasting dmesg output after plugging in the dock below. Thank you! Kamila --------------------------------- Apr 2 11:35:01 entropy kernel: ugen0.5: at usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:01 entropy kernel: uhub1 on uhub0 Apr 2 11:35:01 entropy kernel: uhub1: on usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:01 entropy kernel: uhub1: 4 ports with 2 removable, self powered Apr 2 11:35:02 entropy power_profile[46396]: changed to 'performance' Apr 2 11:35:02 entropy kernel: ugen0.6: at usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:02 entropy kernel: uhub2 on uhub1 Apr 2 11:35:02 entropy kernel: uhub2: on usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:03 entropy kernel: uhub2: 4 ports with 2 removable, self powered Apr 2 11:35:03 entropy kernel: ugen0.7: at usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:03 entropy kernel: uhid0 on uhub2 Apr 2 11:35:03 entropy kernel: uhid0: on usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: ugen0.8: at usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0 on uhub2 Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: on usbus0 Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 96000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 88200 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 32000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 16000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 11025 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Play: 8000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Record: 48000 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Record: 44100 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Record: 32000 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Record: 22050 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Record: 16000 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Record: 11025 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: Record: 8000 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: No MIDI sequencer. Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: pcm3: on uaudio0 Apr 2 11:35:04 entropy kernel: uaudio0: HID volume keys found. 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(kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98DE8CE41 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDEB71803D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:45:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: NVIDIA... issues of [deep state] graphics resolved? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:45:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E98DE8CE41 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.73)[-0.733,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.17)[-0.168,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.324,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:46:02 -0000 Sorry about top posting. Could we stop any political discussions on technical mail list? I am on neither of your sides, still there should be other placed for discussions like that. Valeri On 4/2/19 6:46 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 23:48:10 -0700, Frank stated: > >> I've seen many older "issue" statements re: non-supported NVIDIA >> graphics systyems. For instance, on my Dell Precision 5820 >> Workstation, Ubuntu 16.04 interfered with window manager logins so >> that it would always rest mid-logion and come back to the same login >> input box. >> >> Unfortunately, there is not an immediate "resolved" status nearby >> those issue postings. So, did it also occur in some ways w/r/t FreeBSD? >> >> Who knows what the independent-contracting CIA and computer-invasive >> NVIDIA are really up to.: >> >> "NVIDIA, the microprocessor manufacturer that powers much of >> the world’s gaming and cloud needs, will also join hands in >> this unlikely partnership between a retail giant, a government >> funded tech firm and the CIA. NVIDIA will provide the deep >> learning training needed by the AI system that will process >> billions of images collected by SpaceNet and turn it into >> “actionable intelligence.” - fropm >> >> >> "In 2016, it was revealed that DigitalGlobe was working with >> CIA chipmaker NVIDIA and Amazon Web Services to create an >> AI-run satellite surveillance network known as Spacenet." -- >> from >> >> >> I am avoiding their "graphics" systems. >> Is its "issue list" resolved (or better-hidden, like Microsoft's >> backdoor spyware) for newer platforms? I suspect that not supporting >> drivers for older systems is a bit like [cr]Apple killing off the X in >> MacOSX, along with all non-proprietary security tools like Doorstop X >> Suite. "That would be telling." [The Prisoner] >> >> This getting "fixed" oddly seems like "fixing a dog does to the dog... >> more like forcing manufactured issues resolution "code" closer to >> where OS security lives? I'm not "paranoid... just experienced. >> >> thanks, >> frank > > No Frank, I would classify you as “delusional.” Of course, I do applaud > you for qualifying your statements and or conclusions by backing them > up with data you found on the always reliable Internet. > > Seriously Frank, virtually every time I hear one of these “conspiracy” > theories I just roll my eyes. Of probably the thousands I have heard > over my lifetime, from fake moon landings, assassinations labeled > suicides, etcetera, less than a dozen were accompanied by actual, > verifiable documentation. In case after case, the supporting > documentation was always some obscure web site, or “Somebody told me,” > or “Everybody knows its true,” ad Infinitum. Of course, I am sure that > in your case, you have spent months (years) using Wireshark or a tool > of your choice to inspect every bit coming in or leaving your PC, as > well as inspecting every line of available code, so that you could > factually support your conclusions. > > In any case Frank, you have a right to live your life as you choose. If > living in fear turns you on, then that is cool. Personally, I have > always required actual proof before I choose a path to follow. However, > I do want to warn you about the new danger of eating bananas. It has > been confirmed by a friend of mine who saw it on the Internet, quoted > by an unknown source, that they are implanting bananas with > microsensors that will transmit your DNA profile back to a hidden site > somewhere north of the equator. This data will be used to develop a > mind-controlling drug that can be transmitted wirelessly to your > Medulla oblongata to force mind control on you. I absolutely know this > is true. You can trust me. > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 2 21:33:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C25154ED07 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 21:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5A381403 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 21:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from Davids-MBP.tracy.holgerdanske.com ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:24:39 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <06447bee-f1d3-6967-f2af-73c68df05351@holgerdanske.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:24:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 21:33:38 -0000 On 3/31/19 2:33 PM, David Christensen wrote: > I have a SOHO LAN with a few x86-64 machines.  Over the years, I > periodically attempt to build a FreeBSD graphical workstation.  My most > recent attempt was FreeBSD 11.2 amd64 and Xfce using a SanDisk > Ultra Fit 16 GB USB 3.0 flash drive, Intel DQ67SW desktop motherboard, > Core i7-2600S processor, and 2 @ 4 GB RAM (board supports up to 4 @ 8 > GB).  The keyboard, mouse, graphics, network, and SATA storage all > worked, but the USB 3.0 ports had issues (must use USB 2.0 port). > I then tried booting the USB flash drive on two Intel 945G chipset > desktop boards, a Dell Inspiron E1505 (945GM chipset and over-spec Intel > Core 2 T7400 processor), and a mid 2015 MacBook Pro (unknown chipset, > Intel Core i7-4770 processor, and Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200).  X > windows failed to start on all of them. I did some trouble-shooting: 1. The D945GTP workstation does not seem to support booting from a USB flash drive partitioned with GPT. It does boot from a SATA SSD partitioned with MBR. (I seem to recall that it booted from a USB flash drive formatted with MBR.) Once booted, I installed and/or updated the xorg and xfce packages. Both X and Xfce work, but maximum graphics resolution seems to be 1600x1200 (monitor is 1920x1080 and this computer can do that with Debian). 2. The Inspiron laptop boots the GPT USB flash drive. Both X and Xfce work. Maximum graphics resolution seems to be 1024x768 (screen is 1280x800 and this computer can do that with Debian). The Fn+F8 (CRT/LCD) hotkey combination switches video between either the screen or the VGA port (also 1024x768 maximum), but does not drive (mirror) both simultaneously. 3. The MacBook boots the GPT USB flash drive. X does not work: Fatal server error: (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 01:33:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B681E15564DA for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 01:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=s71w=sf=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7628A262 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 01:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=s71w=sf=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44YpVY2lT8z2fjRx for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 18:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Subject: Freebsd-Update for Raspberry PI 3 Message-Id: <518CF20A-EBFF-4D57-B2AB-F1DD523FF0D1@mail.sermon-archive.info> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 18:32:53 -0700 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2B7628A262 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of srs0=s71w=sf=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=srs0=s71w=sf=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.20)[0.202,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.979,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.04)[asn: 5650(-0.14), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=s71w=sf=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=s71w=sf=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 01:33:02 -0000 Is freebsd-update not usable for Raspberry Pi? freebsd-update fetch sends: GET /12.0-RELEASE/arm64/pub.ssl HTTP/1.1 and the server responds with: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 06:03:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2D8155E5C3 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 06:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AFA7935EA for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 06:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.229.77]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MYvTs-1hOkI30Gwa-00Unr4; Wed, 03 Apr 2019 08:03:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 08:03:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? 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The D945GTP workstation does not seem to support booting from a USB > flash drive partitioned with GPT. It does boot from a SATA SSD > partitioned with MBR. (I seem to recall that it booted from a USB flash > drive formatted with MBR.) Once booted, I installed and/or updated the > xorg and xfce packages. Both X and Xfce work, but maximum graphics > resolution seems to be 1600x1200 (monitor is 1920x1080 and this computer > can do that with Debian). You can try to use a xorg.conf or an entry in xorg.conf.d/ to force a specific screen size that matches the actual physical screen size of the display, if the autodetect magic does not work properly. Use xrandr to experiment within an X session. > 2. The Inspiron laptop boots the GPT USB flash drive. Both X and Xfce > work. Maximum graphics resolution seems to be 1024x768 (screen is > 1280x800 and this computer can do that with Debian). Same here. > The Fn+F8 > (CRT/LCD) hotkey combination switches video between either the screen or > the VGA port (also 1024x768 maximum), but does not drive (mirror) both > simultaneously. This is intended. Older systems often allowed a "3 steps switching" where you could cycle through LCD / LCD+CRT / CRT. Of course there are problems when screen size and aspect ratio are different for LCD and CRT (which isn't a CRT anymore, instead if'ts another LCD with usually different parameters). There is also often a "priority selector" that selects one of the tree (or two) modes mentioned, depending on an external display being connected or not. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Please suggest the best hardware and its configuration 1. 6 HDD Connectivity 2. 32 GB RAM 3. Suggest me Which Motherboard and Processor will suit? 4. Dual Power Supply 5. Dual Cooling FAN's Kind Regards Naveena Chary Senior System Administrator Attra Infotech Private Limited 10B Electronic City Phase II, Industrial Area, Begur Bangalore - 560 100 Website : www.attra.com T: +91 080-61841000 M: +91 9731008242 [cid:CB376D97-9715-42C3-8C4D-676B3CF6A7E7] "We believe it can be done, So we make it happen" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 06:33:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6764155F5FC for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 06:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5702495069 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 06:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 14B38155F5FB; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 06:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FA0155F5FA for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 06:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2603:3023:16d:1001::c0a8:1701]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D32A95068 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 06:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x336X4JT067092; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 23:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Message-ID: <7eed699c16d7d610dad6505e2098f7d581e0d735.camel@pki2.com> Subject: Re: Customized CPU for FreeNAS From: Dennis Glatting To: "Naveena Chary (Attra)" , "questions@FreeBSD.org" Cc: "Morri Setty (Attra)" , "Narendra Nath (Attra)" Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 23:33:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: x336X4JT067092 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6D32A95068 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 06:33:19 -0000 I personally use Supermicro. YMMV. On Wed, 2019-04-03 at 06:27 +0000, Naveena Chary (Attra) wrote: > Hi Team, > > We are planning to build FREENAS in our environment and below is our > requirement. Please suggest the best hardware and its configuration > > > > 1. 6 HDD Connectivity > 2. 32 GB RAM > 3. Suggest me Which Motherboard and Processor will suit? > 4. Dual Power Supply > 5. Dual Cooling FAN's > > Kind Regards > Naveena Chary > Senior System Administrator > Attra Infotech Private Limited > 10B Electronic City Phase II, Industrial Area, Begur > Bangalore - 560 100 > Website : www.attra.com; > T: +91 080-61841000 > M: +91 9731008242 > [cid:CB376D97-9715-42C3-8C4D-676B3CF6A7E7] > "We believe it can be done, > So we make it happen" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 07:46:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043E115625D6 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 07:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D015169A4C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 07:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88600A53B5; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 03:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NVIDIA... issues of [deep state] graphics resolved? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 00:46:22 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D015169A4C X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org designates 216.92.231.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.31 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:cegray.mail.pairserver.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mailwash31.pair.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:216.92.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[asn: 7859(-0.62), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.224,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 07:46:32 -0000 I'm a senior sw engineer for 35+ years so I've seen the microsoft = spyware "conspiracy" validated, the Microsoft "conspiracy" against Corel, Wordperfect, Apple, Netscape, and Borland = all validated. The word "conspracy theory" was coined by the CIA in order to defend by = offending. It worked when so many believe only idiot professors whose claim to fame = is whoring out to the highest=20 bidder, i.e., "research facilitator" wanting an inductive endorsement of = what they are determined to "prove"=20 with repetition and codependent [authoritarian master-slave] = personalities lapping up their every ooze. Forgive myfacts when/where only faith is requiemed. It's a bad habit I = learned before the "science"=20 in "computer science" was replaced with "marketing" and/or = "weaponization". ;-) Next time, try the NVIDIA section of my email rather than fixating on = your melting snow.... ;-) On 02-April-2019, at 04:46 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 23:48:10 -0700, Frank stated: >=20 >> I've seen many older "issue" statements re: non-supported NVIDIA >> graphics systyems. For instance, on my Dell Precision 5820 >> Workstation, Ubuntu 16.04 interfered with window manager logins so >> that it would always rest mid-logion and come back to the same login >> input box. >>=20 >> Unfortunately, there is not an immediate "resolved" status nearby >> those issue postings. So, did it also occur in some ways w/r/t = FreeBSD? >>=20 >> Who knows what the independent-contracting CIA and computer-invasive >> NVIDIA are really up to.: >>=20 >> "NVIDIA, the microprocessor manufacturer that powers much of >> the world=92s gaming and cloud needs, will also join hands in >> this unlikely partnership between a retail giant, a government >> funded tech firm and the CIA. NVIDIA will provide the deep >> learning training needed by the AI system that will process >> billions of images collected by SpaceNet and turn it into >> =93actionable intelligence.=94 - fropm >> = >>=20 >> "In 2016, it was revealed that DigitalGlobe was working with >> CIA chipmaker NVIDIA and Amazon Web Services to create an >> AI-run satellite surveillance network known as Spacenet." -- >> from >> = >>=20 >> I am avoiding their "graphics" systems. >> Is its "issue list" resolved (or better-hidden, like Microsoft's >> backdoor spyware) for newer platforms? I suspect that not supporting >> drivers for older systems is a bit like [cr]Apple killing off the X = in >> MacOSX, along with all non-proprietary security tools like Doorstop X >> Suite. "That would be telling." [The Prisoner]=20 >>=20 >> This getting "fixed" oddly seems like "fixing a dog does to the = dog... >> more like forcing manufactured issues resolution "code" closer to >> where OS security lives? I'm not "paranoid... just experienced. >>=20 >> thanks, >> frank >=20 > No Frank, I would classify you as =93delusional.=94 Of course, I do = applaud > you for qualifying your statements and or conclusions by backing them > up with data you found on the always reliable Internet. >=20 > Seriously Frank, virtually every time I hear one of these =93conspiracy=94= > theories I just roll my eyes. Of probably the thousands I have heard > over my lifetime, from fake moon landings, assassinations labeled > suicides, etcetera, less than a dozen were accompanied by actual, > verifiable documentation. In case after case, the supporting > documentation was always some obscure web site, or =93Somebody told = me,=94 > or =93Everybody knows its true,=94 ad Infinitum. Of course, I am sure = that > in your case, you have spent months (years) using Wireshark or a tool > of your choice to inspect every bit coming in or leaving your PC, as > well as inspecting every line of available code, so that you could > factually support your conclusions. >=20 > In any case Frank, you have a right to live your life as you choose. = If > living in fear turns you on, then that is cool. Personally, I have > always required actual proof before I choose a path to follow. = However, > I do want to warn you about the new danger of eating bananas. It has > been confirmed by a friend of mine who saw it on the Internet, quoted > by an unknown source, that they are implanting bananas with > microsensors that will transmit your DNA profile back to a hidden site > somewhere north of the equator. This data will be used to develop a > mind-controlling drug that can be transmitted wirelessly to your > Medulla oblongata to force mind control on you. I absolutely know this > is true. You can trust me. >=20 > --=20 > Carmel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Frank frankfenderbender@council124.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 08:04:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565C6156336B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 08:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA8186AB50 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 08:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94E04A53B5; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 04:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? (sp. DC reply) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: <06447bee-f1d3-6967-f2af-73c68df05351@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 01:04:36 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> <06447bee-f1d3-6967-f2af-73c68df05351@holgerdanske.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EA8186AB50 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.976,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 08:04:39 -0000 Thanks much, David C! This type of research, unpacked from personal experience for a general = perusal, salvages from the private pains & pangs, as well as the joyous = successes, encountered while fitting releases to systems, and = vice-[re]versa. As payback for the efforts made towards pulling me towards the success = side, I will see if i can create a spreadsheet, which I'll put up on my = web = page. Its goal will roughly be to list issues based on release:hardware. = I' also like to work on a page that helps with add-on dependencies so = that collisions can be avoided and troubleshooting made a bit easier. = Any help on either page is greatly appreciated and open to different = approaches entirely. For now, I'll plan to post the additional page title(s) and url(s) = soon... and how to send in verifiable additions to elevate its coverage = (perhaps with links back to contributors for spec-test-verification = details). I'm open to how best to approach each mini-project.... best wishes, frank re: On 02-April-2019, at 02:24 PM, David Christensen wrote: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 09:47:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A871566E85 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 09:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED690701B7 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 09:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02E9BA53B5; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 05:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NVIDIA... issues of [pc] failing to bully qa Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 02:47:24 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <03527D60-B7E0-45B7-8AA5-3A113EF64115@council124.org> References: To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ED690701B7 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org designates 216.92.231.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.55 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:cegray.mail.pairserver.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mailwash31.pair.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.017,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[asn: 7859(-0.62), country: US(-0.06)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:216.92.0.0/16, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_SPACES(0.50)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 09:47:29 -0000 Also, since you pretend to "know" anything about me before labeling me = and my experiences inside your narrative, I worked on: Sniffer tools at = Network General; mac addressing & hypercube technology at Intel; = testing Lexmark printers; EDA software at Mentor Graphics, Cypress = Semiconductor, and Analogy; mainframe-terminals, graphics workstations = printers, and oscilloscopes at Tektronix. I worked on many operating systems: Apple's System7, MacOS9, MacOSX, = macOS; GNU/Linux Debian, Ubuntu; Tektronix's UTek; Sun Microsystem's = SunOS & Solaris; Hewlett-Packard's HP-UX; Digital Equipment = Corporation's VAX/VMS & Ultrix; IBM's MVS, TSO, OS/2, & AIX; Microsoft's = 3, 95, 98, 98Workgroups, NT, 2000,=20 XP, 7, 10. I worked around many people who dwarfed my knowledge and skills, but let = me learn from those failings. Envy & denial of failure were options if I = wanted to remain "correctly ignorant". So, I suggest that you lose the political correctness w/r/t facts, = because they still exist and it only makes your "emperor's clothes" = disappear faster. If I color history, it's because the rainbow of truth is not black = and/or white. The infinity of numbers lays between 0 and 1 so binary views, by = science, are limited and limiting conveniences that are extremely-narrow = views of an analog, nonlinear, asynchronous universe to appease our = human-centric views of ourselves as Red Guards v2 correcting anyone who = does not choose [only] from the set of {0,1}. We're here to hear and to share , and w/o all the other numbers = perceived by all the "blind men" (Cf, the "blind men and the elephant"), = then no elephant ( of "bug") can truly be understood, let alone = [per-/con-]ceived. We all have opinions and we all have/are moments of "T"ruth, a.k.a. = sharing our "t"ruths. If you do not comprehend mine don't attempt to assassinate me. Dig deeper. Attacks only show a cowardly ignorance hiding in dogma. I'm sure that you're more than that. Share that please. It's a bit boring hearing slanders against reasoned "truth" over and = over. It tends to expose fetish and a refusal to listen or share about the = question asked, rather swinging that off into a narrative that only = offers engagement 'off topic' as its replacement for logic, passion, = knowledge, and care. Do you have anything to share about across-platforms NVIDIA issues, or = merely tepid, paltry NPCynia (as in NPC + cynicISM) I mentioned NVIDIA's REAL WORLD affiliations because they matter in = determining if there is intent in the issues, as when Microsoft used to = code in backdoors to every released OS because their income model = included selling whatever info they could steal from the users of their = OS; they essentially invented spyware. Fact, not conspiracy. Relevant whether you divert off into character assassination and lists = of unverifiable investigations, or not.. Because intent exposes content, an integral part of the logic of "bugs", = yours also exposes your 'reason' for being on this list. If you mdid not care to assist me, then shut up. "Turn the channel". Go = read. Do something else. Why avoid NVIDIA issues just to assault my = reasonable questions about that company and the bugs they do not fix, = expecting OSs to adapt around them instead. Why? is a reasonable = question if the issues persist, and even why they existed in the first = place. Why are bugs there is a credible a question as is where are they. Who do they affect is as credible as what do they effect. I was in QA. Before that was nixed by the feigned "high tech bubble" = burst, that wiped out competition to the main players, quality mattered. Now, we have to solve what would have stopped releases before. We did refuse managers getting their "beat the deadline" bonuses because = the quality did not meet the signed-off agreements re: severity and = priority levels still existing in the code. Lowering the bar is not a = sign of increased intelligence, rather it indicates a fear of failure, = or argument, of paradox... a fear of success, of quality, of merit. So, = addressing bugs means more than scissoring them off a list, hitting a = delete button, shaking your head and crying, or calling someone names = because having a bug in your code hurts your feelings. Quality is quality. Testing reveals issues. Uncensored science is a = tool. People's views and motives are in their bugs and lowered = expectations, or in their willingness to listen to others and to the = expanded reality of "bugs". Nuff said.=20 Honestly, you pissed me off and intended to, and to all of the rest of = you, I apologize for reacting to tick-like assaults.=20 i do not apologize for the tick. Ticking is what a tick does. next time = I will call on one of our friendly visiting opposums for help (they can = kill 54,000 ticks per week). for better, frank On 02-April-2019, at 04:46 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 23:48:10 -0700, Frank stated: >=20 >> I've seen many older "issue" statements re: non-supported NVIDIA >> graphics systyems. For instance, on my Dell Precision 5820 >> Workstation, Ubuntu 16.04 interfered with window manager logins so >> that it would always rest mid-logion and come back to the same login >> input box. >>=20 >> Unfortunately, there is not an immediate "resolved" status nearby >> those issue postings. So, did it also occur in some ways w/r/t = FreeBSD? >>=20 >> Who knows what the independent-contracting CIA and computer-invasive >> NVIDIA are really up to.: >>=20 >> "NVIDIA, the microprocessor manufacturer that powers much of >> the world=92s gaming and cloud needs, will also join hands in >> this unlikely partnership between a retail giant, a government >> funded tech firm and the CIA. NVIDIA will provide the deep >> learning training needed by the AI system that will process >> billions of images collected by SpaceNet and turn it into >> =93actionable intelligence.=94 - fropm >> = >>=20 >> "In 2016, it was revealed that DigitalGlobe was working with >> CIA chipmaker NVIDIA and Amazon Web Services to create an >> AI-run satellite surveillance network known as Spacenet." -- >> from >> = >>=20 >> I am avoiding their "graphics" systems. >> Is its "issue list" resolved (or better-hidden, like Microsoft's >> backdoor spyware) for newer platforms? I suspect that not supporting >> drivers for older systems is a bit like [cr]Apple killing off the X = in >> MacOSX, along with all non-proprietary security tools like Doorstop X >> Suite. "That would be telling." [The Prisoner]=20 >>=20 >> This getting "fixed" oddly seems like "fixing a dog does to the = dog... >> more like forcing manufactured issues resolution "code" closer to >> where OS security lives? I'm not "paranoid... just experienced. >>=20 >> thanks, >> frank >=20 > No Frank, I would classify you as =93delusional.=94 Of course, I do = applaud > you for qualifying your statements and or conclusions by backing them > up with data you found on the always reliable Internet. >=20 > Seriously Frank, virtually every time I hear one of these =93conspiracy=94= > theories I just roll my eyes. Of probably the thousands I have heard > over my lifetime, from fake moon landings, assassinations labeled > suicides, etcetera, less than a dozen were accompanied by actual, > verifiable documentation. In case after case, the supporting > documentation was always some obscure web site, or =93Somebody told = me,=94 > or =93Everybody knows its true,=94 ad Infinitum. Of course, I am sure = that > in your case, you have spent months (years) using Wireshark or a tool > of your choice to inspect every bit coming in or leaving your PC, as > well as inspecting every line of available code, so that you could > factually support your conclusions. >=20 > In any case Frank, you have a right to live your life as you choose. = If > living in fear turns you on, then that is cool. Personally, I have > always required actual proof before I choose a path to follow. = However, > I do want to warn you about the new danger of eating bananas. It has > been confirmed by a friend of mine who saw it on the Internet, quoted > by an unknown source, that they are implanting bananas with > microsensors that will transmit your DNA profile back to a hidden site > somewhere north of the equator. This data will be used to develop a > mind-controlling drug that can be transmitted wirelessly to your > Medulla oblongata to force mind control on you. I absolutely know this > is true. 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Thread-Topic: NVIDIA... issues of [deep state] graphics resolved? 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The >word "conspracy theory" was coined by the CIA in order to defend by >offending. It worked when so many believe only idiot professors whose >claim to fame is whoring out to the highest bidder, i.e., "research >facilitator" wanting an inductive endorsement of what they are >determined to "prove" with repetition and codependent [authoritarian >master-slave] personalities lapping up their every ooze. Forgive >myfacts when/where only faith is requiemed. It's a bad habit I learned >before the "science" in "computer science" was replaced with >"marketing" and/or "weaponization". ;-) Again, no citations, documentation or actual proof. All you offer is just another Internet conspiracy theory. A waste of my time. Actually, I did hear from a trusted source who desires to remain anonymous, that you were working with a North Korean covert group to undermine confidence in American and European software companies and coerce vendors to offer only "Quality" Chinese products. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 19:41:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42161550E2F for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 19:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEED46A2B2 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 19:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from Davids-MBP.tracy.holgerdanske.com ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 12:40:54 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? (sp. DC reply) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> <06447bee-f1d3-6967-f2af-73c68df05351@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <33fed198-334b-99b4-aecb-4f5546ec3e11@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 12:40:53 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 19:41:02 -0000 On 4/3/19 1:04 AM, Frank Fenderbender wrote: > Thanks much, David C! > This type of research, unpacked from personal experience for a general perusal, salvages from the private pains & pangs, as well as the joyous successes, encountered while fitting releases to systems, and vice-[re]versa. > > As payback for the efforts made towards pulling me towards the success side, I will see if i can create a spreadsheet, which I'll put up on my web page. Its goal will roughly be to list issues based on release:hardware. I' also like to work on a page that helps with add-on dependencies so that collisions can be avoided and troubleshooting made a bit easier. Any help on either page is greatly appreciated and open to different approaches entirely. > > For now, I'll plan to post the additional page title(s) and url(s) soon... and how to send in verifiable additions to elevate its coverage (perhaps with links back to contributors for spec-test-verification details). > > I'm open to how best to approach each mini-project.... Finding compatible hardware and software remains a never-ending quest, especially for FOSS. Rather than building a personal solution, I would suggest contributing to some community solution. STFW I see: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/hardware.html http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page My wish-list solution would be a USB flash drive live FreeBSD distribution with a console app that runs a bunch of tests and submits reports to a central server with a searchable WWW app. The client app would include local storage and sneaker-net capabilities (for testing computers without Internet connectivity). Bonus points if one client image supported multiple architectures (I use i386 and amd64). David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 20:16:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3911551B9C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 20:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39876B83A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 20:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 79F961551B9B; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 20:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5265A1551B99 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 20:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe35.google.com (mail-vs1-xe35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7BAA6B7F7 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 20:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe35.google.com with SMTP id j184so10775446vsd.11 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2019 13:15:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DTBUUNxA4HdLdT+NgMaxAqJihBuBiqcPL93P54GGhdg=; b=JG1xG84iV/yoSQyz7mM8n+egI2ZI5BgETe7P1OWs7wJpqtiE9kS57fxnUT720kmUaB Z7LMDnIAHnpNRODCHz2B7dWp5AEoZQmeSGcJWTxzYUsCXijYYyxckYJ1bdKQR6amPmU3 LVhaW7J/VUJBdvHi0UyD2BAjuzEEYUL6QoIhHNH9ZreYV/OLnigEo2kFKNKF3juBPxIX MNDe26g4GPiBHkJ7sbZ53dRIPTzigqb3lfY70v45qDYWLm9dd6WKs0RIe7s8QZkLJ/ll Ld7fOBEFqwfYDai3pY0HI2p8Rjja09XzsVWG0ctKBIIBVERgGba1ubxGeLr9lcLNv0s+ 9Lcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DTBUUNxA4HdLdT+NgMaxAqJihBuBiqcPL93P54GGhdg=; b=YiGCP6hkjrSv8hO4kqGVr6M/9c9ywyLIXmCtkA0qnCRJqgtAfqivMCxLMVlqKhVFhY QgU/L22R/GS86xqDwd61gSIIyN2wsqrqu8/IhFRW1F86pFSRXavcDS+UfoZvM/XAUVoj EtDAOon7QZ0Q6gCFsX4K5g+dGhuCpU+x/Gqp9GHCFkgpo0ooxJGY6nwprSaDxB9VqCAF NTYEoiHnQ0ri4FUR53pCkTOV6xIu1piJ5HzuF+AfXQamxPrrZmePYt1/cK+Gh8od7z1L g8qBfoMmDdGeuLPtkJ3kk97zQFrnhRIW2fnUBdLJQDXJO7YALxQ8HacSdv59VmCH/9cY sfeg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVX9t26Pm49aSUsrXKz6JaEwKUcxyEL9IG3DOLA1ITtVwX6hEYg p+pj6j/icI8Q0YnORtBvqYefn9PAbWUZWTTQxB0m7ORg X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx8BUqiSJVLTPQ8t16kEGLoshsjb527v776KcImt3FV+VpLQ0dlfzMip0uik+WXLUi0RVVn/k6Q2RSbO0ZmgNY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3cc:: with SMTP id n12mr1711324vsq.58.1554322557799; Wed, 03 Apr 2019 13:15:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: pete wright Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 13:15:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Customized CPU for FreeNAS To: "Naveena Chary (Attra)" Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" , "Morri Setty (Attra)" , "Narendra Nath (Attra)" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C7BAA6B7F7 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 20:16:02 -0000 On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 11:29 PM Naveena Chary (Attra) < naveena.chary@attra.com.au> wrote: > Hi Team, > > We are planning to build FREENAS in our environment and below is our > requirement. Please suggest the best hardware and its configuration > > I'm not sure if they are able to deliver to Bangalore, but it is worth taking a close look at iXsystems: https://www.ixsystems.com/ -pete -- pete wright www.nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 3 22:38:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F7D1555C26 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 22:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05BEC70BB0 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 22:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from Davids-MBP.tracy.holgerdanske.com ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 15:38:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Customized CPU for FreeNAS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 15:38:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 22:38:22 -0000 On 4/2/19 11:27 PM, Naveena Chary (Attra) wrote: > Hi Team, > > We are planning to build FREENAS in our environment and below is our requirement. Please suggest the best hardware and its configuration > > > > 1. 6 HDD Connectivity > 2. 32 GB RAM > 3. Suggest me Which Motherboard and Processor will suit? > 4. Dual Power Supply > 5. Dual Cooling FAN's > > Kind Regards > Naveena Chary > Senior System Administrator > Attra Infotech Private Limited > 10B Electronic City Phase II, Industrial Area, Begur > Bangalore - 560 100 > Website : www.attra.com > T: +91 080-61841000 > M: +91 9731008242 > [cid:CB376D97-9715-42C3-8C4D-676B3CF6A7E7] > "We believe it can be done, > So we make it happen" An advantage of built-your-own is that you have a wide choice of parts and combinations. A disadvantage is that the total parts cost is often higher than an equivalent commercial-off-the-shelf product. I needed to replace my Debian 9 SOHO Samba/ CVS file server last year -- Intel D945GNT desktop board, 3.4 GHz Pentium D, 2 @ 1 GB memory modules (failed memory slot for 3rd or 4th memory module), single 3 TB desktop disc with ext4, and 1 Gigabit port. After much research and many delays, I bought a recent and lightly used Dell PowerEdge T30 for $375 on Craig's List. It came with a mini-tower case, single 290 W power supply, single rear cooling fan, half-height 5.25" DVD+-RW drive, 4 internal 3.5" drive bays, 1 @ 1 TB SATA drive, Intel Xeon E3-1225 v5 processor, 1 @ 8 GB ECC memory module, 4 SATA III ports, 1 PCIe x16 3.0 slot, 1 PCIe x16 3.0 slot (x4 speed), 1 PCIe x4 3.0 slot, 1 PCI slot, and 1 Gigabit port. I removed the 1 TB drive, added a second 8 GB ECC memory module (system supports 4 @ 16 GB), and installed 3 @ 1.5 TB SATA desktop drives. The goal was a SanDisk Ultra Fit 16 GB USB 3.0 flash drive as the system disc, encrypted swap, encrypted ZFS root, one large encrypted partition per SATA disc, and RAIDZ1 for data. I tried Debian 9 with contrib ZFS -- it ran for a while, then broken when I forced a kernel update. Then I tried FreeNAS, thinking it was FreeBSD with a nice web GUI on top -- I was wrong. Then I tried FreeBSD 11.2 -- success! This computer rocks, and should be overkill for years to come. The problem with having a computer with several discs in RAID is that you want another computer with several discs in RAID as a backup and maintenance mule for the first. So, I am currently rebuilding my old file server, keeping the ATX full-tower case, power supply, optical drive, and hot-swap bays. I found an Intel S1200V3RP motherboard with Intel E3-1225 v3 processor and 2 @ 4 GB ECC memory modules on eBay for US $110+. (I believe this motherboard has 6 SATA III ports and supports 32 GB ECC memory.) The motherboard also has an unusual 5-pin connector for communicating with the power supply; my power supply does not have the matching cable. If it works, it should be equivalent to a Dell PowerEdge T20. This approach may or may not work for you. In either case, if you plan to do disc encryption, be sure to get a processor with AES-NI. Ideally, one core per disc plus additional core(s) for everything else. You might get more/ better replies if you stated your workload/ applications/ services, number of concurrent users, compute requirements, RAM requirements, storage requirements, network requirements, etc., and the make/ model of parts you plan to re-use. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 4 06:34:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59FE1564F02 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 06:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43AD9884B5 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 06:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D8B01A547E; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 02:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: <33fed198-334b-99b4-aecb-4f5546ec3e11@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 23:34:54 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> <06447bee-f1d3-6967-f2af-73c68df05351@holgerdanske.com> <33fed198-334b-99b4-aecb-4f5546ec3e11@holgerdanske.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 43AD9884B5 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.964,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 06:34:57 -0000 DavidC: Thanks for the project connect links.=20 I will check into them on Thursday. Do folks volunteer with an 'existing' effort that works via VPN = document-sharing, their own list-group, or what? Is there a rotating role of (or tag-team) contact person? If no group exists, is there a place to notify other volunteers w/o = disturbing the questions group? thanks, "frank" =20 On 03-April-2019, at 00:40 PM, David Christensen wrote: > On 4/3/19 1:04 AM, Frank Fenderbender wrote: >> Thanks much, David C! >> This type of research, unpacked from personal experience for a = general perusal, salvages from the private pains & pangs, as well as the = joyous successes, encountered while fitting releases to systems, and = vice-[re]versa. >> As payback for the efforts made towards pulling me towards the = success side, I will see if i can create a spreadsheet, which I'll put = up on my = web = page. Its goal will roughly be to list issues based on release:hardware. = I' also like to work on a page that helps with add-on dependencies so = that collisions can be avoided and troubleshooting made a bit easier. = Any help on either page is greatly appreciated and open to different = approaches entirely. >> For now, I'll plan to post the additional page title(s) and url(s) = soon... and how to send in verifiable additions to elevate its coverage = (perhaps with links back to contributors for spec-test-verification = details). >> I'm open to how best to approach each mini-project.... >=20 > Finding compatible hardware and software remains a never-ending quest, = especially for FOSS. Rather than building a personal solution, I would = suggest contributing to some community solution. STFW I see: >=20 > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/hardware.html >=20 > http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page >=20 >=20 > My wish-list solution would be a USB flash drive live FreeBSD = distribution with a console app that runs a bunch of tests and submits = reports to a central server with a searchable WWW app. The client app = would include local storage and sneaker-net capabilities (for testing = computers without Internet connectivity). Bonus points if one client = image supported multiple architectures (I use i386 and amd64). >=20 >=20 > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 Frank frankfenderbender@council124.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 4 07:11:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFE11566070 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 07:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.he.net", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32DEE896BF for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 07:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from Davids-MBP.tracy.holgerdanske.com ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 00:11:46 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD desktop "best-fit" Dell platform suggestions? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> <06447bee-f1d3-6967-f2af-73c68df05351@holgerdanske.com> <33fed198-334b-99b4-aecb-4f5546ec3e11@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 00:11:46 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 07:11:49 -0000 On 4/3/19 11:34 PM, Frank Fenderbender wrote: > DavidC: > > Thanks for the project connect links. > I will check into them on Thursday. > Do folks volunteer with an 'existing' effort that works via VPN document-sharing, their own list-group, or what? > Is there a rotating role of (or tag-team) contact person? > If no group exists, is there a place to notify other volunteers w/o disturbing the questions group? > > thanks, > "frank" While I have dabbled in BSD for many years, I am a relative noob/ lurker in the community. My guess would be that if you want to participate in, say, the FreeBSD manual or FreeBSD wiki, there should be instructions for doing so on their respective web sites. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 4 10:41:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E10156C2DC for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 10:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from run00er@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x236.google.com (mail-lj1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C890D6AB21 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 10:41:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from run00er@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x236.google.com with SMTP id f18so1609763lja.10 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 03:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=oZQqZK6/85uK8qAopmuhMie4NDZ1Mo2G+3s14N1xRx8=; b=DPElZTNGEryU2TAgPSU5qnI8pdffayktNFXWeIpFjzeLnqEGM8EeZXifsC273cqFbK gN6JTMEZBqp8igBX0szwwKkTwcWDvTq3x05Gn6+um1JVfqO5XC8RWTlar6kRRxaa9ymL RxoPnMsD39pE+oSk9mRtFYNnlysUkpIKNPvYiVn+5ocdbNbPjk+HHU9YjMUSziRgscDr 1KwkJRN8w5KOD93k5aJJ8/g3mKIjK9L0htDDCiYhviCeyX+VN+HpgSUVm5O5DdmsNXST 6wpf0VcNITgPf9SGetsALC7xKTnpTTGr73Vqqfx9Q2ET08MM8FueNSuaJ099yD393uVc bCHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=oZQqZK6/85uK8qAopmuhMie4NDZ1Mo2G+3s14N1xRx8=; b=a1mET1FaRfdl868+Ev4Wmbk17I3WVM/xYfPNott/y+LQj7kQMb+joFzN7NbTEQ3A2R //jj8HHannhZwmePiQro/ygHMyajxUreWIt3uS2R1/bct776gAU788+AlPvkOmolZETO bkF4osqV6S0jaH1Ct/Zv3il1IPxdBepIWzjdRCk8jyeUAjPCFQW5GsTsKt25nQIw3FUY lQslkSlf6bVi3Qn1WhEApPSAmL83J08j4fUXmMiXvx8fu4pfdyTNilLztqL2wwbM1bUv 7CsWueVBuTdfb+26As9B04XElnSvWJd8Z/NnUzaJsoQ+DkbFfZDqXOpimV4ZDsEx0dnr RlWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAULXXvNAuAABeOTbmfC5dM9a2kAXf9Q1o6UGq5jcpywnv9ujTAn rGAeDuJQShebPKjvshC44Oz/dT7h X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyJrp3dxUDPUofKRvqFTZVPkPSTx1VUTZwLzesz809/T6NDICmC0seCgkEoO1DOql7mGq22PQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:4ca:: with SMTP id a71mr2973738ljf.39.1554374496180; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 03:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.59] ([178.209.66.4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u17sm3858689lfu.63.2019.04.04.03.41.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2019 03:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [root@nk.ca: gallifrey.nk.ca monthly security run output] To: The Doctor , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190401140557.GA32489@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> From: Runer Message-ID: <0777e305-0b62-39c2-0520-3a20d41d6c6f@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 13:41:34 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190401140557.GA32489@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: ru X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C890D6AB21 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DPElZTNG; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of run00er@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=run00er@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(0.40)[gallifrey.nk.ca]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.86)[ip: (-9.69), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.37), asn: 15169(-2.16), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 10:41:39 -0000 If you have upgraded to FreeBsd 12. Probably you need to execute the command /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -p /etc/master.passwd. Since the user added "ntpd" 01.04.2019 17:05, The Doctor via freebsd-questions пишет: > What is the remedy? I have ran said command several times > since updating the server Friday night. > > > > ----- Forwarded message from "Dave Shariff Yadallee - System Administrator a.k.a. The Root of the Problem,,669-2000,470-2224" ----- > > Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 05:30:00 -0600 > From: "Dave Shariff Yadallee - System Administrator a.k.a. The Root of the > Problem,,669-2000,470-2224" > To: root@nk.ca > Subject: gallifrey.nk.ca monthly security run output > > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg-static install -f pkg" recommended > > -- End of security output -- > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 4 14:52:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3117215734A8 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 14:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: from mail.ssr.com (mail.ssr.com [199.4.235.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD53A74DAE for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 14:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdb@ssr.com) Received: (qmail 16405 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2019 14:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO irelay.ssr.com) (sdb@74.64.230.1) by 199.4.235.6 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2019 14:46:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 1803 invoked by uid 103); 4 Apr 2019 14:46:04 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2019 14:46:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20190404144604.1802.qmail@irelay.ssr.com> From: Scott Ballantyne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY in firefox X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AD53A74DAE X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of sdb@ssr.com designates 199.4.235.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sdb@ssr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.762,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:199.4.235.6]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ssr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.075,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[a.mx.ssr.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29838, ipnet:199.4.235.0/24, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:52:49 -0000 I've been using chrome, but decided to try firefox, installed the package and no matter where I go, I get this error: NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY Chrome has no problem. Does anyone know how to fix this? (Freebsd 11.2-RELEASE-p9) Thanks! Scott From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 4 17:20:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29208153183C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 17:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockyhotas@post.com) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.com", Issuer "GeoTrust RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E43E3833EF for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 17:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockyhotas@post.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mail.com; s=dbd5af2cbaf7; t=1554398401; bh=Lx7Y1aaPBTgAXgca40GbcDTTODKHyVB4WIoDa6ii034=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date; b=mht+pkkamNz3E9tTZKZ+1J320UraDSbNpxMCvEp5agTg6Apo+lwBoeNxORqKwvWbX eADXne5T7tbnnwme0wNXi0thAWtPDiB0YFxDoFwMIBP+mfYw9ANQoTEYHDxUE7m9Fw 7nevm9Nv0GUQ9+7G609QwFxL4CQ45j6gXv5Z7dds= X-UI-Sender-Class: 214d933f-fd2f-45c7-a636-f5d79ae31a79 Received: from [95.246.186.146] ([95.246.186.146]) by web-mail.mail.com (3c-app-mailcom-lxa05.server.lan [10.76.45.6]) (via HTTP); Thu, 4 Apr 2019 19:14:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Rocky Hotas" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: vi(1) and ISO 8859-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 19:14:49 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:J5iAtiNC/eC30Ai7joCudpI59rvISUd6fl4gO2J9owsBndDoWVyYJfO1I1Arj/Zi3M2DG YvFKxHjlLTCZHv68vXFtigaSugb8JtxNJ38aboEUxB9sIRcwdHp5gS1pc60h3+9pp1kGGfsf3d// VAeI/Pxz4GGHfO2XebzYhT0HUxc/lPiaOgpc0BsEfWHcTwoRCFwbf6geBziSoyAoecBnCpSi3q1Q 5km3/vYgR7tWG2fmjBSe07mYdypAuM28nm2qPBic/NXCB16Z5v1dDXiWbaq/FUYOUFYfLAFndE7I F0= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:mMqZ6QOhIrI=:ULqVg1UJM1YR778UHFcinL aHdrb7d+mdzQzs166iUY7mhFxM0khXkYIKpGfmuwiuRwbDzqjYZj+8WjIRQ1v5s+gC6iXCh0V kxPmA5HR5j1cgpufZWYBjXpvdwIaKUg28gQlVUEVS5nhU8YNi1wt+vrl0M5JUUSpr5DATA71Z zjG2HWFx+GZj/fJzlR25ZkXES7DK2z3xfR6hR5Ga+ikQxobaAh1AUC9uiT5hIk1K9oLE6VwPK kb2yXiTjpfHa6qbkH+nOBrODIBM+4FitdYyO+Rd1tbp6r1vBka0bRbQ8AvYEDp+PJanRytZpA I3eTF7XmAIfHdyLDnGBPNJS7rVR/POUOEdR9+19JiVxTKGKXuAP7fO+nnepAIya/ipye4xFNL YKVMCHLVxXIFdFJqNDCA1GFzGTJA0Memliazzi+3VP+FoepsmHtaeOgKAQbGaotHsrqo9GNRI 1uu8czl21Wv5LpAGOB/hp7IEB7AUdxaSFMT6nmsaWAQuweC0Ym8KgWWCJrg8Ab0oySKgHp1JT +0XDvuTIaHTVWV/hipTVsYXZ1HXOzimMBc23JSLdAC2F6pYV6OX9rlQzMuEBC/id1D/i9+amr eRb3hEUnNZH5s= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E43E3833EF X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=mail.com header.s=dbd5af2cbaf7 header.b=mht+pkka; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rockyhotas@post.com designates 74.208.4.200 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rockyhotas@post.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.208.4.192/26]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[post.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.mail.com,mx00.mail.com]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[200.4.208.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[146.186.246.95.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:74.208.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[post.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mail.com:s=dbd5af2cbaf7]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.39)[0.394,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[post.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.93)[0.930,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.87)[ip: (-1.95), ipnet: 74.208.0.0/16(4.76), asn: 8560(1.55), country: DE(-0.01)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.917,0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 17:20:06 -0000 Hello! I have an ISO-8859-1 text file, which is opened and shared by several OSs. If I open it with vi(1) in FreeBSD 12.0, its encoding is not detected and UTF-8 is used, instead. Any non-ascii character will be read and written incorrectly in UTF-8, creating an ambiguous encoding. This can be fixed with (see `Comment 1' in https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=196447): :se fe=iso-8859-1 in command mode. But this implies that, for each file, the encoding must be first checked by the user. >From FreeBSD's vi(1) manpage: fileencoding, fe [auto detect] Set the encoding of the current file. Here, `auto detect' maybe means that vi(1) should automatically switch its internal encoding according to the current file. So, when this does not happen, should it be considered a bug? Or is this desired, for some reason? In Linux Ubuntu's vi(1), for example, the encoding is automatically set, based on the file. Bye! Rocky From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 4 19:06:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D22155403C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 19:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E76A2882B3 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 19:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hC7hD-0002yA-5N for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 21:06:43 +0200 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hC7hD-0002el-1q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 21:06:43 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 21:06:43 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi(1) and ISO 8859-1 Message-ID: <20190404190642.GA4609@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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Any non-ascii character will be read and written > incorrectly in UTF-8, creating an ambiguous encoding. Are you sure that the file is completely ISO-8859-1 encoded? What does file(1) says about and what happens if you run it through iconv(1) translating from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 into /dev/null, will iconv(1) do it or complain? matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 70 years of NATO - 70 years of wars (Jugoslavia, Afghanistan, Syria, ...) and 70 years of war preparation against Russia. -- PEACE instead of NATO ! 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$ iconv -f ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8 < myfile > /dev/null It completes successfully, exit status is 0=2E You can easily create such = a file and reproduce this: just open vi(1), set the encoding with `:se fe=3Diso-8859-1', and just type a letter with an accent, like: hello =C3=AC If you save it and reopen it with vi(1), it will use UTF-8 by default and = it won't be able to read the line with `=C3=AC', unless you again use `:se fe=3Diso-8859-1'=2E The correctness (and integrity) of the ISO 8859-1 encoding is also shown b= y hexdump: $ hexdump -C myfile 00000000 68 65 6c 6c 6f 0a ec 0a |hello=2E=2E= =2E| 00000008 Where `ec' is `=C3=AC' in ISO 8859-1=2E Rocky >=20 > matthias > --=20 > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea=2Ede, http://www=2Eunixarea=2Ede= / +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www=2Eunixarea=2Ede/key=2Epub > 70 years of NATO - 70 years of wars (Jugoslavia, Afghanistan, Syria, =2E= =2E=2E) and 70 years > of war preparation against Russia=2E -- PEACE instead of NATO ! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 5 05:18:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71174156A15C for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 05:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C9897628B for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 05:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hCHFM-0002oG-1E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 07:18:36 +0200 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hCHFL-0005wa-UK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 07:18:35 +0200 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 07:18:35 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi(1) and ISO 8859-1 Message-ID: <20190405051835.GA18093@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190404190642.GA4609@sh4-5.1blu.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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You can easily create such a > file and reproduce this: just open vi(1), set the encoding with > `:se fe=iso-8859-1', and just type a letter with an accent, like: I have to use ':set fileencoding=iso-88591' and with that I produced the file file-iso-8859-1.txt as: $ cat file-iso-8859-1.txt ¡Viva la Revolución! $ od -c file-iso-8859-1.txt 0000000 241 V i v a l a R e v o l u c 0000020 i 363 n ! \n 0000025 As you see, the non ASCII chars are coded in ISO. I reloaded it with 'vim file-iso-8859-1.txt' without setting the encoding, added some more chars and wrote it back as: $ od -c file-iso-8859-1.txt 0000000 241 V i v a l a R e v o l u c 0000020 i 363 n ! \n 241 V i v a l a R e 0000040 v o l u c i 363 n ! \n 0000052 and all was fine. This is with vim 8.1.555 on $ uname -a FreeBSD c720-r342378 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT GENERIC amd64 -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 70 years of NATO - 70 years of wars (Jugoslavia, Afghanistan, Syria, ...) and 70 years of war preparation against Russia. -- PEACE instead of NATO ! 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For starters, I would recommend that you work with your browser settings. For example: How to Disable HTTP/2 in Firefox If you’re trying to browse to a website and you’re getting the error NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY in Firefox and you’re not an administrator of the server, you can disable HTTP/2 in Firefox. Open Firefox and type about:config in the address bar Click on I Accept The Risk Search for network.http.spdy.enabled.http2 Change the value to False Restart your browser Good luck! 04.04.2019 17:46, Scott Ballantyne пишет: > I've been using chrome, but decided to try firefox, installed the > package and no matter where I go, I get this error: > > NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY > > Chrome has no problem. Does anyone know how to fix this? (Freebsd > 11.2-RELEASE-p9) > > Thanks! > Scott > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 5 07:43:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FBE156DA14 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 07:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A27983B6A for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 07:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hCJVd-0004Wm-2J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 09:43:33 +0200 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hCJVc-0006zT-W8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 09:43:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 09:43:32 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi(1) and ISO 8859-1 Message-ID: <20190405074332.GA22920@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190404190642.GA4609@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20190405051835.GA18093@sh4-5.1blu.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20190405051835.GA18093@sh4-5.1blu.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0A27983B6A X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[guru@unixarea.de]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unixarea.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-1.38)[ipnet: 178.254.0.0/19(-3.82), asn: 42730(-3.06), country: DE(-0.01)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.unixarea.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 07:43:38 -0000 El día Friday, April 05, 2019 a las 07:18:35AM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > El día Thursday, April 04, 2019 a las 11:59:24PM +0200, Rocky Hotas escribió: > > > It completes successfully, exit status is 0. You can easily create such a > > file and reproduce this: just open vi(1), set the encoding with > > `:se fe=iso-8859-1', and just type a letter with an accent, like: > > ... > > This is with vim 8.1.555 on > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD c720-r342378 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT GENERIC amd64 I now realized that you were talking about vi(1) while I was talking about vim (from the ports). If you compare it with vim on Linux, you should better compare this port because on Linux vi is vim: ls -li /usr/bin/vi /usr/bin/vim 19353386 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 23. Apr 2018 /usr/bin/vi -> /bin/vim 19353388 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 23. Apr 2018 /usr/bin/vim -> /bin/vim matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 70 years of NATO - 70 years of wars (Jugoslavia, Afghanistan, Syria, ...) and 70 years of war preparation against Russia. -- PEACE instead of NATO ! 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In the past, this was easy enough using actual hardware. However, I cant seem to get it going in a VM. I tried doing the following steps truncate -s 999G server.img mdconfig -f server.img gpart create -s gpt md0 gpart add -s 222 -t freebsd-boot md0 gpart add -t freebsd-zfs md0 gpart bootcode -b /tmp/pmbr -p /tmp/gptzfsboot -i 1 md0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= #these files are taken from the RELENG_10 image zpool create -f -o altroot=3D/mnt2 -O canmount=3Doff -m none zroot /dev/m= d0p2 gzcat zroot.0.gz | zfs recv -vF zroot zpool import -f -o altroot=3D/mnt2=C2=A0 zroot zpool set bootfs=3Dzroot/ROOT/default zroot zpool export zroot mdconfig -d -u0 Then I imported the file server.img into a KVM instance.=C2=A0 and everything starts to boot fine, but then fails with mounting from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default failed with error 45 if I hit ? it shows List of GEOM managed disk devices: vtbd0p2 vtbd0p1 vtbd0 mountroot> if I try mountroot> zfs:zroot Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot [] ... Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 45 same with zfs:zroot/ROOT/default error 45. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ---Mike --=20 ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 x203 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 5 13:43:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A7115779A0 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 13:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from pyroxene.sentex.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "pyroxene.sentex.ca", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 824D8919D0 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 13:43:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] ([192.168.43.26]) by pyroxene.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x35DhSKo020365 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 09:43:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: mounting from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default failed with error 45 From: Mike Tancsa To: freebsd-questions References: <98a58bad-56ea-c598-2944-e4c70c2841a3@sentex.net> Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=mike@sentex.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQENBEzcA24BCACpwI/iqOrs0GfQSfhA1v6Z8AcXVeGsRyKEKUpxoOYxXWc2z3vndbYlIP6E YJeifzKhS/9E+VjhhICaepLHfw865TDTUPr5D0Ed+edSsKjlnDtb6hfNJC00P7eoiuvi85TW F/gAxRY269A5d856bYrzLbkWp2lKUR3Bg6NnORtflGzx9ZWAltZbjYjjRqegPv0EQNYcHqWo eRpXilEo1ahT6nmOU8V7yEvT2j4wlLcQ6qg7w+N/vcBvyd/weiwHU+vTQ9mT61x5/wUrQhdw 2gJHeQXeDGMJV49RT2EEz+QVxaf477eyWsdQzPVjAKRMT3BVdK8WvpYAEfBAbXmkboOxABEB AAG0HG1pa2UgdGFuY3NhIDxtaWtlQHNlbnRleC5jYT6JATgEEwECACIFAkzcA24CGwMGCwkI BwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEJXHwM2kc8rX+sMH/2V6pTBKsQ5mpWWLgs6wVP2k BC+6r/YKNXv9Rw/PrC6+9hTbgA+sSjJ+8gxsCbJsOQXZrxF0x3l9oYdYfuKcwdwXFX1/FS8p HfBeDkmlH+dI709xT9wgrR4dS5aMmKp0scPrXPIAKiYVOHjOlNItcLYTEEWEFBepheEVsgmk GrNbcrHwOx/u4igUQ8vcpyXPyUki+BsftPw8ZQvBU887igh0OxaCR8AurJppQ5UQd63r81cX E1ZjoFoWCaGK/SjPb/OhpYpu5swoZIhOxQbn7OtakYPsDd5t2A5KhvjI8BMTnd5Go+2xsCmr jlIEq8Bi29gCcfQUvNiClevi13ifmnm5AQ0ETNwDbgEIALWGNJHRAhpd0A4vtd3G0oRqMBcM FGThQr3qORmEBTPPEomTdBaHcn+Xl+3YUvTBD/67/mutWBwgp2R5gQOSqcM7axvgMSHbKqBL 9sd1LsLw0UT2O5AYxv3EwzhG84pwRg3XcUqvWA4lA8tIj/1q4Jzi5qOkg1zxq4W9qr9oiYK5 bBR638JUvr3eHMaz/Nz+sDVFgwHmXZj3M6aE5Ce9reCGbvrae7H5D5PPvtT3r22X8SqfVAiO TFKedCf/6jbSOedPN931FJQYopj9P6b3m0nI3ZiCDVSqeyOAIBLzm+RBUIU3brzoxDhYR8pz CJc2sK8l6YjqivPakrD86bFDff8AEQEAAYkBHwQYAQIACQUCTNwDbgIbDAAKCRCVx8DNpHPK 1+iQB/99aqNtez9ZTBWELj269La8ntuRx6gCpzfPXfn6SDIfTItDxTh1hrdRVP5QNGGF5wus N4EMwXouskva1hbFX3Pv72csYSxxEJXjW16oV8WK4KjKXoskLg2RyRP4uXqL7Mp2ezNtVY5F 9nu3fj4ydpHCSaqKy5xd70A8D50PfZsFgkrsa5gdQhPiGGEdxhq/XSeAAnZ4uVLJKarH+mj5 MEhgZPEBWkGrbDZpezl9qbFcUem/uT9x8FYT/JIztMVh9qDcdP5tzANW5J7nvgXjska+VFGY ryZK4SPDczh74mn6GI/+RBi7OUzXXPgpPBrhS5FByjwCqjjsSpTjTds+NGIY Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 09:43:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98a58bad-56ea-c598-2944-e4c70c2841a3@sentex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 824D8919D0 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:3::18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RDNS_NONE(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtp.sentex.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.858,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.73)[ipnet: 2607:f3e0::/32(-4.95), asn: 11647(-3.60), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 13:43:29 -0000 On 4/5/2019 9:00 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > I have a couple of ZFS boxes I want to upgrade from RELENG_10 to > RELENG_11 and before doing it, I wanted to clone them into a VM to test > out the upgrades. In the past, this was easy enough using actual > hardware. However, I cant seem to get it going in a VM. I tried doing > the following steps Actually, I wonder if the issue is that I am doing the zpool create on a RELENG_12 box.... So when I try and boot that zpool that was freshly created on RELENG_12 with a RELENG_10 kernel, I am running into issues. > truncate -s 999G server.img > mdconfig -f server.img > gpart create -s gpt md0 > gpart add -s 222 -t freebsd-boot md0 > gpart add -t freebsd-zfs md0 > gpart bootcode -b /tmp/pmbr -p /tmp/gptzfsboot -i 1 md0    #these files > are taken from the RELENG_10 image > zpool create -f -o altroot=/mnt2 -O canmount=off -m none zroot /dev/md0p2 > gzcat zroot.0.gz | zfs recv -vF zroot > zpool import -f -o altroot=/mnt2  zroot > zpool set bootfs=zroot/ROOT/default zroot > zpool export zroot > mdconfig -d -u0 > > Then I imported the file server.img into a KVM instance.  > > and everything starts to boot fine, but then fails with > > mounting from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default failed with error 45 > > if I hit ? it shows > > List of GEOM managed disk devices: > > vtbd0p2 vtbd0p1 vtbd0 > > mountroot> > > if I try > > mountroot> zfs:zroot > Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot [] ... > Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 45 > > same with zfs:zroot/ROOT/default > > error 45. > > >     ---Mike > > -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 x203 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 5 19:30:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3439D155B503 for ; 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 5 19:38:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6252155BD67 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 19:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from pyroxene.sentex.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "pyroxene.sentex.ca", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFDB771540 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 19:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] ([192.168.43.26]) by pyroxene.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x35JbxLA045418 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:37:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: mounting from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default failed with error 45 From: Mike Tancsa To: freebsd-questions References: <98a58bad-56ea-c598-2944-e4c70c2841a3@sentex.net> Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=mike@sentex.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQENBEzcA24BCACpwI/iqOrs0GfQSfhA1v6Z8AcXVeGsRyKEKUpxoOYxXWc2z3vndbYlIP6E YJeifzKhS/9E+VjhhICaepLHfw865TDTUPr5D0Ed+edSsKjlnDtb6hfNJC00P7eoiuvi85TW F/gAxRY269A5d856bYrzLbkWp2lKUR3Bg6NnORtflGzx9ZWAltZbjYjjRqegPv0EQNYcHqWo eRpXilEo1ahT6nmOU8V7yEvT2j4wlLcQ6qg7w+N/vcBvyd/weiwHU+vTQ9mT61x5/wUrQhdw 2gJHeQXeDGMJV49RT2EEz+QVxaf477eyWsdQzPVjAKRMT3BVdK8WvpYAEfBAbXmkboOxABEB AAG0HG1pa2UgdGFuY3NhIDxtaWtlQHNlbnRleC5jYT6JATgEEwECACIFAkzcA24CGwMGCwkI BwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEJXHwM2kc8rX+sMH/2V6pTBKsQ5mpWWLgs6wVP2k BC+6r/YKNXv9Rw/PrC6+9hTbgA+sSjJ+8gxsCbJsOQXZrxF0x3l9oYdYfuKcwdwXFX1/FS8p HfBeDkmlH+dI709xT9wgrR4dS5aMmKp0scPrXPIAKiYVOHjOlNItcLYTEEWEFBepheEVsgmk GrNbcrHwOx/u4igUQ8vcpyXPyUki+BsftPw8ZQvBU887igh0OxaCR8AurJppQ5UQd63r81cX E1ZjoFoWCaGK/SjPb/OhpYpu5swoZIhOxQbn7OtakYPsDd5t2A5KhvjI8BMTnd5Go+2xsCmr jlIEq8Bi29gCcfQUvNiClevi13ifmnm5AQ0ETNwDbgEIALWGNJHRAhpd0A4vtd3G0oRqMBcM FGThQr3qORmEBTPPEomTdBaHcn+Xl+3YUvTBD/67/mutWBwgp2R5gQOSqcM7axvgMSHbKqBL 9sd1LsLw0UT2O5AYxv3EwzhG84pwRg3XcUqvWA4lA8tIj/1q4Jzi5qOkg1zxq4W9qr9oiYK5 bBR638JUvr3eHMaz/Nz+sDVFgwHmXZj3M6aE5Ce9reCGbvrae7H5D5PPvtT3r22X8SqfVAiO TFKedCf/6jbSOedPN931FJQYopj9P6b3m0nI3ZiCDVSqeyOAIBLzm+RBUIU3brzoxDhYR8pz CJc2sK8l6YjqivPakrD86bFDff8AEQEAAYkBHwQYAQIACQUCTNwDbgIbDAAKCRCVx8DNpHPK 1+iQB/99aqNtez9ZTBWELj269La8ntuRx6gCpzfPXfn6SDIfTItDxTh1hrdRVP5QNGGF5wus N4EMwXouskva1hbFX3Pv72csYSxxEJXjW16oV8WK4KjKXoskLg2RyRP4uXqL7Mp2ezNtVY5F 9nu3fj4ydpHCSaqKy5xd70A8D50PfZsFgkrsa5gdQhPiGGEdxhq/XSeAAnZ4uVLJKarH+mj5 MEhgZPEBWkGrbDZpezl9qbFcUem/uT9x8FYT/JIztMVh9qDcdP5tzANW5J7nvgXjska+VFGY ryZK4SPDczh74mn6GI/+RBi7OUzXXPgpPBrhS5FByjwCqjjsSpTjTds+NGIY Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:37:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DFDB771540 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:3::18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.33 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RDNS_NONE(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtp.sentex.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.801,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.73)[ipnet: 2607:f3e0::/32(-4.95), asn: 11647(-3.60), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 19:38:05 -0000 On 4/5/2019 9:43 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 4/5/2019 9:00 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: >> I have a couple of ZFS boxes I want to upgrade from RELENG_10 to >> RELENG_11 and before doing it, I wanted to clone them into a VM to tes= t >> out the upgrades. In the past, this was easy enough using actual >> hardware. However, I cant seem to get it going in a VM. I tried doing >> the following steps > > Actually, I wonder if the issue is that I am doing the zpool create on = a > RELENG_12 box.... So when I try and boot that zpool that was freshly > created on RELENG_12 with a RELENG_10 kernel, I am running into issues.= It does seem to be a zfs version issue which kinda makes sense. If I create the zfs image on a RELENG10 vm it works.=C2=A0 The only issue is t= hat its quite slow to do on the VM as its a LOT of disk IO.=C2=A0 Is there a = way to create an older version of a zfs file system on a newer version of FreeBSD so I can get the best of both worlds ? =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ---Mike --=20 ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 x203 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 6 08:05:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234011579833 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 08:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from vps349.pairvps.com (vps349.pairvps.com [216.92.231.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C49066DE3D for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 08:05:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankfenderbender@council124.org) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [104.220.39.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vps349.pairvps.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E129FA54E2; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 04:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: development env. setup success/probs/tweaks? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Frank Fenderbender In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 01:05:12 -0700 Reply-To: Frank Fenderbender Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9F5FB885-EBAF-4CA6-924A-C099FBB047C8@council124.org> References: <43760917-5FAA-4C75-A4D2-923A5EA0E624@council124.org> <2d7ff5f5-603f-004d-31fc-14eef658997e@holgerdanske.com> <06447bee-f1d3-6967-f2af-73c68df05351@holgerdanske.com> <33fed198-334b-99b4-aecb-4f5546ec3e11@holgerdanske.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C49066DE3D X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frankfenderbender@council124.org designates 216.92.231.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frankfenderbender@council124.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frankfenderbender@council124.org]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:cegray.mail.pairserver.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mailwash31.pair.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.708,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7859, ipnet:216.92.0.0/16, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.85)[-0.854,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[council124.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.961,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[asn: 7859(-0.63), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:05:23 -0000 I am interested in successful installation, configuration, and use of = the following environments, applications, and modules. If you have had success, can you let me know, and, can I contact you in = followup(s) later on w/r/t any special cases,=20 tweaks, gotchas, etc. you mention in conjunction with your selection(s)?=20= Please run down the list, marking in the easiest method "y" [=3D "yes"] or "n" [=3D "no"] for "suc" [=3D "successful"] for "fol" [=3D "followup ok"] possible (examples): suc/fol --------- y/y [I will share some details of my success = on/about platform-'X', using a number of steps.]=20 y/n [I was successful, however do not have time now; = I do not care to recall the experience.] n/y [It was impossible on the platform I had; the = install was/is unsupported. I will share what I learned in the process, = and/or will detail another solution.] n/n [I do not have time; I do not care to recall the = experience; I moved to another solution] Thanks. suc/fol install/config a few pertinent links --------- ----------------- = ---------------------------- Anaconda = https://reddit.com/r/Python/comments/5hyhcd/anaconda_on_freebsd_or_trueos/= = https://python-forum.io/Thread-Running-Python-via-Anaconda = https://anaconda.com/distribution/ Eric = http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/ = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/eric-ide-under-freebsd.45773/ KDE(Plasma) https://freebsd.kde.org/ = https://freebsd.org/ports/kde.html KDevelop https://kdevelop.org/ = https://freebsd.kde.org/ = https://userbase.kde.org/KDevelop = https://community.kde.org/FreeBSD/Setup/Area51 MatPlotLib = https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33930191/fails-to-install-matplotlib-u= sing-pip3-on-freebsd = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/numpy-and-matplotlib-installation.63396= / NumPy = https://forums.freebsd.org/tags/numpy/ = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/numpy-and-matplotlib-installation.63396= / Pandas = https://github.com/pandas-dev/pandas/issues/10510 PyCharm = https://freshports.org/java/intellij-pycharm/ = https://freshports.org/devel/pycharm-ce/ = https://cs1110.cs.virginia.edu/lab01-installing.html PyQt5 = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/installation-of-pyqt5-for-python3.59516= / = https://reviews.freebsd.org/D2910?id=3D8119 = https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports-kde/commit/e435c7415cd7fb7fe61f66= 78e30e2c4764220b55 = https://freshports.org/www/qutebrowser/ = https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D219641 PyTest = https://freshports.org/devel/py-pytest/ Python3 = https://cs1110.cs.virginia.edu/lab01-installing.html Qt Creator = https://wiki.qt.io/Category:Tools::QtCreator https://qt.io/ = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/qtcreator-issue.64602/ = https://forum.qt.io/topic/8198/solved-qt-and-freebsd/7 = http://brunov.info/blog/2013/05/05/freebsd-qtcreator-debugging-helper-miss= ing/ SQLAlchemy = https://reviews.freebsd.org/D908 = https://freshports.org/databases/py-sqlalchemy11/ SciPy = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/python-scipy-with-python3-x-on-freebsd-= 11.59009/ = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/python-scipy.61003/ SQLite3 = https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/sqlite3-on-python3-fails.53114/ = http://freebsdonline.com/content/view/706/531/ Subversion = https://freebsd.org/doc/handbook/svn.html Later, I can share what I find out (and save off). Thanks very much for taking the time to read this, and/or for sharing = any experiences. best wishes for your weekend, frank From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 6 08:49:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66411157AEA9 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 08:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockyhotas@post.com) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.com", Issuer "GeoTrust RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9D166FEA4 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 08:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rockyhotas@post.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mail.com; s=dbd5af2cbaf7; t=1554540555; bh=RKgyydzbLXTXNNe7F1YC0ss/NW0YXE7/NtDT699GAyc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; 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NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.68)[0.683,0]; IP_SCORE(0.69)[ip: (-2.81), ipnet: 74.208.0.0/16(4.75), asn: 8560(1.54), country: DE(-0.01)]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:49:34 -0000 > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 at 9:43 AM > From: "Matthias Apitz" > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd=2Eorg > Subject: Re: vi(1) and ISO 8859-1 [=2E=2E=2E] > > This is with vim 8=2E1=2E555 on=20 > >=20 > > $ uname -a > > FreeBSD c720-r342378 13=2E0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13=2E0-CURRENT GENERIC am= d64 Thanks for your test and for the version check=2E > I now realized that you were talking about vi(1) while I was talking > about vim (from the ports)=2E Exactly: they are not the same=2E > If you compare it with vim on Linux, you > should better compare this port because on Linux vi is vim: Yes, on Linux vi(1) is a symlink to vim=2E It's good that at least the vim= on Linux and the one in FreeBSD ports behave similarly=2E Even without a comparison between them, my doubt is another one=2E I wonde= r if it is normal and expected that FreeBSD's vi(1) (which actually is nvi/nex) does not automatically switch its encoding according to the current file, despite the `fileencoding, fe [auto detect]' in the manpage=2E Again, `auto detect' lets me wonder about this=2E I am using vi(1) Version 2=2E1=2E3 (2015-04-08) on FreeBSD 12-RELEASE amd6= 4=2E Bye! 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I recently discovered that the WHAT column in the output of the "w" command has become unusable, and "man w" does not seem to indicate any user control for the formatting of the columns. The column WHAT now can only show up to 3 (in words: three) characters on a standard 80-column terminal. I will put a ruler on top for illustration: ....+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5....+....6....+....7....+....8 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT Things like "xinit" become "xin", and any longer command cannot be easily identified anymore. Columns 79 and 80 aren't used at all. For comparison: On an older system, I get this layout: ....+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5....+....6....+....7....+....8 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT This is more than 20 characters for the WHAT field. Any idea on how to get the old layout of w back, instead of increasing the terminal width? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 6 20:58:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FEE156C98F for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD77F6B9B7 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 20:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Column widths FROM / WHAT in w(1) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 14:58:23 -0600 References: <20190406153319.36f41b8f.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20190406153319.36f41b8f.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-Id: <82580E12-C2F5-45FB-AAFC-8538B5CE0FCD@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CD77F6B9B7 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.85 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.944,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.962,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.28)[ip: (-0.84), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.42), asn: 209(-0.09), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.253,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 20:58:32 -0000 On 6 Apr 2019, at 07:33, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > System: FreeBSD 12.0-p3 i386. >=20 > I recently discovered that the WHAT column in the output > of the "w" command has become unusable, and "man w" does > not seem to indicate any user control for the formatting > of the columns. >=20 > The column WHAT now can only show up to 3 (in words: three) > characters on a standard 80-column terminal. I will put a How long has it been since an 80 column terminal was standard? Even back = as far as the late 80s the majority of terminals I used were 132 columns = and if you were stuck on an ADM-3a you got off it as quickly as = possible, and now I don't even know where you would find an 80 column = terminal. > ruler on top for illustration: >=20 > = ....+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5....+....6....+....7....= +....8 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ = IDLE WHAT >=20 > Things like "xinit" become "xin", and any longer command > cannot be easily identified anymore. Columns 79 and 80 > aren't used at all. >=20 > For comparison: On an older system, I get this layout: >=20 > = ....+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5....+....6....+....7....= +....8 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT >=20 > This is more than 20 characters for the WHAT field. Does it depend on the contents of "From"? Hmm, no, it doesn't seem too. = however, I will say that getting the from field cut-off in `w` is a lot = more of an issue than the WHAT column, I think. Have you looked at xo_parse_args? You could always output as json or xml and do your own thing. > Any idea on how to get the old layout of w back, instead > of increasing the terminal width? --=20 "Oh damn", said Maladict. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 6 21:49:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E345F156E619 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 21:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFB7A6DD9A for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 21:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.105.233]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MaIzb-1hQznX1JLR-00WCC5; Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:48:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 23:48:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Column widths FROM / WHAT in w(1) Message-Id: <20190406234851.f2fa5b35.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <82580E12-C2F5-45FB-AAFC-8538B5CE0FCD@kreme.com> References: <20190406153319.36f41b8f.freebsd@edvax.de> <82580E12-C2F5-45FB-AAFC-8538B5CE0FCD@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:PJC4Y+23a8BpK+wHdOYxJu1XBwSQdN/pZ8IfHL24MLe3ejG4H+q bkTPDTyHFmCOoxiNFHqilC7OWxKkisPmakHWdvV16RN/v3vrmGIUsNl3Ti+5htGG7XjKtM8 UZ4UjAxwnK4oGUgXSHZJLGqAB7bayzIxaG4VRekN/dQpytDOvVYMPbXHVFkadyC2fuOwizO 8r2590bpBqVU2ZUiSn+Ww== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ThOlrORocW0=:3T/TaS8+NYY2enjCW684j+ yb1F1sBv35QDCGJkpARjwPdK7hq578/MoIv2O+HEXSaXGYUFHL8boxFqsSwzTS/zGFBD6i16a 5xSBMqjFbRWfiNj9hM+U9oi7A30YwvbcIZ2+fWY1TNdUPIK0aNNBFg8X+ThnuwwcE+Izrmytt +z+qFv9hhbr+0/NXKwO6eZAsVrDb/Ktqyk1I6mpTh83BgdDiuQdbXXuIpo9Tow3YNcsCFcwas MsMY8nQahxJsqpEE07UwZ6MZBShHk/MXVK5yoFBGckTJOBQPuVn0bE4p6rH0YOHjnM3N1NHEd Tmu4oDz4xfrPlGcJG+zn96/L//+Nybpjv/P1SZ1luVavhvBQse7jpqokA4Clh5BZn86Y7QUbf WPeXLVowgx/Ww0aEOdaXKV020eV55bhg3mZXxrZ92Zwj97XLvFwrkNJkv3p/js/nxPnkyfaQG XEpmlz6NsK7FwnfbT9gaD6XVJsb3r5NCMFgThjWYyV/KbOhgPXa39XO0atgNYVthx+zFQBwid tXKA1NWFYD/EohfN1lYjunWbyiJoFo694cVlwLYcE2B0aWi+yzMkF30JldfrpPhLfTrLbvaMV GKr5Fz6xl5gxle+OJ6vGU0UZTgrfE9MWaAKNFO1mQTo8wP70cukS97KCTG5SdmQtfwqACokLP fFKuwMCFXrhBz3TEq/wEyPvqBaG1uAdeOHvX2UBzzjIraN3c6w5xtTTDcGOF/aiOkE40Wv4or D9oI2Oq2TpsE9hj8PaJAikY4KkmUr+3wqRgm5qGpWk8D+PT8SJG0TH1IJ3w= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CFB7A6DD9A X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.86 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[233.105.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.56)[0.561,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.91)[0.907,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.89)[0.886,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[24.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.12)[ip: (0.40), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.34), asn: 8560(1.54), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:49:05 -0000 On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 14:58:23 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > On 6 Apr 2019, at 07:33, Polytropon wrote: > > > > System: FreeBSD 12.0-p3 i386. > > > > I recently discovered that the WHAT column in the output > > of the "w" command has become unusable, and "man w" does > > not seem to indicate any user control for the formatting > > of the columns. > > > > The column WHAT now can only show up to 3 (in words: three) > > characters on a standard 80-column terminal. I will put a > > How long has it been since an 80 column terminal was standard? That doesn't matter. Terminal width has implications on how you code (yes, really!) and how you process (read) things. For example, why do you think your everyday newspaper has several columns for text instead of having long text spanning the full page width? > > ruler on top for illustration: > > > > ....+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5....+....6....+....7....+....8 > > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > > > > Things like "xinit" become "xin", and any longer command > > cannot be easily identified anymore. Columns 79 and 80 > > aren't used at all. > > > > For comparison: On an older system, I get this layout: > > > > ....+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5....+....6....+....7....+....8 > > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > > > > This is more than 20 characters for the WHAT field. > > Does it depend on the contents of "From"? Hmm, no, it doesn't seem too. Yes, I already checked this. Even with short text entries such as "-" or ":0" the column is that wide. > however, I will say that getting the from field cut-off in > `w` is a lot more of an issue than the WHAT column, I think. There is a preference in seeing all relevant information to a degree where it is understandable (or can be used to decide if more precise information is needed, usually from other programs). That "overview" function of the w command is very useful (or at least, has been, before "xin", "mce", and other abbreviated things... > You could always output as json or xml and do your own thing. Yes, I've seen that in the manual and tried it, but it does not seem to contain the full information either. Example: WHAT xin les /us If processed with "w --libxo json", the following information can be obtained from the "command" field: xin (xinit) les (less) -> filename missing less /COPYRIGHT /us (xzgv) -> full path missing /usr/local/bin/xzgv So the information isn't just displayed incompletely when the terminal width is "insufficient", its export to an external format is also _not_ working (independently). My assumption: Even if it cannot be displayed, it should be exported. But no. With a width of about 150 columns, the information is there: WHAT xinit /home/poly/.xinitrc -- /usr/local/bin/X :0 -auth /home/poly/.serverauth.1132 less /COPYRIGHT /usr/local/bin/xzgv But with such a wide terminal, coding is terrible, and the reduction in font size makes reading even more inconvenient. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...