From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 00:44:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02828 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:44:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02792 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbowser@erols.com) Received: from erols.com (207-172-128-154.s27.as3.col.erols.com [207.172.128.154]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA10144 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 03:43:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3514CFDD.ACBF63E7@erols.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 03:46:21 -0500 From: James Kevin Bowser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 03:11:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18829 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 03:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18824; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 03:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00365; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:10:57 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980322221053.08967@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:10:53 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redundancy References: <3.0.5.32.19980322001904.007a4e90@silk.net> <3514D4D7.BB5BFB1E@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3514D4D7.BB5BFB1E@dal.net>; from Studded on Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 01:07:35AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 01:07:35AM -0800, Studded wrote: > Geoff Jukema wrote: > > > Who needs the volunteer for reading the documentation? I'll help wherever i > > can, i'm always willing to read references and docs. > > I think making sure text files etc are correct, that is up to everyone. > > Anytime theres a proplem with text, i guess we should keep a record of it, > > then compile them in one searchable document, weather it be paper or screen > > format. > > Thank you. :) All you need to participate is to start reading the FAQ > and Handbook and mail freebsd-doc@freebsd.org when you find something > that needs updating. You could also subscribe to that list if you're > interested in more of the discussion stuff about the docs. For those who don't know I should explain that Doug is a volunteer who has been giving good easy to understand advice on freebsd-questions for quite some time, and has recently rejoined the freebsd-doc mailing list since taking on the job of coordinating the text files for the next CD. I'm really unsure whether or not newbies would be welcome to descend upon the documentation team in freebsd-doc. I've heard different opinions about whether that would change the way freebsd-doc works and whether or not that would be a good thing. Since a member of that mailing list has invited the newbies to rock on over I'm sending a copy of this email to both lists. An alternative would be to encourage the use of freebsd-newbies by anyone who wants to ask *us* for help for a change. There would be some advantages in that. It is clear that we don't know enough about how anything gets done for FreeBSD, or who does it, let alone how we could join in. Different people have different responsibilities. For example, it's my job to make sure that newbies have their own space to find ways of getting what they need. I know about a lot of what goes on, but it might be much better to hear directly from the people who are responsible for the different projects. That way nobody would ever sound like they're speaking on behalf of anyone else. The only problem I see with this is that some of you said you want to do things your own way. Some of you want to write your own documentation by yourselves, independent of the other the documentation work. You see it as a valuable way to learn and don't want to be told what it should look like for newbies. If I understand correctly, you just want the chance to get on and do it. There might be other newbies wanting to do someting else here without any expert directing them. There is no other place where you can do that. But maybe having our own space is not so important, or maybe the occasional visitor is OK if they don't break anything :-) It's up to the rest of you newbies to come to a single decision, and before you can decide on anything you have to find something that newbies agree on. And before you can do that you'll need time to talk among yourselves without anyone else's opinions. Right now we hardly know each other. I think the people in freebsd-doc will have some decisions to make as a whole group too. Doug, have you got all the people you need for your project or are you looking for newbies to volunteer? There are some other people who were looking for volunteers. It looks like some newbies are keen to help, so speak up. PS This is going to both lists, so be careful when you reply. Delete one address if you don't want it to go to both. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 04:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28883 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:36:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28877 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:36:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous221.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.221]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06131; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:31:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA00851; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:22:55 +0100 (MET) To: Steve Price Cc: Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow query-pr-summary.cgi script References: <19980320144241.49293@malaria.cs.tu-berlin.de> <3513D44F.A6AE072F@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <3514623B.167EB0E7@hiwaay.net> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 22 Mar 1998 12:22:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: Steve Price's message of Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:58:35 -0600 Message-ID: Lines: 21 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price writes: > I know this is a big problem, which I am attempting to > address along with a bunch of other big problems in > GNATS. > > Having GNATS on hub is a big part of the problem. I > would like to move GNATS to catfish, but the last time > I tried I got some errors due to its mail setup. I > will check again shortly to see if this has been fixed. I guess you mean freefall, not catfish. The gnats files are on disk /d, locally mounted on freefall. All gnats files together are ~30MB large. A local full text search took 5 sec, a full text search from hub over NFS more than 30 sec (bottleneck ethernet). A workaround would be to move the gnats cgi scripts from hub to freefall. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 04:36:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28939 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28931; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous221.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.221]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06133; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:31:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA00820; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:13:55 +0100 (MET) To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, GNATS Meister Subject: Re: Slow query-pr-summary.cgi script References: <19980320144241.49293@malaria.cs.tu-berlin.de> <3513D44F.A6AE072F@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 22 Mar 1998 12:13:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: Jun Kuriyama's message of Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:53:03 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 15 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jun Kuriyama writes: > Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > query-pr-summary.cgi run 13-20 seconds for a simple request. This is > > terrible slow. Sometimes it needs 150 (!!) seconds. > > I felt this delay from when I used it for the first time (about 1 year > ago). I think this delay is normal operation period because hub (aka > www) sometimes takes heavy loads and ${gnats-adm}/index has over 6000 > PRs and 400KB of size. Parsing ${gnats-adm}/index took 0.3 sec with perl and 0.04 sec with awk. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 05:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01124 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 05:10:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw (bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.18.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA01060 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 05:09:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw) From: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw Received: (qmail 8209 invoked by uid 9999); 22 Mar 1998 13:09:45 -0000 Date: 22 Mar 1998 13:09:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980322130945.8208.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Reply-To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi! If I want to mirror,what to do this? X-Disclaimer: 臺大電機 Maxwell 站對本信內容恕不負責。 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : Hi! If I want to mirror the full homepage of http://www.freebsd.org, : what to do this? http://www.freebsd.org/README.mirror http://www.freebsd.org/mirror.html : Central University at Taiwan student! Taiwan Official mirror site: ftp://freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw/source/www/data or ftp://freebsd.ntu.edu.tw/freebsd/www/data/www.freebsd.org/ woju To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 08:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20094 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:59:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20085 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:59:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net (tnt3-238.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.238]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA02780; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:58:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35154327.59E2B600@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:58:15 -0600 From: Steve Price X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider CC: Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow query-pr-summary.cgi script References: <19980320144241.49293@malaria.cs.tu-berlin.de> <3513D44F.A6AE072F@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> <3514623B.167EB0E7@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > I guess you mean freefall, not catfish. The gnats files > are on disk /d, locally mounted on freefall. All gnats files > together are ~30MB large. A local full text search > took 5 sec, a full text search from hub over NFS more than > 30 sec (bottleneck ethernet). Yes the files do reside on freefall and are symlinked on hub. My suggestion is to move the whole thing to catfish: PR repository, scripts, etc. > A workaround would be to move the gnats cgi scripts from hub to > freefall. The load on both of these machines is huge. I don't know what -core's intentions are for catfish but IMHO it would be the logical place for GNATS considering its current load. Steve > -- > Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 11:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21645 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp6414.on.bellglobal.com (ppp1656.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21597 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp6414.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00905; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:51:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp6414.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@ppp6414.on.bellglobal.com Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Wolfram Schneider cc: Steve Price , Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow query-pr-summary.cgi script In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22 Mar 1998, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > I guess you mean freefall, not catfish. The gnats files > are on disk /d, locally mounted on freefall. All gnats files > together are ~30MB large. A local full text search > took 5 sec, a full text search from hub over NFS more than > 30 sec (bottleneck ethernet). Then why does... $ uname -n freefall.freebsd.org $ uptime 11:44AM up 2 days, 18:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.30, 0.16, 0.11 $ time query-pr --multitext=Yggdrasilfyina query-pr: no PRs matched 70.15 real 7.47 user 3.43 sys This take so long (-state=open is much faster, of course)? -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 16:37:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08029 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:37:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08019 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ekidd@email.msn.com) Received: from default - 153.37.69.47 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:36:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000101bd55f3$cc30b540$2f452599@default> From: "CerealMaN" To: Subject: help Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:36:41 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey, im downloading freebsd now, i know there's probably a doc about this but i want someone to tell me as if i was 5. can i do a dual boot with freeBsD and windows95?, How do i do it if possable?, and are there any steps i should take note of installing freeBsD from windows95? please help me..... CerealMaN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 19:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05253 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (root@jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05229 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:37:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul7.u.washington.edu (root@saul7.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.2]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id TAA22634 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:37:07 -0800 Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul7.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id TAA31890 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:37:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: teenie weenie correction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/ports/x11.html The port for lesstif has incremented to version .83 Hey, I said it was teenie weenie.... :) Keep up the great work. Have fun, | Stop warning me about the latest virus. Learn more... Jason Wells | http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 20:40:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17368 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:40:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17348 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:40:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07254; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:36:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:36:56 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: CerealMaN cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help In-Reply-To: <000101bd55f3$cc30b540$2f452599@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, CerealMaN wrote: > hey, im downloading freebsd now, i know there's probably a doc about this > but i want someone to tell me as if i was 5. can i do a dual boot with > freeBsD and windows95?, How do i do it if possable?, and are there any steps > i should take note of installing freeBsD from windows95? > please help me..... > > CerealMaN Yes; best to install 95 first, as it will wipe out the Master Boot Record, which is where the boot manager goes. FreeBSD will offer to install this for you, and you do want it. But you may prefer to install a different one (e.g., osbs) from the (I think) tools directory. See http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials for a tutorial on multi-os booting and a tutorial for new users, among others. You can also search the mailing list archives on www.freebsd.org on this topic and many others. Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 22 20:53:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20358 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp6493.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20327 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:53:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00262; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:51:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:51:35 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: teenie weenie correction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/ports/x11.html > > The port for lesstif has incremented to version .83 These files are auto-generated, and it will be fixed/updated in due time... :-) -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 12:50:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04614 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:50:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (Studded@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04534 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from localhost (dougdougdougdoug@localhost) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA18199 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:50:40 GMT (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:50:40 -0800 (PST) From: Studded X-Sender: dougdougdougdoug@dt050n33.san.rr.com To: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's a patch to correct some small technical inaccuracies, style nits, etc. in relnotes.sgml. More changes might be desirable, however these were the things that leapt out at me. Doug --- relnotes.sgml.Dist Mon Mar 23 11:51:50 1998 +++ relnotes.sgml Mon Mar 23 12:29:41 1998 @@ -8,17 +8,17 @@ About the Current Release

FreeBSD is a freely available, full source 4.4BSD-Lite - based release for Intel i386/i486/Pentium/PentiumPro (or - compatible) based PC's. It is based primarily on + based release for Intel i386/i486/Pentium/PentiumPro/Pentium II + (or compatible) based PC's. It is based primarily on software from U.C. Berkeley's CSRG group, with some - enhancements from NetBSD, 386BSD, and the Free Software - Foundation. + enhancements from NetBSD, OpenBSD, 386BSD, and the Free + Software Foundation. Since our release of FreeBSD 2.0 in January of 95, the performance, feature set, and stability of FreeBSD has improved dramatically. The largest change is a - revamped VM system with a merged VM/file buffer cache - that not only increases performance, but reduces + revamped virtual memory system with a merged VM/file buffer + cache that not only increases performance, but reduces FreeBSD's memory footprint, making a 5MB configuration a more acceptable minimum. Other enhancements include full NIS client and server support, transaction TCP @@ -36,20 +36,20 @@ In addition to the base distributions, FreeBSD offers a new ported software collection with hundreds of commonly - sought-after programs. At the beginning of July 97 there were - more than 1000 ports ! The list of ports ranges from + sought-after programs. At the end of March 1998 there were + more than 1300 ports! The list of ports ranges from http (WWW) servers, to games, languages, editors and almost everything in between. The entire ports collection - requires only 10MB of storage, all ports being expressed - as ``deltas'' to their original sources. This makes it - much easier for us to update ports, and greatly reduces + requires approximately 26MB of storage, all ports being + expressed as ``deltas'' to their original sources. This makes + it much easier for us to update ports, and greatly reduces the disk space demands made by the older 1.0 ports collection. To compile a port, you simply change to the directory of the program you wish to install, type ``make all'' followed by ``make install'' after successful compilation and let the system do the rest. The full original distribution for each port you build is retrieved - dynamically off of CDROM or a local ftp site, so you need + dynamically off the CDROM or a local ftp site, so you need only enough disk space to build the ports you want. (Almost) every port is also provided as a pre-compiled "package" which can be installed with a simple command @@ -60,8 +60,8 @@ very helpful in the process of installing and using FreeBSD may now also be found in the /usr/share/doc directory on any machine running - FreeBSD 2.1 or later. You may view the - manuals with any HTML capable browser with the + FreeBSD 2.1 or later. You may view the locally installed + manuals with any HTML capable browser using the following URLs: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 14:06:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22497 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22484; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:06:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19199; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:06:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:06:22 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0316 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Docs Team Subject: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2529895624CD58CEA959D5A6" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2529895624CD58CEA959D5A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think this went through the first time. Doug --------------2529895624CD58CEA959D5A6 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: Studded X-Sender: dougdougdougdoug@dt050n33.san.rr.com Subject: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Status: Here's a patch to correct some small technical inaccuracies, style nits, etc. in relnotes.sgml. More changes might be desirable, however these were the things that leapt out at me. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) --- relnotes.sgml.Dist Mon Mar 23 11:51:50 1998 +++ relnotes.sgml Mon Mar 23 12:29:41 1998 @@ -8,17 +8,17 @@ About the Current Release

FreeBSD is a freely available, full source 4.4BSD-Lite - based release for Intel i386/i486/Pentium/PentiumPro (or - compatible) based PC's. It is based primarily on + based release for Intel i386/i486/Pentium/PentiumPro/Pentium II + (or compatible) based PC's. It is based primarily on software from U.C. Berkeley's CSRG group, with some - enhancements from NetBSD, 386BSD, and the Free Software - Foundation. + enhancements from NetBSD, OpenBSD, 386BSD, and the Free + Software Foundation. Since our release of FreeBSD 2.0 in January of 95, the performance, feature set, and stability of FreeBSD has improved dramatically. The largest change is a - revamped VM system with a merged VM/file buffer cache - that not only increases performance, but reduces + revamped virtual memory system with a merged VM/file buffer + cache that not only increases performance, but reduces FreeBSD's memory footprint, making a 5MB configuration a more acceptable minimum. Other enhancements include full NIS client and server support, transaction TCP @@ -36,20 +36,20 @@ In addition to the base distributions, FreeBSD offers a new ported software collection with hundreds of commonly - sought-after programs. At the beginning of July 97 there were - more than 1000 ports ! The list of ports ranges from + sought-after programs. At the end of March 1998 there were + more than 1300 ports! The list of ports ranges from http (WWW) servers, to games, languages, editors and almost everything in between. The entire ports collection - requires only 10MB of storage, all ports being expressed - as ``deltas'' to their original sources. This makes it - much easier for us to update ports, and greatly reduces + requires approximately 26MB of storage, all ports being + expressed as ``deltas'' to their original sources. This makes + it much easier for us to update ports, and greatly reduces the disk space demands made by the older 1.0 ports collection. To compile a port, you simply change to the directory of the program you wish to install, type ``make all'' followed by ``make install'' after successful compilation and let the system do the rest. The full original distribution for each port you build is retrieved - dynamically off of CDROM or a local ftp site, so you need + dynamically off the CDROM or a local ftp site, so you need only enough disk space to build the ports you want. (Almost) every port is also provided as a pre-compiled "package" which can be installed with a simple command @@ -60,8 +60,8 @@ very helpful in the process of installing and using FreeBSD may now also be found in the /usr/share/doc directory on any machine running - FreeBSD 2.1 or later. You may view the - manuals with any HTML capable browser with the + FreeBSD 2.1 or later. You may view the locally installed + manuals with any HTML capable browser using the following URLs: --------------2529895624CD58CEA959D5A6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 15:49:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15278 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:49:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15273 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:49:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27504; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Studded cc: Docs Team Subject: Re: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:06:22 PST." <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:49:06 -0800 Message-ID: <27500.890696946@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I don't think this went through the first time. I didn't see it, no. The changes look good - committed! Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 16:10:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19988 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:10:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19982 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19872; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:40:29 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA15234; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:40:28 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980324104027.33696@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:40:27 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Studded Cc: FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] References: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net>; from Studded on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 02:06:22PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 23 March 1998 at 14:06:22 -0800, Studded wrote: > I don't think this went through the first time. > --- relnotes.sgml.Dist Mon Mar 23 11:51:50 1998 > +++ relnotes.sgml Mon Mar 23 12:29:41 1998 > @@ -8,17 +8,17 @@ > About the Current Release > (etc) I do, but I don't think it should. There's potential for lots of this kind of change, and it would just clog up our mailboxes. What do the others think? Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 16:13:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20635 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:13:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20624 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA08704; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:13:21 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA20837; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:13:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980324011316.17970@follo.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:13:16 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Greg Lehey , Studded Cc: FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] References: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> <19980324104027.33696@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980324104027.33696@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 10:40:27AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 10:40:27AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Mon, 23 March 1998 at 14:06:22 -0800, Studded wrote: > > I don't think this went through the first time. > > --- relnotes.sgml.Dist Mon Mar 23 11:51:50 1998 > > +++ relnotes.sgml Mon Mar 23 12:29:41 1998 > > @@ -8,17 +8,17 @@ > > About the Current Release > > (etc) > > I do, but I don't think it should. There's potential for lots of this > kind of change, and it would just clog up our mailboxes. What do the > others think? The problems should be fixed; either send it as a PR, or send it to somebody that has volunteered to commit it, or whatever. It should go in. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 16:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20821 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20780 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:14:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19881; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:44:45 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA15276; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:44:45 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980324104445.41742@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:44:45 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Eivind Eklund , Studded Cc: FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] References: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> <19980324104027.33696@freebie.lemis.com> <19980324011316.17970@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980324011316.17970@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 01:13:16AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 March 1998 at 1:13:16 +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 10:40:27AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Mon, 23 March 1998 at 14:06:22 -0800, Studded wrote: >>> I don't think this went through the first time. >>> --- relnotes.sgml.Dist Mon Mar 23 11:51:50 1998 >>>>>> relnotes.sgml Mon Mar 23 12:29:41 1998 >>> @@ -8,17 +8,17 @@ >>> About the Current Release >>> (etc) >> >> I do, but I don't think it should. There's potential for lots of this >> kind of change, and it would just clog up our mailboxes. What do the >> others think? > > The problems should be fixed; either send it as a PR, or send it to > somebody that has volunteered to commit it, or whatever. It should go > in. Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I had no problem with the changes, just with broadcasting them to the list rather than just committing them. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 16:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21525 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21519 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA08782; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:18:41 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA20873; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:18:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980324011841.53610@follo.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:18:41 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Greg Lehey , Studded Cc: FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] References: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> <19980324104027.33696@freebie.lemis.com> <19980324011316.17970@follo.net> <19980324104445.41742@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980324104445.41742@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 10:44:45AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 10:44:45AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I had no problem with the > changes, just with broadcasting them to the list rather than just > committing them. Doug ("Studded") isn't a committer. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 16:21:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21917 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21911 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19896; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:50:55 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA15341; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:50:54 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980324105054.61788@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:50:54 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Eivind Eklund Cc: FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] References: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> <19980324104027.33696@freebie.lemis.com> <19980324011316.17970@follo.net> <19980324104445.41742@freebie.lemis.com> <19980324011841.53610@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980324011841.53610@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 01:18:41AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 March 1998 at 1:18:41 +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 10:44:45AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I had no problem with the >> changes, just with broadcasting them to the list rather than just >> committing them. > > Doug ("Studded") isn't a committer. I understand. That's why he sent them to Jordan. No problem. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 16:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26435 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:40:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26423 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:40:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11755; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson Reply-To: Annelise Anderson To: nik@iii.co.uk cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doc "renovation" project volunteer In-Reply-To: <19980319102104.61658@iii.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > I think we need to recognise that different people expect different things > from the documentation. Those at the beginning of the learning curve need > more 'hand-holding', more examples and more explanations than those who > are familiar with 'the Unix way of doing things'. > > Some people just want short FAQ lists, so they can get to the meat of > the solution to whatever problem they're having and solve it quickly. > Still others want to understand why you need to do x, y and z in order > to get something to work. Yes, I agree. > > About the only thing that links these documents is the task they describe. > > For example, "Setting up PPP" can probably be split into > > - The PPP FAQs > - A PPP Quickstart/tutorial > - PPP in depth > > Right now, those three roles are split between the FAQ, the tutorials and > the Handbook. > > I'd like to see (and this is some months away, believe me) a system where > by all these things are suitably marked up. The documentation build process > can then be automated. > > This gets to the point where the documentation builder can > > - Run one command, and all the FAQs from all the topics are collated > and built. The result of this is called "The FreeBSD FAQ". > > - Run another command, and all the quickstart tutorials are collated > and built. The result of this is called "The FreeBSD tutorials". > > - Run yet another command and all the in depth stuff is collated and > built. This is called "The FreeBSD Handbook". > > - Run still another command and get the "Everything you need to know > about PPP" documentation set, which consists of the FAQs, the > tutorials and the Handbook. > > and, naturally, the result of this process will be available in HTML, > plain text, RTF, Postscript, PDF. . . > > Thinking about this some more, there are other categories as well. For > example "All the e-mail that's been sent to -questions about PPP" is one > of them. > > In essence, I think you need to view all the documentation resources about > FreeBSD has a homogenous lump that can be manipulated and extracted in > different ways. I think this sounds great; I agree. In addition to the resources we can name, there's likely to be stuff collected via mail messages, newsgroups, and web surfing. > > > --It seems to me that one useful feature of a documentation system > > in this rapidly changing world would be a way to manage multiple documents > > from different sources (e.g., documents or articles mailed or saved to a > > file from Usenet, mailing lists, web pages, ftp sites) that may relate to > > the same topic. (I have a pretty good way to do this in dos but nothing > > really equivalent in unix....at least not that I know of.) > > How do you do this in DOS? I do it with a program Lotus sold between about 1989 and 1993, called Magellan (not the same as the search engine by that name). Basically Magellan indexed files it was told to index (skipping *.exe and the like if asked to do so). The index could be searched and would very quickly provide a file list in a left-hand column and the text of the document on the right. It was then possible to search for (other) specific text or go through the documents rather quickly using the arrow key. It was furthermore (and this was/is important to me) possible to mark text and send it to a new file (and append to that file). It furthermore had viewers for major software formats, so it could index and correctly display word processor files, spreadsheet files, etc., and even gifs. I'm not sure why Lotus quit updating it and selling it--perhaps because it does in fact have limits; it really is a dos program that doesn't use memory above 640k (at least not above 1 meg). It thus can't handle more than about 10,000 (maybe 12,000) files and a gigabyte or so of data, which for me is beginning to be a limitation. Once the index is built (and you can build as many as you like), it's very fast, much faster than glimpse. Glimpse with a front end that actually views files would be a comparable setup. Glimpse is sort of slow when a moderate size drive (e.g., 1.6 gigabytes) has been indexed, but what it really needs is the front end. > > --There seems not to be anyone in charge, who functions as the > > interface between the core team and the rest of the world and has enough > > authority to make some decisions. > > What sort of decisions? Overall direction, who's going to do what, what the priorities are. E.g., is it desirable to develop Linux-style "how-to" documents that might, in certain areas, cross-cut these other resources discussed above? One area where a cross-cutting "how to" might be worthwhile is samba. There's some role for overall policy-setting (yes or no to linux-style how-to's; if no maybe yes to something else) and keeping track of volunteers or even actively recruiting people on specific topics. Another kind of decision is the review/publication decision--is a particular document ready for prime time, does it need review, if so how does it get reviewed? (All the while taking account of the fact that all the people involved are volunteers.) > > --The one part of the whole documentation project that seems to > > have direction and make progress is the uh, what do you call it, creating > > documents in sgml and being able to produce them in any other format. > > This is going well, but it's only one piece of the puzzle (although an > > interesting one). > > For me, that's because > > - It relates to a part of what I do in my day job, so I can be learning > about it in 'fun' context as well as a 'work' context. > > - I'm weird enough that I find this kind of thing intellectually > stimulating anyway. > > - Having the information in a usable form is a pre-requisite for being > able to do useful things with it. > > After I've got the conversion process nicely automated I expect to be able > to turn more of my attention to the fun stuff outlined above. > It sounds very interesting. Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 18:10:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11159 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:10:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mortis.futuresouth.com ([209.45.209.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11055; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:10:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@mortis.futuresouth.com) Received: from localhost (fullermd@localhost) by mortis.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA10179; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:13:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:13:53 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew Fuller X-Sender: fullermd@mortis To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Call for review: installation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've redone the installation documentation, from scratch basically. It consists now of two parts: the installation instructions, which guide you through the installation from your decision to run FreeBSD, and the installation checklist, which details the things you need and how to prepare for the installation. I'd like to get some reviewers on this. I've CC:'d newbies since there's probably a fair number of people there fresh from the install who could give some unique viewpoints on it. The instructions are at: http://mortis.futuresouth.com/~fullermd/freebsd/install.html They're pretty rough at the moment, as I haven't had time to polish them up with the press of other work. But I think they're pretty thorough. Let me know what you think! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@mortis.futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 20:01:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00784 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:01:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from viper.global-impact.com (viper.global-impact.com [198.242.111.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00724 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@global-impact.com) From: admin@global-impact.com Received: from max1 (ppp-196.shadow.net [209.4.38.216]) by viper.global-impact.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA15968 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:02:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980323225918.00686640@global-impact.com> X-Sender: globali@global-impact.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:03:28 +0000 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Please pass this message to the direct party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please pass this message to the direct party Thank you! I have been running a FREEBSD server for 1 1/2 years.. I just recently installed a TEAM FORTRESS / QUAKE server on the site. Just today server was taken down by a program called WINNUKER or BITCH SLAP! I believe these programs over load the ping and crash the server. How can I stop this fomr happening to the server IP 198.242.111.31:27500 Port 27500 is were the QUAKE SERVER sits and gets crashed! Bare in mind, they can not crash the entire server, just the port with program! H E L P!!!! Thank you for your time! IF IPFW FIREWALL is the answer, how would I stop them from doing this? Thanks again! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 21:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12720 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb1.san.rr.com (proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12695; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by proxyb1.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA24588; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:02:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803240502.VAA24588@proxyb1.san.rr.com> From: "Studded" To: "jkh@freebsd.org" Cc: "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" , "FreeBSD Stable List" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 21:02:46 -0800 Reply-To: "Studded" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New FOO.TXT docs available for review Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm done with what I think is a pretty good draft of the various FOO.TXT documents for the root directory of the CD. Basically what I did was edit the exisiting information. I put it in a more consistent format (and reformatted a bit to make printing in DOS easier) and reorganized the files with all similar information in the same file. No information from the original files was omitted, however numerous small typos and inaccuracies were corrected. I've put them up at http://home.san.rr.com/freebsd. The are available now by typing in the names of the files (below). In a few minutes I'll have an html interface available at http://home.san.rr.com/freebsd/readme.html. You need to type the filenames in lower case. I can send the whole package tgz'ed if desired. Please direct any feedback to -stable. I'll be on tonight and I can make changes as desired. Enjoy, Doug ROAD MAP: README.TXT This file ABOUT.TXT All about FreeBSD, including contact information RELNOTES.TXT Release Notes - what's new & different in this release OVERVIEW.TXT Information about the layout of the release directory. If you are installing from floppies, it is especially important that you *read this section!* HARDWARE.TXT Information about the configuration of the GENERIC kernel and supported hardware IMPORTNT.TXT Important information you should read before doing an upgrade or new installation INSTALL.TXT How to make a new installation of FreeBSD on your PC using the data you see here UPGRADE.TXT How to upgrade your existing FreeBSD installation TROUBLE.TXT Troubleshooting information *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 4,710 clients and still growing. :-) *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) *** Part of the DALnet IRC network *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 23 22:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24959 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:07:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24954; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01492; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:07:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <35174D94.59BF367A@dal.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:07:16 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0316 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: FreeBSD Documenters , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Handbook nits (relnotes.sgml) (fwd)] References: <3516DCDE.565808B9@dal.net> <19980324104027.33696@freebie.lemis.com> <19980324011316.17970@follo.net> <19980324104445.41742@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc'ing Jordan since I'm not sure he's on this list.] Greg Lehey wrote: > Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I had no problem with the > changes, just with broadcasting them to the list rather than just > committing them. First, sorry for the spam, a local problem with pine combined with uncharacteristically slow response from this list caused me to be overcautious given the impending release tag. As it turns out all 3 went through, just slowly. :-/ As for sending the changes here, my intention was both peer review and finding someone to commit them. :) We haven't discussed this aspect of the project yet, so I'm open to suggestions. These were small changes, but as larger changes are contemplated we should have a system in place. Thanks for your patience, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 24 02:13:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04091 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04073; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23062; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Studded" cc: "jkh@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" , "FreeBSD Stable List" Subject: Re: New FOO.TXT docs available for review In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:02:46 PST." <199803240502.VAA24588@proxyb1.san.rr.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:13:07 -0800 Message-ID: <23058.890734387@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm done with what I think is a pretty good draft of the various > FOO.TXT documents for the root directory of the CD. Basically what I did Thanks! I've grabbed these and, after exercising just a bit of editorial license, committed them. Mike Smith also rewrote the upgrade section from scratch & I created a seed ERRATA to start with this time. I think what we have there now looks a lot better. Thanks again! Better late than never in this instance. :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 24 06:33:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04050 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imap.ncsa.es (correo.nexus.es [194.179.50.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04029 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:33:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesusr@ncsa.es) Received: from jesus.nexus.es (piolin.ncsa.es [194.179.50.134]) by imap.ncsa.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA08015 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:43:23 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: "Jesus Rodriguez" From: "Jesus Rodriguez" To: Subject: Spanish faq translation Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:35:06 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5732$0a5277c0$8632b3c2@jesus.nexus.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello... Do you know if there is some spanish version of freebsd faq ??... if not, i would be interested in working about this. I'm using freebsd more than 2 years ago and i would like to work on this way. Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------------------- Jesus Rodriguez (jesusr@ncsa.es) Dpto. Tecnico Nexus Comunicaciones, S.A. Telf. 902-466664 --------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 24 07:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11719 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11712 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:40:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06629; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:40:05 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA29199; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:40:02 GMT Message-ID: <19980324154001.24795@iii.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:40:02 +0000 To: Jesus Rodriguez Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spanish faq translation References: <01bd5732$0a5277c0$8632b3c2@jesus.nexus.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <01bd5732$0a5277c0$8632b3c2@jesus.nexus.es>; from Jesus Rodriguez on Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 03:35:06PM +0100 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 03:35:06PM +0100, Jesus Rodriguez wrote: > Do you know if there is some spanish version of freebsd faq ??... Not to the best of my knowledge. > if not, i > would be interested in working about this. I'm using freebsd more than 2 > years ago and i would like to work on this way. Great. I don't think anyone else is working on this at the moment, so this would be a good way to give something back to FreeBSD. Have you been able to look at how the FAQ is organised at the moment? By this I mean the different .sgml files that make up the FAQ, and the process that's used to turn these SGML files into HTML, Postscript, plain text and so on? If you have, that's fantastic. If you haven't, it's probably a good place to start. Using CTM or CVSup (see the "Staying current with FreeBSD" section in the Handbook) you'll want to download the 'doc-all' distribution, and then take a look at the files in /usr/doc, which should hopefully be self explanatory. If you've got questions, or you've already done the steps outlined above, please get back in touch so we can push this forward. Thanks for volunteering, N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 24 10:36:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08195 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:36:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imap.ncsa.es (correo.nexus.es [194.179.50.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08174 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesusr@ncsa.es) Received: from jesus.nexus.es (piolin.ncsa.es [194.179.50.134]) by imap.ncsa.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12492 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:45:59 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: "Jesus Rodriguez" From: "Jesus Rodriguez" To: Subject: ctm and cvsup Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:37:41 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd5753$ed703da0$8632b3c2@jesus.nexus.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi... I'm trying to "download" the doc-all distribution but, i'm lost :( ... can any one give some point about how to do it ??... i want working on faq translation to spanish and Nik has told me: ../ Using CTM or CVSup (see the "Staying current with FreeBSD" section in the Handbook) you'll want to download the 'doc-all' distribution, and then take a look at the files in /usr/doc, which should hopefully be self explanatory. ../ I've read the handbook but i don't know how to do it (i've never used before the cvsup or ctm). Only one thing more... which sgml editor you use?? jade ?? Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------------------- Jesus Rodriguez (jesusr@ncsa.es) Dpto. Tecnico Nexus Comunicaciones, S.A. Telf. 902-466664 --------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 03:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19591 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19583; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21300; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:00:58 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA00386; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:00:53 GMT Message-ID: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:00:53 +0000 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, mbarkah@FreeBSD.ORG, paul@FreeBSD.ORG, dave@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, [ sent to -doc, and a few individuals who should definitely see this before it's committed ] Based on comments made on this list and to me in private over the past week or so, I've made a stab at rewriting and expanding some of the information about the project that's available on the web site. The aim is to make the public face for the DocProj appear more open and approachable. If you go to you'll see my proposed replacement for I put this together in about an hour and a half last night, so I've undoubtedly missed stuff, or phrased things confusingly. I know that I've repeated some of the information that's available in other places, particularly the Handbook. However, many of the comments I've read have been about how the necessary information isn't all in one place. I know the proper solution is to get all this stuff into the Handbook, but I don't see a long queue of volunteers submitting diffs, so this is, at least, a start. I'd appreciate folks taking a look at this, letting me know what they think. If the overall reaction is positive I'll commit it next week (which should give enough time for any discussion it generates). Feel free to repost this to other lists, if you think it's appropriate. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 04:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25608 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA25602 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:01:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12635; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:00:54 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA04893; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:00:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980325130053.52252@follo.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:00:53 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:00:53AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:00:53AM +0000, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > I'd appreciate folks taking a look at this, letting me know what they think. > If the overall reaction is positive I'll commit it next week (which should > give enough time for any discussion it generates). Looks good. I'd like a suggestion that people proofread their diffs, though. It is usually much easier to see that no bad changes has sneaked in at that point than earlier. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 06:11:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13671 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imap.ncsa.es (correo.nexus.es [194.179.50.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13656 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesusr@ncsa.es) Received: from jesus.nexus.es (piolin.ncsa.es [194.179.50.134]) by imap.ncsa.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01362 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:21:40 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: "Jesus Rodriguez" From: "Jesus Rodriguez" To: Subject: faq.sgml Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:13:13 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd57f8$25d58ca0$8632b3c2@jesus.nexus.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello... I'm trying to find the last version of faq.sgml (i have what comes with 2.2.5 cd distribution in cvs repository cd). Where can i find it ??. Another thing... what does Attic mean ??. Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------------------- Jesus Rodriguez (jesusr@ncsa.es) Dpto. Tecnico Nexus Comunicaciones, S.A. Telf. 902-466664 --------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 06:31:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16808 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:31:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16795 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:31:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28224; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:31:11 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA01498; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:31:07 GMT Message-ID: <19980325143106.16050@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:31:06 +0000 To: Jesus Rodriguez Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: faq.sgml References: <01bd57f8$25d58ca0$8632b3c2@jesus.nexus.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <01bd57f8$25d58ca0$8632b3c2@jesus.nexus.es>; from Jesus Rodriguez on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 03:13:13PM +0100 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 03:13:13PM +0100, Jesus Rodriguez wrote: > I'm trying to find the last version of faq.sgml (i have what comes with > 2.2.5 cd distribution in cvs repository cd). Where can i find it ??. You need to keep -current with the FreeBSD Documentation. Hopefully, the documentation at is sufficient (that's the "Synchronising source trees over the Internet" section). I recommend CVSup, and if you decide to use it you'll want a supfile that looks something like *default host=cvsup.freebsd.org *default prefix=/usr/local/cvs-reps/FreeBSD *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-all doc-all Be aware: That will download the CVS repositories for all the source and all the documentation. That's about 700MB of data on your disk. If you just want to get the documentation CVS repository, and just get the latest source code you want to change the last two lines to something like src-all tag=. prefix=/usr doc-all > Another thing... what does Attic mean ??. It's where CVS puts files that have been removed. When you remove a file using CVS it's removed from your directory. However, CVS needs to keep track of the file somewhere, since you might (at a later point in time) checkout a version of the code prior to your removal of that file. So CVS moves the file to a directory called "Attic". Hope that makes sense. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 06:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18282 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18272; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:48:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA05609; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:48:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: nik@iii.co.uk cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, mbarkah@FreeBSD.ORG, paul@FreeBSD.ORG, dave@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages In-Reply-To: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > ... > I'd appreciate folks taking a look at this, letting me know what they think. > If the overall reaction is positive I'll commit it next week (which should > give enough time for any discussion it generates). Positive. Very positive. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 08:03:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29415 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29409; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14533; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:02:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35192AB1.43F399D@plutotech.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:02:57 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nik@iii.co.uk CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, mbarkah@FreeBSD.ORG, paul@FreeBSD.ORG, dave@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik: These new pages feel professional yet inviting. I like them. The only nits I have to pick are comprised of punctuation errors and typos: On the `docproj' page, the second paragraph uses "it's" when it should be "its". (The paragraph after that one gets it right.) On the `current' page, the third paragraph should read "whose" instead of "who's". On the `sgml' page, why is the emphasis for `not' in the fourth paragpraph rendered as ``*not*'' instead of using italics or bold? On the `submitting' page, change "how" in the third paragraph (``You should probably...'') to "who". Thanks for taking this on. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 08:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00643 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00636 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:07:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00965; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:07:40 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA01631; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:07:36 GMT Message-ID: <19980325160735.58464@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:07:35 +0000 To: Sean Kelly Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk> <35192AB1.43F399D@plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <35192AB1.43F399D@plutotech.com>; from Sean Kelly on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 09:02:57AM -0700 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 09:02:57AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > The only nits I have to pick are comprised of punctuation errors and > typos: On the `docproj' page, the second paragraph uses "it's" when it > should be "its". (The paragraph after that one gets it right.) > > On the `current' page, the third paragraph should read "whose" instead > of "who's". Noted. I'll fix them this evening. > On the `sgml' page, why is the emphasis for `not' in the fourth > paragpraph rendered as ``*not*'' instead of using italics or bold? Sorry 'bout that. The content of those files was originally one long e-mail that I sent out to someone a day or so ago. I thought I'd caught all of those. > On the `submitting' page, change "how" in the third paragraph (``You > should probably...'') to "who". Damn. Thought I'd got those ones as well. All noted. Thanks for the feedback so far folks. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 12:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29130 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kcwc.com (h1.kcwc.com [206.139.252.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA29120 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:41:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from curt@kcwc.com) Received: from h2.kcwc.com by mail.kcwc.com (NX5.67c/NeXT-2.0-KCWC-1.0) id AA03007; Wed, 25 Mar 98 15:40:18 -0500 From: "Curt Welch" To: Cc: "curt" Subject: Typo in date of 2.2.6 release on newsflash page Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:39:27 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd582e$1ab5bda0$03fc8bce@h2.kcwc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5804.31DFB5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5804.31DFB5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.freebsd.org/newsflash.html says: March 1998 a.. 25-Feb-98 FreeBSD 2.2.6 has been released. See the Release = Information page for details. Also be sure to check the release errata = after installation for any late-breaking issues with 2.2.6 that you = should know about.=20 (Note the 25-Feb-98) ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5804.31DFB5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.freebsd.org/new= sflash.html=20 says:
 

March 1998

  • 25-Feb-98 FreeBSD 2.2.6 has been released. See the Release Information page for = details. Also=20 be sure to check the relea= se=20 errata after installation for any late-breaking issues with = 2.2.6 that=20 you should know about.
(Note the 25-Feb-98)
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5804.31DFB5A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 12:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00294 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from giglio.iol.it (giglio.iol.it [195.210.91.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00222 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:45:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alpcs@iol.it) Received: from default ([195.45.19.118]) by giglio.iol.it (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA12356 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:45:32 +0100 From: "alpcs" To: Subject: help Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:44:25 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd582e$cccf00a0$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5837.2E9368A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5837.2E9368A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to everybody. My name is Andrea and I'm working now on FreeBSD. This is not my first experience with unix based o.s. but I'm jumped in a problem with my wsftp95 client : when I try to access to a ftp server = over the firewall from a win95 machine the firewall block me. I've tried to intall the xinetd, it was in my intention to avoid the IP = change on all my machines (HPUX platform) in order to use legal free IP addresses. It's possible a mistake when I've stopped this but I cannot understand = why=20 I can't pass over the firewall. I've also stopped added the guest and = anonymous names to the ftpusers file (to deny the access to any user that I've not = activated). I'm blocked and in the FAQ parts I've not found my solution. Please can you help me? Thank you anyway. My best regards Andrea alpcs@iol.it ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5837.2E9368A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello to = everybody.
My name is Andrea and = I'm working now=20 on FreeBSD.
This is not my first = experience with=20 unix based o.s. but I'm jumped in a
problem with my wsftp95 client : when I = try to=20 access to a ftp server over
the firewall from a win95 machine the = firewall=20 block me.
I've tried to intall the xinetd, it was = in my=20 intention to avoid the IP change on
all my machines (HPUX platform) in = order to use=20 legal free IP addresses.
It's possible a mistake when I've = stopped this but=20 I cannot understand why
I can't pass over the firewall. I've = also stopped=20 added the guest and anonymous
names to the ftpusers file (to deny the = access to=20 any user that I've not activated).
I'm blocked and in the FAQ parts I've = not found my=20 solution.
Please can you help me?
Thank you anyway.
My best regards
Andrea
 
alpcs@iol.it
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD5837.2E9368A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 14:18:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19314 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:18:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19305 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:18:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01050 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:18:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:18:02 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Docs Team Subject: Doc projects and status References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I started to send this just to John (at his request) but since the release is cut and I have more time to wax eloquent I thought I'd just send it to the list for general conversation. This is in no way intended to be competition with Nik's more detailed page, this is just my take on the priorities as I see them. 1. Initiate discussion about the format for the final form of the docs. I'd like to see a unified document (FAQ + Handbook + Tutorials + new material) with a consistent style and extensive cross-indexing. I'd also like to see a front end for this that takes the form of a "How Do I?" index. That's just my view, but I think there's general consensus on the first bit anyway. 2. Go through what we have with a fine-toothed comb prior to the docbook conversion so that what's on the page now is as accurate and timely as possible. This should be an ongoing "mid-term" goal that just about anyone can participate in. This increases the value of the documentation we have, and small progress towards the final goal can be made while we're discussing the format of that final product. 3. Nik's monumental docbook conversion project. He should be the one who fills in the blanks on this. This is a more long-term goal although work is progressing. 4. Finalize the format of the end product and begin moving toward that goal. Your views? Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 25 20:57:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13487 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:57:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp1712.on.bellglobal.com (ppp1712.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13480 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp1712.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00500; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:55:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp1712.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Sean Kelly cc: nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages In-Reply-To: <35192AB1.43F399D@plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Sean Kelly wrote: > These new pages feel professional yet inviting. I like them. Yes. > The only nits I have to pick are comprised of punctuation errors and > typos: On the `docproj' page, the second paragraph uses "it's" when it > should be "its". (The paragraph after that one gets it right.) Yes, and other things such as a farely interesting spelling of fairly. "have got commit privs" should probably be just "have commit privs", and "Others haven't got ...": "Others don't have", etc. I'm sure it's possible to find lots of those such things... :-) 1) Are we going to start using contractions again? In a similar vein, does "folks" translate well? It sounds fine to me, but it could be a bit dialect-specific, maybe? 2) It would probably be nicer if the section on submitting info to the doc. proj. were merged with the general section on submitting things, already in the handbook. 3) Obviously doc-set should say a couple things about the actual purpose of the Faq and Handbook beyond just "they are maintained". :) 4) So long as someone's willing to talk style, may I submit that series such as "apple, job, and day" use a comma before the "and". This is probably not what many of the outmoded old-timers were taught back in the day, but it's like totally way sexier. 5) You sound a little optimistic about finding people willing to mark-up submitted plain-text documents. Would you like me to point you to an aging PR submitting just such a plain-text document? [On that topic, what do people think of assigning doc-related PRs to the freebsd-doc list (similar to what's done for the freebsd-ports list)? It seems that this is perhaps part of the solution to our burgeoning PR list (eventually doing similar things for freebsd-fs, etc.).] -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 02:03:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12696 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:03:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12691 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:03:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03763; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:02:55 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA00467; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:02:51 GMT Message-ID: <19980326100250.00854@iii.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:02:50 +0000 To: ac199@hwcn.org Cc: Sean Kelly , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <35192AB1.43F399D@plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:55:58PM -0500 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:55:58PM -0500, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > The only nits I have to pick are comprised of punctuation errors and > > typos: On the `docproj' page, the second paragraph uses "it's" when it > > should be "its". (The paragraph after that one gets it right.) > > Yes, and other things such as a farely interesting spelling of > fairly. "have got commit privs" should probably be just "have > commit privs", and "Others haven't got ...": "Others don't > have", etc. I'm sure it's possible to find lots of those such > things... :-) Very probably. FWIW, those pages started out as a ~400 line e-mail to someone who wanted a few things about the Project explained. After I'd written it they suggested it should really be more widely available, so I just stuck from HTML formatting around them and put them up. This is why the style is less formal than normal. It's also my excuse for any optional spelling. I had my FxTV window up in one corner, and it was _Seinfeld_ followed by _The Larry Sanders Show_, so I may have been a bit distracted (doubling up with laughter does that sometimes :-) ) I've got no problems with changing it. Although I don't want to make it seem any less inviting. One of the things that's emerged from a couple of conversations that I've had is that apparently (and this was a surprise to me) the doc-proj is viewed in some quarters as some remote, forbidding club, for which you need the special handshake and funny walk to gain access. > 3) Obviously doc-set should say a couple things about the actual > purpose of the Faq and Handbook beyond just "they are > maintained". :) Yep. > 4) So long as someone's willing to talk style, may I submit that > series such as "apple, job, and day" use a comma before the > "and". This is probably not what many of the outmoded old-timers > were taught back in the day, but it's like totally way sexier. Ah, the serial comma. I normally do. Put it down the lateness of the hour and the lack of sleep. > 5) You sound a little optimistic about finding people willing to > mark-up submitted plain-text documents. Would you like me to > point you to an aging PR submitting just such a plain-text > document? Please. Preferably via the list, so someone else can grab it if they want to. > [On that topic, what do people think of assigning doc-related PRs > to the freebsd-doc list (similar to what's done for the > freebsd-ports list)? It seems that this is perhaps part of the > solution to our burgeoning PR list (eventually doing similar > things for freebsd-fs, etc.).] Good idea. Very good idea. I've bounced your comments to my home account, I'll try and get a new version of the pages up at some point tonight. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 04:54:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01355 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:54:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01315 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:53:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA15044; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:53:36 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980326235332.07015@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:53:32 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: ac199@hwcn.org Cc: Sean Kelly , nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <35192AB1.43F399D@plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:55:58PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:55:58PM -0500, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > Yes, and other things such as a farely interesting spelling of > fairly. "have got commit privs" should probably be just "have > commit privs", and "Others haven't got ...": "Others don't > have", etc. I'm sure it's possible to find lots of those such > things... :-) Painful as it is for an Aussie, I have to defend the Pommies English here :-) It sounds much less stilted with "have got", to my ears. > 1) Are we going to start using contractions again? In a similar > vein, does "folks" translate well? It sounds fine to me, but it > could be a bit dialect-specific, maybe? Sounds fine here. > 4) So long as someone's willing to talk style, may I submit that > series such as "apple, job, and day" use a comma before the > "and". This is probably not what many of the outmoded old-timers > were taught back in the day, but it's like totally way sexier. Call me an outmoded old-timer :-) Basically I don't think these things matter a great deal either way. National differences mean they'll sound better to some, worse to others, whether they are changed or not. Only internal consistency is important. As far as the content and structure, it looks great! -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 07:51:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00408 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00373 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:51:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from newshirt@best.com) Received: from newshirt.vip.best.com (newshirt.vip.best.com [206.86.1.143]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id HAA17322 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:51:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803261551.HAA17322@proxy3.ba.best.com> X-Sender: newshirt@shell7.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:51:19 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: tony cappellini Subject: bsd faq Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Is there a way I can print out the entire BSD faq, without having to look at each link and print it page by page ? thanks Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 13:37:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27581 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:37:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27574 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA16470; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:37:23 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980327083720.08730@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:37:20 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Studded Cc: Docs Team Subject: Re: Doc projects and status References: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net>; from Studded on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 02:18:02PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 02:18:02PM -0800, Studded wrote: > I started to send this just to John (at his request) but since the > release is cut and I have more time to wax eloquent I thought I'd just > send it to the list for general conversation. This is in no way intended > to be competition with Nik's more detailed page, this is just my take on > the priorities as I see them. > > 1. Initiate discussion about the format for the final form of the docs. > I'd like to see a unified document (FAQ + Handbook + Tutorials + new > material) with a consistent style and extensive cross-indexing. I'd also > like to see a front end for this that takes the form of a "How Do I?" > index. That's just my view, but I think there's general consensus on the > first bit anyway. Does anyone keep a list of which questions are currently most frequently asked on -questions? Sorry, I don't know what's been done in the past. With a whole bunch of people soon to start asking about installing 2.2.6, it could be a good time to gather a small number of common questions in one place that we can point to quickly, and later feed this into the FAQ proper. The workload could be shared (identifying questions, writing answers, updating the document). In one sense this is duplication of effort, but it could be a quick way to take some of the load off -questions while awaiting a more organised effort on the FAQ. Hmmm? -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 13:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28331 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA28325 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from (ragnet.demon.co.uk) [158.152.46.40] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIKQn-0000Hd-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:43:26 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yI7jp-0001P3-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:10:14 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:10:13 -0000 (GMT) From: Duncan Barclay To: Tim Vanderhoek Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@iii.co.uk, Sean Kelly Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Mar-98 Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Sean Kelly wrote: > >> These new pages feel professional yet inviting. I like them. > > Yes. [snip] > 5) You sound a little optimistic about finding people willing to > mark-up submitted plain-text documents. Would you like me to > point you to an aging PR submitting just such a plain-text > document? I'll put my hand up to doing some markup. I've quite enjoyed learning docbook and SGML over the past couple of weeks for my inn/suck primer re-write. > > [On that topic, what do people think of assigning doc-related PRs > to the freebsd-doc list (similar to what's done for the > freebsd-ports list)? It seems that this is perhaps part of the > solution to our burgeoning PR list (eventually doing similar > things for freebsd-fs, etc.).] Seems sensible; make them easily filterable though so they don't clutter up the list discussions. Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 14:35:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03622 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03590 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17325; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:12:44 GMT (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980326221244.51275@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:12:44 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Studded , Docs Team Subject: Re: Doc projects and status References: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net>; from Studded on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 02:18:02PM -0800 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do, Doug -- do you want to keep an archive of these messages. I'll commit my changes to the DocProj pages sometime on Monday. When some firm ideas come out of this discussion, you could write them up for inclusion on the page. . . On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 02:18:02PM -0800, Studded wrote: > 1. Initiate discussion about the format for the final form of the docs. > I'd like to see a unified document (FAQ + Handbook + Tutorials + new > material) with a consistent style and extensive cross-indexing. I'd also > like to see a front end for this that takes the form of a "How Do I?" > index. That's just my view, but I think there's general consensus on the > first bit anyway. Yep. > 2. Go through what we have with a fine-toothed comb prior to the docbook > conversion so that what's on the page now is as accurate and timely as > possible. This should be an ongoing "mid-term" goal that just about > anyone can participate in. This increases the value of the documentation > we have, and small progress towards the final goal can be made while > we're discussing the format of that final product. This can happen at the same time as the DocBook conversion. There's only one caveat -- changes made to the Handbook fall in to two categories. (1) changes to the actual content (the copy) and (2) changes to the markup of the documentation. Any single commit to the Handbook commits either copy changes or markup changes, but not both. This is very useful to the Japanese translators (and the new Spanish) translator, because it lets them see what's changed, without needing to check whether copy and markup changes have been combined. It's handy for me doing the DocBook conversion for the same reason. > 3. Nik's monumental docbook conversion project. He should be the one who > fills in the blanks on this. This is a more long-term goal although work > is progressing. It could be quite a short term goal, if someone with some TeX knowledge could come forward. Basically, we need to make ports out of the all the different TeX macro packages that are used by the JadeTeX macro set, and then we need to make a port of the JadeTeX macro set, and make that port dependent on all the others. I'm (very slowly) getting there, but I need to find out a lot more about TeX first. If no one steps forward to help out with this, what I'll probably do is 1. Tag the CVS tree around the middle of next week. 2. Start the conversion. 3. *commit* the JadeTeX stuff to the -doc distribution. This at least gives us enough to make the conversion process reasonably self hosting. Hopefully the sheer ugliness of this approach will encourage someone to then step forward and help out. > 4. Finalize the format of the end product and begin moving toward that > goal. Format? Output format or content? N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 15:16:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09391 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:16:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com (ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09385 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:16:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00315; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:13:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:13:45 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: nik@iii.co.uk cc: ac199@hwcn.org, Sean Kelly , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages In-Reply-To: <19980326100250.00854@iii.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > I've got no problems with changing it. Although I don't want to make it > seem any less inviting. One of the things that's emerged from a couple of > conversations that I've had is that apparently (and this was a surprise to > me) the doc-proj is viewed in some quarters as some remote, forbidding club, > for which you need the special handshake and funny walk to gain access. I think this is partly because too many messages have gone ignored on the -doc list and even more because the documentation explaining the doc-proj talked about what the doc-proj does, what the doc-proj is, etc., instead of saying this is what you can do, this is how you are needed, etc.. I haven't actually read most of the stuff explaining the doc-proj for a while, so I could be wrong... :-) I think the stuff you just wrote is much much better in this respect. It suggests a much more active and involved doc-proj, instead of a removed institution. > > 5) You sound a little optimistic about finding people willing to > > mark-up submitted plain-text documents. Would you like me to > > point you to an aging PR submitting just such a plain-text > > document? > > Please. Preferably via the list, so someone else can grab it if they > want to. Okay, just glancing over the pr list, these are ones related the docs system, in addition to just ones listing submitted plain-text. docs/2353 should be reviewed and possibly committed. docs/3590 FAQ gives strange reccomendation re: ttys & xdm docs/5070 plain-text FAQ submission docs/4698 Change to handbook re: making repair floppies. I'm not sure this is doc-proj stuff, but it's listed here. :) docs/5545 Problem with rendered html from handbook docs/6036 plain-text handbook submission docs/5487 `Will someone please write some more information for the handbook!' docs/1691 LinuxDoc PPP documentation. PS. Use ":r" not "!!cat ..." to read-in files when using vi. :) docs/5247 Add reference to relevant Linux docs from FAQ docs/5600 Some Nik Clayton joker thinks he has something to say :) > > [On that topic, what do people think of assigning doc-related PRs > > to the freebsd-doc list (similar to what's done for the > > freebsd-ports list)? It seems that this is perhaps part of the > > solution to our burgeoning PR list (eventually doing similar > > things for freebsd-fs, etc.).] > > Good idea. Very good idea. Okay, I'll rephrase this... Are there any valid objections to assigning general doc-related PRs to the freebsd-doc list? [If not, I'll talk to Steve or someone and see if this requires any special set-up in gnats] -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 15:36:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11915 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com (ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11899 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00332; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:34:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp6573.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:34:30 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Sue Blake cc: ac199@hwcn.org, Sean Kelly , nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages In-Reply-To: <19980326235332.07015@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > Yes, and other things such as a farely interesting spelling of > > fairly. "have got commit privs" should probably be just "have > > commit privs", and "Others haven't got ...": "Others don't > > have", etc. I'm sure it's possible to find lots of those such > > things... :-) > > Painful as it is for an Aussie, I have to defend the Pommies English here :-) > It sounds much less stilted with "have got", to my ears. It's not just that it sounds stilted to my ears, but that it suggests that those who have commit privilages are part of some elite group, particularly when read in context. I, we, really really really want to avoid that. [re: contractions] > Sounds fine here. We've avoided contractions in the current handbook/FAQ hoping that'll make it easier for non-native English readers. They're confusing because, unlike some languages, English doesn't formally define legal and illegal contractions (how often've you created a contraction of your own that you've doubted would've shown-up save in precious-few dictionaries?). -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 15:41:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12716 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12708 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14617; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:40:57 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA12305; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:40:51 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980327004050.52127@follo.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:40:50 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: ac199@hwcn.org, Sue Blake Cc: Sean Kelly , nik@iii.co.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <19980326235332.07015@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 06:34:30PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 06:34:30PM -0500, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > It's not just that it sounds stilted to my ears, but that it > suggests that those who have commit privilages are part of some > elite group, particularly when read in context. I, we, really > really really want to avoid that. 'Have commit access', perhaps? I think there is less emotional weight and associations connected with 'access' than 'privileges'. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 16:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22901 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22894 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14843; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <351AF511.6A0191ED@dal.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:41 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ac199@hwcn.org CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > We've avoided contractions in the current handbook/FAQ hoping > that'll make it easier for non-native English readers. They're > confusing because, unlike some languages, English doesn't > formally define legal and illegal contractions (how often've you > created a contraction of your own that you've doubted would've > shown-up save in precious-few dictionaries?). Contractions should be avoided in all formal and technical writing as a matter of style. The fact that it makes translation more difficult is another good reason to avoid them. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 18:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12044 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rigel.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (root@rigel.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.185.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12038 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:57:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (ppp385.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.85]) by rigel.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (8.8.8/3.6W/rigel-0.3) with ESMTP id LAA23974; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:56:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (earth [192.168.1.2]) by moon.opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl4/moon-0.9) with ESMTP id LAA23342; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:51:54 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <351B1421.725B0B89@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:51:13 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Docs Team CC: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Doc projects and status References: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net> <19980326221244.51275@nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > 3. *commit* the JadeTeX stuff to the -doc distribution. This at least > gives us enough to make the conversion process reasonably self > hosting. Hmm.. Does this mean committing JadeTeX under /home/ncvs/doc/ directory? -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 19:59:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19104 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA19098 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:59:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jktheowl@bga.com) Received: (qmail 15260 invoked from network); 27 Mar 1998 03:59:25 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 1998 03:59:25 -0000 Received: from barnowl (apm7-216.realtime.net [204.96.0.216]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA16925; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:59:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:04:37 -0600 (CST) From: John Kenagy X-Sender: jktheowl@barnowl To: Studded cc: Docs Team Subject: Re: Doc projects and status In-Reply-To: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, hope I'm not being redundant with discussions already had, but being less than technically expert, I need all the help I can get. Let me spill a little of my own learning experience with FreeBSD. On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > 1. Initiate discussion about the format for the final form of the docs. > I'd like to see a unified document (FAQ + Handbook + Tutorials + new > material) with a consistent style and extensive cross-indexing. I'd also > like to see a front end for this that takes the form of a "How Do I?" > index. That's just my view, but I think there's general consensus on the > first bit anyway. A unified format can be vital. What I have done here is to place all documentation (as far as practical) into a directory tree and in HTML format. I run apache and then run htDig on it all. I also have run htDig on www.freebsd.org. (It should be more restricted than that - it ran for hours.;-)) Then provided a page that points to the documents' tables of contents, to the "search" engine, or out to the internet. It is crude but it has the advantage of providing a single entry from all systems on the LAN. The documentation covers not only my system, but the current information at freebsd.org and the two are distinct. I do not have to peck through a lot of stuff to get to what I want. It has been _very_ helpful. > 2. Go through what we have with a fine-toothed comb prior to the docbook > conversion so that what's on the page now is as accurate and timely as > possible. This should be an ongoing "mid-term" goal that just about It is never ending as is the evolution of the OS itself. This will end up being a process rather than a product. Just thought I'd toss in my two cents about what I found useful. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 20:02:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19452 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:02:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19446 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from am69@mindspring.com) Received: from rickproc (user-38lcarc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.43.108]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00918 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:02:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01bd5935$20888ac0$6c2b56d1@rickproc> From: "Rick Proctor" To: Subject: System Takeover Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:02:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey I Was Just Wondering If Free BSD Would Take Over The Entire System Like Other OS's Or Could It Be Stored Away In A Seperate Little Space And Run On The Same Machine As Windows 95 Or Any Other OS For That Matter ============================= Rick Proctor am69@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~am69/ ============================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 26 20:38:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23530 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:38:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA23513 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jktheowl@bga.com) Received: (qmail 17384 invoked from network); 27 Mar 1998 04:38:03 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 1998 04:38:03 -0000 Received: from barnowl (apm5-167.realtime.net [205.238.146.167]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24107; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:38:00 -0600 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:43:15 -0600 (CST) From: John Kenagy X-Sender: jktheowl@barnowl To: Rick Proctor cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: System Takeover In-Reply-To: <000d01bd5935$20888ac0$6c2b56d1@rickproc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, its not into system overthrow.;-) During install you can set up a boot manager to give you the choice of which OS to start. You do have to partition the drive to allow FreeBSD to live in its own space, though. Read *all* of the documentation available at freebsd.org. And, ask questions too. If you are like me, you will eventually purge all of your disk of Mr. Bill stuff. (I admit to having one of my machines with "a separate little space" for NT so I can run Turbo Tax - 'till April 15 - and some cooking CDROMs. Its a very small space, very small...) Good Luck! John On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Rick Proctor wrote: > Hey I Was Just Wondering If Free BSD Would Take Over The Entire System Like > Other OS's Or Could It Be Stored Away In A Seperate Little Space And Run On > The Same Machine As Windows 95 Or Any Other OS For That Matter > > ============================= > Rick Proctor > am69@mindspring.com > http://www.mindspring.com/~am69/ > ============================= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 27 01:53:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27928 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:53:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27901 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:53:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00767 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:53:11 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA02691; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:53:05 GMT Message-ID: <19980327095304.59888@iii.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:53:04 +0000 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980325110053.21549@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 11:00:53AM +0000 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just updated the copy at I think I've removed all the contractions and the, er, optional spelling :-) and I've copied over the description of the FAQ and Handbook from the original page to .../doc-set.html. I'm away over the weekend, so won't be able to act on any comments until Monday morning. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 27 01:55:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28169 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:55:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28164 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00826; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:55:25 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA02702; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:55:19 GMT Message-ID: <19980327095519.65448@iii.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:55:19 +0000 To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: Docs Team , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Doc projects and status References: <3519829A.E3A44CC6@dal.net> <19980326221244.51275@nothing-going-on.org> <351B1421.725B0B89@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <351B1421.725B0B89@opt.phys.waseda.ac.jp>; from Jun Kuriyama on Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 11:51:13AM +0900 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 11:51:13AM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > 3. *commit* the JadeTeX stuff to the -doc distribution. This at least > > gives us enough to make the conversion process reasonably self > > hosting. > > Hmm.. Does this mean committing JadeTeX under /home/ncvs/doc/ > directory? Possibly. JadeTeX doesn't consist of any executable files, it's just a collection of TeX macros. If there's a long standing rule that says "Documentation and nothing else" in the doc repository then I'll drop the idea immediately. I am trying to get this to the point where other people can look at the migrated Handbook and lend a hand. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 27 02:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29102 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk ([195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29090 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 02:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01079; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:07:40 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA02741; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:07:34 GMT Message-ID: <19980327100734.00435@iii.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:07:34 +0000 To: ac199@hwcn.org Cc: Sean Kelly , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Changes to the DocProj web pages References: <19980326100250.00854@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 06:13:45PM -0500 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 06:13:45PM -0500, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > > 5) You sound a little optimistic about finding people willing to > > > mark-up submitted plain-text documents. Would you like me to > > > point you to an aging PR submitting just such a plain-text > > > document? > > > > Please. Preferably via the list, so someone else can grab it if they > > want to. > > Okay, just glancing over the pr list, these are ones related the > docs system, in addition to just ones listing submitted > plain-text. > > docs/2353 should be reviewed and possibly committed. > docs/3590 FAQ gives strange reccomendation re: ttys & xdm > docs/5070 plain-text FAQ submission > docs/4698 Change to handbook re: making repair floppies. I'm not > sure this is doc-proj stuff, but it's listed here. :) > docs/5545 Problem with rendered html from handbook > docs/6036 plain-text handbook submission > docs/5487 `Will someone please write some more information for > the handbook!' > docs/1691 LinuxDoc PPP documentation. PS. Use ":r" not > "!!cat ..." to read-in files when using vi. :) > docs/5247 Add reference to relevant Linux docs from FAQ > docs/5600 Some Nik Clayton joker thinks he has something to say :) I'll try and get to some of those early next week. I'll have to punt on some of them, since I can't test what they suggest. If anyone else wants to look at them, the simplest way is to go to http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=nnnn and replace the 'nnnn' with the *number* in the PR above. Oh yeah, I've closed docs/5600 :-) N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 27 15:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16808 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw (bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.18.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA16660 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:46:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw) From: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw Received: (qmail 27104 invoked by uid 9999); 27 Mar 1998 23:46:00 -0000 Date: 27 Mar 1998 23:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980327234600.27103.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Reply-To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd faq X-Disclaimer: 臺大電機 Maxwell 站對本信內容恕不負責。 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : Is there a way I can print out the entire BSD faq, without having to look : at each link and print it page by page ? http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ.ps It can be printed neatly using "ghostscript", which is available for many OS, including mswin. For win32: ftp://freebsd.ee.ntu.edu.tw/upload/mswin/gsview.rar (& unrar.exe) unrar.exe -x gsview.rar ... (setup.exe) ... Also, http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.ps is worth printing out. I've been enjoying FAQ.ps and handbook.ps a great deal :-) woju To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 27 19:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23003 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:47:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22995 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:47:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@aeiusrF-31.aei.ca [206.186.205.31]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08349 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:47:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <351C71D9.52629A74@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:43:21 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 4 Newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am under FreeBSD what we can call a newbie. I have not finded so much information on how to start. What should I do the first time I see Login: or # I was obliged to ask to a friends. But its not all people who have friends hehehe And FreeBSD dont take in charge newbies... Its hard I think. Maybie you think I'm lazy hehehe But I think I have readed a lot for non critical information. I have finded than the Handbook where there is a part for newbie his not really made for newbie. When you do a doc for newbie, do it in a newbie stile... like http://www.ca.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html -->August 15, 1997 So I have started an interactive project where anyone can easily add parts to the page, so its easy to correct bugs and errata and to put more information. I have used html
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