From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 14:37:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88C116A424 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:37:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D58943D72 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:37:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l8so145224nzf for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:37:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Bx9l4V1znTn89HcQ7z7yOROlaqm3H+b0HNLgjzhshkr5SgElY62Cru7jCUQRdns7JoNxhgdFY97Oc7XwYItapIZwfYqYZ88HYyJASNBXoHk/+M15E4TLNv/pl8zfAPA1GOriM9gz1s6b9izh/ASpA+v2ZzSMVtMcDt6sPEyRVbU= Received: by 10.37.12.23 with SMTP id p23mr1153403nzi; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.5 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:37:31 +0200 From: usleepless@gmail.com To: "Bill Moran" In-Reply-To: <20060406103421.09aff4e0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c65907$42db76c0$6401a8c0@thomas> <20060406094921.478b5cc3.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> <20060406140436.GA10773@gothmog.pc> <4435211B.3060407@redry.net> <20060406103421.09aff4e0.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Cc: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, tzons@comcast.net, freebsd@redry.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:37:44 -0000 i guess you are right. i just wanted to bring it up, it should be mentioned in my opinion. maybe it saves a soul. regards, usleep On 4/6/06, Bill Moran wrote: > usleepless@gmail.com wrote: > > > how about one of the LiveCDs? or don't they work like knoppix/ubuntu > > auto configuring the most important hardware ( inputdevices, audio, > > video ) ? > > This sidesteps the point. If he doesn't have time to deal with hardware > issues, does he have time to deal with software issues and a learnig curv= e? > > I'm not disagreeing with you. Live CDs are a great way to get ones feet > wet with a new OS, and I highly recommend FreeSBIE as a way to introduce > yourself to FreeBSD without making any commitment. You still need time > to experiment, however. > > > On 4/6/06, eoghan wrote: > > > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > > On 2006-04-06 09:49, Bill Moran > wrote: > > > >> "Tom" wrote: > > > >>> I am just looking at Free BSD as a Windows alternative. I > > > >>> have a home workgroup that I am out growing and wanting to do > > > >>> more with, but don't want to give MS any more Hundreds of hard > > > >>> earned dollars. > > > >>> > > > >>> My first question is where can I find a site that will list > > > >>> all approved or thoroughly checked out hardware to build a > > > >>> "box" (motherboards, and the like). I don't have the time, or > > > >>> patience to get into major software conflicts or bugs. I want > > > >>> to follow a A to B to C box build and software setup. Is there > > > >>> someone (or more) to guide me through the process? Is there a > > > >>> website with complete and accurate information on it? Is there > > > >>> a "BSD for idiots" instruction book that's current? Is there a > > > >>> BSD project team working with manufactures and touting their > > > >>> successes? Help! > > > >> Don't use FreeBSD. I know this will be an unpopular post on > > > >> this list, but you've said a number of things that tell me that > > > >> you will be unsuccessful with FreeBSD: > > > >> 1) You don't seem to have any Unix experience > > > >> 2) You're coming from a Windows world > > > >> 3) You don't have time or patience > > > >> > > > >> #3 is particularly important, given #1 and #2. FreeBSD _will_ > > > >> take you some time to understand. It _will_ take some time and > > > >> effort to get it working the way you want. Since you are > > > >> totally new to it, it _will_ require patience. > > > >> > > > >> If you don't have time or patience to learn right now, you're > > > >> setting yourself up for failure. When you do have some time > > > >> and patience, we'll be happy to help you through your learning > > > >> curve. If you're looking for a fast, easy fix, you're not > > > >> going to find it by switching operating systems to something > > > >> you know nothing about. > > > >> > > > >> I've seen a number of people bash Linux and the BSDs because > > > >> they wanted a simple, cheap solution to Windows and did not > > > >> have the time or patience to work through the learning curve. > > > >> Unless I've misinterpreted your email and you do have some Unix > > > >> experience, this is not a good time to make the switch. > > > > > > > > No, this post shouldn't be unpopular on this list. > > > > > > > > * It was written in a clear, non-confrontational, civilized tone. > > > > * It explains why making the switch to FreeBSD may turn out badly= . > > > > * It also makes it very clear that time and effort _is_ required. > > > > > > > > Tom, please read carefully what Bill Moran has written. Even if > > > > I tried, I would probably fail to put it all in better words. > > > > > > > > Then, if you decide that you _have_ the patience and time to > > > > switch, feel free to ask any question about FreeBSD here :) > > > > > > > > - Giorgos > > > > > > Yes, I agree. Although I had the luxury of having two machines, the > > > other being a mac, so I could play with unix on that. I also dumped > > > windows on my pc and decided on freeBSD. At first, I had trouble > > > installing and configuring it. But with some time and this list I am = up > > > and running and get more and more comfortable with it each day. > > > So if you have a spare pc lying around, try it out on this first till > > > you get comfortable, and then go for it. > > > Eoghan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > - > > This message scanned by the Collaborative Fusion, Inc. PineApp. > > > > > -- > Bill Moran > Potential Technologies > http://www.potentialtech.com >