From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:39:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2471065670 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEBD8FC19 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (195.54.127.133) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C0007548C2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:39:39 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkpMADrs6kpV44MCPGdsb2JhbACBUJl8AQEBATfEd4Q9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,655,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="59294973" Received: from c-0283e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO lazlar.kicks-ass.net) ([85.227.131.2]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 30 Oct 2009 21:39:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4AEB4F0A.9030703@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:39:38 +0100 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091028) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301314y769469c3ycfb096c7b68704e@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301318o65a7af3eq905441037d5ef940@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910301318o65a7af3eq905441037d5ef940@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Freminlins , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:40 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Freminlins wrote: > >> 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More >> >> >>> Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats? >>> >> I am not going to reply to you after this because you are blinkered. I'm >> not going to waste my time with you. I've given you more than enough to feed >> on, but you just can't smell the coffee. >> >> >> >>> Adam Vande More >>> >> >> MF. >> > > > Okay go play with your ISA bus, while the rest of us enjoy PCI. > > Seems this is more about control than actual quality of software. One wants to keep control, one wants to release control completely to the software. Personally I prefer to keep control, therefore I have disabled HAL. Does that mean my system is bad? I can't see that it does. Does it mean I say HAL is crap? It could, but I haven't tried enough to make such an accusation. I'd like to draw a parallel (this will be pretty basic, but a more involved discussion will be far too much OT). I'm type 1 diabetic, and I use an insulin pump. The basic purpose of having a pump instead of several injections a day, is replacing the long-acting insulin with a constant feed of rapid-acting insulin, thus mimicking a functioning pancreas. And for the longest time, that was all they did. And the user had to tell the pump how much insulin he/she needed, both the constant feed and with meals. Nowdays, the pumps have evolved, and with most of them, one can simply tell it what a meal contains, and it calculates the proper amount of insulin. And the next generation will constantly measure the blood sugar and decide the amount of insulin automagically. Just like those evolved pumps will be great for people who don't want to bother, HAL may be an excellent idea for people who don't want to congfigure everything themselves. And just like I prefer to decide how much insulin I want rather than having a machine decide for me, I prefer to configure my computer and all installed software rather than have software configure itself... Does that mean I am an idiot? If so, then I'm proud to be an idiot.