From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 16:43:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236DB16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA50843D2D for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cpressey@catseye.mine.nu) Received: from catseye.biscuit.boo ([154.5.85.228]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.netSMTP <20040324004328.FKHF8101.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@catseye.biscuit.boo>; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:43:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:49:09 -0800 From: Chris Pressey To: Nathan Kinkade Message-Id: <20040323164909.74ef6a4b.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20040323164411.GE12464@nkinkade.bmp.ub> References: <405FCE37.5060104@users.sourceforge.net> <038c01c4109d$858a4dc0$1a01a8c0@blackstar.net> <20040323164411.GE12464@nkinkade.bmp.ub> Organization: Cat's Eye Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: stevei@black-star.net Subject: Re: disconnecting keyboard: big trouble !?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:43:30 -0000 On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:44:11 -0600 Nathan Kinkade wrote: > Can anyone on the list point me to a manufacturers site or > documentation that unequivocally states in clear terms the real > dangers of hotplugging a PS/2 device? How about http://www.heurtley.com/richard/maintenance.html ? It's basic electronics - plugging or unplugging anything from a powered device has a greater-than-zero chance of frying it. The difference between "hot-pluggable" USB and "risky" PS/2 can be summed up like so: re USB: "A USB transceiver is required to withstand a continuous short circuit of D+ and/or D- to VBUS, GND, other data line, or the cable shield at the connector, for a minimum of 24 hours without degradation. It is recommended that transceivers be designed so as to withstand such short circuits indefinitely. The device must not be damaged under this short circuit condition when transmitting 50% of the time and receiving 50% of the time (in all supported speeds)." -- http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20.zip (a standards document - note "required" and "must not be damaged") re PS/2: "Vcc/Ground provide power to the keyboard/mouse. The keyboard or mouse should not draw more than 100 mA from the host and care must be taken to avoid transient surges. Such surges can be caused by "hot-plugging" a keyboard/mouse (ie, connect/disconnect the device while the computer's power is on.) Older motherboards had a surface-mounted fuse protecting the keyboard and mouse ports. When this fuse blew, the motherboard was useless to the consumer, and non-fixable to the average technician. Most newer motherboards use auto-reset "Poly" fuses that go a long way to remedy this problem. However, this is not a standard and there's still plenty of older motherboards in use. Therefore, I recommend against hot-plugging a PS/2 mouse or keyboard." -- http://panda.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~achapwes/PICmicro/PS2/ps2.htm (note "not a standard") -Chris