From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 13:06:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C364A16A41F; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:06:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9864543D9F; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:06:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050526130612.BUDG6121.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:06:12 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:01:19 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <000301c56160$308340b0$144da8c0@rtxnetworks.local> <200505251346.56294.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200505251346.56294.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505260601.20231.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: fbsd_user@a1poweruser.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dev@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [dev] Re: XML/EDI questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:06:22 -0000 On Wednesday 25 May 2005 13:46, the author Vizion contributed to the dialogue on Re: [dev] Re: XML/EDI questions: > > !I wonder if contributors to this thread would please NOT top post - it gets > very confusing -- I have shifted the last contribution to the bottom so > everyone can follow the thread:! > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 12:30, the author fbsd_user contributed to the > dialogue on RE: [dev] Re: XML/EDI questions: > > > > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 09:11, the author Ian G contributed to the > > dialogue > > on Re: [dev] Re: XML/EDI questions: > > > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 17:00, Vizion wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh there are now over 300 schemas for EDI's used extensively by > > large > > > > corporations for interchange. For example a major disk drive > > manufacturer > > > > used it for exchange between both supopliers and distributoes. > > It used by > > > > governement and hundreds if not thousands of large corporations. > > The > > > > oproblem is you have to pay thousands of dollars to get the > > information > > > > and/or off shelve software to benefit from this technology. > > > > > > Ah! That explains why I've never come across it. I > > > stand corrected! Thanks :) > > > > > Yep and the thing that really ****** me off is that there is a > > standard for > > these things and the only way you can get a copy is by paying $ > > (namny) for > > it. My idea is there should be an open standard for these things > > which could > > be accessible by anyone and be used as a basis for exchange between > > individuals and small businesses. Perhaps OpenSchemas.org!! > > > > david > > > > EDI stands for electric data interchange. It been in use by > > mainframe systems for over 30 years now. Basically its an > > international standard record format for exchanging purchase orders > > and shipping information and the like between the suppliers and > > manufactures in house proprietary applications. Wallmart/Sams stores > > runs their complete business using it. Other big users is the rubber > > tire industry and the automobile manufactures Ford, GM, for > > just-in-time delivery of raw material, as well as the after market > > auto suppliers. The EDI records format is available to any one who > > wants to purchase the book from the non-profit organization who > > maintains the standard. Like $35.00. There are EDI software > > providers like GE and Gentran who market mainframe applications that > > convert the user's proprietary in-house record format to EDI format. > > In the last 10 years these vendors have rewritten their mainframe > > EDI application to run on ms/windows PCs. But you are correct in > > that as far as I know there is no Unix flavored EDI applications out > > there. EDI is not an server based type of application or for that > > matter an internet transport user either. EDI utilizes dedicated > > leased lines for maximum security. Cloning the functionality of one > > of the ms/windows EDI desktop variety for an FreeBSD desktop version > > should not be an big task. EDI is a specialized nitch market that > > demands 24/7 technical support from the vendor as EDI in most cases > > is mission critical to the company using it. This in its self makes > > the case for an open source Unix flavored verson a hard sell to the > > community who may want to use it. > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > > > You are right to mention the history of EDI. However this acronym has now > taken a more generic meaning and includes , for example, UBL which has open > source java tools and, I have now found out, open source schemas (over 90of > them) available. The other thing is that it is no more mission critical > in the current environment than a web server and indeed is now built into web > server technology and uses (amongst other things Tomcat, jelly , ocbra and > other open source products. What is extremely interesting is it appears that > the largest take up of this technology appears to be in Hong Kong and china > and is focused on using open source server systems. > > David > > > -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner > Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing May bound for Europe via Panama Canal.