From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 20 8:34:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900F21531A for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25891; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720092854.00a91100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:32:54 -0600 To: Phil Regnauld , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Oh my, penguins are a'comin': DebianBSD In-Reply-To: <19990720171033.10907@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This has been talked about many times before, and -- yes -- it is a real danger. The best way to nip such things in the bud is to make FreeBSD development more open (the circle of developers currently works and acts too much like a secret cabal), become more evangelical and inclusive, and get more third-party software support. Then, FreeBSD as an effort would *recruit* the people who are interested in it rather than merely arousing their interest but leaving them in the Linux camp. --Brett Glass At 05:10 PM 7/20/99 +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Someone wake me up from this nightmare. > >------- Forwarded Message > >From: Gary Kline >Subject: Re: The project >To: hamish@debian.org (Hamish Moffatt) >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) >Cc: debian-bsd@lists.debian.org > > > That's a fine idea, but my response is always: to whom would this be valuable? > > What is the target audience of the "Debian GNU/FreeBSD" system? Are you hoping > > to convert Debian GNU/Linux users, or FreeBSD users? > > > > > I started with a freshly installed FreeBSD 3.2 system. The standard > > > distribution of FreeBSD sucks (IMO of course, but since this is a Debian > > > > Well, I'd be interested to know what you think sucks so that we can justify > > our efforts in the future. I think there are some good things and some > > bad things. I don't like the way that FreeBSD packages don't make an effort > > to configure themselves for your system, for one thing. > > > > > > Lest we (this list) get carried away in self-flagellation or > in circular debates over the GPL/BSD licenses, let's agree on > the many strengths of each ``side.'' --And I do not see BSD > and Linux as *sides*, but participants in the larger open-source > tide, BTW. > > Both Debian and BSD share more good points than have opposing, > I think. If the aim of a DebianBSD is to create an open-source > system with a superior kernel, then the present FreeBSD effort > has that. It stands up to massive loads ... And if an aim > is to integrate the unqualified Best software (free or commercial), > anything GNU is strictly first-rate. > > I think that over time (months to a few years) a DebianBSD > distribution would attract newer and seasoned users from every > corner. Nobody who is hardcore BSD or hardcore Debian is going > to be `converted' ... and that's fine. > > A DBSD would shrinkwrap the best of both. > > > gary > > > > > > > >- -- > Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix > > >- -- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bsd-request@lists.debian.org >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org > > >-----End of forwarded message----- > >-- > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message