Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@picnic.mat.net> To: Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net> Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrating QMAIL in the world Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0004122140160.59241-100000@picnic.mat.net> In-Reply-To: <200004152205.RAA24385@aurora.sol.net>
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Joe Greco wrote: > Chuck, > > Please go back and read what I _wrote_. Your response assumes I made I've got your message, I quoted it fully in my first response. You asked to "Remove Sendmail from the base system", and that's a direct quote, Joe. > statements that I certainly did not, and suggests to me that you missed > every third word in my previous messages. :-( In particular, I advocated > including Sendmail in the base system in a manner that would allow it to > be trivially removed (or, alternatively, not including it but making it > a selectable package, like X11). No, you said remove it, or at least make it removeable. I responded that you can't just remove it. Go to your sent mail message folder, I'm not making this up. I said don't remove it (not "don't make it removeable"). You're the one who's sticking new words in. > This could, for example, be done in the very same way that we currently > do loads of other crap, like /usr/games, proflibs, etc. More ideally, it > would be done in a format compatible with the package management system, > so that one could simply "pkg_delete" Sendmail and install a new one. > > Am I getting through now? :-) You asked in your mail to remove it, I said you can't leave ordinary users without a good default. Your context in what you said was that it was a minor pain to have to remove the default mailer. I stand by what I said. You changed your message, and if you want, I can send your message back to you. If you argue *only* that some easier method be arranged so that mailers can be swapped out, that I fully approve of. I never said otherwise, and I don't like much the way you changed things. In fact, what the heck, here's your original message, cut out of my reply (where I quoted all of your part of the exchange): > Perhaps it's time to revisit something I proposed several years ago. > > Remove Sendmail from the base system - or, at least, make it a "package" > that is removable with the package management tool. Then be able to add > another mailer (or an updated Sendmail) in its place. Ideally, Sendmail > would be available as a package for installation as part of the base > system, just like games or info or proflibs. > > I would love to see this happen with other components of the system as > well, such as BIND. > > While it is fantastic that FreeBSD comes out of the box so fully > functional, it does make it a bit of a pain for those of us who intend > to build servers - we have to disable the original before installing a > new package. :-/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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