From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 06:52:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2FE2A9D35 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Bq2l6qPQz3LLT for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Pxo_SM4VM1kkw64MJQWfQxLPxncrBhrfg7PEOB0CkmhdX_wsPICi2JYKzrniqLN vW4w_hXxqv8nDwtj9pQvf79pOBD1e3nZimpW_Hwce6mRS1kCGCDmBv_ZxYften.kh8UQ8DrcGsX1 0irsvnqfDiRNRCF01sY1q.8XXVAzfKyKSKox_DgrJyo1uKHaSNOFIU6QsVLId1N8ayPA2r1ERIzm 2ZSn44TRzqFYGQM4DVmZD8Gf6wvXWyHECsZbysCS.reTesBPFTBaKMHCH.rGb3v5EOq4djlFowIK Mr8SIVRw3gEX0RhmzKyadc0Y.PAn9PxEk3ynPX_EIRAgHNFV3avRRxaYdX2LlZkVY_OlibtS4LiQ xhRF17oEZFXc5fC8BdS2pGcXRevgoqGaKjbUxN6JUMLM8MoABBk9V5XGEm6oOtPA4h24XSY2ctuL _lx4FUSsBVkNjUIn6wSb104TeE81KzyGCl7m0grM4oA5yGToNFg_F6BI.j7K9mIkTw6c9CbEjO7t cNnuBBG0Ixwj0GIdaiuIDbwVUpoc_lKGdH1JelDxxudP2xSWe_b6ljmA_CHMFvl5c_jcddFa5sjQ GO79bVf2DQuZw4bVmfijVV3kquwAvZvf1.8X1TBwa0pR8mBpKvc5PrWx3DiZyG90NCC2wsfBtGZI jsbtb0Gd1i0wfClCfnKTX1VvKHJlEOCcnUbvxIueW_is1JN6hXQLrDd1BJly.0RhwyH6tpH814.r hLQjct18dLHqcaHx2nPwCB9s1S0TRMzpS6Rwku8gEOfq4x6aLPBB2oJRep0kqZzUyNieHySZpE3o srR8Oyu4aspyyRrfasmTLIWfELBZb5HLsUVrTjSPcdwr19KaWSXCzDaYGWRn7uyvHC534t08FZDI RtwLD1ZdVvBJD_ECQVaD9gO2jaERXC8HXZGiMgUZvDKVSfehmmWnDj80aHIKVZQprhZ5A0jxcCgv d9PbB0.qDMxlpNqpUWbpiamKDVc5W0__GKZUipD4aDLDZVUmV1kEysMdDjXvhE9ukR7DjC5My14_ Q4EifyBGpe1YSBy863gWgLLmFP_yg2Aj.4949sCPONh4aE.IPMYE33e_e1AyvpE7mJh3TwB4lwak fGpBKdsX6pL9SwlZupbWCWWzvYnkhbClPH.YCveEmjRL8ILRDSInNyS6Sm0_vjd56T7lAcvRTcQ_ 7kvk_LqNpyud8wG4M4FHqnWg7XT_qBmm2B2e38esoX51vyvFvHwBglygRO4Z2lsbgv7IuV8hP.aj cHiMFzG.XGNgMgIvmSvawLEeYSDW5F7KV37Y2GjGp7fZZ7yIWM6v_jlQZdwLxo0AViZRST..qTVB 5xqPZ_tYSXOBhEG_BJncQxNdjq4VnYdlQw1XeIX7Tklnj5Tee3iYy_LMQWRxDlrAHOSi6ois1d3T sHVFUk.mfHeV0GBLn2kA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:45 +0000 Received: by smtp412.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e1079cc85d01c18aa71b78254d6dec17; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:52:47 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) Message-ID: <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Bq2l6qPQz3LLT X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.61 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (6.20), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.11), asn: 34010(1.67), country: GB(-0.07)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.32)[-0.316,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.20)[0.201,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.179.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[146.179.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:52:50 -0000 Hi, I'm joining this list since 2012 and don't remember anybody who ever was nearly as rude, let alone ruder than Aryeh Friedman. This person should consider to reread his own posts to the list, perhaps starting with his subject of this thread. "Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait)" Insulting "many" subscribers of this mailing list as "haters" is rude. His mails are full of similar insults about "evil" people and things, apart from this he insists to continue spreading FUD. Every now and then off-topic threads are nice to read, as long as they aren't the reason for dispeace. The moderation bit could be used to sort out emails with continued threads, that do not belong to this list and that in addition do cause dispeace. It doesn't require to ban a subscriber or subscribers from the list. A long discussion regarding legal questions, done by laymen, might belong to https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat . OTOH tinfoil hat theories including insults about bad intentions behind FLOSS licenses, are probably unwelcome on any FLOSS related mailing list. The OP of the threads in question does add insults and preposterous allegation to his opinions. At the moment nobody seems to be upset about other opinions, it's just that the tone of voice let those opinions become unreasonable. I can't speak for other, but I like one or the other license better than the GPL. What I dispute are the conclusions based upon infamous misrepresentations. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-April/author.html#start Regards, Ralf