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what does this "your net" mean?

i know i must be missing an edit on a file somewhere.

network:
Name  Mtu   Network       Address            Ipkts Ierrs    Opkts Oerrs  Coll
fxp0  1500  <Link>      00.a0.c9.21.13.44   119770     0   114427     0  7477
fxp0  1500  your-net      mutsgo            119770     0   114427     0  7477
lp0*  1500  <Link>                               0     0        0     0     0
tun0* 1500  <Link>                               0     0        0     0     0
sl0*  552   <Link>                               0     0        0     0     0
ppp0* 1500  <Link>                               0     0        0     0     0
lo0   16384 <Link>                              57     0       57     0     0
lo0   16384 127           localhost             57     0       57     0     0


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I have just turned away from Windows 3.1 to FreeBSD, but I find I cannot
use my preferred wordprocessing software, XyWin 4.01.  I am told there
is a way to do so, but so far, after a month of using FreeBSD, I have
not been able to.  I wonder if you could help.

I have downloaded StarWriter3.1 and LyX, but I do not want to switch to
another wordprocessor if I can stick to XyWrite, which I have used for
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Could you help?

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From: "Satwant" <wizkid11@xnet.com>
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Subject: Fw: serial patch problemRe: Cant configure serial port.
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Greg,
 
 What is RTFM ?
 I use 2.2.6, and I used serial patch for 2.2.6.
 
 Also, I found out something else.
 sio0 ans sio2 were not responding.. so I went to toshiba site, looked up
 specs for TECRA CDT 550. It said modem is on pci bus.
 
 So I changed the kernel entry to look for serial ports on pci bus as
 follows:
 
 	sio0 at pci? port x03f8 irq 4
 	sio1 at pci? port x02f8 irq 3
 
 and in dmesg, I no longer get "sio0 not found", and "sio1 not found"
so I thought now the serail port (COM0) and modem (COM1) should be fine,
 but that is not the case.
 
 I go in ppp, and it still says /dev/cuaa1 not configured.
 
 What should I do, I am doing my PhD project on freebsd, and I cant get it
 running so far ( as far as networking is concerned). Was my trust in
 freebsd misplaced ? Did I make a mistake in thinking your book, the CDs
and
 the freebsd groups would be enough of a support ?
 Satwant.
 
> ----------
> > From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
> > To: Satwant <wizkid11@xnet.com>
> > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: serial patch problemRe: Cant configure serial port.
> > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:26 PM
> > 
> > On Saturday, 18 July 1998 at 20:56:17 -0500, Satwant wrote:
> > > ----------
> > >> From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
> > >> To: Satwant <wizkid11@xnet.com>; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > >> Subject: Re: Cant configure serial port.
> > >> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:52 PM
> > >>
> > >> On Wednesday, 15 July 1998 at 20:11:27 -0400, Satwant wrote:
> > >>> On TECRA 550CDT (Toshiba laptop) I get "unable to configure sio1"
at
> > >>> reboot. The internal modem is connected to irq 3 & 9.
> > >>
> > >> That can't be.  sio ports only connect to one IRQ.
> > >>
> > >>> The section 5.3.7 on Handbook says..
> > 
> > (Mailer breakage in the following quotes repaired)
> > 
> > >>> "if you have internal modem on COM4 and a serial port at COM2 you
> > >>> will have to change the IRQ of the modem to 2 (for obscure resaons
> > >>> IRQ 2 = IRQ 9 in order to access it from FreeBSD)."
> > >>>
> > >>> How do you change the IRQ of the internal modem on a laptop.
> > >>
> > >> That depends on the laptop.  First you need to establish what you
> > >> really have.  How many serial ports (including the modem) does it
> > >> have?  How are they configured?  What does dmesg say on boot?
> > >
> > > I downloaded the serial patch from Lehey's home page, an dtried :
> > >
> > > patch -p0 serial...
> > >
> > > It gives following error messages:
> > >
> > > Patching file /sys/i386/isa/sio.c using plan A
> > >
> > > hunk # 1 failed at 489
> > > hunk # 2 failed at 653
> > >
> > > ..
> > > Hmm. ignoring trailing garbage.
> > >
> > > What should I do to fix it ?
> > 
> > RTFM.  Which version of FreeBSD are you running?  Which version did
> > you download?
> > 
> > Greg
> > --
> > See complete headers for address and phone numbers
> > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key

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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Max Anderson wrote:

> how do you mount a music CD??

You do not mount a audio cd the way you mount a iso 9660 cd. You have to
use a "cd controller", software that will allow you to control the cd
operations. You should look in the audio section of the ports.

I like cdcontrol which is installed by default, but got no gui (Graphical
User Interface). You may like xcdplayer, in the ports...

regardz.

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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Max Anderson wrote:

> I know this is probably the silliest question, but I have my kernel on
> 1:wd(2,a)kernel
> how do I get it to auto boot from there when I reboot?? there has to be
> a way.. I tried the way in the kernel, but it didn't do anything to the
> "boot:" thing, it auto boots from 1:wd(1,a)kernel

I don't know what is the "kernel way", but I know that you can set your
boot message and boot defaults in the files /boot.help and /boot.config
(in that order). See man boot.

> Thanks!

no problemo!

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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Ken Seggerman wrote:

> Greetings:
> 
> I have a laptop (Toshiba Satellite 305CDS) running 2.2.5. I also have
> 2.2.5 running on my PC.
> 
> The modem that came with the laptop (Xircom CreditCard 56T) is not
> supported and I have given up on working around it with an external.
> 
> Thus I am unable at this time to avail myself of the ports collection.
> 
> cdplayer is not on the 2.2.5 CD, but I have it on the PC, I must haved
> downloaded the port, I don't remember.

I don't know anything such as cdplayer! In the ports (rel 2.2.6) I have:
beaupran@outpost [10:27am] ~/.procmail> ls /usr/ports/audio/
CVS/            gsm/            nspmod/         sox/            xmcd/
Makefile        kdemultimedia/  pkg/            splay/          xmix/
README.html     maplay/         playmidi/       timidity/       xmmix/
amp/            mikmod/         radio/          tosha/          xmpeg3/
cam/            mpegaudio/      rosegarden/     tracker/
cddbd/          mpg123/         rplay/          workman/
cdplay/         mxv/            rsynth/         xcd/
gmod/           nas/            s3mod/          xcdplayer/

So I got a cdplay, a xcdplayer, but no cdplayer... :)

> cdplayer works fine on the the PC. What I did was take the cdplayer
> executable from the PC, put it on a floppy and copied onto the laptop.

Maybe what you should have done is:
1-fetch the source code from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/distfiles/
2-put it in /usr/ports/distfiles/
3-fetch the port, if you do not have it already in /usr/ports/audio/
4-cd /usr/ports/audio/cdplay (or xcdplayer, or whatever)
5-make install
 
> The cdplayer program runs, it reads from the CD shows the tracks and
> volume, it stops, plays and pauses and even ejects the CD tray.

Ok, that's good.
 
> However no sound comes out of either the little laptop speakers or the 
> headphones when they are plugged in.

hmmm, is there a headphone plug on the cdplayer? Try putting it in this
one instead.
 
> I am hoping that this can be fixed by doing a MAKEDEV on some device in
> /dev like speaker or audiopcmcia or if necessary re-compiling the kernel.

I don't think so. If you can communicate with the cd, it must be something
else/
 
> I don't really know where to look for next.

I don't know laptops. If they have audio output, they gotta have a sound
card of some sort. Have you konfigured your kernel to enable it? Check the
output of the dmesg command (or the messages at boot time...) Your sound
card got to  be enabled at startup somehow...
 
> (I tried rplayer from the packages collection on the CD but couldn't even
> get that to work at all, does it even play CDs?)

No. It's got almost nothing to do with "cdplaying". From the description: 
<><><><><><><><><><><>
rplay is a flexible network audio system that allows sounds to be played
to and from local and remote systems.
<><><><><><><><><><><> 

Spidey


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Hello, I'm a freeBSD convert from linux. So far so good, using 2.2.5.
There are a couple of annoyances I thought I'd ask about.

1. When I su to root I get the following:
    su -
    su: kerberos: not in root's ACL.
    Password:

Since I'm not running kerberos I'm confused.  I tried to use kadmin but
couldn't figure it out.


2.  my ppp-on script logs me into my ISP just fine but I get this
message:
User Process PPP. Written by Toshiharu OHNO.
Using interface: tun0
Automatic Dialer mode
Tcp: Can't open socket 3000: No password in ppp.secret
What is socket 3000 used for and how can I get rid of this?


3.  I miss  Motif.  I have the Motif 2.1 package from RH for RH5.0.
Has anyone had any luck porting this?  Could I just try the rpm package
in the ports collection and install or is it much more complicated that
this.
I'm running LKM but get the message:
ELF binary type not known
when I try to startx with mwm as the window manager (then X crashes)
I'm using Netscape 4.04 for linux since I've heard about the
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	This is thrid time I have posted, so far with no usefuel answers.

	I have an HP Vectra which uses an onboard ps/2 mouse. I am runing
	2.2-STABLE, and it has been working for a long time, both in console
	mode, and in X.

	The other day I had to hard reboot the machien, when it locked up. Ever
	since the mouse will not work in eihter. I have removed and remoade
	/dev/psm0, moused is starting u when I boot the system. If I try to do
	cat < /dev/psm0 with it runing, I get device locked. If I kill moused
	and try it I get resource temporarily unavaialbe.

	If I boot the macine from a DOS floppy the mouse works.

	Please, can anyone sugest what to try?

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Are there filesystems in /etc/fstab that have non-zero pass numbers,
other than /, /usr, and, /var?

If this is not the problem, fsck is finding a problem with the
filesystem that it can not fix under the -p restrictions.  Look at
'man fsck'.

Using -y the way you do is dangerous.

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Make sure you download boot.flp as a BINARY image.  Either use ftp to
get the file or if you are using a browser, right-click on the link
and save the file as a binary file.

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On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 06:33:51PM +0800, M.G.G. Pillai wrote:
> I have just turned away from Windows 3.1 to FreeBSD, but I find I cannot
> use my preferred wordprocessing software, XyWin 4.01.  I am told there
> is a way to do so, but so far, after a month of using FreeBSD, I have
> not been able to.  I wonder if you could help.
> 
> I have downloaded StarWriter3.1 and LyX, but I do not want to switch to
> another wordprocessor if I can stick to XyWrite, which I have used for
> nearly ten years.
> 
> Could you help?
> 
> M.G.G. Pillai
> pillai@mgg.pc.my

	Have you heard about WINE and tried running it?  If so, you can
try posting the kinds of errors you get or the problems you are facing.
The key here is /detail/.  The first graf ("I am told there is a way
to do so, but so far, after a month of using FreeBSD, I have not been
able to.") doesn't really explain if you have made the attempt or not, and
what exacltly is wrong.  So, you'll need to provide details of what went
wrong.  But, I really don't think a lot of people are familiar with WINE
here (I'm not), but give it a shot -- you never know.
	Truth be known, you are much better off expending the effort
to learn a new word processor/editor than struggling with WINE.
	Sorry I wasn't much help, but what really prompted me to respond
is that I am one of the few people left on earth using XyWrite
(DOS Version) -- which we use at work. Truthly, it's all we need, but
it's pretty ancient (then again, so is `vi').

	@melior:

	<B>By ROB<P>

	:)
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Look in ports.

cd /usr/ports
make search key=cad | more

Or, use a browser to look at ports/README.html

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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Thomas Dean wrote:

> Are there filesystems in /etc/fstab that have non-zero pass numbers,
> other than /, /usr, and, /var?

There's only the one filesystem /
 
> If this is not the problem, fsck is finding a problem with the
> filesystem that it can not fix under the -p restrictions.  Look at
> 'man fsck'.

The problem turned out to be fixed with updating the way the fstab entry
is for the drive (wsd0a to wsd0s1a).  (Thanks Donald)
 
> Using -y the way you do is dangerous.

Yeah, I know, but it beats the hell out of driving somewhere to manually
run fsck or having a machine down all weekend.  So far, knock on wood, I
haven't had a problem. Sometimes the advantages outweigh the consequences.

Vince.
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On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Rizal M wrote:
   ^^^^^^^^^^^
=> Please show me how to install any packages to my server. I am beginner.

      Probably the easiest way is through the pkg_manager that is built
      into `/stand/sysinstall', from the main menu go to configure and
      use the link to installing packages.

      While your there you'll be able to set your Date/Time as well ;-)

      The other is to establish the installation media that you used and
      type `pkg_add "path_to_package_you_want_to_add/package.tgz"'
      See `man 1 pkg_add' for more details.
 
                              
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Joao Carlos wrote:
> file table full
> 
> where i have to change anything to fix it?

Build a new kernel with a higher value for maxusers

And if you hit this you should also take a look at /etc/login.conf
to make sure the values there are high enough.  man login.conf
for details.

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I left the "your-net" in the file thinking it was some sort of tag,
also left in there "your-netmask"

it looked like

your-net        192.168.0
your-netmask    255.255.255.0



> On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, laszlo vagner wrote:
> > what does this "your net" mean?
> 
> See /etc/networks
> You can give descriptive names to different networks.
> 
> Dan
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> Man pages are good for finding something if you know what you're
> looking for.  I never thought there would be an "unset" command, so I
> would have needed to read the entire man "page" (68 pages in the case
> of bash), which is rather inefficient.  I *did* scan it, but I thought
> it would be quicker to ask.  It was.

Imagine what other interesting and useful things you might have
discovered if you -had- read it all the way through...

Reading man pages, and other documentation, is a great way to avoid
re-inventing wheels.  I've lost count of the number of clumsy awk or
perl invocations I've found in scripts where the venerable cut(1) or
paste(1) would have been much cleaner.  (And faster.)  And that's
just the beginning.

And even if you have no immediate use for what you find, the knowlege
will lurk in the back of your mind waiting for a need to arise.  When
it does, you might not remember clearly; but you will have a much
better idea where to look, and what to look for.



-Pat

P.S.:  This message wasn't really aimed at Greg so much as at all
the newbies reading this list and absorbing random clues.  I believe
that Greg has been around long enough that I expect him to know the
advantages or gratuitously reading docs.  I can't really fault him
for missing something that has been added since he first read the
doc; or for being impatient enough to go straight to the list - I've
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I like to mount my iomega-zip-drive (atapi-ide) - how is the name of the
device (ide-controller 0, slave) for using in /etc/fstab ?


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My parallel port zip drive, will not work, here is the description of the problem:

i have compiled vpo0, ppbus0, nlpt0, ppi0, ppc0, sd0, and scbus0 into the kernel,
and on bootup, it will say a few things about vpo0, and waiting for scsi devices
to settle, but it will not assign it to a scsi device, and obviously doesnt probe
the zip drive, it just probes the device name... i have the info it gives about
vpo0 in the kernel (via dmesg and grep):

vpo0: <Adaptec aic7110 scsi> on ppbus 0
vpo0: waiting for scsi devices to settle
scbus0 at vpo0 bus 0

If anyone can give me any help, i would appreciate it very much :)

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whenusing mxv with 2.2.6 to record or play a sound, i get the error:
 
"unable to get audio buffer size"
 
i have adjusted the data memory limits under options, but this did not help.
 
anyone have good experiences with mxv or any sound editing software under a recent version of FreeBSD?
 
-bh
 

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To whom exactly it may concern ? :>
                                         It is with great appreciation &
'thankfulness, that I address this -question- to you, with hopes, that
you may 'enlighten me, with a couple of rather simple answers to a
couple of rather ' simple ' questions !?.....although as it may be,
perhaps I have underestimated, the actual Complex varibles, which
regards to the fact, that it isn't a very simple process if at all even
possible . I am a complete ' Clutz ' when it comes to these sorts of
situations & would rather ' ask for assitance ' from the -experts like
yourself ?!
            I have a diskette with FAT32 on it ,ready to install. This
being my first problem. I have a Pentium 133 16EDO RAM, utilizing FAT
16??, not FAT32. I WANT to install FAT32, but ofcourse I do not have any
knowledge on wether or not ,one can just go into DOS & install from
there or wehter it is even a safe situation to bother installing FAT32 ?

I gather, that I could recover more actual fdisk space ,badly needed. I
only have a 1.2 GiG
sized Hard-Drive . I also understand that it is simply better on one's
system to operate utilizing FAT32 ??  There appears to be alot of space
-wastage- using my present FAT16.
        If it is not too much trouble for you to give me some sort of
direction on this, I'd really appreciate it, because there seems to be
alot of different ' schools of thought on this FAT32 situation, & I do
not understand why it is such a big deal ?  I only see installing FAT32
as a definate +plus ?!...but what if any -risks are involved here. Is it
neccessary (hopefully not ) to install FAT32 on a newly -formatted
Hard-Drive ??  Why could'nt I just go into DOS & install the FAT32 from
there ?   I am rather confused about it . My gain as I see it, is the
recovery of additional -space -on my small Hard-Drive .  I also
understand that it is -apparently better on ones system because the
FAT32 reduces the actual -size- of the clusters ??   and oh yes, I
recently installed the W95OSR2 platform, but as I say, I still only have
the 16(fat?) configuration .  So is your -oppinion, that I would benefit
from increasing my existing system to accomodate a FAT32 setup ?
            Thanx very much for any amount of time which U may invest
with regards to my questions here ! Anything I can do inorder to
recipricate your kind endeavours would be much appreciated by me .
Please let me know if I can therefore do something in exchange for your
services in the form of advice here ?!
                   Sincerely yours ,
                                            Dave Hoppe
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It is with great appreciation &amp; 'thankfulness, that I address this
-question- to you, with hopes, that you may 'enlighten me, with a couple
of rather simple answers to a couple of rather ' simple ' questions !?.....although
as it may be, perhaps I have underestimated, the actual Complex varibles,
which regards to the fact, that it isn't a very simple process if at all
even possible . I am a complete ' Clutz ' when it comes to these sorts
of situations &amp; would rather ' ask for assitance ' from the -experts
like yourself ?!
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
I have a diskette with FAT32 on it ,ready to install. This being my first
problem. I have a Pentium 133 16EDO RAM, utilizing FAT 16??, not FAT32.
I WANT to install FAT32, but ofcourse I do not have any knowledge on wether
or not ,one can just go into DOS &amp; install from there or wehter it
is even a safe situation to bother installing FAT32 ?
<BR>I gather, that I could recover more actual fdisk space ,badly needed.
I only have a 1.2 GiG
<BR>sized Hard-Drive . I also understand that it is simply better on one's
system to operate utilizing FAT32 ??&nbsp; There appears to be alot of
space -wastage- using my present FAT16.
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If it is not too much trouble
for you to give me some sort of direction on this, I'd really appreciate
it, because there seems to be alot of different ' schools of thought on
this FAT32 situation, &amp; I do not understand why it is such a big deal
?&nbsp; I only see installing FAT32 as a definate +plus ?!...but what if
any -risks are involved here. Is it neccessary (hopefully not ) to install
FAT32 on a newly -formatted Hard-Drive ??&nbsp; Why could'nt I just go
into DOS &amp; install the FAT32 from there ?&nbsp;&nbsp; I am rather confused
about it . My gain as I see it, is the recovery of additional -space -on
my small Hard-Drive .&nbsp; I also understand that it is -apparently better
on ones system because the FAT32 reduces the actual -size- of the clusters
??&nbsp;&nbsp; and oh yes, I recently installed the W95OSR2 platform, but
as I say, I still only have the 16(fat?) configuration .&nbsp; So is your
-oppinion, that I would benefit from increasing my existing system to accomodate
a FAT32 setup ?
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Thanx very much for any amount of time which U may invest with regards
to my questions here ! Anything I can do inorder to recipricate your kind
endeavours would be much appreciated by me . Please let me know if I can
therefore do something in exchange for your services in the form of advice
here ?!
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Sincerely yours ,
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> that fixed my problem it turned out that i used a bad font when printing
> out the BSD hand book and the spaces were really hard to find...but now it
> still doesn't work now i have a login error

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I include here my disklabel /dev/wd0c output.

Enjoy!

On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Julian Elischer wrote:

> Sorry for taking so long to get back to you..

No problem!
 
> Some of this should go into the FAQ I think..

Or a tutorial, like "How to maintain FreeBSD's health" or "Getting
yourself out of deep s**t" ;)

> Greg is both right and wrong..
> It's dangerous and trick, but it can be done..
> 
> There are some rather extreme shortcuts that can be made.. 

Or is it throat-cuts?

> I have done far worse stuff than this..
> I once shifted the root partition while I was running on it :-)
> but it's been a couple of years since it tried this so beware..
> 
> 
> firstly terminology..
> I will ALWAYS refer to the partitions defined by block0 (the MBR) as
> slices.
> I will always refer to the partitions defined in a BSD disklabel as
> partitions..

OK i get it. :)
 
> Slices are defined by a table in the MBR. the program 'fdisk' prints out
> the contents of this table. (or lets you edit it). There are rows in the
> table. Each row is capable of defining a portion of disk. This portion
> becomes the slice of that number.. e.g. the first entry in the table
> becomes slice 1, the 2nd becomes slice 2 etc.

ok.
 
> The position of each slice on the disk is totally independent of the order
> in which they appear in the table.  So the last entry in the table may
> point to the first section of disk and the first may point to a portion of
> disk beyond that pointed to by the last. 

How do I know what-is-what then?

> If an entry in the table points
> to nothing (i.e. is all zeroes) it is shown as <UNUSED>.  any portion of
> the disk can be pointed to by 0, 1 ,2 ,3 or 4 entries in the table. it is
> usually considered an error to have a block included in 2 or more entries,
> but it can be done..

In that case, there is an overlap in the data?

> If the 'type' of a slice is '386BSD' then the system will further look
> inside that slice to see if there is a 'disklabel' (on block 1 (the second
> block) of that slice). If there is, it will read that disklabel and
> extract the "partition table" from it.  This is similar in concept to the
> table I mentioned before.  There are 8 rows to the table, each of which
> defines a partition. You may leave a row empty in which case it wil not
> appear in the disklabel when printed. the first entry in the table defines
> partition 'a', the second defines partition 'b', etc.

Then there can be only 8 partitions? Does that mean there can be only 8
filesystems? (/ /usr /var swap ...)
 
> One quirk of the present disklabels is that the 'on disk' format of the
> disklabels defines those partitions with block numbers relative to the
> BEGINNING OF THE DISK, rather than relative to the beginning of the slice
> in which the disklabel resides.  (in the future this may change)  This is
> a historical bogosity, which is hidden from you when you look at the
> disklabel, by a huge programming kludge.. Another thing to remember is
> that by definition the 3rd row of the table (partition 'c') is magic, and
> you should always make it equal to the whole slice on which you have the
> disklabel. In some cases if this is not so, the system might even correct
> it before showing it to you. I try to discourage people from using the 'c'
> partiton, because the 'magic' may change some day in which case they would
> be screwed.. 

This is why it is hell to add space at the beginning. (am I right?)

> Once again, any block in the slice can be pointed to by 0 , 1, 2 .... 8
> tables. The numbers 1, or 2 being legal. A patch of disk bay be pointed to
> by 0 if it is at the end of the slice and beyond the 'c' part. This should
> only happen in odd cases. (like there is a bad block out there you want to
> avoid). 

Lost me on this one. This mean that this "patch" (whatever that means)
points to 0 table? (which is none?!?)

> If a block is not being used in any real partition, it should
> still be within the range pointed to by the 'c' part.. This is the '1'
> case.  The normal case is if it is pointed to by a single 'normal' part,
> and of course is also within the range of the 'c' part. This is the '2'
> case.

Ok, so any normal partition points to its respective abdef... and to c.

>  Now having said that.. lets look at your questions..

ouf.
 
> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Spidey wrote:
> > 
> > First, I must ask another question prior to the others. Could somebody
> > explain these outputs of fdisk and df?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>prompt>df
> > Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> > /dev/wd0s2a     31775    16238    12995    56%    /
> > /dev/wd0s3    1023856   942944    80912    92%    /dos
> > /dev/wd0s2f   1132103   989859    51676    95%    /usr
> > /dev/wd0s2e     29727    24393     2956    89%    /var
> > procfs              4        4        0   100%    /proc
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prompt>fdisk
> > ******* Working on device /dev/rwd0 *******
> > parameters extracted from
> > in-core disklabel are:
> > cylinders=839 heads=128 sectors/track=63 (8064 blks/cyl)
> > 
> > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
> > cylinders=839 heads=128 sectors/track=63 (8064 blks/cyl)
> > 
> > Media sector size is 512
> > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
> > Information from DOS bootblock is:
> > The data for partition 1 is:
> > <UNUSED>
> > The data for partition 2 is:
> > sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
> >     start 3072384, size 3690312 (1801 Meg), flag 80
> >         beg: cyl 381/ sector 1/ head 0;
> >         end: cyl 838/ sector 24/ head 80
> > The data for partition 3 is:
> > sysid 6,(Primary 'big' DOS (> 32MB))
> >     start 8064, size 2048256 (1000 Meg), flag 0
> >         beg: cyl 1/ sector 1/ head 0;
> >         end: cyl 254/ sector 63/ head 127
> > The data for partition 4 is:
> > <UNUSED>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > 
> > Few mysterieies: 
> > 1) It is said clearly that my FBSD partition is 1801Mb in size. How come
> >    that the sum of my df numbers is only 1193609Kb (?=1.2Gb)???? I miss
> >    about 700Mb here!!!!
> 
> you didn't show the disklabel output.. You have defined a BSD slice but we
> can't se what you defined the internal structure of that space to be
> like..

Let's take a look:

8 partitions:
#        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
a:    65536        0    4.2BSD        0     0     0   # (Cyl.    0 - 8*)
b:   151248    65536      swap                        # (Cyl.    8*- 26*)
c:  3690312        0    unused        0     0         # (Cyl.    0 - 457*)
e:    61440   216784    4.2BSD        0     0     0   # (Cyl.   26*- 34*)
f:  2334512   278224    4.2BSD        0     0     0   # (Cyl.   34*- 323*)

What are the units of "size"? I presume that they are 512 bytes blocks, or
I would have 3.6 Gb or HD just for FBSD!!!

I have a 3.2 Gb Quantum Fireball HD, BTW.

And what is "Cyl." I would presume that its an abbrev for cylinder. . .
humm. Cylinder?

So here I see that I got my c partition that represents all the space
fbsd's taking, if I'm not lost... It's size is +- 1.8 Gb.

I understand that:
size(a) =    32,768 Kb // this is root
size(b) =    75,624 Kb // this is swap
size(c) = 1,845,156 Kb // this is the whole slice
size(d) =       ??? Kb // this is what???
size(e) =    30,720 Kb // this is /var
size(f) = 1,167,256 Kb // this is /usr

>From what I understand, the d partition is empty, and that's why it's
being omitted.

So that's my leak of space! I did it! ;)

Now I must change the end block of the /usr partition to be 3690312, which
is the end of c.

If I would have to make an entry in disk label for d, would it look like
that:?

d:  1077576  2612736    [???}         0     0         # (Cyl.  323*- 457*)

BTW, I'm sorry if I'm boring you to death, I'm trying to prove myself that
I understand...

I consider that part done, and I'm waiting for your approval to proceed.
(It looks too simple to be true...:)

Next section (we should really consider splitting this mail...)

> > 2) Why isn't fdisk giving the size of <UNUSED> partitions?
> 
> fdisk only shows the contents of the table..
> the unused regions of the disk  are unused exactly because they are not in
> the table..
> You can only discover the unused portions by inspection..
> they are:
> sectors 1->8063 (4 MB)  Microsoft wastage.
> sectors 2056320 -> 3072384 (~500MB)

That's the freespace I need to fit with fbsd.

> sectors 6762696 -> ???  (possibly 0 MB, as I don't know the number 
>                           of sectors in your drive.)

Well, taking that it's a 3.2Gb drive, since 1 Gb = 2^10Mb = 2^10 * 2^10 Kb 
= 1,048,576 Kb = 2,097,152 * 512 bytes, I got 6,710,886 sectors. ??? <
6762696 ????? The last <UNUSED> gotta be very small!?!

> There are also sections of the BSD slice that are not pointed to by any
> real disklabel entry (at least none that you have mounted.)  As you
> haven't show the output of disklabel I can't give you exact help, but you
> shoud do 'disklabel -e -r /dev/rwd0s2' and add a table entry on the end
> that points to the 500MB that you haven't used in that slice. Make sure
> you also update the 'number of partitions' entry as well or the new entry
> in the table will not be used.. (maybe this is hte mistake you already
> made?) 

As I understood, that's the d: partition... Shouldn't I just fit it after
/usr? Could I fit it after /var? (my logs are squeezed in 30Mb...)

> > 2.2) Therefore, how can I identify What are these <UNUSED> partitions? I
> > know one is 500Mb of free space, but the other????
> 
> No you are confused.. these are just empty entries in the table.

I got it.
 
> > Now back to my reply...

Well back to another section of this glorious odyssey!!!

> > On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Greg Lehey wrote:
> > 
> > > On Friday, 17 July 1998 at  8:00:44 -0400, Spidey wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> >  
> > > > 1 GB	DOS
> > > > 500 MB 	Free
> > > > 1750 MB FBSD
> > > >
> > > > Now I wish to fit in the 500 MB that is before the FBSD. Is it a different
> > > > procedure?
> > > 
> > > >From what?
> > 
> 
> yes it is..
> 
> first:
> do fdisk and disklabel and PRINT THEM OUT
> you'll need them to recover if we screw up..
> 
> TO add space to the FRONT of a FreeBSD slice we need to make use of the
> fact  that the Partition table entries in a disklabel are **based from
> block0 of the DISK**. (remember I mentioned this before?)

yes.

> This means that no matter where the disklabel is in the disk, it still
> refers to the same portions of disk. This is actually bad in all cases
> except this single case..
> 
> what you should do is get the 'fixit' floppy and the boot floppy
> from the 'floppies' directory in the distribution.

...downloading...
local: floppies/fixit.flp remote: floppies/fixit.flp
200 PORT command successful.
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'floppies/fixit.flp' (1474560
bytes).
 
> Boot from them
> (boot from the boot floppy and select the 'fixit' option
> and then follow directions.)
> 
> You could also do this from single-user mode but if you get it wrong you
> need to be able to fix it :-)
> 
> in either case the procedure is the same
> 
> ##########  WARNING.. GROSS HACK!!  ##############################
> fdisk -u /dev/rwd0
> 
> edit the LAST table entry (presently <UNUSED>)
> give it the following values:
> 
> start: 2056320
> size: 1016064
> ending: 3072383
> type 165
> 
> this will define a new BSD partition that points to the unused space
> below the BSD partition.

ok.

> but it is LATER in the table so it won't be the default BSD part..
> it will show up after a reboot as /dev/rwd0s4

got that too.

> -reboot- in the same way you just did..
> copy the bootblocks and disklabel from the existing BSD partition to the
> new one.
> dd if=/dev/rwd0s2 of=/dev/rwd0s4 count=16
> this copies the first 8k. you now have a disklabel in that slice.
> and becasue the blocks are refered to in ABSOLUTE TERMS the table entries
> for the partitions still point to the starts of the partitions in the
> other slice. 

this looks indeed very dangerous...
 
> reboot: (may not be needed but......)
> 
> disklabel -r /dev/rwd0s4
> we should get some valid info but it will probably complain mightily.
> 
> If code has been added to munge the disklabel when we read it from the
> other partition (since I tried this last), all the offsets would be wrong
> and the 'a' part would start at 0 instead of 500MB in. CHECK IF THIS IS
> SO.  If so we need to fix the offsets.  let me know and we'll ammend the
> instructions..

hummmmmmmmm.... uh, this new slice is *before* my original fbsd slice. And
that's where the 500Mb comes from? I think I understand...

> TRY use the disklabel -e command below and fix the fields mentionned
> below, if it won't let you, do the next boot and continue.. 

this is: disklabel -e /dev/rwd0s4?
or: disklabel -e /dev/rwd0s2???
 
> Up until this point you should still have a running system.......

eeek.
 
> Now come the part when we pull the carpet out from under our own feet..
> do fdisk -u /dev/rwd0 
> and expand the last part to size 4706376
> and set the type, size and start of the old BSD part to 0

OK... I'm figuring it out... We're transfering the disklabel of wd0s2 to
wd0s4...

> reboot again. (if it doesn't boot into single user mode, use the fixit
> disk/boot disk combo.)

=  please please please please please please please please please !

> disklabel -er /dev/rwd0s4
> fix the size of the 'c' partition

to be... 3690312 sectors + 500Mb?

> fix the 'sectors per unit' entry.

to be... ? What is that? The size of the slice (?= unit?)
 
> reboot
> 
> THEORETICALLY you should now have a single bsd slice, with the existing
> partitions in it with a bunch of free space before them
> 
> use dikslabel -e -r /dev/rwd0s4
> to add a new partition to use the new 500MB space

Couldn't I fit it after another partition?
 
> use newfs to put filesystems on both new partitions (teh noew one at teh
> front and the new one at the end.

Now I'm lost! in my mind I have only 1 new partition, and it's freespace.

> add entries in /etc/fstab to use them.

again...

> IF this fails you can recover by:
> booting the fixit way,
> doing
> fdisk -u /dev/rwd0
> and typing in all the entries that were there before..

ok...

> let me know how it goes!

Thanks a lot! I will first wait for your reply to come...

Spidey

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oooops! I missed that!

On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Julian Elischer wrote:
> > ##########  WARNING.. GROSS HACK!!  ##############################
> > fdisk -u /dev/rwd0
> > 
> > edit the LAST table entry (presently <UNUSED>)
> > give it the following values:
> > 
> > start: 2056320
> > size: 1016064
> > ending: 3072383
> > type 165
> > 
> > this will define a new BSD partition that points to the unused space
> > below the BSD partition.
> > but it is LATER in the table so it won't be the default BSD part..
> > it will show up after a reboot as /dev/rwd0s4
> > 
> > -reboot- in the same way you just did..
> > copy the bootblocks and disklabel from the existing BSD partition to
> the
> > new one.
> > dd if=/dev/rwd0s2 of=/dev/rwd0s4 count=16
> > this copies the first 8k. you now have a disklabel in that slice.
> > and becasue the blocks are refered to in ABSOLUTE TERMS the table entries
> > for the partitions still point to the starts of the partitions in the
> > other slice. 
> > 
> > reboot: (may not be needed but......)
> > 
> > disklabel -r /dev/rwd0s4
> > we should get some valid info but it will probably complain mightily.
> > 
> It occurs to me that this may be enough for you..
> The new space doesn't need to be part of the existing BSD slice..
> we can simply add another.
> 
> Using  disklabel -e
> you can correct the partitions here so that only partition c and d exist,
> and both cover the entire SLICE. then newfs the new 'd' partition.
> newfs /dev/rwd0s4d
> 
> this would be all you ned to do..
> enter it into the /etc/fstab as wd0s4d
> 
> you should be done..

Well, I would prefer to have just one fbsd slice... Unless you tell me
that it's really shooting myself in the foot...

BTW, I lost some mail recently (because I'm an imbecile, and that I don't
take rm seriously enough...). Could you forward me the mail greg sent me?

thanks!

Spidey


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Hello!

I was happily fetching my mail with fetchmail today when I got that:
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It's no password error. Fetchmail never failed me before (almost!).
Before, I got messages like:
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fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< [...?] first part of multi-MIME 

or something like that...

This is weird. I got to get my mail!!!

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Norman C Rice wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 08:49:36AM +0000, Dan Boudro wrote:
> > Hello, I'm a freeBSD convert from linux. So far so good, using 2.2.5.
> > There are a couple of annoyances I thought I'd ask about.
> >
> > 1. When I su to root I get the following:
> >     su -
> >     su: kerberos: not in root's ACL.
> >     Password:
>
>  Try `su -K'. If it does what you want, alias `su' to `su -K'.
>
> > Since I'm not running kerberos I'm confused.  I tried to use kadmin but
> > couldn't figure it out.
> >
> >
> > 2.  my ppp-on script logs me into my ISP just fine but I get this
> > message:
> > User Process PPP. Written by Toshiharu OHNO.
> > Using interface: tun0
> > Automatic Dialer mode
> > Tcp: Can't open socket 3000: No password in ppp.secret
> > What is socket 3000 used for and how can I get rid of this?
>
> man ppp. Add an entry in /etc/ppp/ppp.secret.
>
>    MyAuthName MyAuthPasswd
>
> > 3.  I miss  Motif.  I have the Motif 2.1 package from RH for RH5.0.
> > Has anyone had any luck porting this?  Could I just try the rpm package
> > in the ports collection and install or is it much more complicated that
> > this.
> > I'm running LKM but get the message:
> > ELF binary type not known
>
> man brandelf.   brandelf -t Linux filename
>
> Be sure you have enabled Linux emulation in /etc/rc.conf.
>
>  linux_enable="YES"  # Linux emulation loaded at startup (or NO)
>
> > when I try to startx with mwm as the window manager (then X crashes)
> > I'm using Netscape 4.04 for linux since I've heard about the
> > problems people have had with 4.05 for FreeBSD and it works fine.
> >
> > Thank you for any help.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
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> --
> Regards,
> Norman C. Rice, Jr.


Thanks!  I'm using fvwm2 but I wanted to use my Motif for development
work.  I don't think that will be possible under freeBSD  until I break down

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What should I expect for a result if I disconnected my F.Bsd_205 (root)
disk .. installed a new 2-4Gb disk and brought up 226+, then remounted
(or tried to remount) my old root 205 disk to copy back partitions I
want
or even permanently reconnected /home..etc from OLD .. such as ..

Better yet .. is it possible to modify the native 205 boot disk selector
to
go to a new disk or to the old disk as the boot device . .  ???   Allow
either to mount pieces of the others (slices) ??

/Everett/

Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/sd0a       31775    21011     8222    72%    /
/dev/sd0s1h    374239   306061    38238    89%    /home
/dev/sd0s1g     31775    10136    19097    35%    /home2
/dev/sd0s1e    496367   427277    29380    94%    /usr
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I've been able to compile KDE 1.0 Support, Libs, Base, Admin, Network, Utils,
and most of games(it hung on mygame.cpp or something, but the games work 
so I'm not incredibly concerned.. But, I did have some problems compiling the
multimedia and graphics packages these are the errors i got:

KDMultimedia:
Makeing all kmedia
Making all  etc.. 
all the way down to 
Makeing all in es
make: don't know  how to make kmidgrame.moc. Stop
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
On KDE graphics it goes all the way down to:
c-auto.h is unchanged
"Makefile", line 305: Missing dependency operator
"Makefile", line 305: Need an operator
"Makefile", line 308: Need an operator
"Makefile", line 319: Need an operator
"Makefile", line 322: Need an operator
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

*** Error code 1

Stop.


Any suggestions?

thanks
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Barry Grotjahn wrote:

> I like to mount my iomega-zip-drive (atapi-ide) - how is the name of the
> device (ide-controller 0, slave) for using in /etc/fstab ?
>
> Barry Grotjahn
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sorry... it seems faq's are shifted from 2.2.2R.. hmm... obviously..

faq48 is the correct one regarding Iomega ZIP drives... !


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                        Hello!         (sorry about my bad english)
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Me and my friend here in sweden have decided to have
a show, there we will show companys how Linux works and
how to control it. We are both going at high school and we
are working with your FREE BSD Linux version every day. 
The show starts at our school in October, we are both going the 
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now to the question......

We wonder if your company ( FREE BSD ) can sponsor us with 2 T- shirts 
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What line must I insert for my iomega-zip-drive ?
I found out that it is :
/dev/wfd0 and tried out :
/etc/wfd0 /iomega msdos rw,noauto : I got this error-message :
msdos : /dev/wfd0 : invalid argument .
What is the right argument instead of msdos or better :
what is the right line for the iomega-zip-drive (atapi-ide) ?


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> Hi,
> 
> I am having some headaches trying to set up mpd-1.0b4 from the ports.  The
> software install went fine but I am now trying to get the configs right
> to enable dialup to the ISP.  
[.....]

The latest user-ppp supports multilink - with very little change to 
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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Micah Mayo wrote:

> 
> I've been able to compile KDE 1.0 Support, Libs, Base, Admin, Network, Utils,
> and most of games(it hung on mygame.cpp or something, but the games work 
> so I'm not incredibly concerned.. But, I did have some problems compiling the
> multimedia and graphics packages these are the errors i got:

I snagged the makefiles from ports 3.0 and tried installing. it got to the
jpeg library and barfed.

I then grabbed the source tarballs and compiled by "hand." I got the same
lockup on mpgame.cpp or whatever. The games are not funcitonal though.
Icons are missing and some don't run at all.


The other errors I got are also identical to the ones you saw.

No clues here. :-)

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> Hi. I'm working on configuring my pc in dualboot fashion: Windows 95 and
> FreeBSD. I'm currently trying to set up my system  for dialup internet
> access.
[.....]
>  set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATE1Q0M0
> OK-AT-OK\\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT"
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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:14:09, you wrote:

Yes, how DOES the Linux version of FreeBSD compare to say.... 2.2.6???
:-)  HAHAHAHAHA  ROFL

>                        Hello!         (sorry about my bad english)
>                   ***************
>
>
>Me and my friend here in sweden have decided to have
>a show, there we will show companys how Linux works and
>how to control it. We are both going at high school and we
>are working with your FREE BSD Linux version every day. 
>The show starts at our school in October, we are both going the 
>computer program at Hessleholms technical school. 
>
>now to the question......
>
>We wonder if your company ( FREE BSD ) can sponsor us with 2 T- shirts 
>witch we can wear when we are showing all people your free and very secure system 
>and its soft and harware.
>Me David and my friend Martin should be very happy if your company 
>send us this shirts.
>
>
>Please reply this messege..
>
>
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>
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I'm sorry. The problem was that I was out of space in /var. Sendmail would
not queue the mail so it did't answer.

All apologies.

Spidey

On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Jon Hamilton wrote:

> 
> In message <Pine.BSF.3.96.980719163554.610A-100000@outpost.nada.org>, Spidey wr
> ote:
> } Hello!
> } 
> } I was happily fetching my mail with fetchmail today when I got that:
> } beaupran@outpost [4:35pm] ~> fetchmail -v
> } fetchmail: 4.3.8 querying 10.0.2.1 (protocol POP3) at Sun Jul 19 16:36:46
> } 1998
> } fetchmail: POP3< +OK slirp.popper (version 2.2-b5/1) at
> } derby.jsp.umontreal.ca starting.  
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> } fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
> } fetchmail: POP3< +OK beaupran has 1 message (641 octets).
> } fetchmail: selecting or re-polling default folder
> } fetchmail: POP3> STAT
> } fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 641
> } fetchmail: 1 message for beaupran at 10.0.2.1.
> } fetchmail: POP3> LIST
> } fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 messages (641 octets)
> } fetchmail: POP3< 1 641
> } fetchmail: POP3< .
> } fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1
> } fetchmail: POP3< +OK 641 octets
> } reading message 1 of 1 (641 bytes)
> } fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed: Connection refused
> 
> It's trying to talk to your MTA on port 25, which isn't listening.  Either
> fix that, or use the --mda option to fetchmail to avoid having it try to
> talk smtp to your machine in order to deliver mail.
> 
> -- 
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Hello everybody :)  I've been trying to get my pcmcia modem (an USR XJ1560) to
work for a while now, but am now officially stuck.  When I insert the card, i
get a message confirming it:

Card inserted, slot 0                   <--- from kernel
Jul 19 18:08:36 myname /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
Jul 19 18:08:36 myname /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
sio2: type 16550A                       <---- from kernel
Jul 19 18:08:37 myname /kernel: sio2: type 16550A
Jul 19 18:08:37 myname /kernel: sio2: type 16550A

but when i try "cu -l /dev/cuaa2" (as root) it says "Conected." and beeps, but
nothing else.  When I try to turn the echo on or to make it scream with ATA I
get no response.  Also, it does not appear to execute the "insert" line i have
associated with it (echo modem inserted.)  Have any of you had this problm or
know a way around it?  Thank you very much in advance.

                                - chad

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Hi

I searched the questions archive but cannot find any fix for 
the problem of Netscape running out of memory under FreeBsd.
Has anyone solved this problem.

This is a problem unique to FreeBsd - Netscape works fine with
all other OSes.

Also, while trying to view a movie jpg in Netscape under FreeBsd,
the jpeg just does not come up - ofcourse, the problem is probably
the same, that Netscape has run out of memory.

I have a Pentium-233 with 32 MB ram and swap space of 100 MB - so
and I am only running Netscape  - it still runs out of memory.

Anybody know of a patch or fix ??

Thanks
Gupta

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Yeah  Freebsd2000-current sounds good :)

>>
>>> When FreeBSD 3.0 is Released in October, what will the  -current branch
>>> be called??
>>
>> 3.1-CURRENT, I suspect.  I don't think we're going to jump to 4 that
fast.
>
>4 ... Phhaaaa ... i suggest 2000 then we are 2 years ahead of MicroShit.
>


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On Sunday, 19 July 1998 at 10:56:36 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
> 	This is thrid time I have posted, so far with no usefuel answers.
>
> 	I have an HP Vectra which uses an onboard ps/2 mouse. I am runing
> 	2.2-STABLE, and it has been working for a long time, both in console
> 	mode, and in X.
>
> 	The other day I had to hard reboot the machien, when it locked up. Ever
> 	since the mouse will not work in eihter. I have removed and remoade
> 	/dev/psm0, moused is starting u when I boot the system. If I try to do
> 	cat < /dev/psm0 with it runing, I get device locked. If I kill moused
> 	and try it I get resource temporarily unavaialbe.
>
> 	If I boot the macine from a DOS floppy the mouse works.
>
> 	Please, can anyone sugest what to try?

This is a tough one, because "It used to work, I didn't change
anything, and now it doesn't work".  Obviously something *has*
changed.  It appears not to be the mouse if it still works under
Microsoft, so it's probably configuration.   Here are some things to
check:

1.  Is the mouse port enabled?  Older kernel config files disabled
    psm0.  Check dmesg output.

2.  Are you sure your moused is running against the correct port?

That's about all I can think of now.

Greg
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I recently had the same kerberos error, It happens when you install kerberos but
either dont use it or try to remove it. It doent seem to be a problem other than
an error that does nothing. I was informed that the only soultions was make
world or to reinstall from the beginning since I wasnt ready to do that at the
time I decided to tolorate the error.
Gary

Dan Boudro wrote:

> Norman C Rice wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 08:49:36AM +0000, Dan Boudro wrote:
> > > Hello, I'm a freeBSD convert from linux. So far so good, using 2.2.5.
> > > There are a couple of annoyances I thought I'd ask about.
> > >
> > > 1. When I su to root I get the following:
> > >     su -
> > >     su: kerberos: not in root's ACL.
> > >     Password:
> >
> >  Try `su -K'. If it does what you want, alias `su' to `su -K'.
> >
> > > Since I'm not running kerberos I'm confused.  I tried to use kadmin but
> > > couldn't figure it out.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2.  my ppp-on script logs me into my ISP just fine but I get this
> > > message:
> > > User Process PPP. Written by Toshiharu OHNO.
> > > Using interface: tun0
> > > Automatic Dialer mode
> > > Tcp: Can't open socket 3000: No password in ppp.secret
> > > What is socket 3000 used for and how can I get rid of this?
> >
> > man ppp. Add an entry in /etc/ppp/ppp.secret.
> >
> >    MyAuthName MyAuthPasswd
> >
> > > 3.  I miss  Motif.  I have the Motif 2.1 package from RH for RH5.0.
> > > Has anyone had any luck porting this?  Could I just try the rpm package
> > > in the ports collection and install or is it much more complicated that
> > > this.
> > > I'm running LKM but get the message:
> > > ELF binary type not known
> >
> > man brandelf.   brandelf -t Linux filename
> >
> > Be sure you have enabled Linux emulation in /etc/rc.conf.
> >
> >  linux_enable="YES"  # Linux emulation loaded at startup (or NO)
> >
> > > when I try to startx with mwm as the window manager (then X crashes)
> > > I'm using Netscape 4.04 for linux since I've heard about the
> > > problems people have had with 4.05 for FreeBSD and it works fine.
> > >
> > > Thank you for any help.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
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> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Norman C. Rice, Jr.
>
> Thanks!  I'm using fvwm2 but I wanted to use my Motif for development
> work.  I don't think that will be possible under freeBSD  until I break down
>
> and buy it.
>
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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, G Gupta wrote:

# 
# Hi
# 
# I searched the questions archive but cannot find any fix for 
# the problem of Netscape running out of memory under FreeBsd.
# Has anyone solved this problem.
# 
# This is a problem unique to FreeBsd - Netscape works fine with
# all other OSes.
# 
# Also, while trying to view a movie jpg in Netscape under FreeBsd,
# the jpeg just does not come up - ofcourse, the problem is probably
# the same, that Netscape has run out of memory.
# 
# I have a Pentium-233 with 32 MB ram and swap space of 100 MB - so
# and I am only running Netscape  - it still runs out of memory.
# 
# Anybody know of a patch or fix ??
# 

I had a similar problem and tweaking the memory* parameters
in /etc/login.conf fixed it for me.  A quick check to see if
this is related to system limits is to run Netscape as root
and see if the problem goes away.

Steve

PS: Make sure you re-login after changing any limits in
    /etc/login.conf. :)

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> 	I was wondering if it were possible for you to send me a list of
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Quoting Micah Mayo (anxiety@primenet.com):
> 
> I've been able to compile KDE 1.0 Support, Libs, Base, Admin, Network, Utils,
> and most of games(it hung on mygame.cpp or something, but the games work 
> so I'm not incredibly concerned.. But, I did have some problems compiling the
> multimedia and graphics packages these are the errors i got:

You may want to try using gmake to compile instead of the BSD make utility.
I found that I was unable to compile the KDE-graphics package with make, 
but it compiled flawlessly with gmake. A good rule of thumb when 'rolling
your own' is to use gmake when the FreeBSD make pukes.

Of course, Your Mileage May Vary...  ;)

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This might be a bit late, in fact I only skimmed over the message, but if
you recompile /usr/bin/su it will get rid of that Kerberos/Root's ACL
message. And then you dont have to rig your system up with alias' and
whatnot.

Michael Reeh



On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Gary Landers wrote:

> I recently had the same kerberos error, It happens when you install kerberos but
> either dont use it or try to remove it. It doent seem to be a problem other than
> an error that does nothing. I was informed that the only soultions was make
> world or to reinstall from the beginning since I wasnt ready to do that at the
> time I decided to tolorate the error.
> Gary
> 
> Dan Boudro wrote:
> 
> > Norman C Rice wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 08:49:36AM +0000, Dan Boudro wrote:
> > > > Hello, I'm a freeBSD convert from linux. So far so good, using 2.2.5.
> > > > There are a couple of annoyances I thought I'd ask about.
> > > >
> > > > 1. When I su to root I get the following:
> > > >     su -
> > > >     su: kerberos: not in root's ACL.
> > > >     Password:
> > >
> > >  Try `su -K'. If it does what you want, alias `su' to `su -K'.
> > >
> > > > Since I'm not running kerberos I'm confused.  I tried to use kadmin but
> > > > couldn't figure it out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2.  my ppp-on script logs me into my ISP just fine but I get this
> > > > message:
> > > > User Process PPP. Written by Toshiharu OHNO.
> > > > Using interface: tun0
> > > > Automatic Dialer mode
> > > > Tcp: Can't open socket 3000: No password in ppp.secret
> > > > What is socket 3000 used for and how can I get rid of this?
> > >
> > > man ppp. Add an entry in /etc/ppp/ppp.secret.
> > >
> > >    MyAuthName MyAuthPasswd
> > >
> > > > 3.  I miss  Motif.  I have the Motif 2.1 package from RH for RH5.0.
> > > > Has anyone had any luck porting this?  Could I just try the rpm package
> > > > in the ports collection and install or is it much more complicated that
> > > > this.
> > > > I'm running LKM but get the message:
> > > > ELF binary type not known
> > >
> > > man brandelf.   brandelf -t Linux filename
> > >
> > > Be sure you have enabled Linux emulation in /etc/rc.conf.
> > >
> > >  linux_enable="YES"  # Linux emulation loaded at startup (or NO)
> > >
> > > > when I try to startx with mwm as the window manager (then X crashes)
> > > > I'm using Netscape 4.04 for linux since I've heard about the
> > > > problems people have had with 4.05 for FreeBSD and it works fine.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for any help.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Norman C. Rice, Jr.
> >
> > Thanks!  I'm using fvwm2 but I wanted to use my Motif for development
> > work.  I don't think that will be possible under freeBSD  until I break down
> >
> > and buy it.
> >
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> 
> 
> 
> --
> Gary Landers
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> 
> 
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The link on Quick Newsletter Volume #1 Issue#3 for the FreeBSD Online News,
http://freebsd-online.ml.org/, doesn't work.  There is now DNS entry and
nslookups don't work either.

I would really like to check it out.  Is the address wrong, or what?

Let me know.


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Hello experts

Is it possible to get cdrom driven via parallel port working with 2.2.6? 
The system is a toshiba laptop.
If this is possible, please point me to the how-to.

Thanks
-- 
John

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Uhhh... isn't it time for your medication?

> To whom exactly it may concern ? :>
>
> It is with great appreciation & 'thankfulness, that I address this -question-
> to you, with hopes, that you may 'enlighten me, with a couple of rather
> simple answers to a couple of rather ' simple ' questions !?.....although as
> it may be, perhaps I have underestimated, the actual Complex varibles, which
> regards to the fact, that it isn't a very simple process if at all even
> possible . I am a complete ' Clutz ' when it comes to these sorts of
> situations & would rather ' ask for assitance ' from the -experts like
> yourself ?!
>
> I have a diskette with FAT32 on it ,ready to install. This being my first
> problem. I have a Pentium 133 16EDO RAM, utilizing FAT 16??, not FAT32. I
> WANT to install FAT32, but ofcourse I do not have any knowledge on wether or
> not ,one can just go into DOS & install from there or wehter it is even a
> safe situation to bother installing FAT32 ?
> 
> I gather, that I could recover more actual fdisk space ,badly needed. I only
> have a 1.2 GiG sized Hard-Drive . I also understand that it is simply better
> on one's system to operate utilizing FAT32 ??  There appears to be alot of
> space - -wastage- using my present FAT16.
>
> If it is not too much trouble for you to give me some sort of direction on
> this, I'd really appreciate it, because there seems to be alot of different '
> schools of thought on this FAT32 situation, & I do not understand why it is
> such a big deal ?  I only see installing FAT32 as a definate +plus ?!...but
> what if any -risks are involved here. Is it neccessary (hopefully not ) to
> install FAT32 on a newly -formatted Hard-Drive ??  Why could'nt I just go
> into DOS & install the FAT32 from there ?   I am rather confused about it .
> My gain as I see it, is the recovery of additional -space -on my small
> Hard-Drive .  I also understand that it is -apparently better on ones system
> because the FAT32 reduces the actual -size- of the clusters ??   and oh yes,
> I recently installed the W95OSR2 platform, but as I say, I still only have
> the 16(fat?) configuration .  So is your -oppinion, that I would benefit from
> increasing my existing system to accomodate a FAT32 setup ?
>
> Thanx very much for any amount of time which U may invest with regards to my
> questions here ! Anything I can do inorder to recipricate your kind
> endeavours would be much appreciated by me .  Please let me know if I can
> therefore do something in exchange for your services in the form of advice
> here ?!
>                    Sincerely yours ,
>                                             Dave Hoppe

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Hello, I have just recently installed FreeBSD 2.2.5 and am running X so
that I can use Netscape.  I am having a problem getting X to run in more
than just the standard 256 colors.  I have looked thruout the mailing
list archives, and it seems that the number one answer that everyone
seems to give is that you should invoke startx -- -bpp 16 (Or whatever)
to get that many bit planes.  I have also seen to edit the .xinitrc or
the .Xresources, or the XF86Config file.  I have tried all of these
unsucsessfully.  Now, it may be that netscape just wont work in more
than 256 colors but I find that hard to believe.  To give you a bit of
info, I am using a S3Virge 2 MEG video card running X in 1024X768 trying
to run it in 16BIT, as that is max with 2 MEGS of video RAM, I have set
my X program to execute /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3V I have tried with just
the XF86_S3 but I am unable to start the server.  I really would love to
figure this out, but I guess I am really missing something pretty
simple.  If there is someone out there that may be able to help me with
this issue, I would be very much indebted to them.  Oh, another thig, to
mention, I am running the mwm window manager.  

Thanks in advance.

Daniel Greer
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dream_coders@usa.net wrote:
>                         Hello!         (sorry about my bad english)
>                    ***************
> 
> 
> Me and my friend here in sweden have decided to have
> a show, there we will show companys how Linux works and
> how to control it. We are both going at high school and we
> are working with your FREE BSD Linux version every day. 

Hmm.  I think you mean "FreeBSD Unix" version.

> The show starts at our school in October, we are both going the 
> computer program at Hessleholms technical school. 
> 
> now to the question......
> 
> We wonder if your company ( FREE BSD ) can sponsor us with 2 T- shirts 
> witch we can wear when we are showing all people your free and very secure system 
> and its soft and harware.
> Me David and my friend Martin should be very happy if your company 
> send us this shirts.
> 
> 
> Please reply this messege..
> 
> 
>                       FREE BSD IS THE BEST!
>                    '''''''''''''''''''''''''
> 
> /* David Roslund , Martin Svensson */

well, nice try for a couple of free T-shirts, but you need to do
a little more research.

	a) FreeBSD isn't Linux. Linux is a unix kernel clone, with utilities
	from the FSF.  FreeBSD is Unix, ported to run on PeeCee hardware.

	b) The two projects are rivals, usually friendly.

	c) FreeBSD, although a corporation (FreeBSD, Inc) for tax purposes,
	is, in fact, a non-profit charity mostly operated by volunteers. 
	How about you send FreeBSD a couple of T-Shirts from your school?

	d) There are some T-Shirts /for sale/, I think. Profits from stuff
	like T-Shirts, alas, are important to keep the project going, :)

More information about FreeBSD can found at www.freebsd.org.

Dave
-- 
Sancho Panza: `Microsoft Windows NT Server is the most secure network 
	operating system available.'
Don Quixote: `You are mistaken, Sancho.'

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Dave Hoppe wrote:
> To whom exactly it may concern ? :>
>             I have a diskette with FAT32 on it ,ready to install. This
> being my first problem. I have a Pentium 133 16EDO RAM, utilizing FAT
> 16??, not FAT32. I WANT to install FAT32, but ofcourse I do not have any
> knowledge on wether or not ,one can just go into DOS & install from
> there or wehter it is even a safe situation to bother installing FAT32 ?
> 

I think you want to talk to a Windoze mailing list. BSD uses the UFS/FFS
(Unix File System/Fast File System), which is unrelated to FAT anything.

All I know is that FAT 32 is one of the alleged improvements in
Windoze 98.  No matter how you cut it, though, M$ FAT is still a floppy
disk file system used on hard drives. It will never give adequate
performance except for interactive single-user applications.

W-NT has already abandoned FAT-XX.

BSD can currently read and write FAT16, and may handle FAT32 in future,
but it's not for serious use under BSD. [BSD is a non-M$ related operating
system, not a Windoze program.]

Dave
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Umm.....If you run "ps -axuww | grep sendmail" does it come back saying that
it is "accepting connections on port 25"?

Also, on one very very strange occasion, if I probed the machine as
"localhost" port 25 was unavailable, but if I probed it as the IP (or name),
port 25 was open.  I rebooted and it came up fine.

Anyway, I would just check and verify that sendmail is running.  I expect
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>Hello!
>
>I was happily fetching my mail with fetchmail today when I got that:
>beaupran@outpost [4:35pm] ~> fetchmail -v
>fetchmail: 4.3.8 querying 10.0.2.1 (protocol POP3) at Sun Jul 19 16:36:46
>1998
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>fetchmail: 1 message for beaupran at 10.0.2.1.
>fetchmail: POP3> LIST
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>fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
>fetchmail: POP3<
>fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from 10.0.2.1
>fetchmail: normal termination, status 10
>
>It's no password error. Fetchmail never failed me before (almost!).
>Before, I got messages like:
>fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed: Connection refused
>fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
>fetchmail: POP3< [...?] first part of multi-MIME
>
>or something like that...
>
>This is weird. I got to get my mail!!!
>
>Spidey
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If you go to to:

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:mail.html

The first choice (27.1.1. List summary) is a list of all the mailing lists
and a description of what they are.  The next choice (27.1.2. How to
subscribe) is how to join any one of the lists.

Also, a comment to make it easier.  The listserv can handle multiple
commands in one e-mail, so you can list all of the subscribes in one e-mail,
and all the acknowledges in one e-mail also.

Hope this helps.

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> I was wondering if it were possible for you to send me a list of
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I am interested in setting up a dialup router to route internet requests
from a lan to the internet via a dialup account.  This system should be
"self sustaining", and should not require daily maintenance once configures
and installed.

I think the PicoBSD is the way to go, but the information on the
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bsd.  I am getting frustrated in setting up a simple router (I've been
working on this little project for about 2 weeks so far, with no success).

Is there anyone here who has experience using PicoBSD who is willing to
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Hi,

I have run into a problem after installing a iomega zip drive.
Heres the scenario: ( i know some of these statements might not be
necessary
but I like to be thorough :))

1)I turned pnp back on for windows
2)installed ide version of internal iomega zip drive
3) booted into windows,  windows found everything ok
4) booted into freebsd to surf web and listen to music
5) started up kscd, and about 2 seconds after starting it up realized I
forgot to
turn pnp off
6) kscd wouldn't close, I tried kill -9 (the pid), and it didn't help, i
finally used
the afterstep destroy function, but then freebsd got hung up (i.e. I
closed down
afterstep and couldn't open any more virtual terminals with alt=f*, I
couldn't
get to a prompt using ctrl-c etc.)
7) did a hard reboot turned off pnp and booted into freebsd, same
problem as
listed in step 7
8) did another hard reboot and executed /stand/sysinstall, but it got
hung up on
the probing devices menu thingy, and I couldn't open any more virtual
terminals
9) booted using the freebsd installation diskette with a generic kernel,
it also
got hung up on the probing devices... menu thingy, I was able to open
virtual
terminal f2 and it said the following messages

Debug: ioctl (3, TIOCCONS, NULL) = 0 (success)
Debug: Found a network device named vx0
Debug: Found a netowrk device named lp0

10) did another hard reboot because I couldn't get to a prompt off the
diskette

So, everything in freebsd works except tryign to mount the cdrom, and
using
the sysinstall program.

Here are my system specs:
p 200,
32 meg of ram,
4.1 gig hard drive (win 95),
5.1 gig hdd( freebsd, dead space -fat 32),
iomega zip drive,
atapi cd-rom(was known as wcd0-currently known as ???)

Here is my dmesg:
Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
        The Regents of the University of California.  All rights
reserved.

FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE #0: Sat Jul 11 15:53:16 EDT 1998
    error@gk.erols.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/DABOMB
CPU: Pentium (199.90-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x544  Stepping=4
  Features=0x8001bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX>
real memory  = 33554432 (32768K bytes)
avail memory = 30461952 (29748K bytes)
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0 <Intel 82437VX PCI cache memory controller> rev 2 on pci0:0:0
chip1 <Intel 82371SB PCI-ISA bridge> rev 1 on pci0:7:0
chip2 <Intel 82371SB IDE interface> rev 0 on pci0:7:1
vga0 <VGA-compatible display device> rev 6 int a irq 12 on pci0:9:0
vx0 <3COM 3C905 Fast Etherlink XL PCI> rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:11:0
mii[*mii*]: disable 'auto select' with DOS util! address
00:60:08:c5:eb:2f
Probing for PnP devices:
CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL009c [0x9c008c0e] Serial 0x0005dee1
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
lp0: TCP/IP capable interface
lpt1 not found at 0xffffffff
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <WDC AC34000L>
wd0: 3815MB (7814016 sectors), 7752 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): <WDC AC35100L>
wd1: 4924MB (10085040 sectors), 10672 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa
wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): <IOMEGA  ZIP 100       ATAPI/23.D>, removable,
intr,
iordis
wfd0: medium type unknown (no disk)
wfd0: buggy Zip drive, 64-block transfer limit set
wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): <CRD-8160B/1.04>, removable, accel, dma, iordis
matcdc0 not found at 0x230
ie0: unknown board_id: f000
ie0 not found at 0x300
sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa
sb0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.16>
awe0 at 0x620 on isa
AWE32 not found
AWE32: not detected

sbxvi0 at 0x0 drq 5 on isa
sbxvi0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.16>
sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa
 <SoundBlaster MPU-401>
opl0 at 0x388 on isa
opl0: <Yamaha OPL-3 FM>
npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
changing root device to wd1s1a
Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted.

Also, I removed a 1 gig hard drive which contained a 10meg msdos
partition
and a 990 meg linux partition to free up a ide interface for the zip
drive.  Since
I was automounting both the msdos partition and the linux partition at
run
time I had to adjust the fstab file accordingly.

Anybody have any suggestions or ideas?
if so I would appreciate them greatly.

Thanks in advance

-Gk

p.s.  on a side note, I enjoyed the option in linux of being able to tab
through
my last cli commands using the up and down arrow keys, is there any way
to
achieve this in freebsd?




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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Mindy L Messenger wrote:

> 	I was wondering if it were possible for you to send me a list of
> all (or most) of your mailing lists and their addresses so that I may
> subscribe to any that spark my interest. Thanks much.
> 	
> 	Mindy Messenger
> 
I believe e-mailing majordomo@freebsd.org with

	lists

in the body of the message will give you what you want.

Alternatively, you can check the handbook at www.freebsd.org.
There's a section with descriptions of the lists in there.

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In-Reply-To: <19980719201020.A244@axess.com> from "Peter D. Pawelek" at "Jul 19, 98 08:10:20 pm"
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:14:06 -0400 (EDT)
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Peter D. Pawelek wrote:
> Quoting Micah Mayo (anxiety@primenet.com):
> > 
> > I've been able to compile KDE 1.0 Support, Libs, Base, Admin, Network, Utils,
> > and most of games(it hung on mygame.cpp or something, but the games work 
> > so I'm not incredibly concerned.. But, I did have some problems compiling the
> > multimedia and graphics packages these are the errors i got:
> 
> You may want to try using gmake to compile instead of the BSD make utility.
> I found that I was unable to compile the KDE-graphics package with make, 
> but it compiled flawlessly with gmake. A good rule of thumb when 'rolling
> your own' is to use gmake when the FreeBSD make pukes.
> 
> Of course, Your Mileage May Vary...  ;)

On Linux, a good rule of thumb is to use BSD make (called pmake there),
when gmake pukes. ;-)  The reason is that the two makes are relatively
incompatible (SysV vs. BSD again), the symptom is error messages about
the Makefile's syntax. (Gmake typically pukes on BSD-style .include
directives, if not earlier.)

The problem here seems to me to be that some of the KDE ports are not
properly demanding the SysV-style gmake.  I'd say to verify it, then
file a pr to ports.

Maybe ask of -ports what the "true and righteous" way of specifying
the "other" make for a subset of a port is.  AFAIK, the toplevel "port"
Makefile has to be in BSD syntax, since it includes <bsd.port.mk>.
(My guess is that it involves twiddling the MAKE environment variable).

Curious: the only port in 2.2.6-R that requires gmake to build is
pgp... and it doesn't use it! (It doesn't invoke gmake, just requires
it. Looks like an error.)

The news/diablo port uses xmake; see its Makefile for an example of
using a non-BSD make.

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hello everyone!

i just happened to finish CVSuping the /usr/src/sys of FreeBSD
2.2.6-stable. CVSuped /usr/src/lib for the stable libraries (and include
files). now, whenever i do 'config <MACHINE_CONFIG>', i get this message: 

	Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %VERSREQ=	220000

then, after doing 'make depend' in ../../compile/MACHINE_CONFIG, i get
this error after doing 'make all':

isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment
isa.o: More undefined symbol _isa_devtab_cam refs follow
	
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Any idea when KDE-1 will be available for -STABLE?

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On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 11:14:06PM -0400, CyberPeasant wrote:

> Maybe ask of -ports what the "true and righteous" way of specifying
> the "other" make for a subset of a port is.  AFAIK, the toplevel "port"
> Makefile has to be in BSD syntax, since it includes <bsd.port.mk>.
> (My guess is that it involves twiddling the MAKE environment variable).

The correct way is to add

USE_GMAKE=yes

to the port's Makefile.

The various variables of interest are documented at the top of
/usr/share/mk/bsd.port.mk.

> Curious: the only port in 2.2.6-R that requires gmake to build is
> pgp... and it doesn't use it! (It doesn't invoke gmake, just requires
> it. Looks like an error.)

Since you didn't know about USE_GMAKE, I have to assume that you are
using a wrong technique to determine which ports need gmake.

Admittedly, this is post-2.2.6, but:

flarn:~/FreeBSD/ports$ grep USE_GMAKE */*/Makefile | wc -l
     156

156 is considerably larger than 1. :-)

I do not know enough about PGP's build process to say offhand whether
the BUILD_DEPENDS is an error.  Note that USE_GMAKE is an automatic
dependency on gmake, just like USE_PERL5 requires, well, Perl 5.

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Matthew Hunt wrote
> On Sun, Jul 19, 1998 at 11:14:06PM -0400, CyberPeasant wrote:
> 
> > Maybe ask of -ports what the "true and righteous" way of specifying
> > the "other" make for a subset of a port is.  AFAIK, the toplevel "port"
> > Makefile has to be in BSD syntax, since it includes <bsd.port.mk>.
> > (My guess is that it involves twiddling the MAKE environment variable).
> 
> The correct way is to add
> 
> USE_GMAKE=yes
> 
> to the port's Makefile.

Ah, so. Thanks!

> The various variables of interest are documented at the top of
> /usr/share/mk/bsd.port.mk.
> 
> > Curious: the only port in 2.2.6-R that requires gmake to build is
> > pgp... and it doesn't use it! (It doesn't invoke gmake, just requires
> > it. Looks like an error.)
> 
> Since you didn't know about USE_GMAKE, I have to assume that you are
> using a wrong technique to determine which ports need gmake.

That's right. It was  find /usr/ports -name Makefile | xargs grep BUILD_DEPENDS 
	| grep make


> Admittedly, this is post-2.2.6, but:
> 
> flarn:~/FreeBSD/ports$ grep USE_GMAKE */*/Makefile | wc -l
>      156
> 
> 156 is considerably larger than 1. :-)

:)

> I do not know enough about PGP's build process to say offhand whether
> the BUILD_DEPENDS is an error.  Note that USE_GMAKE is an automatic
> dependency on gmake, just like USE_PERL5 requires, well, Perl 5.

I have gmake installed. I temporarily mv'd gmake to GNUMake or something
weird like that. Both US and non-US versions of pgp built successfully.

I should have known better -- I don't use pgp, and somehow gmake had
been installed. I assumed I had done it as a routine thing.

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Spidey wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I was happily fetching my mail with fetchmail today when I got that:
> beaupran@outpost [4:35pm] ~> fetchmail -v
> fetchmail: 4.3.8 querying 10.0.2.1 (protocol POP3) at Sun Jul 19 16:36:46
> 1998
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK slirp.popper (version 2.2-b5/1) at
> derby.jsp.umontreal.ca starting.  
> fetchmail: POP3> USER beaupran
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for beaupran.
> fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK beaupran has 1 message (641 octets).
> fetchmail: selecting or re-polling default folder
> fetchmail: POP3> STAT
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 641
> fetchmail: 1 message for beaupran at 10.0.2.1.
> fetchmail: POP3> LIST
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 messages (641 octets)
> fetchmail: POP3< 1 641
> fetchmail: POP3< .
> fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK 641 octets
> reading message 1 of 1 (641 bytes)
> fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed: Connection refused

Looks to me like sendmail on your host isn't running or is
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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Daniel Lee Greer wrote:

=> Hello, I have just recently installed FreeBSD 2.2.5 and am running X so
=> that I can use Netscape.  I am having a problem getting X to run in more
=> than just the standard 256 colors.  I have looked thruout the mailing
=> list archives, and it seems that the number one answer that everyone
=> seems to give is that you should invoke startx -- -bpp 16 (Or whatever)
=> to get that many bit planes.  I have also seen to edit the .xinitrc or
=> the .Xresources, or the XF86Config file.  I have tried all of these
=> unsucsessfully.  Now, it may be that netscape just wont work in more
=> than 256 colors but I find that hard to believe.  To give you a bit of
=> info, I am using a S3Virge 2 MEG video card running X in 1024X768 trying
=> to run it in 16BIT, as that is max with 2 MEGS of video RAM, I have set
=> my X program to execute /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3V I have tried with just
=> the XF86_S3 but I am unable to start the server.  I really would love to
=> figure this out, but I guess I am really missing something pretty
=> simple.  If there is someone out there that may be able to help me with
=> this issue, I would be very much indebted to them.  Oh, another thig, to
=> mention, I am running the mwm window manager.  

I don't use one myself although the docs for XFree are always quite
helpful.  It appears that you don't call 16bpp only 8, 15, 24, 32 when
using the XF86_SVGA server.

[ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/html/S3V_toc.html ]

1. Supported hardware 
     2. XF86_S3V server 
         2.1. Features: 
         2.2. Known limitations 
         2.3. Future Features (in order from highest to lowest priority) 
         2.4. Configuration: <== * Look Here ==<<<
              2.4.1. Cursor: 
     3. XF86_SVGA server 
         3.1. Features 
         3.2. Known limitations 
         3.3. Configuration  <== * Look Here ==<<<
         3.4. Hints for LCD configuration (S3 ViRGE/MX) 
     4. Authors 
         4.1. XF86_S3V server 
         4.2. XF86_SVGA ViRGE driver 
 
=> Thanks in advance.

I hope this helps.

=> Daniel Greer
=> greer@jabba.greerhome.louisville.ky.us
                              
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On Sunday, 19 July 1998 at 21:17:17 -0400, Daniel Lee Greer wrote:
> Hello, I have just recently installed FreeBSD 2.2.5 and am running X so
> that I can use Netscape.  I am having a problem getting X to run in more
> than just the standard 256 colors.  I have looked thruout the mailing
> list archives, and it seems that the number one answer that everyone
> seems to give is that you should invoke startx -- -bpp 16 (Or whatever)
> to get that many bit planes.  I have also seen to edit the .xinitrc or
> the .Xresources, or the XF86Config file.  I have tried all of these
> unsucsessfully.  Now, it may be that netscape just wont work in more
> than 256 colors but I find that hard to believe.  To give you a bit of
> info, I am using a S3Virge 2 MEG video card running X in 1024X768 trying
> to run it in 16BIT, as that is max with 2 MEGS of video RAM, I have set
> my X program to execute /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3V I have tried with just
> the XF86_S3 but I am unable to start the server.  I really would love to
> figure this out, but I guess I am really missing something pretty
> simple.  If there is someone out there that may be able to help me with
> this issue, I would be very much indebted to them.  Oh, another thig, to
> mention, I am running the mwm window manager.

First, you should take a look at the output of startx.  You'll have to
catch it somewhere like this:

  $ startx 2>&1 > /tmp/startx.log

You might find out what the problem is by reading that output.
Otherwise post it and I'll take a look.  You should also check that
your /etc/XF86Config file contains definitions for 16 bpp.  You should
have something like this:

Section "Screen"
    Driver      "accel"
    Device      "ATI Graphics Ultra Pro"
    Monitor     "My Monitor"
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes       "1024x768" "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes       "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes       "640x480" "800x600"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
        Modes       "640x480" "800x600"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
EndSection

Make sure that you have a Subsection with Depth 16.

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On Sunday, 19 July 1998 at 22:30:16 -0700, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Daniel Lee Greer wrote:
>
> => Hello, I have just recently installed FreeBSD 2.2.5 and am running X so
> => that I can use Netscape.  I am having a problem getting X to run in more
> => than just the standard 256 colors.  I have looked thruout the mailing
> => list archives, and it seems that the number one answer that everyone
> => seems to give is that you should invoke startx -- -bpp 16 (Or whatever)
> => to get that many bit planes.  I have also seen to edit the .xinitrc or
> => the .Xresources, or the XF86Config file.  I have tried all of these
> => unsucsessfully.  Now, it may be that netscape just wont work in more
> => than 256 colors but I find that hard to believe.  To give you a bit of
> => info, I am using a S3Virge 2 MEG video card running X in 1024X768 trying
> => to run it in 16BIT, as that is max with 2 MEGS of video RAM, I have set
> => my X program to execute /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3V I have tried with just
> => the XF86_S3 but I am unable to start the server.  I really would love to
> => figure this out, but I guess I am really missing something pretty
> => simple.  If there is someone out there that may be able to help me with
> => this issue, I would be very much indebted to them.  Oh, another thig, to
> => mention, I am running the mwm window manager.
>
> I don't use one myself although the docs for XFree are always quite
> helpful.  It appears that you don't call 16bpp only 8, 15, 24, 32 when
> using the XF86_SVGA server.

No, that's not generally correct.  Here's an output from another machine:

name of display:    unix:0.0
version number:    11.0
vendor string:    The XFree86 Project, Inc
vendor release number:    3320
maximum request size:  4194300 bytes
motion buffer size:  256
bitmap unit, bit order, padding:    32, LSBFirst, 32
image byte order:    LSBFirst
number of supported pixmap formats:    2
supported pixmap formats:
    depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32
    depth 16, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32

Theoretically you could be correct for this particular board, but in
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.S3V I see:

  The XF86_SVGA ViRGE driver supports all current flavors of the S3
  ViRGE chipset.  It uses the XAA acceleration architecture for
  acceleration, and allows color depths of 8, 15, 16, 24 and 32
  bpp. It has been tested on several 2MB and 4MB ViRGE cards, a 4MB
  ViRGE/DX card and a ViRGE/VX card. Resolutions of up to 1600x1200
  have been achieved. This is an early release of this driver, and not
  everything may work as expected. Please report any problems to
  XFree86@Xfree86.org using the appropriate bug report sheet.

Greg
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FreeBSD is a member of the UNIX family of operating systems. 
Historically, Unix came from Bell Labs, and the University of California
at Berkeley improved upon this (called BSD UNIX). Over time the
improvements added up to a complete replacement. When this happenned there
was no longer a need for the costly Bell-labs license. FreeBSD is one of 3
'cousins' who started off with that replacement, to produce a family of
FREE unix. Add to this the addopted sibling of Linux you have a family of 
full strength UNIX Operating Systems that can be run on PC hardware (or
others) for free, allowing people to experiment for themselves on
real OS's which are distributed with full source code.

FreeBSD is aimed at specifically PC hardware, with a high degree
of 'user friendliness in the install etc.
NetBSD is aimed at networks of varied hardware. It has concentrated on
portability issues and runs on many hardware varieties.
OpenBSD is derived from NetBSD and is concerned largely with security
issues.
Linux is a completely different animal that evolved in the same
ecological niche and therefore appears the same from the outside.

They all allow you to run full strength server applications on PC
hardware for free (or for the cost of a cdrom if you don't want to
download off the net).

Obviously I believe FreeBSD to be the best for my own uses.
as you can try them all for free, you could see which you prefer.

for more info check:
http://www.freebsd.org/

regards
julian
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Hi,

Need help with the following, please:

This is my configuration:

Terminated, 2G Western Digital Wide SCSI hard drive ( 16 bit), 
Terminated 12/20 Plexter CDROM ( 8 bit ) SCSI.
AHA-2940UW SCSI host adapter
Micron Millenia board.
Besided the controller card there is just the video 
card.

Sync and Disconnect are both disabled for all the 
devices in the SCSI chain ( hard drive, CDROM, 
and controller ). 
Mother Board BIOS: Phoenix v4.04
Host adapter BIOS: v1.32
PNP is disabled.

Partitions:
Primary active DOS partition: 250M win95
Rest: Unused.

I have a problem when booting FreeBSD with the 
install floppy: /RELEASE2.2.6/updates/boot.flp,
see below for boot dmesg output
By the way WIN95 runs fine, and had FreeBSD runing
when I used a buslogic controler on a regular SCSI
drive (  2G )

Have tried the following:
- Disconnecting the CDROM.
- Taking out the controller and booting untill 
  "No Operating System", then rebooting again.
- Moving the controller to different PCI slots.
- Sync, and disconnect enabled.
- Searching around for this problem on the net.

Below:
>> 
Mouse IRQ12: enabled
Interrupt Routing: A: disabled, B: disabled, C: IRQ15, D: IRQ11 MB0:
disabled, MB1: disabled
chip2 <Intel 83371FB IDE interface> rev 1 int a irq 11 on pci0:17:0
mapreg[10] type = 1 addr = 0000fc00 size = 0100
mapreg[14] type = 0 addr = f0dff000 size = 1000
reg16: ioaddr = 0xfc00 size 0x100
ahc0: reading SEEPROM ... done
internal 50 cable is present
internal 68 cable is present
brdctl == 0x2c
external cable not present
eprom is present
brdctl == 0xcc
low byte termination disabled, high byte termination enabled
ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id = 7, 116 SCBs
ahc0: Downloading Sequencer program ... ahc: 373 instructions downloaded
Done
ahc0: Probing channel A
ahc0: Waiting for scsi devices to settle
achc0: board is not responding
(ahc0:0:0): SCB 0x0 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x01 SCSISIGI ==
0x0
SEQADDR = 0x166 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x4 SSTAT1 = 0x8
(ahc0:0:0) Queueing an abort SCB ahc:0 board is not responding
cmd fail
(ahc0:0:0) SCB 0x1 timed out while recovery in progress
(ahc0:0:0) "Unknown unknown ????" type 13 fixed SCSI 0
uk0(ahc0:0:0): Unknown
ahc0: board is not responding
.....
<<

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robert t tan


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The first advice I have, is that if at all possible, use a SCSI based
device. THis is for several reasons. 
1/ they are in GENERAL more meant for professional use and often have
better standars of manufacture.
2/ a lot more testing goes into drivers for SCSI as that's what most of
the people use for important work..

the QIC stuff is old
the 'floppy tape' stuff is hard to keep reliable from a software point of
view as the hardware is not really designed to run in timesharing
environments.
the new ATAPI tapes are, well, new.
They haven't all worked out how to interpret the specs yet and our drivers
may not work with them all yet..
but if you use a SCSI device..

Everyone knows how to drive and manufacture a SCSI tape drive..
teh variables are less likely to bite you.

remember that with drives now in the 10s of GB, a 2GB tape drive is going
to be a liability pretty soon. 

maybe others can give more advice..


On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, John R Tucker wrote:

> I am an preparing to set up a system for shells and storage accounts. 
> Several other ISP's have reccomended yourselves and Redhat Linux. I am
> interested in the ease of setup and stability issues obviously since I
> will be the person onsite.

installation is pretty straight forward if you follow the documentation..
if you want first hand experience..
download the install floppy (yes, one floppy)
and boot a PC on it..
then read all the online docs.
if you don't do anything you can do this with your average window 95 PC
and unfortunatly not harm windows.. (i.e. the act of booting does not
touch the disk). The floppy knows how to download everything else needed
from a network connection or from a cdrom or from a ppp connection..

the floppy image is at ftp.freebsd.org
/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/floppies.

it's an IMAGE of a floppy so you don't just copy it to a dos floppy.

there are two tools in the 'tools' directory to write this image from a
dos aor windows machine..
rawrite.exe and fdimage.exe (hope the 2nd one is correct)
(apparently fdimage.exe is the prefered tool)

under unix use "dd"




>  A other individual has offered to perform
> the admin functions remotely.  Your section on tape drives (QIC)
> mentioned some of the different storage medias.  I have just downloaded
> the manual in work.
> 
> My questions are:
>     Can I use the newer 2G Colorado or Iomega Insiders with accelerator cards?
>     Can I schedule a nightly backup
>     Any user groups or newsgroups available
> 
> John Tucker
> Tucker Consulting
> tcs@mvn.net
> 
julian



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     Hi,
     
     You **MUST** update the "config" executable (/usr/sbin/config) 
     whenever you update the kernel sources.
     
        TfH


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Objet : Unknown % construct in generic makefile...
Auteur :  francis@cody.usls.edu
Date :    20/07/98 05:29


hello everyone!
     
i just happened to finish CVSuping the /usr/src/sys of FreeBSD 
2.2.6-stable. CVSuped /usr/src/lib for the stable libraries (and include 
files). now, whenever i do 'config <MACHINE_CONFIG>', i get this message: 
     
        Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %VERSREQ=      220000
     
then, after doing 'make depend' in ../../compile/MACHINE_CONFIG, i get 
this error after doing 'make all':
     
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment 
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment 
isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment 
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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, William Woods wrote:

> I understand the StarOffice 4.0sp3 does not work with FreeBSD. Can someone
> point me to somewhere that I can DL the StarOffice 4.0 that does wiork with
> FreeBSD?

***

Check mailing lists archives, there was a discussion about that lately.


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Hello,

I am currently looking at mother boards.  Most of the mother boards out
today (in the 233Mhz range) seem to use the 430TX chip set.  I have looked
at the FREE BSD Handbook on the FREE BSD web page and have searched the
newsgroups but I have not been able to find an answer.  The handbook talks
about 430FX and 430HX but not the 430TX.

Question: Are there any know problems with the 430TX chip set for use
with FREE BSD?

Thanks in advance,


Ray Finch
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[ moved to freebsd-hardware ]

My secret spy satellite informs me that on 20-Jul-98, Babylon (Ray) wrote:
> Question: Are there any know problems with the 430TX chip set for use
> with FREE BSD?

I am using a Tyan S1571S board, which is based on the 430TX, with both
FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE and 3.0-CURRENT.  It works fine.  If you have IDE
disks, 3.0-CURRENT will support the built-in Ultra DMA 33 support on the
430TX's IDE channels.

The only problem with the 430TX is that it WILL NOT cache memory above the
64 MB boundary.  Whether or not this will hurt your performance, really
depends on how you use your machine.  For me, I could care less.
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Hello,

Can VM system handle a large swap to ram ratio (say 10) situation well?

I am planning to add a second hard drive (either 10 or 13 Gb) to my home box.
Primary reason is to use it as a dump for the current 6.4 Gb drive,
and secondary reason is to add some more swap space -- currently
I have 64 Mb RAM and 138 Mb swap on a Pentium 233.

I am considering adding a fairly large swap space, say, around 500 Mb
or even higher.  This new swap space will make the swap to RAM ratio
10 instead of 2.  I expect much of swap will be taken up by lots of 
PostScript and PDF files that I keep opened for occasional references. 
Of course Netscape and Java will eat up the rest.  Unfortunately,
adding more RAM is not an option.  

If you have experience in having large swap space, please let me know.

Thanks,

	J Han	hjh@best.com


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I get an error msg like
param.c:82: 'TIMEZONE' undeclared here (not in a function)
param.c:82: initializer element for 'tz.tz_minutewest' is not constant

just to test i commented out that code but ran into other problems, so
it has to be some of my 2.2.2 packages... I'm fairly certain that i did
everything, but the portion of the manual mentioning a problem with the
config(8) didn't give step by step instructions on how to change it. I
tried to make but i'm not sure if I did that portion correctly.

I also attempted to just use a floppy to boot and ftp install, however
with my current ppp settings if I can dial out, then it can't resolve 
host and if I can resolve host I can't dial out.  I 'patched' this by 
using the -ddial option on startup however the boot.flp image doesn't 
support that workaround so my only method of installing packages is to
manually add_pkg ftp://  however I don't know which packages nor the
locations of the files to upgrade from 2.2.2-RELEASE to 2.2.6-RELEASE

If you have any solution, either the package locations I need, or a better
solution then please e-mail me.  I tried to follow the make world tutorial,
I ran into errors about 15 seconds into the compile,  also CVSup gives me
this error when i run it to get stable source. "/usr/libexec/ld.so warning:
/usr/lib/libc.so.3.0: minor version 0 older than expected 1, using it any-
ways"

Thanks.

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Hi, there!

I heard that someone somewhere ported Arcnet driver from Linux
but that work/project was not complete. Can you point me where should I
start to search from or should I port linux driver myself?

/fjoe

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My secret spy satellite informs me that on 20-Jul-98, Syaputra D wrote:
> I am recently a Windows users. I had made a proxy server base on Windows
> 95(I use Wingate). But I found that it has poor performace (to slow, 
> poor caching methode and unstable).
> I want to know if there is any proxy server software that can run under 
> FreeBSD ?. If there is one, please inform me. I like to change my OS to 
> FreeBSD to gain a better performace.
> Thanks....

Yes.  It's called Squid, and is available if you install the Ports
collection, in the directory /usr/ports/www/squid*.  Look in
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     Hi,
     
     The only known problem with the TX chipset is its inability to cahche 
     more than 64 Megabytes of memory. If you don't plan to use more than 
     64 Megs of RAM, the chipset runs fine.
     
        TfH


____________________________ Séparateur Réponse ________________________________
Objet : Mother Board Chip Set question
Auteur :  babylon@swcp.com
Date :    20/07/98 11:19


Hello,
     
I am currently looking at mother boards.  Most of the mother boards out 
today (in the 233Mhz range) seem to use the 430TX chip set.  I have looked 
at the FREE BSD Handbook on the FREE BSD web page and have searched the 
newsgroups but I have not been able to find an answer.  The handbook talks 
about 430FX and 430HX but not the 430TX.
     
Question: Are there any know problems with the 430TX chip set for use 
with FREE BSD?
     
Thanks in advance,
     
     
Ray Finch
Babylon Communications
     
     
     
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Quoting CyberPeasant (djv@bedford.net):
> Peter D. Pawelek wrote:
> > Quoting Micah Mayo (anxiety@primenet.com):
> > > 
> > > I've been able to compile KDE 1.0 Support, Libs, Base, Admin, Network, Utils,
> > > and most of games(it hung on mygame.cpp or something, but the games work 
> > > so I'm not incredibly concerned.. But, I did have some problems compiling the
> > > multimedia and graphics packages these are the errors i got:
> > 
> > You may want to try using gmake to compile instead of the BSD make utility.
> > I found that I was unable to compile the KDE-graphics package with make, 
> > but it compiled flawlessly with gmake. A good rule of thumb when 'rolling
> > your own' is to use gmake when the FreeBSD make pukes.
> > 
> > Of course, Your Mileage May Vary...  ;)
> 
> On Linux, a good rule of thumb is to use BSD make (called pmake there),
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> incompatible (SysV vs. BSD again), the symptom is error messages about
> the Makefile's syntax. (Gmake typically pukes on BSD-style .include
> directives, if not earlier.)
> 
> The problem here seems to me to be that some of the KDE ports are not
> properly demanding the SysV-style gmake.  I'd say to verify it, then
> file a pr to ports.
> 
> Maybe ask of -ports what the "true and righteous" way of specifying
> the "other" make for a subset of a port is.  AFAIK, the toplevel "port"
> Makefile has to be in BSD syntax, since it includes <bsd.port.mk>.
> (My guess is that it involves twiddling the MAKE environment variable).
> 
> Curious: the only port in 2.2.6-R that requires gmake to build is
> pgp... and it doesn't use it! (It doesn't invoke gmake, just requires
> it. Looks like an error.)

Ah, that would be a concern if I was building the port, but I was actually
compiling KDE source directly from kde.org...I usually don't resort to  
ports unless absolutely necessary (ie. being a control freak and all that.. ;).


Cheers!

Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com)



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I'm really sorry but I can't launch anything applications after my X
server is up.
I can't launch this one with XINIT but just with XF86_SVGA and no
package mount.
I've just a grey screen and my mouse...
Please help me.

Thanks a lot,

Simon


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Hi everybody!

I have a:
CPU: Pentium (167.05-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x543  Stepping=3
  Features=0x8001bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX>
real memory  = 33554432 (32768K bytes)
avail memory = 30969856 (30244K bytes)

Now it is clearly mentionned there that I have 32Mb of ram or so...

why is top giving me this:
last pid:  1575;  load averages:  1.28,  1.24,  1.16            09:28:42
37 processes:  2 running, 35 sleeping
CPU states: 16.2% user,  0.0% nice, 32.7% system,  1.1% interrupt, 50.0% idle
Mem: 13M Active, 3448K Inact, 8376K Wired, 4460K Cache, 3570K Buf, 1784K Free
Swap: 74M Total, 37M Used, 37M Free, 50% Inuse

i got alomost 16Mb of provesses going on here, why is my swap space used
at 37Mb???

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I downloaded it at ftp://ftp.webster.edu/pub/unix/staroffice/

Ben

On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, William Woods wrote:

> I understand the StarOffice 4.0sp3 does not work with FreeBSD. Can someone
> point me to somewhere that I can DL the StarOffice 4.0 that does wiork with
> FreeBSD?
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Hi,

When I run X98Setup, it tells me to wait while it switched to graphics
mode, but it freezes and I have to reboot.


There are no error messages, nothing. How can I figure out what's wrong?

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Roman
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I currently have a 400 meg swap with 128 megs ram and have had no problems.
The servers which I work with have the swap ranging from 200 - 600 megs, and
no problems with any of them.  I cannot see any reason why there would ever
be a problem with the size of the swap.

That ratio is just there to give a suggested size of what you might need, I
don't think it has anything to do with "I cannot handle more than 2xram"

Mark Dickey
mark@bestweb.net




-----Original Message-----
From: J. Han <hjh@best.com>
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 2:32 AM
Subject: large swap to ram ratio


>Hello,
>
>Can VM system handle a large swap to ram ratio (say 10) situation well?
>
>I am planning to add a second hard drive (either 10 or 13 Gb) to my home
box.
>Primary reason is to use it as a dump for the current 6.4 Gb drive,
>and secondary reason is to add some more swap space -- currently
>I have 64 Mb RAM and 138 Mb swap on a Pentium 233.
>
>I am considering adding a fairly large swap space, say, around 500 Mb
>or even higher.  This new swap space will make the swap to RAM ratio
>10 instead of 2.  I expect much of swap will be taken up by lots of
>PostScript and PDF files that I keep opened for occasional references.
>Of course Netscape and Java will eat up the rest.  Unfortunately,
>adding more RAM is not an option.
>
>If you have experience in having large swap space, please let me know.
>
>Thanks,
>
> J Han hjh@best.com
>
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To: "robert t tan" <rotan@cs.pdx.edu>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject: Re: AHA-2940UW
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:19:31 -0400
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I expect you have already tried this, but the terminated carries over to the
second cable (I think), so if the last item on the first cable it
terminated...

Also, while it is booting, you should be able to go into a scsi admin thing
(before it starts booting an OS).  Does everything show up properly in
there?

Mark Dickey
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-----Original Message-----
From: robert t tan <rotan@cs.pdx.edu>
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: AHA-2940UW


>Hi,
>
>Need help with the following, please:
>
>This is my configuration:
>
>Terminated, 2G Western Digital Wide SCSI hard drive ( 16 bit),
>Terminated 12/20 Plexter CDROM ( 8 bit ) SCSI.
>AHA-2940UW SCSI host adapter
>Micron Millenia board.
>Besided the controller card there is just the video
>card.
>
>Sync and Disconnect are both disabled for all the
>devices in the SCSI chain ( hard drive, CDROM,
>and controller ).
>Mother Board BIOS: Phoenix v4.04
>Host adapter BIOS: v1.32
>PNP is disabled.
>
>Partitions:
>Primary active DOS partition: 250M win95
>Rest: Unused.
>
>I have a problem when booting FreeBSD with the
>install floppy: /RELEASE2.2.6/updates/boot.flp,
>see below for boot dmesg output
>By the way WIN95 runs fine, and had FreeBSD runing
>when I used a buslogic controler on a regular SCSI
>drive (  2G )
>
>Have tried the following:
>- Disconnecting the CDROM.
>- Taking out the controller and booting untill
>  "No Operating System", then rebooting again.
>- Moving the controller to different PCI slots.
>- Sync, and disconnect enabled.
>- Searching around for this problem on the net.
>
>Below:
>>>
>Mouse IRQ12: enabled
>Interrupt Routing: A: disabled, B: disabled, C: IRQ15, D: IRQ11 MB0:
>disabled, MB1: disabled
>chip2 <Intel 83371FB IDE interface> rev 1 int a irq 11 on pci0:17:0
>mapreg[10] type = 1 addr = 0000fc00 size = 0100
>mapreg[14] type = 0 addr = f0dff000 size = 1000
>reg16: ioaddr = 0xfc00 size 0x100
>ahc0: reading SEEPROM ... done
>internal 50 cable is present
>internal 68 cable is present
>brdctl == 0x2c
>external cable not present
>eprom is present
>brdctl == 0xcc
>low byte termination disabled, high byte termination enabled
>ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id = 7, 116 SCBs
>ahc0: Downloading Sequencer program ... ahc: 373 instructions downloaded
>Done
>ahc0: Probing channel A
>ahc0: Waiting for scsi devices to settle
>achc0: board is not responding
>(ahc0:0:0): SCB 0x0 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x01 SCSISIGI ==
>0x0
>SEQADDR = 0x166 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x4 SSTAT1 = 0x8
>(ahc0:0:0) Queueing an abort SCB ahc:0 board is not responding
>cmd fail
>(ahc0:0:0) SCB 0x1 timed out while recovery in progress
>(ahc0:0:0) "Unknown unknown ????" type 13 fixed SCSI 0
>uk0(ahc0:0:0): Unknown
>ahc0: board is not responding
>.....
><<
>
>Thanks,
>
>robert t tan
>
>
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The program squid is extremely good.  You can install it through the ports
collection, and it shouldn't be very hard for you to set up.  We currently
have a dedicated machine running as proxy, and we have had no problems.  I
think it is the fastest one you can get, or at least the best.  (This is
since just about everyone uses it!  :-)  )

Mark Dickey
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-----Original Message-----
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To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 3:14 AM
Subject: Proxy Server


>I am recently a Windows users. I had made a proxy server base on Windows
>95(I use Wingate). But I found that it has poor performace (to slow,
>poor caching methode and unstable).
>I want to know if there is any proxy server software that can run under
>FreeBSD ?. If there is one, please inform me. I like to change my OS to
>FreeBSD to gain a better performace.
>Thanks....
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EHELO, 

	I recieved some rather disturbing errors from my machine this
morning which I have dumped into a file and attached to this message,
these errors I have never seen before so I am alarmed.  Would someone
please take a look at them and see if they recognize them...

Thank you much in advance.

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Ok, I'm not sure if I'm just crazy but:

If you have a total of 32 megs of ram and
13 megs are active
3 megs are inactive
8 megs are wired
4 megs are cached
1 meg is free

This equals:

+32
-13
-03
-08
-04
-01
-----

+03

FreeBSD, I think, is pretty smart,
so instead of using all the RAM,
it leaves some free and takes swap instead.

If it is still like this, do a top and give us the complete output, that way
we can see if the numbers seem reasonable to what is running.  If a backup
script or something like that is running, it could easily take a lot of
memory (This depends on how it does what :-)  )

Mark Dickey
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Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 5:37 AM
Subject: Mysterious Top output


>Hi everybody!
>
>I have a:
>CPU: Pentium (167.05-MHz 586-class CPU)
>  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x543  Stepping=3
>  Features=0x8001bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX>
>real memory  = 33554432 (32768K bytes)
>avail memory = 30969856 (30244K bytes)
>
>Now it is clearly mentionned there that I have 32Mb of ram or so...
>
>why is top giving me this:
>last pid:  1575;  load averages:  1.28,  1.24,  1.16            09:28:42
>37 processes:  2 running, 35 sleeping
>CPU states: 16.2% user,  0.0% nice, 32.7% system,  1.1% interrupt, 50.0%
idle
>Mem: 13M Active, 3448K Inact, 8376K Wired, 4460K Cache, 3570K Buf, 1784K
Free
>Swap: 74M Total, 37M Used, 37M Free, 50% Inuse
>
>i got alomost 16Mb of provesses going on here, why is my swap space used
>at 37Mb???
>
>How 'bout a little ride through your own world?
>http://www.JSP.UMontreal.CA/~beaupran/
>
>Spidey
>
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In the last episode (Jul 20), THIERRY.HERBELOT@telspace.alcatel.fr said:
>> hello everyone!
>>      
>> i just happened to finish CVSuping the /usr/src/sys of FreeBSD 
>> 2.2.6-stable. CVSuped /usr/src/lib for the stable libraries (and include 
>> files). now, whenever i do 'config <MACHINE_CONFIG>', i get this message: 
>>      
>>         Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %VERSREQ=      220000
>>      
>> then, after doing 'make depend' in ../../compile/MACHINE_CONFIG, i get 
>> this error after doing 'make all':
>>      
>> isa.o: Undefined symbol `_isa_devtab_cam' referenced from text segment 
>> isa.o: More undefined symbol _isa_devtab_cam refs follow
>      
>      Hi,
>      
>      You **MUST** update the "config" executable (/usr/sbin/config) 
>      whenever you update the kernel sources.

well, not MUST exactly.  Only sometimes.  Code has been added to 
/usr/sbin/config and the kernel so that you get a warning if you try
and run an old config on new kernel sources.

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Hi, folks!
	A strange thing happened to my communicator 4.04. I was playing with
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went back to my big system to log onto my provider, I couldn't get
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> On Sunday, 19 July 1998 at 21:17:17 -0400, Daniel Lee Greer wrote:
> > Hello, I have just recently installed FreeBSD 2.2.5 and am running X so
> > that I can use Netscape.  I am having a problem getting X to run in more
> > than just the standard 256 colors.  I have looked thruout the mailing
> > list archives, and it seems that the number one answer that everyone
> > seems to give is that you should invoke startx -- -bpp 16 (Or whatever)
> > to get that many bit planes. ...
> 
> First, you should take a look at the output of startx.  You'll have to
> catch it somewhere like this:
> 
>   $ startx 2>&1 > /tmp/startx.log
> 
> You might find out what the problem is by reading that output.
> Otherwise post it and I'll take a look.  You should also check that
> your /etc/XF86Config file contains definitions for 16 bpp.  You should
> have something like this:
> 
> ...

You should also be aware that due to the generally brain-dead design
of X11 color handling, the individual programs must also explicitly
support your chosen color depth.  Most X programs seem to support 8bpp.
Some also support 24bpp.  A few support 15, 16, and/or 32 bpp.

Usually the server will support 8bpp visuals when the default is a
higher number; so it is quite possible that even if you have XFree86
configured to default to 16bpp, Netscape will still display using
only 8bpp.  (Remember, the basic Netscape Unix code was designed for
use on workstations.  They generally jump from 8bpp directly to 24 or
32 bpp; 15 and 16 bpp framebuffers are very rare in that environment.)



-Pat

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Hello everybody!
Hope you are able to help me with a problem I have.

A week ago I have installed an Aironet's product called
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