Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:06:15 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Erich Dollansky" <oceanare@pacific.net.sg> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Fafa Hafiz Krantz <fteg@london.com>, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Explaining FreeBSD features Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNAEMPFBAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <42BA2E0D.2090001@pacific.net.sg>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:oceanare@pacific.net.sg] >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:36 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; questions@freebsd.org; advocacy@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features > > >Hi, > >Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >>>I do not think that it the design of Windows which makes it target. It >>>is the kind of support people with no knowledge get which makes it. >> >> >> People pay for Windows, not for FreeBSD. The support structures are >> totally different because of this. If support is what hinges >on getting > >I am not talking of the support people get by paying for it. Just go to >any support forum, mailing list or what ever name it has and >compare the >tone used there. > >The support is done by volunteers just like here. > >While people asking 'dumb' questions around FreeBSD just get a RTFM >while the same question around Windows might gives them a lot of verbal >abuse plus the answer. If a person wastes its time to write 'RTFM', the >same person could also write 'RTFM at page xx' and the answer is useful. > Tone is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, posts all contain a tone to them. But very little posted on this mailing list has been anywhere near as harsh as what you see sometimes on Usenet in the FreeBSD groups there. And I can tell you that absolutely nothing that I have EVER read here or on USENET has EVER held a candle to the power and majesty of the flames I used to read a decade ago the old WWIV network. (that software is available http://wwiv.sourceforge.net/ if you are interested) If you are put off by the tone of what you see here, you would become catatonic if you read 5 minutes of that. Those flamers were so good that they could cause temporary blindness to their victims. >> Bringing a large number of ignoramuses on board who are dedicated to >> continuing to be ignoramuses, does not help the FreeBSD project at >> all. It may help some people making money off servicing those people, >> but otherwise they are deadweight. >> >Then, never complain that FreeBSD does not reach a higher market share. > _I_ don't. Who does? > >I have to take my neighbour with her Ph.D. in biology again. We can >assume she has proven not to be a plain idiot. She got some of >the book, >looked at them for some days and said 'why should I study IT before I >can use FreeBSD'. > Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a drivers license? >> >> I can only ask why do you bother to garden in the first >place? Without >> that background, you don't know why the pesticide that she recommends >> works. And next season if it doesen't work, you don't know >why either. >> >I hope you never fall sick or have to undergo a serious >surgery. I've undergone far more serious surgery than you ever have, I'll wager. Try tumor removal. Where the tumor is next to your spine. You know, there's a few things in the way - like the small intestine. You wanna know what they do with that when they have to get at tumors at that location? I'll give you a hint - you don't get solid food for half a week at least before that operation, and your on an IV only, no drinking, for a day beforehand. > As long >as you do not understand how the whole procedure works, the doctor will >not be able to treat you. > That is correct. I don't allow someone to cut into my body until they have carefully explained how the whole procedure works and I understand it. I'm surprised you do. >> >> Honestly, before you knock it, you should try to understand >how the world >> works sometime. It's really a better way to live. Do you >really want to > >Let me put it this way. A long time ago, we call it now stone age, the >people started to realise that a group of people shows better >results if >they specialise. The people better in hunting went hunting, the people >better in 'farming'. Despite one group did not know how the other group >got their kind of food, they shared it. > And how exactly did they find out from the group of kids growing up each year which ones were better farmers and which ones were better hunters? At one point, the kids knew how to do both. You see, the stone age people understood that just because you had specialization, didn't mean that learning about someone else's specialty was a bad thing. After all, that other specialist might get et by a tiger, one day, and have to be replaced. That worked real well until the religious bigots came along and started enforcing stuff like the caste system, and forcing kids into the same jobs that their fathers, and father's fathers, and so on forever and ever, had held. That's when it became OK for everyone to be completely ignorant of how to do anyone elses' job but what their caste had always done. Ted
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