Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:09:09 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> To: Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@iet.unipi.it> Cc: FreeBSD Net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: netmap and other discussions on freebsd-net: please be open minded. Message-ID: <20140723040909.GJ43962@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2BhQ2%2BibVP7O5SAK8RM-q3Rb4pxOUGpAHBtC1NFO=DT98CaErg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPBAu3XmVwU8PnHT=WRNtTrpk1D01eeu_%2B3ZRpZ5Snv0c2h5mA@mail.gmail.com> <201405181223.s4ICNTAf097378@fire.js.berklix.net> <20140518230242.GA28117@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <CAJ-VmokEQavV33LDQegxQkNhiNcfnvnMRk0P2eB2eQ04QsihjQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2BhQ2%2BibVP7O5SAK8RM-q3Rb4pxOUGpAHBtC1NFO=DT98CaErg@mail.gmail.com>
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Luigi Rizzo wrote this message on Mon, May 19, 2014 at 04:28 -0400:
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> > Is there a netmap list that these questions (regardless of OS) could go to?
>
> ???no there isn't one. At the moment there isn't enough traffic
> to suggest that, and creating one is likely to generate
> traffic to both the specific list and freebsd-net.
What volume of traffic do you think is acceptable for creating a
seperate list?
The last few months I believe that there is enough traffic to justify
a seperate list... and too often the questions are not at all useful
to the FreeBSD community... If they were, I'd be more willing to
tolerate their presence, but mostly they are, I'm running Linux and
I can't be bothered to read the docs or try to figure things ous, can
you set this up for me? type emails...
> Note, the problem is not only for netmap: we have ipfw+dummynet
> which is already cross platform, and as we bring pieces of the kernel
> to userspace (see??? e.g. the various efforts related to bringing
> up the network stack) we lose the tight bind to the os.
Then maybe we need to create a special list for cross platform
projects or something, but I don't notice any traffic wrt to ipfw
or dummynet on -net...
> > On 18 May 2014 16:02, Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@iet.unipi.it> wrote:
> > > Folks, i have two requests for you:
> > >
> > > 1. please do not complain about questions on this list related
> > > to a core network-related FreeBSD subsystem (netmap, dummynet,
> > > netgraph, tcp stack...) even if they are concerned with ports
> > > to Linux or other OSes or to userspace.
> > >
> > > At least in principle, these topics _are_ relevant here precisely
> > > because they relate to code whose main home is in the FreeBSD
> > > source tree, and bugs or feature suggestions etc that may emerge
> > > will directly benefit FreeBSD.
> > >
> > > 2. on the other hand, it would be good if people could avoid questions
> > like
> > > "give me step by step instructions on how to install/run/use X".
> > > There are notes in README and Makefiles, something on the
> > > web pages, and quick web searches should point you to previous
> > > mailing list discussions on the same topic _before asking_.
> > >
> > > So in the specific case below i can understand a reply (perhaps a
> > > private one) saying "have you done your homework (read documentation,
> > > do a web search) ?", but "we only do FreeBSD here" does not sound
> > > right to me.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > luigi
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 02:23:29PM +0200, XXX wrote:
> > >> > I am using Fedora 18 with Intel 82599 NIC.
> > >> .............^^^^^^^^^
> > >>
> > >> Ask on a Linux/Fedora list then. This is a FreeBSD list.
> > >>
> > >> > I am new to netmap and want to experiment with it in the above
> > environment.
> > >> > Can somebody please advise what is the easiest way to go about the
> > above
> > >> > (installation etc.) so that I can concentrate on writing the userspace
> > >> > programs using netmap quickly.
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