Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:08:17 -0800 From: "K. Macy" <kmacy@freebsd.org> To: freebsd.arch@clogic.com.ua Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? Message-ID: <CAHM0Q_P%2BShCoZby2SeXTCzzzBwHG7DCL_nrU4e2epvg2LuAW5g@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <b9d170413513c0dc365e545fbd4e7009@clogic.com.ua> References: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> <tkrat.f954a4373601db49@FreeBSD.org> <0f11ca9a-c28f-6667-9509-11a1ba05ff98@freebsd.org> <98201b70579455dfa4fa58aebd3181b3@clogic.com.ua> <201712101331.vBADVcxH078614@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> <b9d170413513c0dc365e545fbd4e7009@clogic.com.ua>
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On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:27 AM, <freebsd.arch@clogic.com.ua> wrote: > On 2017-12-10 15:31, Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: >> >> freebsd.arch@clogic.com.ua wrote: >> >>> Most users don't need a sandmail in base. As example, I always disable >>> sendmail and install dma for local use or postfix for mail servers. So I >>> can't understand, why I need do this every time as I install new >>> instance of FreeBSD in 2017? >> >> >> There are many valid arguments for and against removal, but I'm afraid >> that isn't one of them. That's not really the question. The question is "why won't 'pkg install sendmail' work for users that need it?" There are two technical reasons for why a component is in base and two emotional / political. The two technical reasons are: 1) The system won't work without it (e.g. rc files, kill, rm, etc) 2) The component is tightly coupled to the kernel (e.g. bhyve) There are of course plenty of things which fall in to both buckets: libc, ifconfig, etc. The two emotional reasons are: 1) Emotional attachment (e.g. fortune) 2) Inertia (rcs, sendmail, etc) Thanks to bapt and friends pkg "just works" for most people for most cases. In conclusion, further discussion needs to either a) make a compelling case for why either my technical points are insufficient or the emotional drivers are critical; or b) explain why "pkg install sendmail" won't work. Cheers. -M
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