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sa06 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Combo: ;freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Timing: total 307 ms - load_scoreonly_sql: 0.03 (0.0%), signal_user_changed: 2.4 (0.8%), b_tie_ro: 1.68 (0.5%), parse: 1.07 (0.3%), extract_message_metadata: 22 (7.3%), get_uri_detail_list: 2.8 (0.9%), tests_pri_-1000: 9 (2.8%), tests_pri_-950: 1.15 (0.4%), tests_pri_-900: 1.05 (0.3%), tests_pri_-400: 27 (8.6%), check_bayes: 26 (8.3%), b_tokenize: 9 (3.0%), b_tok_get_all: 9 (2.8%), b_comp_prob: 2.4 (0.8%), b_tok_touch_all: 3.3 (1.1%), b_finish: 0.68 (0.2%), tests_pri_0: 236 (76.9%), check_dkim_signature: 0.56 (0.2%), check_dkim_adsp: 2.6 (0.8%), tests_pri_500: 4.7 (1.5%), rewrite_mail: 0.00 (0.0%) Subject: upgrade of firefox from v54 to v59 hosed up X-Spam-Flag: No X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Thu, 05 May 2016 13:38:54 -0600) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on in01.mta.xmission.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:17:44 -0000 First off=C2=A0 the system is: FreeBSD fbsd11rd3 11.1-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p9 #0: Tue Apr=C2=A0= 3 16:59:16 UTC 2018=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC=C2=A0 amd64=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 running UFS on partition 3 of 4 of a 1TB HD= =2E on an ASUS=C2=A0 intel i3 motherboard. Two days ago=C2=A0 I upgraded Firefox from v54 to v59 In the process pkg also hosed up qt5, stripped many of my other apps like telegram & quassel ( which is dependant on qt5), qtcreator, and others=C2=A0 I havent tried yet. now Firefox will load many of the URL's = that it did before=C2=A0 but several=C2=A0 it wont.top among them being facebo= ok and the list of search engines in=C2=A0 the search bar:=C2=A0 Google, duck du= ck go, bing, amazon etc.=C2=A0 In all of these cases the error I get now is: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Error code: NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_= SECURITY Immediately after the update, firefox reported=C2=A0 that an SQLite lib h= ad not installed correctly, so I reinstalled that. The update also updated Seamonkey and it reports=C2=A0 the same error. Among sites not similarly rejected are TI.com piratebay ( which I tried out of curiosity), amsat.org and several others. I cannot explain=C2=A0 t= his nor why even after re-installing, quassel, and telegram-desktop appear to be starting but soon die. =C2=A0This is not the first time such an update has wiped out other apps,= it happened while the system was 11.0 also, but that was months ago and, fortunatly, I dont remember mucvh of the details. I can see where this might appear as at least 2 independent problems, but I dont believe it is. --=20 Gary Corell Ya gotta think time beyond the end of your nose. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 03:30:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FB3FC2C7D for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39F5876869 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Q4aQ2M+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=Kd1tUaAdevIA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=ReErAMhX74S8-RwR_IIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received-SPF: softfail (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: transitional domain rcn.com does not designate 209.6.230.48 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:17565] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 62/58-13976-E9735EA5; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:10:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23269.14234.208378.366019@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:10:18 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: "Mo.Keef" Cc: "freebsd-questions\@FreeBSD.org" Subject: How can I help FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 25.3.1 (amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:30:29 -0000 Mo.Keef via freebsd-questions writes: > I really want to help. Unfortunately all I can do now is learning more. A good way to do that, while contributing to the project, is to work on the documentation. Specifically, look for open bugs where people complain the documentation is outdated or does not correctly describe actual behaviour. Develop a patch. Submit it for review. Get it committed. In the process, meet knowledgable people and ask them incisive questions. :-) > (Hopefully a future developer). We can always use more. Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 07:38:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37355FC8D85 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 07:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sj126@uranus.uni-freiburg.de) Received: from mailgateway2.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway2.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.2.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B794668D69 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 07:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sj126@uranus.uni-freiburg.de) Delivery-date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:38:07 +0200 Received: from fe1.uni-freiburg.de ([132.230.2.221] helo=uni-freiburg.de) port 57198 by mailgateway2.uni-freiburg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1 #2 built 16-Feb-2018 16:47:02 running on Gentoo) id 1fCguL-0000oe-Uk; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:38:06 +0200 Received: from [10.4.25.100] (account schreck.julian@uranus.uni-freiburg.de) by uranus.uni-freiburg.de (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 6.2.3) with HTTP id 2642305; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:38:05 +0200 From: sj126@uranus.uni-freiburg.de Subject: Re: Dual Boot with GRUB next to GNU/Linux "Debian" To: =?utf-8?B?S3Jpc3RhcHMgxIxpdmt1bGlz?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v6.2.3 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:38:05 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 07:38:08 -0000 Thanks for the fast reply :-) Just to get it unambiguous: Is the "FreeBSD pre-partition" an unallocated space or an empty partition, which is unmounted or ... ? Btw, does the unallocated space physically need to be at a stretch? (How) Does the partition manager arrange the physical position of partitions? As (nearly) always in the world of Free Software, I can (successfully) use whichever partition manager I want for this, can't I? Or is efibootmgr more suitable for this task? -- > Hi, > > If you use UEFI, you can do it automatically and almost without > touching your current partitions. Just create new empty partition and > let FreeBSD installer use that partition to automatically divide it > into smaller ones (new EFI partition, root partition and swap). Then > in Linux add new boot entry with efibootmgr so that you can boot into > FreeBSD through UEFI boot menu. -- https://omnibus.uni-freiburg.de/~sj126 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 08:26:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD1BFA632C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:26:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7770574469 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:26:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LvNjj-1eDLfA2TlT-010gQS; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:26:15 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:26:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Mo.Keef" Cc: "Mo.Keef via freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: How can I help FreeBSD? Message-Id: <20180429102615.6e234800.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qPSDsHprcMSDfyGnhQnyvW2FvgLnm3/AkJk39ILgl2b8hGZQI4z GtlRnr7WoY1qFIrqoQOOMlSi0VUVGz+lLCz38aNjVbTmgiwyEiiUz+8i4VFkSdVz7fVI9tj nvDQqkYVWJdjb/3GKwz3tHI7QqYFsshl69Esmngg3h51zUeib5/EFURJ8klZOLp3riY+WnH 2Nfx8zvirYmLsz6KTv8+A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:M+bknoMhmWA=:r4u+BGUpjqUFx0gbBVIbIw TTLH8CMWAJU3SBuh2yLYf6CaQvJXSM/z42a7abLNxWC9MKXxnl+Y8vgICUUqRTekj2NiK9uBD DCakGCMGJAS15vZtsSHs/QG4jTUVjcwNUo8I8ZQ9l63F1IRrOgcB2c57EHIp+gVl7ePsT9sCH lNboJ5dkjc+dgkZRynxHVKbo82dHvpxO0/uzR0prB1nHM60hSxNQNfGoNyZQgV1otpKxxhaF3 maEbQkiOehOIacNxpj6kjMkbr+xDg/cToKxRnS/5nZzFbena304BVfIQhmiUpuq5yCRTNhVeQ cwWGiQeNjdK07aeNGcGs5E1VdaQHuE8Wr15JupvBh3EExlOLMJJTILTTmfrMOzQ9P5vYOjrOB Ab23D0rKESFRf5/rcPKnj41BrWau0fV2BF8l4bg1yzi/WcqQxPYmPKZBFmNISoR6HfMgXSG8D s8KIM7zlqxXF+4udu2SVJ9kYoiuhtl14DAvnBcby9G2s510fNR7p6hzTpWHpBhX1pydcwWGBw +zHrSFgyqME4holog4tDCvHuMPCK5kt2xRsP/egzRln72Cp8TvC+VfmzoPrL9f6EM8YkxdMhC UHIGWUbXJbZwI5b2cd9yl7816tRaEkf7DIYmxtk7+mzupjMpy1/b8DtTQrvO/3jD22XswLKuP j8XOOtFWPf9yDIjC/7VyFQGO4WLe0Ij31qISItS33YaE7OuWa8+uFiTiKI1PbfNtBnVwiElkf J+1q9rjIQjFUqRk1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:26:25 -0000 On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 21:55:42 -0400, Mo.Keef via freebsd-questions wrote: > I also researched a little bit about the main differences between > kFreeBSD and Linux in general, and two of the things that attracted > me were a more mature code base, and the amount of documentation. It's not just about the amount, but also about the quality and the accessibility of documentation where FreeBSD (and the BSDs in general) are often considered superior to Linux (which, to be fair, has a different approach to documentation, which is fully valid for how they do things over there). > I'm yet to become a decent programmer in general, yet to develop > code for Operating systems.. but nevertheless I'm willing to study > and learn more.. I disparately want to contribute and help the > project, and be able to fight back (with patches and code) those > who say that the BSDs are dying.. The BSDs aren't dying. In fact, they are quite alive, and they keep the whole Internet running. :-) > I really want to help. Unfortunately all I can do now is learning more. > If possible, can you please give me a list of headings for topics that > I will need to understand in order to start reading the code base, and > enjoy its elegance? A fundamental understanding of C, maybe Assembly, make, and of course sh shell script should be established. The TOC of the FreeBSD handbook (accompanied by the FAQ) should give you a good overview of how everything is structured and how the parts fit into each other. The codebase reflects the logical structure of the operating system's concepts, so you'll be able to easily locate what particular part you are interested in. Also check the "intro" manpages for the sections, and of course things like "man 8 boot". Remember that there is a manpage for almost everything in the system, so if you stumble upon something you don't know yet, ask man about it. Web resources: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 08:46:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F17BFA6995 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07916775D7 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LiscI-1ef1eU40uU-00dEfa; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:46:29 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:46:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: sj126@uranus.uni-freiburg.de Cc: Kristaps =?UTF-8?Q?=C4=8Civkulis?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual Boot with GRUB next to GNU/Linux "Debian" Message-Id: <20180429104628.2cc3c81f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wpAj0EoYl10jKh53+JSm8t6DyeqL6Fu3dM7t/NBiFj3JeR9S5xq uma2NVLRKucJVqcIvMR4woD/W4XqS6QIzTFJsVUmNGsf+LRcZ1bt+ju/4ZyKATklTdJgD0o xjmIqYgAsleeKY45EjsR5K2eiJedVESlB/QT2ujKuXlb1oPt6Kn6qzF74o/cueCqWRVUNII XRWhGJZ2SV9AWczEDDbqA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:F5tYZyY484I=:1RyZjW0ZHHITkfdzjIWfyM WibokA3Ii78mF+fvnezsUV07z3CbuiLkszf8JS0ewtxTHmZKlqsBsgiFh1MAv8q7TPYTgDbyb h2TgTX0I39ENt0b8ExAmXWNfZZCAd4BbhDEJuEclTDlQRXoDSb0RBesYnfgnSVb5HxIqhedA0 mARr196RftJc7H3Bg00AQ0cDCw1nLfx1S3yv3c4VYub2Mq/BRsaXfpWAepPOSE4CLPwOH5F+a XoKszKPsh7EOSKI//mlILCzncxWmiwlpaSWLYRsWrwViIEnhoc+Pe3CFKTlNL9mbd7fWWCxAn Gwm1B+aCOIT5am60N6mAnebJ2z5R1iZ/8Qsq5z35lI52fiGg+hmkCY/g7/ih/7uf/u3N694D3 WPt8Izbj/JhHJiIhi+yE5mjS++fh9en0a7RitCrbmUzda95aYAC2r9bE8TgoFyuX0OKkaaW03 gxAVG9CJd85RU3dUzLusnE1SHQ8f6WChYt8nlQZ0gaUoJQ9argZbMJrZbWN81y4Q9ixIt0SF3 7HZJ6xoMOJemV9XeCD6c6ue8cfj07QbTSgdzAEDL9CCcTlBTAt97YMrMrklYwoCJRkyNLxVkB MwwBQx1h5MWipv4m8as0Z9cw//7VL0/gNZ8yBcm5Y6YbzkQjE7h0se/gD8Mmmv66tyz8rfOg7 FnRL4T1c0V7sSQdJKacxRZht1vXKE+PPmyn/CSbAEiqyoGQ21AWFL/7X2insJPebv3zolSA3K 5HodKCOY9VKeRMJb X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:46:39 -0000 On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:38:05 +0200, sj126@uranus.uni-freiburg.de wrote: > Just to get it unambiguous: Is the "FreeBSD pre-partition" an unallocated space > or an empty partition, which is unmounted or ... ? Yes, you should always leave the creation of a partition and the initialization of file systems to the OS which will be using them. In this case, just make sure there is unallocated space. > Btw, does the unallocated space physically need to be at a stretch? (How) Does > the partition manager arrange the physical position of partitions? Yes, a partition is always a contiguous space (here: space not allocated yet). Partition managers like PartEd Magic simply re-arrange the values in the partition table. Later on, file systems need to reflect those changes, but this can also often be done from within PartEd Magic (check FreeBSD's "growfs"). But resizing partitions usually isn't that easy (especially when you already have several partitions). > As (nearly) always in the world of Free Software, I can (successfully) use > whichever partition manager I want for this, can't I? Yes, just make sure you have a backup. Really. A verified backup. Just in case. As I mentioned above, PartEd Magic is a good solution for this task. It can be run safely from a live system CD or DVD. I think it's also part of UBCD. > Or is efibootmgr more > suitable for this task? Don't confuse the boot manager with a partition editor. If you have UEFI working on your system, its boot manager will do. If not, Grub can also load FreeBSD in a more "traditional" partitioning setting - this depends on several things, such as UEFI or BIOS, GPT or MBR, ... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 08:54:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF673FA6D60 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:54:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F423F79809 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Ls5Ln-1eESEO0JyR-013sSt; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:54:11 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:54:09 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Olivier Cc: "Frank Leonhardt \(m\)" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing up to tape Message-Id: <20180429105409.d0e4b24c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <28BACDED-FDCC-415B-AABA-732FE36A3E91@fjl.co.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:AdW8AXkWlnqfcM8CGA8Apd1lEJtpaC1uAjvuvMSRtLyKikouEcO qFyHXSKZ6vyese4sJHrwlW2YQOgzB2LTGpEM7ed6munJxCdG1LLwNHxLDHraCn5n5JB5TkC RXvUF+ikn6EwxAio0ML1yZ6Rgf7iKiS0fUw78gZ12ADdDGucvLWangBjD9SKDuG970H7fU8 AQyosXqNLTrXpfWdnJKoQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:p+FT4F1Ka40=:k+RJCSHahZta2uuP1GLqqD pPBu8exDtiamCexk3E+SEefPnfraUooNo9+SR372rwWSYYYbIM+ZvX6NW7KNzqH5gQnRR7n9+ Wijh8GtAOz5k2ycYy+TIEDTNCJv54SMRNEUtK+s69IKjk3QsOwGKBBdMBXwerbqL3rWVrIdzy NmHmh7gAM10JAmbDALvcgcWUr7z9bTcFBkb6peOPBx2hB63uEyLCzt9wEHrAxQMc12olizXtl LjnQoz+jqDRSEW8Z06yhsfQ/5FcCOhe6PdV5yRn5OWTDftVjUw9rhmRQskn8PIM5KBTN9NLTq xWkAIT1fr/VHOjaEUSIxdk6KbeD8gmhFufT8MQzHg5NpKlA2UJIGX/J8akYzIZetUrpZXj+fO Qm3C6urG2/9M22c4qRwjWRuiliy89OzsTx7sPofvam2oo2NjA/4Un9JoX2VFEzHwqULO4GElW LSjGS4eVk1pojt+LCSYkNodg2WVZrw5Yom5H4xNnV2XrDwx/OjC9sokvknZDWDIZGoKA6zW56 kpYtA5YI7BJYRJc8UQACrnLQtYkWVsiEho2kXzxWvYUKqfesnSlQci5VeSDzMSx5uH023jHYy uL5HQkA4+vR7eAbDC/t9MmzSGEicYw4zDhVAVAggttaegG49pBwcVVRXm+nkP1lp8inZL47KL Byt13ZMm9ZNiGp3iGi0YxuSgl13lPutOxz0cALNSZJUwJ2kj/Bbz10ie2SWZevN9aL1gVajm2 gYFv6FgzK0lsUbpG X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 08:54:19 -0000 On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:32:28 +0700, Olivier wrote: > "Frank Leonhardt (m)" writes: > > I'll need a utility to save/restore ZFS datasets that are larger > > than one tape if anyone knows of one. Otherwise I'll be writing > > one, if anyone is interested. > > While it should not be too difficult to design such a utility, you have > to consider that each time you will want to access any data on the tar, > you will have to stream through all the tapes, because tar format does > not allow you to start with the tape 5 even if you know that the file > you are looking for is not on the first 4 tapes. In this case, pax is a convenient tool to deal with multi-volume archives. It is part of the default OS installation, of course. See "man pax" for details. > It would be much better to split the data you want to tar, to have one > set of data filling almost one tape. Splitting the data beforehand probably is the best way to deal with tar archives on tape. Maintaing a "tape catalog" (usually automated) is a nice addition. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 09:08:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A155FA73E9 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kristaps.civkulis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x22a.google.com (mail-oi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA54C7C45A for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kristaps.civkulis@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id e80-v6so5129936oig.11 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 02:08:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aRYARGS1lPZyOgkpwpkj45LK8NnvzWx94oD5djADztY=; b=nCxSuR97hD4XOa0nlQlOMbMyXrDEBBFsvmzMjhyhTZK5EJ+1yOp+dyw1xBR3reqrXm dm8y5AKOQe4e4GAYGuqC3UF8KICvyl2WVnp6448oJphoDNKpd1ddOVx4DVwyv07afoSS AK2ZQ3buGCvSh/SM6vIfXoWmfM1H2uRFhrY45ZlBWIJL44kXvnzvTUY8wzgMUNmFNH7d fc2gFCcfiFUNNjq4S8AW2XGnR2nLSruI1DKEIn5JLBV10pOkmppcMpUEQz7e2n+9M8Gd CS+uw54zRVxMeziMJON/+E62Ir6/COEWN+utNq3MXN3uKx9CHC7OurVFz8LcqbHQoaoX ML2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aRYARGS1lPZyOgkpwpkj45LK8NnvzWx94oD5djADztY=; b=sg3dolQ/Snh9C81jBOaee4I4izvTR+zBm3O0HYMZcEc12lDZIYiRjdYhMoHWnpjUKG tKiAq0NEnjFd2/eyOhF6mOw1j7yBd5OR8fHb5ZU8dsTVJt8OycRPur1ThIT3prW8Hkjc ajxz647oaPZFN4/et+2XMnowrF761Xt9P8K6CVBqMEruODdqV23MrQuE+QyVlez11iun Fp+YLf/IE8TuizHh1D4v0QPD1dH46BbfPV1R9fhLWvb36QJCMBga/YKCuK4fEeeY70p1 Bb10N9LjfR8s6cr0gOGfLPu0gI330UbkVUT8jbrbqkdEKnGYERS6fl0stiubrKFaG3R8 crew== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAhr1i3ukn1AjZ+eLvCQd+j23TCXw7fNF4oizIGy3vG8LIzXCdQ 6Y2AU2NIMaUNLcWnrZn39+NFi3TE8OClYe5fw7EVsw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpl4GOL5hA3fiITk2iVdkod6glTqL7HTojclkJUUETNn/4j+gZmFH6LbbkhK2AF0/hfOQsmUEwAlW0dWfy+dgA= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2d46:: with SMTP id t67-v6mr4584941oit.143.1524992919319; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 02:08:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:48ce:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 02:08:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Kristaps_=C4=8Civkulis?= Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:08:38 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dual Boot with GRUB next to GNU/Linux "Debian" To: sj126@uranus.uni-freiburg.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:08:40 -0000 > Just to get it unambiguous: Is the "FreeBSD pre-partition" an unallocated space > or an empty partition, which is unmounted or ... ? > Btw, does the unallocated space physically need to be at a stretch? (How) Does > the partition manager arrange the physical position of partitions? You just have to shrink one of your current partitions to leave enough unallocated space (at least 1GB), and FreeBSD installer will automatically find that unallocated space and create needed partitions. The term "empty partition" was wrong, my bad. Unallocated space has to be contiguous. > As (nearly) always in the world of Free Software, I can (successfully) use > whichever partition manager I want for this, can't I? Or is efibootmgr more > suitable for this task? Yes, you can use any partition manager you want. But efibootmgr is different kind of tool, completely unrelated to partition managers. If you have UEFI firmware, you can change your boot order, add/delete boot entries and manually choose entry from your boot menu (load GRUB from this location, or load FreeBSD from that location, or try to boot from CD, DVD, USB etc). To change your boot order or add/delete boot entries you can use, for example, efibootmgr on Linux. On my machine FreeBSD installer didn't automatically add new boot entry, so I had to add it manually through Linux by using efibootmgr with command # efibootmgr -c -d /dev/sda -p XX -L "FreeBSD Loader" -l "\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI" where XX is the number of EFI partiton created by FreeBSD installer (/dev/sdaXX). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 10:16:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CCAFA8A77 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:16:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward101o.mail.yandex.net (forward101o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::601]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB99D6A708 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback13g.mail.yandex.net (mxback13g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:92]) by forward101o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 914161342A3A for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 13:16:35 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (smtp3o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::27]) by mxback13g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id 0JvpN4mEK2-GZhiuceu; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 13:16:35 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1524996995; bh=wjMObCf+Merx0X+9CnRVOhATjoRpwvSVT//VPS1euNQ=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date; b=DcuaV1G9F5flRzg76SpDY3ixnMYEZVS06fyPG4PytouOk35BT5xoZaohLC3rQTVGP rN/+uiIj+cNhJwNcxCKYAhfvLiPOPK3pml2jCjBeXwY0Sn/6lxsLCxirrDZabi0SE0 +8RtxE7V7Dhnm09FGM+uuXoCALEl5+FBRZ7trwZ4= Received: by smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id rxTm5xmhiJ-GYiiTiuZ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 13:16:34 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1524996994; bh=wjMObCf+Merx0X+9CnRVOhATjoRpwvSVT//VPS1euNQ=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date; b=oADOOKL4xk8+Du7A51V+BSSpckiXbzwv5TFqBO2i9CltgjO2Ln7g00926R76k2z2Q 5OJlHxexcVb7Rexc/JOX3e/6HcPnCg6Y80Ym8TP91q6sd8GvAmJMFjHbSv5Qnh2N2L WWvTcMbYMirjbBINdXku1pzhsiGWZOnnulGJruA8= Authentication-Results: smtp3o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Message-ID: <1524996990.23915.1.camel@yandex.com> Subject: blender - llvm From: StariKarp To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 06:16:30 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:16:38 -0000 Hi! I am using Blender on FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE (amd64) and as I have experience it was (is) the problem with different versions of llvm which new versions are coming in the ports tree very fast. I have in /etc/make.conf: MESA_LLVM_VER=40 and building and running Blender works. How is the future of Blender because of the new versions of llvm60, please? Thank you. SK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 12:10:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AF4FAB56B for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:10:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out3-5.antispamcloud.com (out3-5.antispamcloud.com [185.201.18.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F65480F51 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx64.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fCjpr-000AQ3-La; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:45:40 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lzjTewE0WAPFf3c3IxYLLkq2FAMl6W/oH/ck+0kRPsw=; b=goT5Hz5V1deo+/KvB9XvVXwvaj RIqeN2QlcGXljeWVqU6QXxbX95H7uEZT6W6v8nBMam2cMg44yvVPIkau8+WWx679rjNc5sVhzIpQG 3LfPPgn0PETm6D+yPyJ/3bYnpT/gF8bhgXXf9Ok/areXY9rRe16XuKDWUAEuYsl/ZivXucSEvaHRN sNvEThsj3/jGTmqablqnCgf1hGa59o53zuotnDEkIYtJKWSgmeb70zxekls/1UiVGNI/TxU860zBU 5skXpVM35CrFeK+5SNazltPrlgEKVqwoWJyiUfEO6sPs8lJzC2rL8lbQFhpDP4uAWexeW8WJEw9te NN87lOwQ==; Received: from [114.125.121.65] (port=44867 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fCjp0-0004qw-Od; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 17:44:50 +0700 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:44:43 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: wa5qjh Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade of firefox from v54 to v59 hosed up Message-ID: <20180429184443.355f0a9c.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <1eba53b2-287c-7140-06f9-a135607de0c7@xmission.com> References: <1eba53b2-287c-7140-06f9-a135607de0c7@xmission.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.18) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5j6nqEC4/itNPimCQb2+UxR602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO6NWu38FC4p1ElfM6/IZIFpJaS2UgX4BOmDqWBrlTzB+aD5FNcdkvY1jdJPl0oIMOX3j WhjuxzS+DWWESj8cgwzIuyK9ZQuG+BWCv/vu5t5xDC2x0UfC3kDLHZZ45vLkn1Zc4vFKugQ4cXG/ tChmagg/s/LbIDwoHuaPlcIrf5QYkVWClPVvbW5lVyQanRxw5vXnbn8MYmcXrOcevSqxOW0Lai4l 530xWknuYPVDAaBJImPP2dXZx92akKoN7fUg0kzXIlHX7eANWlCO2XGJyGU9oLDEz6cVLClJUS8A nGbz/BzL47xk+Q/uswILf2rDgM3sodCXd6Deqt8UbbiaEBtNhHbVMNVriwqiLfyjMaD0IGWzi/ZW VMCjfK76uXDcS+4b68bcfEUhGoUaMRLIrO7BePDP4/9QmYCRIF7Nfcc0IJ4wPZcRWc/x8B0Dq8iD 18tKpQZNCQ9fWNhdgLpZZMKumy7dSDdzT+FZaJbsZl2hXe9eBr/BlppHuPTdSOqbCq0jiD6XqsJZ tjQxlyCdsexSViPrG1zvXxpHVfvosE48pPeKgSNrMz1anClngGiZARrB914i1FUkwh8fkKXUfYVP MuIEvKgS4MtxVWrpH3s//iL0KTW+WftxCA2VTaJ67eTsFQ8/WFokiBOlJQR5sgTQ+UsD3y4wIAhs hKzJPKlLJOgOyEC24xOb79Q4piGkkxaZLPbzckOePyTvq7s4r22Nq/UW6RjmM7GmQT332+BKzjDa p0GmX1YWg/B5csb7G36m+UeFXprlCOm3BAEbJtAVHVZNFhCBbkLFs6QOJuu+0VdSuP+PTj7F6UUB ngSHYlQGPt0R0XrceAemeBIucKBbLPp9n350Mbemie5JWWm/uVN5lkyT06m/sVSCqoHju+8kF6TY yn9n6xWM/G+t/KhPuNeW3ixqVEvOWw2NNt2t X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:10:56 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:59:36 +0800 wa5qjh wrote: > Two days ago=C2=A0 I upgraded Firefox from v54 to v59 Firefox is also my favourite when it comes to upgrading. Can you try a source upgrade? I expect some problems with rust there but compiling rust by hand will solve all problems. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 14:03:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB12FADB93 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:03:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF5778630 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40001776 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:03:00 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3TE306a008277 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:03:00 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3TE2veT008276 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:02:57 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:02:56 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:03:05 -0000 Dear Colleagues, What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST support switching between GUI users without logging out (like Ubuntu or Windows). I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with cannot do that). Thanks in advance for any input. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 14:24:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEADFAE16D for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33F137DC46 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id f65-v6so3126266itd.3 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 07:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=sxd/VSnqIfu3B0KXtjycRo7QOV0xsko9552sSOKik2I=; b=FyGWeR7ASILYqUXQIpL+Qum3nPKne3/CQ0AB8gUGfGzpLwCbxRcvY5tUYyWudOVchD iKXzTp2Tx3XMOiOqwodusNayg9iBlU7tru9z2eIyCgxn8kR16eAK0cFJDV2NPk5ktdN7 siejuz+Zee/zsEQeL/+RNP0dJZkf7mJyzNYtitiN863PaoVoL2b+jtVacTKez/MNtW6s 8GDv+HnBoz/BqDMfAp7NnjFYghSeS5Xkkz/Prv7zVEVRWgcyet7Qmrw91JYUbpy7jVI6 WvRlnHUDIbKFlKHeW3/+/QlP5XRPB2B4Yp1IyTf+IZMb814+dLitMvm1IN739z2+udBb 4cEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sxd/VSnqIfu3B0KXtjycRo7QOV0xsko9552sSOKik2I=; b=pHqy7zFME2y8c0F+EZUyAwu8Gt731rs9aBmvfQRNgaOFEcbqO2qc+Gjf7DyL16W6QS VmQLbhUJ9oJN6Pv7/RCA22b9IwsCoPw4P1lBRvLUB6xY3OQIoSJxky/sFxo14lLudqjV ScgaI/iZMGjEHJcqwdLqPyWrn+2k6q3r4bp/bfdc/0TWpVX1CITcCO+512B0AMmiRqz4 5Q3ac7A+oDnvQmWlEl+XivDoUvljOM/kNgUHCgHP/yohbnw11SFWi1llJCudZRsqDNoC AvWJ/lTVFZUCjGTdfaFPGkuM81phQFxp2e4IbRph0bmeNHhS5Y6rJarEVZ4bH65EFPFB coPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAGPzGSAspC1I/RG7/ZIXveZCAvAVjyOixDLFeJh3EtmOjSkCMl u+1UVqeNSCL7OkSOqKQDsRErGE3kO3yOpo1ylQE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZophrKa5x/xdy4RH0tnk0vyN9ArlA/ZUad8nNe5zzt9nOkZkxu5QbpeBbwagnwa8K1h+efK0TXiT7wGb2THP9A= X-Received: by 2002:a24:830a:: with SMTP id d10-v6mr9224439ite.117.1525011840574; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> In-Reply-To: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:23:49 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:24:02 -0000 On Sun, Apr 29, 2018, 22:06 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > Ubuntu or Windows). > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > cannot do that). > > Thanks in advance for any input. > > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > AS43859 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Try xfce > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 14:43:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F29FAF0C6 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7C9813D8 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40001806; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:43:30 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3TEhUxb008564; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:43:30 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3TEhQrO008563; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:43:26 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:43:26 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: blubee blubeeme Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180429144326.GA8549@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 14:43:32 -0000 blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > > Ubuntu or Windows). > > > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > > cannot do that). > > > > Try xfce Do you know from experience that it supports switching? Which dm does it use, its own? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 15:18:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDCCFAFC95 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wes.frazier@members.fsf.org) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.posteo.de", Issuer "StartCom Class 3 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89C0369EEB for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wes.frazier@members.fsf.org) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 740B220F76 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 17:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 40Yrsx1rMRz9rxk; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 17:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: wes.frazier@members.fsf.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? To: Victor Sudakov , blubee blubeeme Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429144326.GA8549@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: Wes Frazier Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=wes.frazier@members.fsf.org; keydata= xsBNBFnkGS8BCADFsuOK5MoYG9ngr5avBVEZ3M2YWFYqhFnrnegeC6gFP7CEEEhFlAlGFRJa 2lomWr9vkG19OpxtbiJVnXfmgquN5niDm3rx00So2EmpspHIp8/mOFE7Gx8tupQcOU6kVt4A 7i3U4KF+E1adev2BzVTxLOJPoaKRsA+puHdPH8jZ1a3y0YEtvLF8UUKiSEsECrjk30fQVKEl pGwNZUk5T30zWQWEIJXdYSviCbJmbzbf8DUQbHAxfcADYbMPm83XIOo14YbBjym8owNP1zhF M8ZOOxI0tQSh8Y+5U9Yn7pCm4FbIflLAIfV2dpoqeLgjQjOUDna+bo0HaWDt1bQQtUczABEB AAHNKVdlcyBGcmF6aWVyIDx3ZXMuZnJhemllckBtZW1iZXJzLmZzZi5vcmc+wsB/BBMBCAAp BQJZ5BkvAhsDBQkCky4ABwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQFO57iiyrSi6Q KAf+Pv/4HBh7Pk/NpjwaxdwK4Sxd4kO54VwcEcNmeGKMLPqD3ctDslETRBPyzA5Uvyckn5cE 6B8CbNKPEzpRRgr0kDHT5lzoHFaaubnl5ncYe419HMs8Dk3PXpwkjZ8KMotzJFvNVaaZ7Q7X B+r4godvMkDIZAz9GDBbyHKeK/1yqWQgquWJ7vxf2wSWWE6NqqENgcXQNUp54Ay4H+r3qEhT E72xbKFycmZ9idB7bzIKaf801M3AnbiUlvLcMXenFORtqhWXFYJqv/N/io9DN0nQfBpr9Fyc h50MNG4yVw/5jAtlnr6pXbTHPfAzp3/mv1NsrpLR6cRhXU5PW+jqyqLM7M7ATQRZ5BkvAQgA vIxBTKdST8TjalLJ45i2VO6x6FiTuS7FNwhlWinbmLrVqBOyuMU7Foxbps0BSjSY0+6tGUfJ bUdnbZ4EzzrVT1lPpj86vv4ukj9n7XzggAZJopzTj66ghqmiUfrZu5K5ClQUtosxYiUtIO7z 1BRf1xC5UNmqFEWxafEk81AVr6Us9J7BbyW4SdMh2ReHF+zgSs1CSzjobCZ/sA4v5uYp1hiq V08ZLawLIQoKQQFDorwMDPuX0ZL2O6ux2pX9tI04pGem2JVfQwxgfoE1Tj47MIvftmlzJ5uC O1y9zpkPjw00AngJgHKaIb0Xe6z4dJKotbAygB2tD/EM+2QJfBZ7aQARAQABwsBlBBgBCAAP BQJZ5BkvAhsMBQkCky4AAAoJEBTue4osq0ou3+8IAI/lD29qvdz2qmN0O68h9sE3r7qaqTpq 9LNgNIeTEJ7H6EfO9xU7TnPrBEm49V7fBJZLhkpyhA1XDwXPFgnQU+1dln9zGmm5qRySY71y zVvttW0k9FffhqvJy8yekcBHi8LIJVGV+FhrNixICs0zzPquWKtlcTSYQt80zuLND6XQYHb+ 7nq80Ij2h9e1b3sZ34Ceo0fjvIogieVXdmrg6K/fWKZ+yKOx0LBI60wB9pzb0T7WjuO0svxt lq3NfAji6+fadgIyWCDPx0aJx0/+LXvxkK0+1c4E9KjqmEfRSR1fdwasqLN43eD7x465JIIv DaE+1+8RUdzR93Ym3iKR3/Y= Message-ID: <4fed5385-d83f-8259-7f36-8ccbf19ab6e5@members.fsf.org> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:18:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180429144326.GA8549@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qS9MdGEHrICp3nk8i2Y8o5wQniewvI4qy" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:18:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qS9MdGEHrICp3nk8i2Y8o5wQniewvI4qy Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="KHaqadfD6hwrx93Wx5JC2Anq6dvh1QQUd"; protected-headers="v1" From: Wes Frazier Reply-To: wes.frazier@members.fsf.org To: Victor Sudakov , blubee blubeeme Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4fed5385-d83f-8259-7f36-8ccbf19ab6e5@members.fsf.org> Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429144326.GA8549@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> In-Reply-To: <20180429144326.GA8549@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> --KHaqadfD6hwrx93Wx5JC2Anq6dvh1QQUd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/29/18 10:43, Victor Sudakov wrote: > blubee blubeeme wrote: >>> >>> What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? >>> >>> I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST >>> support switching between GUI users without logging out (like >>> Ubuntu or Windows). >>> >>> I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users >>> without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with >>> cannot do that). >>> >> >> Try xfce >=20 > Do you know from experience that it supports switching? Which dm does > it use, its own? >=20 I know from past experience that on GNU/Linux XFCE supports user switching when LightDM is the display manager but not with other DMs. I have not yet tried this on FreeBSD however. - Wes --KHaqadfD6hwrx93Wx5JC2Anq6dvh1QQUd-- --qS9MdGEHrICp3nk8i2Y8o5wQniewvI4qy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEZlhJhYmotpqX80BPFO57iiyrSi4FAlrl4lMACgkQFO57iiyr Si49Ngf8Cv3mTDXckeurev+LK+s/h06n3+MIH7klfolnFsU4BQD/NatJdW85+kzy MRDZ0uTtPtbNrgxY6a1WhEd0PVZr2t2LuicFB5MrpNo0iULEIzYg6qzeqzzgA7qo ajio5Jbktyi85Aomkq5fPu3oL+22BI1nNJ7ZNWBzCuFYybWnUzRBimvs7AK5fH/O iR47vGrrkdvrtqL8Bj0AiB6snsp/R8iG0n77L1trkMq99IvYAqqjjAf3J6Iw+dLn 6seb/iqMqcG28EwFbZ/LGyXA3tVDu59zBGZbk9sxOyE5c8eH/KMlKttUjzPbH777 M+tEiIuQwsOpXeZtbzaPW+CXOew8TQ== =/Z4I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qS9MdGEHrICp3nk8i2Y8o5wQniewvI4qy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 15:38:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9BFFB033A for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:38:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-dave@fullard.ca) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AC7E6E3C9 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:38:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-dave@fullard.ca) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08F921F7B for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web4 ([10.202.2.214]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:38:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fullard.ca; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; bh=zGP5rFtkFW5DGF9AsJh++mli58fTvDSdtqvaOt5HLa0=; b=vPWCq+yk IVEcIjsv7kUluuJfMrA16UIUoI4+vuT9bOD1SgYLofxff27PAfnAGpLIVl67pD1y hBzSlQYj9ZHw/y/P8I1DvEtJGMUJjHTKu2jDIqtaf5ek8F8Y90MdkucKg146B0Z4 9N4FjeueojFZn9qOpvq1pQSqQ8P6GnLXXkt5tkidOYqg/j4BFVEpJjBK5YWEXVmE tSFoZW5igypMPY/yi9XHtbpmAv31/rNpzcY88Agq32pVHIHqoHvsMiDFrLKH43MQ jEdEk0AMEFJhF8GLofkpIAsdTHAPuQMFOM+RK0MANlXvNpW1bp8P5D3UGMST9xPQ 92ZodmhFFV9Jig== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=zGP5rFtkFW5DGF9AsJh++mli58fTv DSdtqvaOt5HLa0=; b=iN5TzIzcJsG64E/3XtzATWDh701RDxwsmr4sTdXpLfWMI U0dvLTvF/kdBhcpCHavzUVnb52/oQco4whUBtiJUh4sG61JE3sGZ1AfYSL/zuq0E 8ngBAhtR/ReHpsjEsaaywIbT8BBj4zdIoH1neeaql+ov+H4fbUf4D/HetpCn4oxB 3APlcMgcJafgt3dLESmH4nQorfEq9GHkxPhfdDi4yHYVpVz3492k2Ks+UL6NqLbv pxnHq8zqh8CV9X+J5VXPbGZYO6KTjyxmlAK5zSdOBic0ueZF+GCVLhIgfmweBFq9 YVYhJqVjdZsDcPZWLSVj0/K6d7/Q5PL+ofr0b4Qyw== X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3E4BEBA780; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1525016285.2612947.1354647648.289B745A@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Dave Fullard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-f3006b89 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:38:05 -0400 Subject: mount_smbfs only supports SMB1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:38:12 -0000 I've noted that mount_smbfs only supports SMB1 shares. Will there be support for SMB2/3 shares in the future? Regards // Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 16:38:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A8FFB170B for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from mx2.webtent.net (mx2.webtent.net [216.139.202.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6310B7860B for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTP id BF76AD78B8 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09112-06 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (media.rfitz.com [96.254.71.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: robert@mx2.webtent.net) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTPSA id 4E294D7F1E for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5AE5F327.3050702@webtent.org> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:30:31 -0400 From: Robert Fitzpatrick User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.25 (Windows/20180328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Restoring bootcode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:38:19 -0000 Something happens to the bootcode since an upgrade a while back and I've been starting this 10.4-RELEASE server at the loader OK prompt using 'set currdev=disk0s1a' and then boot. Here is the server system... root@dev:~ # gpart show => 63 41942977 ada0 MBR (20G) 63 41929587 1 freebsd [active] (20G) 41929650 13390 - free - (6.5M) => 0 41929587 ada0s1 BSD (20G) 0 1024000 1 freebsd-ufs (500M) 1024000 524288 2 freebsd-swap (256M) 1548288 20480000 4 freebsd-ufs (9.8G) 22028288 19901299 5 freebsd-ufs (9.5G) I've tried the following to install the boot code, but still ending up at the loader prompt... root@dev:~ # gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ada0 bootcode written to ada0 I also tried with ada0s1 with same result. Clearly I don't understand how to get this done, can someone help? -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 18:00:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91285FB3388 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) Received: from mailrelay103.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay103.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.20.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "relay.skynet.be", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F220D87B5A for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3AHTtnZx+3/cG+Zv9uRHKM819IXTAuvvDOBiVQ1KB4?= =?us-ascii?q?1ugcTK2v8tzYMVDF4r011RmVBd6ds6oMotGVmpioYXYH75eFvSJKW713fDhBt/?= =?us-ascii?q?8rmRc9CtWOE0zxIa2iRSU7GMNfSA0tpCnjYgBaF8nkelLdvGC54yIMFRXjLwp1?= =?us-ascii?q?Ifn+FpLPg8it2O2+55Pebx9UiDahfLh/MAi4oQLNu8cMnIBsMLwxyhzHontJf+?= =?us-ascii?q?RZ22ZlLk+Nkhj/+8m94odt/zxftPw9+cFAV776f7kjQrxDEDsmKWE169b1uhTF?= =?us-ascii?q?UACC+2ETUmQSkhpPHgjF8BT3VYr/vyfmquZw3jSRMMvrRr42RDui9b9mRhHohi?= =?us-ascii?q?kZKjA382PYisJ/g61HrxysvAB/zozIbI2JKPZyYr3RcNUHTmRBRMZRUClBD5ui?= =?us-ascii?q?YYsODeoBOftTopf6p1sJthuxGwysC/npyj9Tm3T72rE60+UjEQHCxwEuH8gOv2?= =?us-ascii?q?rKo9joKakcX/q5zK7SzTXMdv5b3yr25ovQch05ovyAQKh8fdTexEUyDQ/JkEmc?= =?us-ascii?q?pZL/Mz+I1ukAvW6W5Pd6W+21kW4osQRxryCqxscrl4bGmJoYykvB9SVl2IY1Is?= =?us-ascii?q?C4SFJjbd6kDpRQsyaaOpN1Qsw4R2FouSM6xaMcuZ68ZiQK1JUnxxzba/Cdb4eI?= =?us-ascii?q?5RXjVP2PLjd9nn1lfqm/iwy18Ui6xe3wTsi00FBUoSpZitTBtW0B2wbN5sWIV/?= =?us-ascii?q?dx5Fmt1SqR2wzJ9+1JIU45mbLeK5E7w74wkpQTsV7EHi/zgEj2kK6Wdkcg+uWz?= =?us-ascii?q?5eTneKvpqYGHOI9vlw7yKKMumtawAeggKAgBQ3Cb+fig1L3k5UD5Tq9KgeMona?= =?us-ascii?q?bCq5DVON0XprekAwBLyYYj9xe/DzCg0NQDhnQHIkhFdwyZgIfyIFHBPer0DfCl?= =?us-ascii?q?g1Sjw39XwKXqN6PsSrvQKnzKirupKbhn5kNW0wZ2wdlB6rpaF7UFKej/HET44o?= =?us-ascii?q?/2FBg8ZjC1weKvI9J6zY4bUGSUSvuFMaHWmXGS6+8FGMXKY5Ua7mWuY8M57uLj?= =?us-ascii?q?2Cdq0WQWerOkiMMa?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2DBBQCEB+Za/5nK8VFcGwEBAQEDAQEBC?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAYNDU4EIKIxMjBoBAYFzMQFdlQyEcQQCAoJNIjgUAQIBAQEBAQECAWsogjU?= =?us-ascii?q?iglIBBTocIxALDgoJJQ8qHgYThROpaIg9gkeKKYNlNYpHApgSCI5AaUkBiy8rk?= =?us-ascii?q?TYzIYFSTTAIgn6QUD0wkQgBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2DBBQCEB+Za/5nK8VFcGwEBAQEDAQEBCQEBAYNDU4EIKIx?= =?us-ascii?q?MjBoBAYFzMQFdlQyEcQQCAoJNIjgUAQIBAQEBAQECAWsogjUiglIBBTocIxALD?= =?us-ascii?q?goJJQ8qHgYThROpaIg9gkeKKYNlNYpHApgSCI5AaUkBiy8rkTYzIYFSTTAIgn6?= =?us-ascii?q?QUD0wkQgBAQ?= Received: from 153.202-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([81.241.202.153]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 29 Apr 2018 19:59:11 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3THxATO025421; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 19:59:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 19:59:10 +0200 From: Tijl Coosemans To: Dave Fullard Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount_smbfs only supports SMB1? Message-ID: <20180429195910.28224e84@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <1525016285.2612947.1354647648.289B745A@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1525016285.2612947.1354647648.289B745A@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:00:25 -0000 On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:38:05 -0400 Dave Fullard wrote: > I've noted that mount_smbfs only supports SMB1 shares. Will there be > support for SMB2/3 shares in the future? I don't know of anyone working on that so I wouldn't count on it. You could try the port sysutils/fusefs-smbnetfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 18:18:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1321DFB3E86 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from forward106p.mail.yandex.net (forward106p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FAC36C754 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from mxback3o.mail.yandex.net (mxback3o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::1d]) by forward106p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 5CE3F2D828C5; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:18:41 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4p.mail.yandex.net (smtp4p.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1402::15:6]) by mxback3o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id lLtAcUByeZ-IfrKVsk7; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:18:41 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1525025921; bh=DK63ieKWjVnQBI+xhXOKdaiTAWgC+8o+t7Q6hxViui0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=QKJiVHRtCcBwk8iNcOwMTH91i2gD3BluLayAkvAhl7D9oalSQdeNmLd+d3OxqHJmZ rxN3r4xzE4eTXRZOYYx5wN/AFxuC88A0zdmVwgE50I2iVpoZC+iaT+z7GvuIuZ6rqZ frgJS0avAO5aA1qPEVM7wToGDJC2gIAMardIGVhk= Received: by smtp4p.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id VSrDnOrnQR-IdqGcQRZ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:18:39 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1525025920; bh=DK63ieKWjVnQBI+xhXOKdaiTAWgC+8o+t7Q6hxViui0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=qT8DOQ7RvVQlZ41OjC/zTm+ObBrx9IaurJ/JLc2FfyrbNNDbrOSk0qY37jXFaC0Y5 81Zzrf99g7mBpH0rKMFe2jDpr7WWSoYkxDb0LErWkYMZouz2CkT3te5KNbt9TPOgia FQZ2e08JhcL8FqJ+F7nsTpymq1B9niMi5TBFLG6U= Authentication-Results: smtp4p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Subject: Re: Restoring bootcode To: Robert Fitzpatrick , FreeBSD References: <5AE5F327.3050702@webtent.org> From: Manish Jain Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:48:04 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5AE5F327.3050702@webtent.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:18:45 -0000 On 04/29/18 22:00, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: > Something happens to the bootcode since an upgrade a while back and I've > been starting this 10.4-RELEASE server at the loader OK prompt using > 'set currdev=disk0s1a' and then boot. Here is the server system... > > root@dev:~ # gpart show > =>      63  41942977  ada0  MBR  (20G) >         63  41929587     1  freebsd  [active]  (20G) >   41929650     13390        - free -  (6.5M) > > =>       0  41929587  ada0s1  BSD  (20G) >          0   1024000       1  freebsd-ufs  (500M) >    1024000    524288       2  freebsd-swap  (256M) >    1548288  20480000       4  freebsd-ufs  (9.8G) >   22028288  19901299       5  freebsd-ufs  (9.5G) > > I've tried the following to install the boot code, but still ending up > at the loader prompt... > > root@dev:~ # gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ada0 > bootcode written to ada0 > > I also tried with ada0s1 with same result. Clearly I don't understand > how to get this done, can someone help? > Hi Robert, /boot/mbr needs you to set ada0s1 as the active partition. The easier solution in your case perhaps is: gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot0 ada0 gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot ada0s1 -- Tx and Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 20:50:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2155FB803B for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:50:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E59C6D3FB for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MeSpb-1f0aNT355j-00QBHV; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:49:52 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:49:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? 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If remember correctly, both Gnome 2 and Mate _can_ do this. The feature you're talking about is called "switch user", i. e., it is a session switcher: User A is logged in, has programs open and so on; user B approaches and asks to do something, so A selects the "switch user" function, allows B to log in; B does his stuff, logs out - and the session of user A is restored. Is that what you're looking for? If yes, this function is integrated in the desktop, and not part of the display manager (which usually is only activated when _no_ user is logged in). Additionally, you can probably run a second X server on the same system and switch over for a second session... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 29 21:05:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4ECFB8E08 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67BB2731E7 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M3jZR-1eMZsM1FVB-00rJka; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:05:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:05:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Cc: Robert Fitzpatrick , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Restoring bootcode Message-Id: <20180429230540.c93489c9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <5AE5F327.3050702@webtent.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:E3iyTxuQZ0b1PFkfTaQPYhPCpmGTUPgBGmZv7rEPFTnZw1Kl0Iy ZrVrU47z8zOnlsakplLpvC0KzoSJlkOYOXYLR5CNurtGNqghVgTWPLm6zCxKoKWY9m2sG+g j0N1K9EecKHFKGCcYrTQOfnwq1N6x7imnJaQRGI9a0RnwwZ4YrkgwVGVlYcFu1fG7t1AHof U266DvTFlB27YqVGYyjkw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:q0TQ0SY7iDA=:Fk3ell3B382+WJ1YH2KdFV YbNry9VY0UtTmgPZTVRI9eT/bWmVR2B3TYP2T5zKXpsDEP95z8w2c7DNDP37zXgY1jznCtqOm RupmUyMwAx713XXMCcsTWb42wumfPQCdB+MNaCkgSAtfF4LFDn7odMRKytsA7WJjJVGfSIw36 O+r3NSppexKPu8SX9zpNtbQbC+8CNHEjepU7icvGq77RmeGATzLnyl1KDJDRYdmzofP7tnMLw SekF3DFOdwA09XjlehU5aoHVFZrfTVz4AHfZc6ehN/rcCOHzRJuYUKTYy23mUaEDdmZQ2ICuY S9QKD8Y0sNZvXtMZWJQZExdZP57Dft3kBxbLFWvonGyq4kbvks6prhkZ40jqRUAaIUbXxjdZy 5uY8QHWVlwJHhMZMt+PuxKLwps/w6alqKqdpMlNkxei1bBaL+6G0yBiQRqZuY+i+iMah2JHHC tCqucz2bHjmGKwEW6Dvj05QndWB/WXyQ3ExGqefehcm2glsJ10iAQ32G152kw+mKP/DBYyqE1 MNKNdOij3vs2WcJjz3VFLX6xRfK62EMuBwIUW3jPCA91mDip+HzEjiz3o8J9TafX/YxndoDoJ 8rlg/whNXADI+iMSkBkxhc/4YIK2ZDazaNg06rKFowIChaK/Le+LcXfAsmLys4L/x8EGgYoBv 1BAjPkQ9cg/nxehhZbZoWUrmGeMq9sJJV+FchiOCJVZLKT6kGt4uAjsRZSAlYCBwDefQDPylz k3irdFbg0KG8ih58 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:05:57 -0000 On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:48:04 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > On 04/29/18 22:00, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Something happens to the bootcode since an upgrade a while back and I'v= e=20 > > been starting this 10.4-RELEASE server at the loader OK prompt using=20 > > 'set currdev=3Ddisk0s1a' and then boot. Here is the server system... > >=20 > > root@dev:~ # gpart show > > =3D>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 63=A0 41942977=A0 ada0=A0 MBR=A0 (20G) > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 63=A0 41929587=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0 freebsd=A0 [acti= ve]=A0 (20G) > > =A0 41929650=A0=A0=A0=A0 13390=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - free -=A0 (6.5M) > >=20 > > =3D>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 0=A0 41929587=A0 ada0s1=A0 BSD=A0 (20G) > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 0=A0=A0 1024000=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0 freebs= d-ufs=A0 (500M) > > =A0=A0 1024000=A0=A0=A0 524288=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2=A0 freebsd-swap=A0 = (256M) > > =A0=A0 1548288=A0 20480000=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 4=A0 freebsd-ufs=A0 (9.8G) > > =A0 22028288=A0 19901299=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 5=A0 freebsd-ufs=A0 (9.5G) > >=20 > > I've tried the following to install the boot code, but still ending up= =20 > > at the loader prompt... > >=20 > > root@dev:~ # gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ada0 > > bootcode written to ada0 > >=20 > > I also tried with ada0s1 with same result. Clearly I don't understand=20 > > how to get this done, can someone help? > >=20 >=20 > Hi Robert, >=20 > /boot/mbr needs you to set ada0s1 as the active partition. The easier=20 > solution in your case perhaps is: >=20 > gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot0 ada0 > gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot ada0s1 As this seems to be a MBR setup, the commands should probably be: # gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ada0 # gpart set -a active -i 1 ada0 # gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot ada0s1 Step 1 will add the regular MBR boot code, assuming this is a FreeBSD-only system (no boot manager required). Step 2 covers the case where the "active" flag has accidentally been cleared; make sure it is set again (so the system will recognize the partition s1 as being active, and attempt booting by transfering control to it). Step 3 will install the kernel loading mechanism for the slice that hosts the FreeBSD partitions (and therefore continue booting the kernel from /boot/kernel/kernel on /dev/ada0s1a, its default location). See "man 8 boot" and "man gpart" (sec. EXAMPLES). Further reading: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html#_the_old_standard_m= br :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 04:43:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7BFFC2C44 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3C677DD0 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40002117; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:57 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3U4gv5A014385; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:57 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3U4grmP014382; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:53 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:53 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:43:01 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > > Ubuntu or Windows). > > > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > > cannot do that). > > If remember correctly, both Gnome 2 and Mate _can_ do this. But I have a virtual box with the Mate metaport installed, and the "switch user" button is nowhere to be found in the Mate GUI. > The feature you're talking about is called "switch user", i. e., it is a > session switcher: User A is logged in, has programs open and so on; user > B approaches and asks to do something, so A selects the "switch user" > function, allows B to log in; B does his stuff, logs out - and the > session of user A is restored. > > Is that what you're looking for? > Not quite so. None of the users ever has to close her session and apps. Both the users' programs continue to run. Of course, at any moment only one user can access her programs on the desktop. The rest of your assumption is correct. > If yes, this function is integrated in the desktop, and not > part of the display manager (which usually is only activated > when _no_ user is logged in). I beg to disagree. When I use this feature in gnome3 and in Ubuntu, the display manager runs a separate instance of the X server per each user. And when you authenticate to the gdm, it either starts a new X server for you, or connects you to the existing X session. This is a sample output of ps on a PC with two GUI sessions (only one owns the desktop): [sudakov@vas ~] ps axww | grep X 13017 - S 1:47,82 /usr/local/bin/X :0 -background none -noreset -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-6X91vP/database -nolisten tcp vt09 (Xorg) 13460 - S 0:19,43 /usr/local/bin/X :1 -background none -noreset -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-ZbwJGt/database -nolisten tcp (Xorg) 13938 8 S+ 0:00,00 grep X I don't know how this is done internally. > > Additionally, you can probably run a second X server on the > same system and switch over for a second session... :-) > That's exactly what gdm from gnome3 does. But I'm looking for an alternative to gdm and gnome (and not startx). I have tried the stock xdm to run two separate local X-servers but this failed miserably for some reason. Must be some conflict it was unable to resolve, but the second X-server would not even start. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 05:06:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EBAFC3423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A9CF7C7DA for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M9Xn5-1f50vo3aud-00D0Ys; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 07:06:47 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 07:06:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-Id: <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:a3ZnsX9IRiwLYuQ/JBI0a01zxQrYGx9Hv1JPc6txTGRPGJdlyhl w1lNFRkuTeQcu6VfMs4dxG2/xvXcAGqz5+Q446A1ZbN/cEpFCER9Ol8REhhEERgaBxxqsO5 8SgwgOiwaYs1fs7LqSGX7hCDhLuOtf00kRc83Xdz/FPTMjLOqfYLuZSvnmM8Mv++zQizyul DdRY5DUrLLyg8zXIaJFZw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:fiED4bKCIJU=:DOP3jbRHm9q9s7uZKTnQl8 ArkPY+lvj58UIY9wPudt4CFbiD5W3DgtVACGy2YqqZU2kD3G9zWNCESxsaqlKez2XTvvdtdfg 4G2YRL1zxoX41UXimTs4yNqa84LBR7FOS1Jhw35pvC7ChfETkWLMaGGxslSBD9ygc35P1HaSO YNwuyD9jtfUC1pPmG1aoHVxOg28qpJ7WC2/BfgF/TR1++LBYDwnm7SrIEQyqyqmiBFiROPvqZ w2QwXaLKYlkThmXWYkFk3blVumyQq+5ahMfyRYfJF2Z43GX8BGjgYWXmHwxdnjR1IYzJBEIT/ 7cEfYuPHETd+b94OvKT7MMnxKopK9oftNhxZY4IrsmTMqW5AGnTakTR7TQmoO4kWax5DbUZHb /XRHMTrwLRM44L5yY2NxZDL1eixqquDegXwQc61JBvymdV2GtyPK+38v9yQDRdC7susQyEa7E VhxXvXopaUMbW67euvTNzc4GeD/YIXoopSVUk025/YzHNOb0CYcra4X1xOBbolmInUM+/lH3i ZggxTuSDmxQeo6Y3LXEOk6JqYGATh5Y5TOEkEEmR8Gh4AwZ513tK4qV5YxhWC21cac5TFdbcG UJpiCEYnidodDNG4l+vprjjxhfqt6zN4nxBeWxo+Vjg66mcTdP32qcTmg9rKSXN61naefG0fD njnhHIi9tT7TIOvPJ/A1BeIADh8X0W9vgmFPpPldJXzTM3MZdsx28WwPZ3mUgR8PMSomG5zSl zn0pNpPx5f8eaarg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:06:56 -0000 On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:53 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > > > > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > > > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > > > Ubuntu or Windows). > > > > > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > > > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > > > cannot do that). > > > > If remember correctly, both Gnome 2 and Mate _can_ do this. > > But I have a virtual box with the Mate metaport installed, and the "switch > user" button is nowhere to be found in the Mate GUI. Two possibilites: a) This function has not become part of Mate, but it was part of Gnome 2; maybe Cinnamon (the other Gnome 2 successor) has it? b) This function needs to be manually added to one of the menus or bars (via their configuration tools). > > The feature you're talking about is called "switch user", i. e., it is a > > session switcher: User A is logged in, has programs open and so on; user > > B approaches and asks to do something, so A selects the "switch user" > > function, allows B to log in; B does his stuff, logs out - and the > > session of user A is restored. > > > > Is that what you're looking for? > > > > Not quite so. None of the users ever has to close her session and apps. > Both the users' programs continue to run. Of course, at any moment only one > user can access her programs on the desktop. > > The rest of your assumption is correct. This is what I wanted to describe: The session is stored with all open programs and files before switching to a different user, and restored after the other user has logged out. Gnome 2 provided this feature. As did Mac OS X. ;-) > > If yes, this function is integrated in the desktop, and not > > part of the display manager (which usually is only activated > > when _no_ user is logged in). > > I beg to disagree. When I use this feature in gnome3 and in Ubuntu, > the display manager runs a separate instance of the X server per each > user. And when you authenticate to the gdm, it either starts a new X > server for you, or connects you to the existing X session. This is a > sample output of ps on a PC with two GUI sessions (only one owns the > desktop): > > > [sudakov@vas ~] ps axww | grep X > 13017 - S 1:47,82 /usr/local/bin/X :0 -background none -noreset -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-6X91vP/database -nolisten tcp vt09 (Xorg) > 13460 - S 0:19,43 /usr/local/bin/X :1 -background none -noreset -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-ZbwJGt/database -nolisten tcp (Xorg) > 13938 8 S+ 0:00,00 grep X > > I don't know how this is done internally. I don't have much experience with Gnome 3 because it scared the fsck out of me after "gnome" defaulted from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 - and I switched to Mate. :-) > > Additionally, you can probably run a second X server on the > > same system and switch over for a second session... :-) > > > > That's exactly what gdm from gnome3 does. But I'm looking for an > alternative to gdm and gnome (and not startx). Maybe wdm, the display manager inteded for use with GNUstep, can be used? > I have tried the stock xdm to run two separate local X-servers but this > failed miserably for some reason. Must be some conflict it was unable to > resolve, but the second X-server would not even start. Running two X servers is not a trivial task, but possible with some work. However, the feature you're requesting should be available without all the trouble. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 05:23:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC91FC3DAE for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453247F895 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40002132; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:27 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3U5NQwd014685; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:27 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3U5NMw9014682; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:22 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180430052322.GA14629@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:23:30 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > > > > > > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > > > > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > > > > Ubuntu or Windows). > > > > > > > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > > > > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > > > > cannot do that). > > > > > > If remember correctly, both Gnome 2 and Mate _can_ do this. > > > > But I have a virtual box with the Mate metaport installed, and the "switch > > user" button is nowhere to be found in the Mate GUI. > > Two possibilites: > > a) This function has not become part of Mate, but it was part > of Gnome 2; maybe Cinnamon (the other Gnome 2 successor) > has it? > > b) This function needs to be manually added to one of the menus > or bars (via their configuration tools). > You say you use Mate, could I ask you to do me a favour and look how to enable this function in your installation of Mate? [dd] > > I don't have much experience with Gnome 3 because it scared > the fsck out of me after "gnome" defaulted from Gnome 2 to > Gnome 3 - and I switched to Mate. :-) I want to get rid of gnome3 too, I just need functional user switching somewhere else. > > > > > > Additionally, you can probably run a second X server on the > > > same system and switch over for a second session... :-) > > > > > > > That's exactly what gdm from gnome3 does. But I'm looking for an > > alternative to gdm and gnome (and not startx). > > Maybe wdm, the display manager inteded for use with GNUstep, > can be used? Maybe, or maybe not. I'm looking for at least one success story of functional user switching. > > > I have tried the stock xdm to run two separate local X-servers but this > > failed miserably for some reason. Must be some conflict it was unable to > > resolve, but the second X-server would not even start. > > Running two X servers is not a trivial task, but possible > with some work. However, the feature you're requesting should > be available without all the trouble. :-) I thought as much, should be available without all the trouble. But... It surprises me however that nobody has stepped forward and said "I run two local X-servers", or "I use user switching all the time with XXX" - why is that? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 06:08:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7831FC4AED for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 06:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 491746917B for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 06:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1525068540; x=1527660540; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=81NJIRT2I6MdMmZNdIIJcuT6HI5QIPPm4Nz8wicKdIc=; b=H8UEwNExscBhk676Emt09anejBAuSZ4dbHgD/CMV5KsXM5yZcEAOeZiNFWoDmwMQSuGU1tYRjhmNGg+bvvsl8i0Nxs6pTEiHZALxWwKeozZ62CY4lzWKRnHslDsuGjQPofCrCoLE6jhI02vREITM5K+wppf9Zh5OMfhDMD7PwnI= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45ODAwMDAwMDQ0NGU2ZS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.85.171.149]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:08:50 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:08:45 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fD1zP-0007TU-OU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 06:08:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 07:08:43 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-Id: <20180430070843.6ddffc999f02d2fc9e1cc7d2@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180430052322.GA14629@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430052322.GA14629@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 06:08:57 -0000 On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:22 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > It surprises me however that nobody has stepped forward and said "I run > two local X-servers", or "I use user switching all the time with XXX" - > why is that? I don't do it now, but I have run multiple X servers using startx and switching with Alt-F., IIRC the only required magic was to give each server a distinct number. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 09:36:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9739BFC95E0 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot0-x233.google.com (mail-ot0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2050E6B385 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot0-x233.google.com with SMTP id t1-v6so8778360ott.13 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:36:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HmLAZE/EUeK8LQBMhg8iH0zw08zr0vyX5U5+dwisKE8=; b=Nt1LK7b6D6fKl8U3QwZcaVLHSMMXccaTdjzDOMAZk13ZAPOSZAMgSxL8w6F7FyRYrq clak4Zp2RMOnhx+SONS3OGcKtQxqtirFw3af0UOUVC40ZaHZ5DxzkfeUCF4rywzYkUIw kVSuC8eAxfAYV7wMEPu1e+HBouSUH0vDfdADg8cnowIwIeN7xr/PXrgW9uwr8poyOJgq I5y0jEmFz1TS+Cxb+iwKw/jLjGkjbZaicxouwC5C0/2TKYbsO1+B5SF5jX/jA44oapYh 6cTuIyIVJvrv6UrORS/tfIxzOFHBGB6SF+0FNFObu/jC/ZGxTabjqcHgTerMUWdHKjt0 pagg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HmLAZE/EUeK8LQBMhg8iH0zw08zr0vyX5U5+dwisKE8=; b=Eaydq+L5FNC476/YleGNzIGp2sI+DiNx9lUbWpe4Kn6YbCEGN0md1gXA4PYkoqc+iB YbZYwSPfgUo5BcjbHIDuaj7hUsaXNs+bEwiccOXo/rUXZHF+YB/aKdbDyMdLZExRVomx DGlkSE21vybpDacqn42HH5W4L0cuICxCSNpKd0x8b51c95D9ELy8m3UnWWQiL7B1+bfc xuLexpninACGHMH1EFGhWEmoNhSpSPfO2TX97AAQM8GjsgKIG7eC4xrtHZgguNt/f1jD XeaQMAzIxbGVC0H0fmKCaYM+4cLYEmjK4a0dnXfNteDqGkj5KhFOfZupqE2loJaxQfHi mgWA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tB53BAZ+Kr+k9Ymu6mGRBT9xXumFtBQ3WlJ2DGUOmj/dTl/DvOu hj2Avwo4X4x2e8cedB+ACbudtRP6WlmC4HjuVIE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZoexTyrRQtSgLGNWxhvN9m1QvHtJudU7nX3resFjyXX7weMGONlDhhxA9cmXJT7pHkca50Z/VPkTFIzrvTMfZ4= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:55cc:: with SMTP id z12-v6mr8158947oti.378.1525081003483; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:36:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.155.83 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Quickly and repeated adjusting system time To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:36:44 -0000 I have a program that fires events of at specific periodic (time of day, day of month, etc.) events and I need to test it's ability to correctly fire the events at the correct times. Thus I need a quick (and hopefully programmatic) way to set the system clock to an arbitary time (no need to mess with timezones). I know I can use date(1) but my gut says there has to be better way... Ideas? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 12:17:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033C9FA8698 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D70F6D007 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40002284; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:17:35 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3UCHXDY017321; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:17:34 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3UCHT1b017320; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:17:29 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:17:29 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180430121729.GA16523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430052322.GA14629@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070843.6ddffc999f02d2fc9e1cc7d2@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180430070843.6ddffc999f02d2fc9e1cc7d2@sohara.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:17:38 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > It surprises me however that nobody has stepped forward and said "I run > > two local X-servers", or "I use user switching all the time with XXX" - > > why is that? > > I don't do it now, but I have run multiple X servers using startx > and switching with Alt-F., IIRC the only required magic was to give each > server a distinct number. No, thanks, startx won't do, I need user authentication to access the session. I have tried running several local X-servers from xdm but for some reason the second server would not start. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 12:30:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024E9FA8FB1 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7850D71489 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1525091457; x=1527683457; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=U7SsHvILp3Vf6Kk2exmj1BKLRe4o0At+EWIrrWC1jEA=; b=wzk/lEvIii+Yv9SutEsQm4MT1wAz2QUX0f25mVibxvSmY3E3LMX9hS1pPMplPc8OyurxQ2P6HKrLFnvUYfpO/xFazu0jo+6LQWWtVEdtVABF6aq7y7HKfkfkppN379s8sYxxSfvqMl0SovnoLizj9Ixp6PInQzK+DfSg2U7PNEo= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45ODAwMDAwMDQ1YjQzNy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.186.235.111]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:30:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:30:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fD7wx-0009vG-6d; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:30:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:30:35 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-Id: <20180430133035.1991f048976d5c9eb7cc84fd@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180430121729.GA16523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430052322.GA14629@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070843.6ddffc999f02d2fc9e1cc7d2@sohara.org> <20180430121729.GA16523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:30:53 -0000 On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:17:29 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > > It surprises me however that nobody has stepped forward and said "I > > > run two local X-servers", or "I use user switching all the time with > > > XXX" - why is that? > > > > I don't do it now, but I have run multiple X servers using > > startx and switching with Alt-F., IIRC the only required magic was > > to give each server a distinct number. > > No, thanks, startx won't do, I need user authentication to access the > session. Yep I rather thought you would. > I have tried running several local X-servers from xdm but for some > reason the second server would not start. Even if you get it going (I'm sure it's possible just fiddly like anything with xdm) I'm pretty sure xdm will only authenticate at login time and you'll still be able to switch sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F without logging in unless something automatically locks the X session when you switch VTs (which isn't normal behaviour). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 13:10:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DDEFAA8AC for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81AA7A30F for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40002305; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:10:43 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3UDAgO1017674; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:10:42 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3UDAcIM017673; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:10:38 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:10:38 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180430131038.GA17639@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430052322.GA14629@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070843.6ddffc999f02d2fc9e1cc7d2@sohara.org> <20180430121729.GA16523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430133035.1991f048976d5c9eb7cc84fd@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180430133035.1991f048976d5c9eb7cc84fd@sohara.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:10:45 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > > > > It surprises me however that nobody has stepped forward and said "I > > > > run two local X-servers", or "I use user switching all the time with > > > > XXX" - why is that? > > > > > > I don't do it now, but I have run multiple X servers using > > > startx and switching with Alt-F., IIRC the only required magic was > > > to give each server a distinct number. > > > > No, thanks, startx won't do, I need user authentication to access the > > session. > > Yep I rather thought you would. > > > I have tried running several local X-servers from xdm but for some > > reason the second server would not start. > > Even if you get it going (I'm sure it's possible just fiddly like > anything with xdm) I'm pretty sure xdm will only authenticate at login time > and you'll still be able to switch sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F without > logging in unless something automatically locks the X session when you > switch VTs (which isn't normal behaviour). I see your point, and you are most probably right. From this point of view, there is no difference between two X-servers running from xdm, or from startx. I may as well use some password-protected screensaver (I think xlockmore can do that) starting after a timeout. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 14:37:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266ABFACE28 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD5EC6E800 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252966259E for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:29:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vtH-wfGrxSdG for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 277DA6241E for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:29:40 -0400 Message-ID: <71b67f79d405215f875f7fcd61913959.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:29:40 -0400 Subject: PHP and openssl From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:37:10 -0000 I am trying to get a Squirrelmail-1.4.23, running on FreeBSD-11.1 under Apache-2.4.33, to connect to our existing Cyrus-IMAP and SMTP services using TLS. Examination of the web service log files for ssh reveals these messages: [Mon Apr 30 09:10:22.510233 2018] [:error] [pid 75098] [client 192.168.209.44:36022] PHP Warning: fsockopen(): SSL operation failed with code 1. OpenSSL Error messages:\nerror:14090086:SSL routines:ssl3_get_server_certificate:certificate verify failed in /usr/local/www/squirrelmail/src/configtest.php on line 406 [Mon Apr 30 09:10:22.510311 2018] [:error] [pid 75098] [client 192.168.209.44:36022] PHP Warning: fsockopen(): Failed to enable crypto in /usr/local/www/squirrelmail/src/configtest.php on line 406 [Mon Apr 30 09:10:22.511594 2018] [:error] [pid 75098] [client 192.168.209.44:36022] PHP Warning: fsockopen(): unable to connect to ssl://inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:465 (Unknown error) in /usr/local/www/squirrelmail/src/configtest.php on line 406 Now, if I connect to inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:465 using openssl s_client I see this: openssl s_client -connect inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:465 CONNECTED(00000003) depth=2 CN = CA_HLL_ROOT_2016, ST = Ontario, O = Harte & Lyne Limited, OU = Networked Data Services, C = CA, DC = harte-lyne, DC = ca, L = Hamilton verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain --- Certificate chain 0 s:/CN=inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca/OU=Networked Data Services/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/L=Hamilton/ST=Ontario/C=CA/DC=hamilton/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca i:/CN=CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016/OU=Networked Data Services/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/L=Hamilton/ST=Ontario/C=CA/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca 1 s:/CN=CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016/OU=Networked Data Services/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/L=Hamilton/ST=Ontario/C=CA/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca i:/CN=CA_HLL_ROOT_2016/ST=Ontario/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/OU=Networked Data Services/C=CA/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca/L=Hamilton 2 s:/CN=CA_HLL_ROOT_2016/ST=Ontario/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/OU=Networked Data Services/C=CA/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca/L=Hamilton i:/CN=CA_HLL_ROOT_2016/ST=Ontario/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/OU=Networked Data Services/C=CA/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca/L=Hamilton . . . /CN=CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016/OU=Networked Data Services/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/L=Hamilton/ST=Ontario/C=CA/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca /CN=CA_HLL_ROOT_2016/ST=Ontario/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/OU=Networked Data Services/C=CA/DC=harte-lyne/DC=ca/L=Hamilton /CN=CA HLL ISSUER 01/OU=Networked Data Services/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/C=CA/ST=Ontario/L=Hamilton/DC=harte-lyne.ca /CN=CA HLL ROOT/OU=Networked Data Services/O=Harte & Lyne Limited/C=CA/ST=Ontario/L=Hamilton/DC=harte-lyne.ca Client Certificate Types: RSA sign, DSA sign, ECDSA sign Requested Signature Algorithms: RSA+SHA512:DSA+SHA512:ECDSA+SHA512:RSA+SHA384:DSA+SHA384:ECDSA+SHA384:RSA+SHA256:DSA+SHA256:ECDSA+SHA256:RSA+SHA224:DSA+SHA224:ECDSA+SHA224:RSA+SHA1:DSA+SHA1:ECDSA+SHA1 Shared Requested Signature Algorithms: RSA+SHA512:DSA+SHA512:ECDSA+SHA512:RSA+SHA384:DSA+SHA384:ECDSA+SHA384:RSA+SHA256:DSA+SHA256:ECDSA+SHA256:RSA+SHA224:DSA+SHA224:ECDSA+SHA224:RSA+SHA1:DSA+SHA1:ECDSA+SHA1 Peer signing digest: SHA512 Server Temp Key: ECDH, P-256, 256 bits --- SSL handshake has read 26264 bytes and written 445 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 Server public key is 4096 bit Secure Renegotiation IS supported Compression: NONE Expansion: NONE No ALPN negotiated SSL-Session: Protocol : TLSv1.2 Cipher : ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 Session-ID: E7DE228999475FBD23FB0B22AF334B6052C7BAA6355AAE7829D3C703762B7E43 Session-ID-ctx: Master-Key: 45424D86AE35120A190A5B7ECDA7F75D769A0CE0B5A59A051D8B87FCF94158A680F0F08533447B65DE4577EAA4422546 Key-Arg : None PSK identity: None PSK identity hint: None SRP username: None TLS session ticket lifetime hint: 7200 (seconds) TLS session ticket: . . . Start Time: 1525097083 Timeout : 300 (sec) Verify return code: 19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain) --- 220 inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ESMTP Postfix At which point I can manually issue an EHLO and connect. This indicates to me that the issue lies in one or more configuration issues relating to Apache-2.4, PHP-5.6 and Squirrelmail. The Squirrelmail SMTP and IMAP configurations of the service having problems are identical to those used by our existing and fully functioning Squirrelmail system. The message PHP Warning: fsockopen(): unable to connect to ssl://inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:465 (Unknown error) in /usr/local/www/squirrelmail/src/configtest.php on line 406 refers to this line of code: /usr/local/www/squirrelmail/src/configtest.php 405 $stream = fsockopen( ($use_smtp_tls?'ssl://':'').$smtpServerAddress, $smtpPort, 406 $errorNumber, $errorString); Which to me indicates that the issue is the call to fsockopen is the real issue. Researching this error leads to multiple reports of a php.ini configuration issue, but always with respect to MiscoSoft Windows. I have verified that the necessary php module is installed: # pkg search openssl | grep php php56-openssl-5.6.35 The openssl shared extension for php php70-openssl-7.0.29 The openssl shared extension for php php71-openssl-7.1.16 The openssl shared extension for php php72-openssl-7.2.4 The openssl shared extension for php # pkg info php56-openssl php56-openssl-5.6.35 Name : php56-openssl Version : 5.6.35 Installed on : Wed Apr 11 10:36:37 2018 EDT . . . Other than for Windows systems there seem to be no specific configuration options for openssl inside /usr/local/etc/php.ini. Likewise, the contents of /usr/local/etc/apache24/Includes/php.conf make no reference to openssl Has anyone any ideas on how to solve this issue? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 15:53:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C244FAEE22 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 15:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E59E811FA for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 15:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9AD62593; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:53:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0ggQx1udyIO; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DC6462592; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:53:07 -0400 Message-ID: <9cc5b028f03468990b47598a37793908.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <16743.205.237.194.3.1525102199.squirrel@beta.mxes.net> References: <71b67f79d405215f875f7fcd61913959.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <16743.205.237.194.3.1525102199.squirrel@beta.mxes.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:53:07 -0400 Subject: Re: PHP and openssl From: "James B. Byrne" To: "John Capo" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 15:53:13 -0000 On Mon, April 30, 2018 11:29, John Capo wrote: > Hi James, > > Sorry I can't be of help on the SSL issue, my servers that > Squirrelmail connects to are > all inside my network and are not using SSL. > > But, where did you get Squirrelmail-1.4.23? 1.4.22 is the last I can > find. > > Regards, > John Capo > The ports pkg: pkg info squirrelmail squirrelmail-20170705 Name : squirrelmail Version : 20170705 Shows this on the login page: SquirrelMail version 1.4.23 [SVN] By the SquirrelMail Project Team -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 16:28:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B07FAFD8D for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from mx2.webtent.net (mx2.webtent.net [216.139.202.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064916A36C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTP id 53EF4D7E60 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59215-08 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (media.rfitz.com [96.254.71.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: robert@mx2.webtent.net) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTPSA id D95ABD7DED for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5AE7443F.3020803@webtent.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:28:47 -0400 From: Robert Fitzpatrick User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.25 (Windows/20180328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Restoring bootcode References: <5AE5F327.3050702@webtent.org> <20180429230540.c93489c9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180429230540.c93489c9.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:28:49 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > As this seems to be a MBR setup, the commands should probably be: > > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ada0 > # gpart set -a active -i 1 ada0 > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot ada0s1 Didn't work, I failed to post the messages received before kicking out to the OK loader prompt. I'm seeing this... can't open 'boot/menu.4th': no such file or directory Error while including /boot/menu.rc, in the line: include /boot/menu.4th \ can't load 'kernel' I can see that menu.4th is not in the /boot directory. I do see the below in my menu.rc, all of the files are present in /boot except the menu.4th and menu-commands.4th. The only file in the /boot folder starting with menu is the menu.rc. \ Load required Forth modules include /boot/version.4th include /boot/brand.4th include /boot/menu.4th include /boot/menu-commands.4th include /boot/shortcuts.4th -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 18:42:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DFFFB32A9 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51D2085B0B for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MT86g-1el4TL3U8M-00S7Rq; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:41:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:41:57 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Fitzpatrick Cc: Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Restoring bootcode Message-Id: <20180430204157.95bc21ff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5AE7443F.3020803@webtent.org> References: <5AE5F327.3050702@webtent.org> <20180429230540.c93489c9.freebsd@edvax.de> <5AE7443F.3020803@webtent.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:WJ4Gwsi4VjJakCVdqkDxwyHhHdT5M/pXXXhx8xYqdy/TgbTWJ1H gjNVqTegX1KnbSrHLCGkJbl3Fz8vhAnyJhP8KtervaU0JDN+AvsDUG8nZv5MvL3QQr/85G/ 6AvutJpThiCaxjkExa6fhaxikGLGd4ahrGHTt7YfQMk0yS1T2UG1vTOu6o4MAPd2zdmz7B3 HDOuBei7iJJT0up25ZkHA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:VvgCx9JHeIU=:d9VvY70tdpk5TW0z90oFXN SCuMLl5NjzPJQac0Xac6zD2tL9NOXYV+e0SuEb/zHUs7ch/HjeMoszr84DyW37aQ42POraaPV G6yJ1Hl43nIcLNIngUjOQUTjIgNEhG3ZaPx9qscyXbpInCX9O48d9/KNBUKtdU3C5QlCUVE6l EP8k+D5Jd/0O/soBsRs/hgwy59hZTFRcUiXAU5HNoa7nZhopvwZEYTDRXw6vAKg8MtV8y5D1y hX1aAFYJsSom30G0vwHbVMCLtX1Z84l4WR/sY6Q75+8ntsydfvErH3VED9h7lnJFu5l7PDvqZ PSAU+r7jCYRdAiJExb/wn/M+gnX11yWpXsCRbTnjt85ZRpcicWlUkJvPclsU5oqwlk29nWqxc wgyhCaSgWW1e4c6N/lR23gkqmyShLlxypPRsNATfkhROnfUB+fmpUnfH+/XAlbEgSK2dPDuNJ +iYcn97dm1JyZlsJ/PlAR/DfTviF/NuqEkTJnMZY0VbMgJn4AoG3k096INSazBIxGuE6VVkAR TIHZNIFS5fLU5+Kx+/cKupwJeS1TCKbyrauf6wucLRNAdqK44+Dzx+4AHgU6H4LZPVM9m4+xr LvkZ2zaLtHKefgHIXUztQ3I65sEt2jPy0KKgq0E6KviaxErgckYkXx4ii+mQhyFn0an51efnf iVdxBuhkZsm9w8WEIqAqJJL8N0JZ3Gizj5/olSbXy7iYn6iMdz6ouMJdy3lWdDFE7itrqIP2t KdTDvjU/ZsD3m+RI X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:42:05 -0000 On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:28:47 -0400, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > As this seems to be a MBR setup, the commands should probably be: > > > > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ada0 > > # gpart set -a active -i 1 ada0 > > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot ada0s1 > > Didn't work, I failed to post the messages received before kicking out > to the OK loader prompt. I'm seeing this... > > can't open 'boot/menu.4th': no such file or directory > Error while including /boot/menu.rc, in the line: > include /boot/menu.4th > \ > can't load 'kernel' This shows that a file required for boot isn't there, but this has nothing to do with the MBR stage. It's related to what files need to be present in /boot (usually on /dev/ada0s1a, if no specific separate boot partition has been created). > I can see that menu.4th is not in the /boot directory. I do see the > below in my menu.rc, all of the files are present in /boot except the > menu.4th and menu-commands.4th. The only file in the /boot folder > starting with menu is the menu.rc. > > \ Load required Forth modules > include /boot/version.4th > include /boot/brand.4th > include /boot/menu.4th > include /boot/menu-commands.4th > include /boot/shortcuts.4th This indicates your /boot directory's content is damaged. You proably need to reinstall its content from source, or hope a freebsd-update will bring it back. The easiest way to get the file probably is to copy it from the source directory to /boot manually (directly from its location in /usr/src). See "man 8 menu.4th" for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 20:26:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B9DFB5D0D for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) Received: from pmta11.teksavvy.com (pmta11.teksavvy.com [76.10.157.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.teksavvy.com", Issuer "DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB1607E3B5 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2F4SAC3euda/0StpUVcGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYINgTYpOAN3KINsiGCMHQFKBQF6CB0EMQFdgk+SAi8MCxgPB4Q?= =?us-ascii?q?+AoJzIjgUAQIBAQEBAQECAgJoHAxCDAEIAYIMBEtbAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEcA?= =?us-ascii?q?ggFSQEBGQEBAQMBIhUeMwsYAgImAgIoER4HDAgBAYR+DQ+nZYIchFiDa4JHE3a?= =?us-ascii?q?IGYEHgQ8jDIJcgxEDAQEXgR8ngwCCVAKHKoYFimMHAQKFYoUMg1WBd4VOD4UJi?= =?us-ascii?q?TyECIJsDIElMyKBUh9cUhCCJgmCFxeCcVSFFIVaIzABiBaDP4FLgkYBAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2F4SAC3euda/0StpUVcGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQcBAQEBAYI?= =?us-ascii?q?NgTYpOAN3KINsiGCMHQFKBQF6CB0EMQFdgk+SAi8MCxgPB4Q+AoJzIjgUAQIBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQECAgJoHAxCDAEIAYIMBEtbAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEcAggFSQEBGQEBAQM?= =?us-ascii?q?BIhUeMwsYAgImAgIoER4HDAgBAYR+DQ+nZYIchFiDa4JHE3aIGYEHgQ8jDIJcg?= =?us-ascii?q?xEDAQEXgR8ngwCCVAKHKoYFimMHAQKFYoUMg1WBd4VOD4UJiTyECIJsDIElMyK?= =?us-ascii?q?BUh9cUhCCJgmCFxeCcVSFFIVaIzABiBaDP4FLgkYBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.49,348,1520913600"; d="scan'208";a="30885585" Received: from 69-165-173-68.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO mail.razorfever.net) ([69.165.173.68]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 30 Apr 2018 16:26:03 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4]) by mail.razorfever.net (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id w3UKPwMg084231; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:26:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from 482254ac@razorfever.net) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.razorfever.net: Host mail.razorfever.net [192.168.0.4] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: Re: PHP and openssl To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <71b67f79d405215f875f7fcd61913959.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: "Derek (freebsd lists)" <482254ac@razorfever.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:25:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <71b67f79d405215f875f7fcd61913959.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.razorfever.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 20:26:11 -0000 On 18-04-30 10:29 AM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I am trying to get a Squirrelmail-1.4.23, running on FreeBSD-11.1 > under Apache-2.4.33, to connect to our existing Cyrus-IMAP and SMTP > services using TLS. Examination of the web service log files for ssh > reveals these messages: > > [Mon Apr 30 09:10:22.510233 2018] [:error] [pid 75098] [client > 192.168.209.44:36022] PHP Warning: fsockopen(): SSL operation failed > with code 1. OpenSSL Error messages:\nerror:14090086:SSL > routines:ssl3_get_server_certificate:certificate verify failed in > /usr/local/www/squirrelmail/src/configtest.php on line 406 > ... > > Now, if I connect to inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:465 using openssl > s_client I see this: > > openssl s_client -connect inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca:465 > CONNECTED(00000003) > depth=2 CN = CA_HLL_ROOT_2016, ST = Ontario, O = Harte & Lyne Limited, > OU = Networked Data Services, C = CA, DC = harte-lyne, DC = ca, L = > Hamilton > verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain > --- This looks to me like you don't have your custom CA (or cert) in your certificate chain. You might have the option to disable strict checking, but better - install custom certificate in the machine. This thread seems relevant: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2015-March/264652.html or this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41772340/how-do-i-add-a-certificate-authority-to-php-so-the-file-function-trusts-certif?rq=1 Hope that helps! Derek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 21:00:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4C2FB688C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from mx2.webtent.net (mx2.webtent.net [216.139.202.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9E684303 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTP id D9AC5D7F1E for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 70944-09 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (media.rfitz.com [96.254.71.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: robert@mx2.webtent.net) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTPSA id 5EF2ED7F57 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:00:02 -0400 From: Robert Fitzpatrick User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.25 (Windows/20180328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:00:11 -0000 I did a freebsd-update fetch install on 10.4 and then the standard upgrade to 11-RELEASE p9 with no problems. Now I'm ready to run upgrade all the ports and did a portsnap fetch update first, but this doesn't look right: root@dev:~ # portupgrade -a [Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 150 packages found - done] ** Port marked as IGNORE: www/apache24: Invalid perl5 version 5.18 ** Port marked as IGNORE: textproc/aspell: Invalid perl5 version 5.18 ... Getting the Invalid perl5 for all the packages, I tried doing pkg upgrade perl5 and ended up adding /usr/local/bin/perl and the ports still looking at perl5.18 in /usr/bin/perl. Have I done something wrong or need to handle Perl separate first? -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 21:10:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD9BFB6F12 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 792EA87189 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C062581; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:10:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eAHdneXmH-eI; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75F9462577; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:10:30 -0400 Message-ID: <956fadcbc367cb03c9ad5e3d840f4360.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: <71b67f79d405215f875f7fcd61913959.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:10:30 -0400 Subject: Re: PHP and openssl From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Derek (freebsd lists)" <482254ac@razorfever.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:10:35 -0000 On Mon, April 30, 2018 16:25, Derek (freebsd lists) wrote: > > This looks to me like you don't have your custom CA (or cert) in > your certificate chain. > That indeed proved to be the problem. The ca-bundle.crt that I through was being used was not. And the one that was did not contain the required CA certificate. Of course every time I looked at THE ca-bundle.crt it was there. But I was looking in the wrong place. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Have I done something > wrong or need to handle Perl separate first? >=20 Default PERL version changed. So you have to upgrade to default PERL version which is 5.26. The long and short of it you have solve that problem by handling PERL as a stand alone upgrade.=20 I do upgrade all installed ports by deleting them first and installing them again on major upgrades --=20 G=F6k=FEin Akdeniz --Signature=_Tue__1_May_2018_00_14_07_+0300_2LLtYOySorhQ4lXl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEDk27rSxW1VPCLBuSPewIxguVlrAFAlrnhx8ACgkQPewIxguV lrAamw/+LYqgv90GT4qADdN+URWQ78uzL1gLwvq6GP/Fk+VrhekHSmBP1eEOO+L/ HjmReUTBSjfHSh0/CzWj0u4ecVplMSrw8u/8Cz3RLgc4dUirKN1JZE2y3rvE+MxL XGZ/ZIagzNHMu9/ru9QRHqNe/J65LdvgG889K/t8jNgGYZxYuVz1EN8GJ8V3RKdc nqjUXuogvkloGP+GICQcmhVJ/5W8el9enycEk4K6woY/U9rjcfy1wAW13Fy1j9pU HecNHXR38B0CJf0P2ILYcO4zzTmJn+5xfndHrKdaswWLTB05foJB1lhehaCpgaCF Uk8zrYFT0OdXPR39nnwddjNcwocJvIfzFqdOO5ygeNXsdR5ecxOWSBdlmmeVN/az TLR4ZoSi/8fmKEdBes6VGjDz2IxLnZlc84/mbL+gvjHG1Eurv9t93S8OgvCxuOTQ 0ppDenUPpQ05FI7rj5X4FtNpwAZxkCCSBqWi5od9mJGjeOu+wEzopWdmtXCYQ9R0 +4QN5If4Kk2jx3u9cdwVu1IppdgFng0nvgWVl0zhpmDfdw921dP0uo3Zv27UZFfO DNfOXOjnXQnVRUVWPP85/YBdLll17Zryuw3C9XhMbVvUqgOCzbXeDdLxGI8aU2OS c22YR/vvtFR0UH1NkikTeVFPnnG6BcSODkuy2JS7AcHE2toKimg= =l2Ss -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__1_May_2018_00_14_07_+0300_2LLtYOySorhQ4lXl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 21:18:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69ADFB72F3 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from mx2.webtent.net (mx2.webtent.net [216.139.202.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C830691E1 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTP id A5ED5D7E9E; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71952-07; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (media.rfitz.com [96.254.71.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: robert@mx2.webtent.net) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTPSA id 26E1BD7EAF; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:46 -0400 From: Robert Fitzpatrick User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.25 (Windows/20180328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:18:51 -0000 Gökşin Akdeniz wrote: > I do upgrade all installed ports by deleting them first and > installing them again on major upgrades Yes, I was just thinking of doing. I moved old perl out of the way and created a sym link to the new version in /usr/local/bin and now have portupgrade working normally. Showing many packages deleted of course. Is there a way to delete and put back all the packages currently installed? -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 06:23:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00909FA6336 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 06:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BA9387391 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 06:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1525155812; x=1527747812; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=AVddlBjPJV34l3C7LZ+WmqTOLymTOEPHDRqUmeTlcak=; b=Ff4vIBpwJB6/TCt9/odDmR0ms/yw1QsRYVXaecFonLoxGEAdnm0axco4WZnAiLSCzNFmnNbAKUwRhFlG5pngZXtvJItqPrb9mLSGLu2YV5Kqne8uS5ih6smhWWR4eI4153RR7Bn/R36ZEoqE0bgAOKEYb4DInBwvRTe2yes6bVQ= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45ODAwMDAwMDRiYmYxYS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.5.202.82]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 02:23:15 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 02:23:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fDOgr-000IFo-RY; Tue, 01 May 2018 06:23:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 07:23:05 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Robert Fitzpatrick Cc: Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions , goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 Message-Id: <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 06:23:28 -0000 On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:46 -0400 Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: > Is there a way to delete and put back all the packages currently > installed? Here's one way using the handy pkg leaf alias to get packages with no dependencies. pkg leaf > my_packages pkg delete -a pkg install `cat my_packages` If my_packages is large you may need to use xargs instead of backticks. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 08:08:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398A3FB5D9E for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 08:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=x6fh=hu=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06F2813E0 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 08:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=x6fh=hu=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40Zv3X5Vc2z2fjRk; Tue, 1 May 2018 01:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 01:00:40 -0700 Cc: Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4859E693-65B7-4844-B1D7-96C2CA570477@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> To: Steve O'Hara-Smith X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 08:08:05 -0000 > On 30 April 2018, at 23:23, Steve O'Hara-Smith = wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:46 -0400 > Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions = > wrote: >=20 >> Is there a way to delete and put back all the packages currently >> installed? >=20 > Here's one way using the handy pkg leaf alias to get packages = with > no dependencies. >=20 > pkg leaf > my_packages > pkg delete -a > pkg install `cat my_packages` >=20 > If my_packages is large you may need to use xargs instead of > backticks. Interesting. The leaf command is not documented in the -l list or in = the man page. However, it works just as described above. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 09:44:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BAFFC2607 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 09:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D448755C7 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 09:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1525167857; x=1527759857; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=ac52PQJZQv5NnJfDDLOB1Gep2BhLdCAlZC2txwxX6jM=; b=w7NozW4gr4d2u2sqZ7wSkBwCnqJQ9rgns84LPN/cqN0zKDKolpv1WCdzUtovRkDfyd9fh3YiVukwCZOADVTOKaHeBlgJT+iPKMaq0A4gg6hhDmySh1XtfeJzNs48u2EuoJTqzqAaoWSK0d7Gd32Q1uPq81fxZb8ZtVVG1/pqScA= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45ODAwMDAwMDRjMGNiMi5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r4.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r4.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.149.236.199]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 05:44:08 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 05:44:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fDRpL-000JLB-92; Tue, 01 May 2018 09:44:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 10:44:03 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Doug Hardie Cc: Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 Message-Id: <20180501104403.ef13e3663e7e6993f7c069ed@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <4859E693-65B7-4844-B1D7-96C2CA570477@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> <4859E693-65B7-4844-B1D7-96C2CA570477@mail.sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 09:44:18 -0000 On Tue, 1 May 2018 01:00:40 -0700 Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 30 April 2018, at 23:23, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:46 -0400 > > Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions > > wrote: > > > >> Is there a way to delete and put back all the packages currently > >> installed? > > > > Here's one way using the handy pkg leaf alias to get packages > > with no dependencies. > > > > pkg leaf > my_packages > > pkg delete -a > > pkg install `cat my_packages` > > > > If my_packages is large you may need to use xargs instead of > > backticks. > > Interesting. The leaf command is not documented in the -l list or in the > man page. However, it works just as described above. This is why $ pkg help leaf `leaf` is an alias to `query -e '%#r == 0' '%n-%v'` There's a bunch of handy aliases defined in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 10:13:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C96FC5670 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 10:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED5127B07F for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 10:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w41ADW6v031358 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 12:13:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w41ADWl0031354 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 12:13:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 12:13:31 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 In-Reply-To: <4859E693-65B7-4844-B1D7-96C2CA570477@mail.sermon-archive.info> Message-ID: References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> <4859E693-65B7-4844-B1D7-96C2CA570477@mail.sermon-archive.info> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.999 (BSF 260 2018-02-26) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 10:13:38 -0000 On Tue, 1 May 2018 01:00-0700, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 30 April 2018, at 23:23, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > pkg leaf > my_packages > > Interesting. The leaf command is not documented in the -l list or in the man page. However, it works just as described above. Have a look at /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 11:29:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED63FA893B for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 11:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from mx2.webtent.net (mx2.webtent.net [216.139.202.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928776DC15 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 11:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTP id 23FBBD7D5A; Tue, 1 May 2018 07:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02865-02; Tue, 1 May 2018 07:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (media.rfitz.com [96.254.71.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: robert@mx2.webtent.net) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTPSA id 5F0F2D7979; Tue, 1 May 2018 07:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5AE84F94.2050604@webtent.org> Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 07:29:24 -0400 From: Robert Fitzpatrick User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.25 (Windows/20180328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve O'Hara-Smith CC: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 11:29:27 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:46 -0400 > Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions > wrote: > >> Is there a way to delete and put back all the packages currently >> installed? > > Here's one way using the handy pkg leaf alias to get packages with > no dependencies. > > pkg leaf> my_packages > pkg delete -a > pkg install `cat my_packages` > > If my_packages is large you may need to use xargs instead of > backticks. > The pkg leaf doesn't seem to list all installed packages. It does not list apache24 or aspell or autoconf and more. At first I thought it was not listing packages not found in ports, but I see mysql51-server-5.1.73_2 on the list. -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 11:44:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7BAFA8E58 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 11:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 526DF70A76 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 11:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1525175041; x=1527767041; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=8W+AhoVzKi7WiUvYd/awzd/C17tEvd3Rb4blrDQuyWY=; b=hjfoGnd0iaDunLoIIuWb3AlTM7Ap1XWdwUVkOqPxxfMa3KGZwf7uySYWJQOjaAl7EQE6T2WQY1v+t5ZmTLumyALdCYrDlDbaZDbQRTmuj7cBO2CsfGaTfWl92Rt376OX7sgaVXnpHQf1o3iJU4SogqsnXGqbkb3lXfmdlIs16Co= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45ODAwMDAwMDRjNzYwOC5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.85.171.149]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 07:43:57 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 07:43:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fDThI-000K7a-NV; Tue, 01 May 2018 11:43:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 12:43:52 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Robert Fitzpatrick Cc: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 Message-Id: <20180501124352.9fd8fc6df7ee54537e25d25f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5AE84F94.2050604@webtent.org> References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> <5AE84F94.2050604@webtent.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 11:44:01 -0000 On Tue, 01 May 2018 07:29:24 -0400 Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:46 -0400 > > Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions > > wrote: > > > >> Is there a way to delete and put back all the packages currently > >> installed? > > > > Here's one way using the handy pkg leaf alias to get packages > > with no dependencies. > > > > pkg leaf> my_packages > > pkg delete -a > > pkg install `cat my_packages` > > > > If my_packages is large you may need to use xargs instead of > > backticks. > > > > The pkg leaf doesn't seem to list all installed packages. It does not > list apache24 or aspell or autoconf and more. At first I thought it was > not listing packages not found in ports, but I see > mysql51-server-5.1.73_2 on the list. It only shows packages with no dependents thus leaving out packages that satisfy a dependency. Try pkg info -r on the ones you're not seeing and see if that doesn't lead you to something in the list. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 12:38:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F6EFAAACE for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 12:38:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from mx2.webtent.net (mx2.webtent.net [216.139.202.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C062C7BEFE for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 12:38:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTP id DDEE1D7EA1; Tue, 1 May 2018 08:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05645-03; Tue, 1 May 2018 08:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (media.rfitz.com [96.254.71.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: robert@mx2.webtent.net) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTPSA id 52A44D7E9E; Tue, 1 May 2018 08:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5AE85FB1.2050409@webtent.org> Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 08:38:09 -0400 From: Robert Fitzpatrick User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.25 (Windows/20180328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve O'Hara-Smith CC: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> <5AE84F94.2050604@webtent.org> <20180501124352.9fd8fc6df7ee54537e25d25f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180501124352.9fd8fc6df7ee54537e25d25f@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 12:38:13 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Tue, 01 May 2018 07:29:24 -0400 > Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:18:46 -0400 >>> Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a way to delete and put back all the packages currently >>>> installed? >>> Here's one way using the handy pkg leaf alias to get packages >>> with no dependencies. >>> >>> pkg leaf> my_packages >>> pkg delete -a >>> pkg install `cat my_packages` >>> >>> If my_packages is large you may need to use xargs instead of >>> backticks. >>> >> The pkg leaf doesn't seem to list all installed packages. It does not >> list apache24 or aspell or autoconf and more. At first I thought it was >> not listing packages not found in ports, but I see >> mysql51-server-5.1.73_2 on the list. > > It only shows packages with no dependents thus leaving out packages > that satisfy a dependency. Try pkg info -r on the ones you're not seeing > and see if that doesn't lead you to something in the list. > Very good, yes they do. When running the pkg install against my saved list, it get kicked out on the first one. Do I need to remove the versions from the list of packages? root@dev:~ # pkg install `cat installed_packages` Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... Fetching meta.txz: 100% 944 B 0.9kB/s 00:01 Fetching packagesite.txz: 100% 6 MiB 6.4MB/s 00:01 Processing entries: 100% FreeBSD repository update completed. 31149 packages processed. All repositories are up to date. pkg: No packages available to install matching 'automake-1.14_1' have been found in the repositories -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 12:50:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1353FAAE03 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 12:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 635007EA41 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 12:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1525179020; x=1527771020; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=THBzciw3HElu57EiCznGE3bq04oRPXtcnMeBduD6CIA=; b=H2hIv3G+6y0xtkABxzftp/2ynxY4ne+OP4cXfpzRKTDs4X7PdApbpV9GCa9i0TVfUPIFSDC1EyB9K8RzZZDwMh+HMWFock50nu1IJW6+HtIAelxxrC91s0BvzEyr4wz1sVI8GSXj89WWkNqLnWoVlA51FrfOQOSU2dpOnbQxmm0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45ODAwMDAwMDRjZTljNi5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.165.229.15]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 08:50:16 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 1 May 2018 08:50:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fDUjQ-000KVM-95; Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 13:50:08 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Robert Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 Message-Id: <20180501135008.1c206250fca887ecc7b8bdce@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5AE85FB1.2050409@webtent.org> References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> <5AE78836.30106@webtent.org> <20180501072305.faafbe6cf2a13d3e24156568@sohara.org> <5AE84F94.2050604@webtent.org> <20180501124352.9fd8fc6df7ee54537e25d25f@sohara.org> <5AE85FB1.2050409@webtent.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50:20 -0000 On Tue, 01 May 2018 08:38:09 -0400 Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: > Very good, yes they do. When running the pkg install against my saved > list, it get kicked out on the first one. Do I need to remove the > versions from the list of packages? It would help if they change - sorry it's been a while since I last did this. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 13:35:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D34FAC176 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 13:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A118A86359 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 13:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96F721CE5 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 09:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 01 May 2018 09:35:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=F0p4ACyQmkU08HSfrYku7N8ADy19I F7yYqYW7+RlBwE=; b=P9kGpJXNXGyLbPXcnh5L027qzvRpzxWiKxnEJTaj4rVAV XGmpZvzMd46LGZguk1rCvSVhZ091BcptZEC5zLH31UXnh//TVCtGBKBddegmLWXg hy0P1J7n18MmyNLzAZGyLqbE6bXNXNB4cHBcXiagsI+DWQ3mm8QRxgGFspVaDjge WDIlSFXEU+93y9GJ02KVF4b0WDTKl3ZY26w/Cxo2RRmuzCeEaGROT//PmzvqXcwR sROYGCLBbedBiUkdwdWZ8QRQLeQJ8sg0xObkkQOePyR8q5R6qiKAxb4rlF82dSFD f/tXJuz0SX371TE7PJyRQu+bJHKgKDJFFWFPbQfIg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=F0p4AC yQmkU08HSfrYku7N8ADy19IF7yYqYW7+RlBwE=; b=jzj6lSm2muwlly4ooaL7UJ FqnQLh7m5aAKdKn+OszIAw2zPm35NeF032CyVczXQQF2Gh2/dWcUnbUhfvLbtuQr A7sIRMczPw9Tl6I7C+iDE3BSGsQF+YuAuma4SNFA5++LpOZvv8vbCj5b1Qd/yDJe i3nADiMwF6I4oR/rRhTiqwl6paj7agxndHarO05VdgP1nihOWwgNr0BHwONOQy9G XJLtT42G4cS2xO1a7HYHOqvY5M93Q2Er5ghEOqhw4BfcGzfxGInkDAk/MskAFsJB +1HJ6XuCIbZXbhrd3fkHs3AeIt/T0jytjbSgT1sxDQ/4InLl5+HWhs2wGJCp+4XQ == X-ME-Sender: Received: from desktop.local (parsley.growveg.org [82.70.91.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 629001038E for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 09:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: tech-lists Organization: none Message-ID: <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 14:35:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 13:35:08 -0000 On 29/04/2018 15:02, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > Ubuntu or Windows). > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > cannot do that). > > Thanks in advance for any input. > I use xdm with xfce4 for this. -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 1 16:58:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E6BFB07CB for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 16:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE8A672AC8 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 16:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id p5-v6so11323421wre.12 for ; Tue, 01 May 2018 09:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TPtXhcr33xvtjBvLz3g0MoYF0DJDt1XoAVvOHpdI2EY=; b=nCNEQ+peE677B2DK4Cm9HlzBN64xo63U9IrQueDuH4AGZiR6LooIApny3ymEajj21A bUPFFEC/gH+4vWV13HpL6e4m8TU37BanOdSRns5SEro0S8dGZMzBdwOzqJ6pjaMtYq0k Z959JMrq7Bm21rQBsv8bOBlkkyz4nJPKGT0VeV71Uo/txbqCV2zXlVFjqTDmRJHUACvw ALf1bRzhhkwYZMKhN4v0MToJ0OdB8quk2o26583FkXjbHgJk3iC8sXjmYxKpYrPxjITd mRqALPTj50sZVv/FvG9ivHL66jRfL1qdiX6IAs1Y9bRAapgCbKGxd5Q4BrqFurAXow3/ fZuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBnUNEIY2GjXz6yD//lYp+kuir3JkoP9O1EFYBWE7SZM6GcSVTP ttg9vd+EnceBg+MsZj0evYeEgQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZr3H/QQeb4uI2BEcUNMk9uizmAa5FqgP57DRSsgEGcXsSJY9/0bmrNNq22aARyVBRpu/Cnufw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:bd03:: with SMTP id j3-v6mr13526398wrh.138.1525193912600; Tue, 01 May 2018 09:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.221.67.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d17-v6sm2030071wrc.0.2018.05.01.09.58.31 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 01 May 2018 09:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 17:58:28 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading 10.4 to 11.1 Message-ID: <20180501175828.49a07cf8@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> References: <5AE783D2.40004@webtent.org> <20180501001407.7752facafb7593fd6aa252c1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 16:58:34 -0000 On Tue, 1 May 2018 00:14:07 +0300 G=C3=B6k=C5=9Fin Akdeniz wrote: > Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:00:02 -0400 tarihinde > Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions > yazm=C4=B1=C5=9F: >=20 > > root@dev:~ # portupgrade -a > > [Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 150 packages found - done] > > ** Port marked as IGNORE: www/apache24: > > Invalid perl5 version 5.18 > > ** Port marked as IGNORE: textproc/aspell: > > Invalid perl5 version 5.18 > > ... > >=20 > > Getting the Invalid perl5 for all the packages, I tried doing pkg=20 > > upgrade perl5 and ended up adding /usr/local/bin/perl and the ports=20 > > still looking at perl5.18 in /usr/bin/perl. Have I done something > > wrong or need to handle Perl separate first? > > =20 > Default PERL version changed. So you have to upgrade to default PERL > version which is 5.26.=20 Aside from the perl problem, "portupgrade -a" probably wont work anyway because portupgrade doesn't supports flavors From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 2 00:16:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD384FBBD9D for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 00:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wa5qjh@xmission.com) Received: from out03.mta.xmission.com (out03.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F036783F7 for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 00:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wa5qjh@xmission.com) Received: from in02.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.52]) by out03.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1fDeBt-0000Pb-R2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; 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FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US X-XM-SPF: eid=1fDeBg-0001ob-54; ; ; mid=; ; ; hst=in02.mta.xmission.com; ; ; ip=175.158.225.219; ; ; frm=wa5qjh@xmission.com; ; ; spf=neutral X-XM-AID: U2FsdGVkX183+EFszWekd1ESgy2WBcZx X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 175.158.225.219 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: wa5qjh@xmission.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on sa04.xmission.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50, DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG,XMNumbers autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Report: * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP * 0.0 T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG BODY: No description available. * 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% * [score: 0.5000] * -0.0 DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE Not listed in DCC * [sa04 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1] * 1.0 XMNumbers Suspicious email with numbers in From & Subject X-Spam-DCC: XMission; sa04 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Combo: ;freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Timing: total 1604 ms - load_scoreonly_sql: 0.05 (0.0%), signal_user_changed: 5 (0.3%), b_tie_ro: 4.2 (0.3%), parse: 1.36 (0.1%), extract_message_metadata: 4.1 (0.3%), get_uri_detail_list: 0.96 (0.1%), tests_pri_-1000: 3.5 (0.2%), tests_pri_-950: 1.38 (0.1%), tests_pri_-900: 1.13 (0.1%), tests_pri_-400: 23 (1.4%), check_bayes: 21 (1.3%), b_tokenize: 7 (0.4%), b_tok_get_all: 7 (0.4%), b_comp_prob: 2.1 (0.1%), b_tok_touch_all: 2.4 (0.1%), b_finish: 0.61 (0.0%), tests_pri_0: 1547 (96.4%), check_dkim_signature: 0.62 (0.0%), check_dkim_adsp: 1347 (84.0%), tests_pri_500: 8 (0.5%), rewrite_mail: 0.00 (0.0%) Subject: Re: upgrade of firefox from v54 to v59 hosed up X-Spam-Flag: No X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Thu, 05 May 2016 13:38:54 -0600) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on in02.mta.xmission.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 00:16:37 -0000 I didnt need to do a source upgrade because the~=C2=A0 sudo pkg upgrade -= y firefox did work but it sucked in a long list of other things it wanted to upgrade, delete,install as well, including QT5-gui perl5.26 and qtcreator among them. That qtcreator is proving very problematic as apparently there isnt one adjusted for qt5-5.9.4 yet. , just qt5-4.7.1. so i tried to go and build that. didnt work out so well yet. I've only got a intel core i3 motherboard and after a bit of compiling FreeBSD froze up solid. no cursor movement nothing moving in gkrellm2, nothing except did see disk activity periodically. after an hour or so waiting to see if it would finally finish,=C2=A0 I gave up, rebooted, and havent yet gotten back=C2=A0= to trying again. not the first time things have frozen during a build, either. tried telegram-desktop few days earlier. that time, after rebooting,=C2=A0 i tried again. same freeze-up. --=20 Gary Corell Ya gotta think time beyond the end of your nose. 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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: ClueGetter at submission4.mail.transip.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=transip-a; d=julf.com; t=1525253438; h=from:reply-to:subject:to:cc: references:in-reply-to:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=xt9Kk1oZlX/0AgtPqEDSgL6w1msa6tSqsAXTMII9AVQ=; b=MJ5sZNG0ig551/ytgOs0wfC+2+neJTZQfjYTY+Lg4lSeUPTx3YP+sVZ5EUXIV1nGsNZYkd S+xbd8RX9C+zj3/ATo1czxe+bOIYHQP2bTZFqYi9+a4J4Ju/ezkJpDd3LO+hG+76gqL9be XkD8zGAkfxgnyC4KQJ2+ddRhrznotqDGXwqLRUA+7X6xoFiRZMMs8n/3s52qrRd6mCIKT7 P8n+nYgDqCta8dBU3QY8zDeEW7htvvUwZjlDPxJq+1ncI1cVbHhYiJie1jQYayyGEnDhBo OeCdaf5UASIFhr3ecLOy7Vl8iv9AAHi/eAgzFiT8p/+IVNKC7HCoZMS4kw0Utw== X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@transip.nl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 09:30:43 -0000 Can anyone explain this behavior: # freebsd-version 11.1-RELEASE-p9 # mount | grep storage zroot/home/storage on /usr/home/storage (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) zroot/home/storage/backup on /usr/home/storage/backup (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) # df | grep storage zroot/home/storage 21241268134 13341350980 7899917154 63% /usr/home/storage zroot/home/storage/backup 8187760652 287843498 7899917154 4% /usr/home/storage/backup # ls /usr/home/storage/backup ls: /usr/home/storage/backup: No such file or directory Julf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 2 21:10:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A559FB496F for ; 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Wed, 02 May 2018 14:09:58 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Beat Siegenthaler Subject: IPFW questions (log fragments, ipfw show) Message-ID: <30495aa3-63f5-4fb7-4433-ae8347d37023@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 23:09:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 21:10:01 -0000 Hi, i cannot find info about following two points, maybe somebody can shed a light on that: ipfw show: 63000 56 28136 Wed May 2 22:51:43 2018 allow udp from any to me6 53,123 recv gif0 keep-state :default what says ":default" at the end? Only on rules with keep-alive. I do not remember to see this some months ago. ipfw logging: May 2 22:48:36 myhost kernel: ipfw: 65100 Deny UDP [2001:470:1a::1] [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::x] in via gif0 (frag ab0a815c:966@9856) May 2 22:48:36 myhost kernel: ipfw: 65100 Deny UDP [2001:470:1a::1] [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::x] in via gif0 (frag d52823ef:978@9856) May 2 22:48:37 myhost kernel: ipfw: 65100 Deny UDP [2001:500:48::1] [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::x] in via gif0 (frag dad5be95:361@9856) May 2 22:48:38 myhost kernel: ipfw: 65100 Deny UDP [2001:5a0:10::1] [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::x] in via gif0 (frag e9d303a0:659@9856) May 2 22:48:38 myhost kernel: ipfw: 65100 Deny UDP [2001:5a0:10::1] [2001:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::x] in via gif0 (frag d35fff84:647@9856) what encodes frag info? 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Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 15:56:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Blonde moment with zfs To: Johan Helsingius Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 22:57:31 -0000 what does zfs list show? On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote: > Can anyone explain this behavior: > > # freebsd-version > 11.1-RELEASE-p9 > > # mount | grep storage > zroot/home/storage on /usr/home/storage (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) > zroot/home/storage/backup on /usr/home/storage/backup (zfs, local, > noatime, nfsv4acls) > > # df | grep storage > zroot/home/storage 21241268134 13341350980 7899917154 63% > /usr/home/storage > zroot/home/storage/backup 8187760652 287843498 7899917154 4% > /usr/home/storage/backup > > # ls /usr/home/storage/backup > ls: /usr/home/storage/backup: No such file or directory > > Julf > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 2 23:06:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFAAFB6F2F for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 23:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8687D91A for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 23:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 254B9FB6F2E; Wed, 2 May 2018 23:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9303FB6F2C for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 23:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-f42.google.com (mail-lf0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41C477D8F2 for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 23:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ultima1252@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-f42.google.com with SMTP id o123-v6so23225825lfe.8 for ; Wed, 02 May 2018 16:06:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HB/BWODgVCtPD9L0C4TARlSFnQBZVIbUIkeYMthxrII=; b=uksa/kq7UFXuL4oZWvbG/FHBCghEPv3GMYhZwfcRMRu1aOaY+V8SRVx7ALnJsno/XM 3fgH6HgPzJI1Js0Lxr1b0wWxN5OOBBwLuHjx+JKo4+c0hrhHJKz3stXTC5GTx1aA/dzm TuR3i6DX5wfZSrgthxzwddtP3eGQWBA4ur/NXqB9fMQt1DiPPsIGQvJmNvFKoWHfClwS kAce9BcHSHAAYANfnRMKQx45pjeBybmSQfRuu9ovx+XTP3WP3eb8b+yFZk4BB1t/s4ZH aMM9lRPYzSIUecaFfmMuzmoPoNFx1CMxZeCxCAlqrUMUMNA7oriwZaquMi0KFXy63PnX Rp1w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBGFrgDsnK8M1KKPmhv3YFubE927mi55+2XlPmfAbFPJRU4sQ0a ptqvmDcoK7Vmv8PnGUS+bnGhjCNB X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrbmMy9aplO5HcF+05VeHpGzEYpr5gTD1svlW9khNYobHO/nmwd2UmHjA4ILt9RLu22vxmLtw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:2402:: with SMTP id k2-v6mr15479932ljk.20.1525302410047; Wed, 02 May 2018 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-f52.google.com (mail-lf0-f52.google.com. [209.85.215.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j15-v6sm2547936lji.89.2018.05.02.16.06.49 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 May 2018 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-f52.google.com with SMTP id j16-v6so23249460lfb.7 for ; Wed, 02 May 2018 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a19:9915:: with SMTP id b21-v6mr13661135lfe.146.1525302408748; Wed, 02 May 2018 16:06:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a19:c788:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2018 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3fb7112f-06f7-2fbb-efff-25a658d450eb@julf.com> From: Ultima Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 16:06:47 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Blonde moment with zfs To: "Jack L." Cc: Johan Helsingius , "questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 23:06:54 -0000 This looks like a mount over mount problem. Unmounting with zfs then zfs mount -a should fix the problem. Best regards, Richard Gallamore On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Jack L. wrote: > what does zfs list show? > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote: > > Can anyone explain this behavior: > > > > # freebsd-version > > 11.1-RELEASE-p9 > > > > # mount | grep storage > > zroot/home/storage on /usr/home/storage (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) > > zroot/home/storage/backup on /usr/home/storage/backup (zfs, local, > > noatime, nfsv4acls) > > > > # df | grep storage > > zroot/home/storage 21241268134 13341350980 7899917154 63% > > /usr/home/storage > > zroot/home/storage/backup 8187760652 287843498 7899917154 4% > > /usr/home/storage/backup > > > > # ls /usr/home/storage/backup > > ls: /usr/home/storage/backup: No such file or directory > > > > Julf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 3 04:36:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC17FC2E9D for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 04:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8816A16E for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 04:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40004077; Thu, 03 May 2018 11:36:09 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w434a8jQ052070; Thu, 3 May 2018 11:36:08 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w434a5cx052069; Thu, 3 May 2018 11:36:05 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 11:36:05 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 04:36:13 -0000 tech-lists wrote: > > > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > > Ubuntu or Windows). > > > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > > cannot do that). > > > > Thanks in advance for any input. > > > > I use xdm with xfce4 for this. Could you please tell more about it. What packages you had to install besides x11/xfce, how you configured xdm and xfce4 to support user switching, how you start xfce4. Thank you in advance. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 3 05:46:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5451FC4A72 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 05:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220FB76BC5 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 05:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40004111; Thu, 03 May 2018 12:46:25 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w435kOt0056054; Thu, 3 May 2018 12:46:25 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w435kLsa056047; Thu, 3 May 2018 12:46:21 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 12:46:21 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180503054621.GA55633@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 05:46:27 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > > > > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > > > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > > > Ubuntu or Windows). > > > > > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > > > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > > > cannot do that). > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any input. > > > > > > > I use xdm with xfce4 for this. > > Could you please tell more about it. What packages you had to install > besides x11/xfce, how you configured xdm and xfce4 to support user > switching, how you start xfce4. > I've just tried x11/xdm with x11-wm/xfce, starting /usr/local/bin/xfce4-session from ~/.xsession I login via the xdm login widget, the xfce desktop launches, all seems fine, but the "Switch user" menu is grey (inactive). What is it I've missed? How is it supposed to work? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 3 06:00:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A41FC4F20 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:00:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julf@julf.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CF27B862 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:00:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julf@julf.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C5C8CFC4F1F; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897E2FC4F1E for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julf@julf.com) Received: from outbound2.mail.transip.nl (outbound2.mail.transip.nl [IPv6:2a01:7c8:7c8::73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 027027B85F for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julf@julf.com) Received: from submission4.mail.transip.nl (submission4.mail.transip.nl [149.210.149.124]) by outbound2.mail.transip.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40c4Hs30PlzxQnr; Thu, 3 May 2018 08:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.24.42.111] (julf.xs4all.nl [82.95.94.163]) by submission4.mail.transip.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 40c4Hr4Y54znTpF; Thu, 3 May 2018 08:00:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Blonde moment with zfs To: "questions@freebsd.org" Cc: "Jack L." 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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: ClueGetter at submission4.mail.transip.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=transip-a; d=julf.com; t=1525327224; h=from:reply-to:subject:to:cc: references:in-reply-to:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=h+gXLXcVrinyvz4ism3ytLnBtvai/tl7nAGmPW7swj4=; b=jZgt0afVTNtEmxSyydnIQz+6CwRMIZBkYBlpnPpjazaFapXlzfxjyQwNOnqqOmP+KOncYl w3F26EQLZhXsFTj1mh5dGWR78Gtj1P70J/jqo+TwLi5EH/jBUvoHuoLKaZ15j9XnDK3VKN JtwcukXSiuKN4gURkkgbBD3kQq8rgIZAt+dcSBTKxz67J63KX/9QSUPp7kUi9LrnGGL3UY ah6X/UmROoZyhoB0mhEaTwzU/72gi5EnEtwf0KM/UnNiSykpGXEBVjfn+uqDz6fP3W00Yi /UsNIHYu+954B49obtCZ6Rkb0llebK/cyWImzoef5J62UkkQQukZDpRuGsMYcA== X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@transip.nl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 06:00:29 -0000 On 03-05-18 00:56, Jack L. wrote: > what does zfs list show? # zfs list NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT zroot 6.53T 3.68T 140K /zroot zroot/ROOT 4.29G 3.68T 140K none zroot/ROOT/default 4.29G 3.68T 4.29G / zroot/home 6.35T 3.68T 128K /zroot/home zroot/home/storage 6.35T 3.68T 6.21T /home/storage zroot/home/storage/backup 137G 3.68T 137G /home/storage/backup zroot/tmp 3.25G 3.68T 3.25G /tmp zroot/usr 177G 3.68T 140K /usr zroot/usr/home 176G 3.68T 176G /usr/home zroot/usr/ports 1.26G 3.68T 1.26G /usr/ports zroot/usr/src 140K 3.68T 140K /usr/src zroot/var 1.33M 3.68T 140K /var zroot/var/audit 140K 3.68T 140K /var/audit zroot/var/crash 140K 3.68T 140K /var/crash zroot/var/log 634K 3.68T 634K /var/log zroot/var/mail 174K 3.68T 174K /var/mail zroot/var/tmp 140K 3.68T 140K /var/tmp Julf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 3 06:04:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81C0FC5204 for ; 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On 03-05-18 01:06, Ultima wrote: > This looks like a mount over mount problem. Unmounting > with zfs then zfs mount -a should fix the problem. Yes, that helped! Any idea of what caused the issue in the first place? Julf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 3 06:05:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A89FC52C2 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226C27BCDC for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D5CC4FC52BF; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BF3FC52BE for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x22f.google.com (mail-qt0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 292547BCDA for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 06:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id m5-v6so21500847qti.1 for ; Wed, 02 May 2018 23:05:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AOwvPhVdoBwwIyY6G1msGQdMRWlCxpxTMI8aLYj2K4s=; b=ZL3Y+uhES2r03UOTTtQ/YmUEJmK5pqqEaz8qkam60z4X9IkJYYMvMNJocabcbtk5BW F40OGxNx6i52uAtBjFsdXPapBGbRTOUbWSDTCNDCR9Vk9dqE2oSLPuX59/SYHwLy++6Y IP6UGrbUblDr18basd68eUfLjDSWG8kx7PA/1BwAbGWcTrs3WoYDda/6cHwbavyM6P6V gZA8Ia+OETC4J8CoYwQzZpOMD0lOn8mBQ2d/cm9h9H+NoQI3XKPP+BdlYhIY9QAyrwBl AsMedduToufZfUPfDLl/jpI9FxgCsiKv0mbeiZfJIyDM8V4yOEmWA+MJrw010QCO8kb8 Fgrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AOwvPhVdoBwwIyY6G1msGQdMRWlCxpxTMI8aLYj2K4s=; b=AEKp7JsJGrU3/Z3RJgV9CUGFbZT/2dDTeu1UwgUp84cAzU8w7fACkj9r9T7tDarpLU IWYXakeCR+kYlyDb0teFFaZ8LsdPIW7+S9V1Z7TJ9Fko2bEGikajFIURGfnJkmdV/b81 YKcbFG+smBi/9zZvh0kbrzF2I2hj8ijKYDtmb9r8UBX9oM+MyrJ/sxcjziVICDvJ2G8W fHMwV2XatqU08XzCGtW3WVFLUb+8czyC9by8FRaKXxbuogkK4xkSzTY8sdjkxguatqKb ZCuxWD8YwC8q6Xr1Ncy2vlMdpQx/rAkvPrDLcs7m2Bj80r6DaIPN/J0tqnbWzqGAFMG/ DVjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDThIPE3HkFQU1ytBLFrlzONz97BcZjMlo5kbo70A7A87XD5f0d Ekr4z8j3bSZg0jfqT8IB4ZqVmb1bXX191mpPA28= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrT81ReZigI4SLNYbcvFAoviZ1frwqF8jYC7ITdZVs+bIlJqm6RFowtkRJsQ+pne/bURITr0R4HqroiTVd8ekY= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:e054:: with SMTP id y20-v6mr18326419qvk.44.1525327554281; Wed, 02 May 2018 23:05:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.233.194 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2018 23:05:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <186bf43f-39b6-278d-6e14-ad6969f92d3c@julf.com> References: <3fb7112f-06f7-2fbb-efff-25a658d450eb@julf.com> <186bf43f-39b6-278d-6e14-ad6969f92d3c@julf.com> From: Michael Schuster Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 08:05:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Blonde moment with zfs To: Johan Helsingius Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" , "Jack L." Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 06:05:56 -0000 long shot: "zfs get all | grep mount" for zroot/home/storage and zroot/home/storage/backup ... maybe something interesting shows up ... On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote: > On 03-05-18 00:56, Jack L. wrote: > > what does zfs list show? > > # zfs list > NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT > zroot 6.53T 3.68T 140K /zroot > zroot/ROOT 4.29G 3.68T 140K none > zroot/ROOT/default 4.29G 3.68T 4.29G / > zroot/home 6.35T 3.68T 128K /zroot/home > zroot/home/storage 6.35T 3.68T 6.21T /home/storage > zroot/home/storage/backup 137G 3.68T 137G /home/storage/backup > zroot/tmp 3.25G 3.68T 3.25G /tmp > zroot/usr 177G 3.68T 140K /usr > zroot/usr/home 176G 3.68T 176G /usr/home > zroot/usr/ports 1.26G 3.68T 1.26G /usr/ports > zroot/usr/src 140K 3.68T 140K /usr/src > zroot/var 1.33M 3.68T 140K /var > zroot/var/audit 140K 3.68T 140K /var/audit > zroot/var/crash 140K 3.68T 140K /var/crash > zroot/var/log 634K 3.68T 634K /var/log > zroot/var/mail 174K 3.68T 174K /var/mail > zroot/var/tmp 140K 3.68T 140K /var/tmp > > Julf > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 3 14:24:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF979FACDED for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96C046CAB0 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7E121706; Thu, 3 May 2018 10:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 03 May 2018 10:24:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=mWfRP47B+Vd+14Bz8Bj8Z+BQLgdQZ euvaM3m3nVdtz0=; b=l/og3kI6dVqQLkhJz5Y+AKj0YUZyqo3NYQ6oVyzaTuqHF 6tgcN/wh5OWGvVmrq16Nn1sS84D2oiM6z21yxJS5VzJm4y+NeLhBVetMCZO6UmrE rRX7srTQ2GaK1SN3y/q+QPr7U1aOSEgancaPy2JG1KZQUKlwdYtEmXLuTCv+sfA9 XyzkwEZhCu/LKTq5zy10dZeQ8++bvogQva3qG8hIbI+rHok58QyxkR7zvczz5+aN 79wl5t413bka7FGROPNbijsNaoGKEHM7J8IJwSsVK2zo4ACoa/qTOF+1vLO56hlt W1e0hTVd3qwHtjnKDQ26xdVIHXpJQE34daeqmTYkg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=mWfRP4 7B+Vd+14Bz8Bj8Z+BQLgdQZeuvaM3m3nVdtz0=; b=SCKH0emUpwpQCzr4aLdmBo euTWgg5m38UCkC8grRtNx/KZRVdB6AV5r0hn6uSrLFXerE9t9Tj6TOZDrWUKTJee vwzhV0ZeFnZeac9d3fBTeL9JazJEoqSKBhojdbidM68Q/rPzYitNR3pHxl6/lcZo 1qHb9ynruP7FbNFfUawMWCguaEiEcWtuwUGB6UWdmqXynHCeF/x3GTUchsNhG4yA Kv1SFQmabrzw70SZsaJt7jN2eCKRHsnHpiazSOM/m0LzMxQKGV2slUrTT2I31wdF MZNBe9YCq9kTpmOQtjc3ogeSPZAEcMF5+ZN8g4fVvasCzBJ5/x8zE8WTE8ZzCG8w == X-ME-Sender: Received: from desktop.local (parsley.growveg.org [82.70.91.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1198610255; Thu, 3 May 2018 10:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180503054621.GA55633@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> From: tech-lists Organization: none To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: vas@mpeks.tomsk.su Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 15:24:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180503054621.GA55633@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 14:24:18 -0000 On 03/05/2018 06:46, Victor Sudakov wrote: > I've just tried x11/xdm with x11-wm/xfce, starting /usr/local/bin/xfce4-session from ~/.xsession > > I login via the xdm login widget, the xfce desktop launches, all seems > fine, but the "Switch user" menu is grey (inactive). > > What is it I've missed? How is it supposed to work? Hi, [xdm] You'll need to modify /etc/ttys like this: ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure change the off to on, save then then reboot (as per https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html) [xsession] In $HOME/.xsession I have this: #!/bin/sh LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8; export LC_ALL exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4 --with-ck-launch so each user will need this in their $HOME I don't use the 'switch user' facility of xfce4 because it's not xfce4 that is responsible for the session, it's xdm. So log out of xfce4 (which should return the screen to xdm) and enter the other user details in xdm. -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 3 21:08:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B25FBA9A4 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 21:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo.danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic303-4.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic303-4.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.131.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 550438384B for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 21:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo.danielisz@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: JfgE6pMVM1mTjItTd3wjlesAVqm2dx1XaFR3zcYIV4Dw46mEZwUcHJyGVM6QMZq uwT8Mk1SqdTKRtUqQsZdjivBX.I97j14wKicGnmg4bBek_ouOB4ZPCO4JTvQVc_hAY4FyCau6BJ5 Y30EZT1zDqkVatD_e5NFHBIka373_ewnZobqcnBRsaqFh3V4ITGG_baeadaLqz0N5BQofNAeBjlr .bRuT9K8olK8WiyJk5_ujUw4vgEYLrlf.BYNnccENEnpOXn__XiupgG6GRA7DDDZ.PguGW_gVPSI fQkB_87UuFTq_y_vBbjr6AMC9577VrwhKvWyffSOUcboHpUrxG2mX4DM_uapL0wELEnCFEJP5IwW m0FIo8OXhqMa_48pJFtk.NNvuO6fuUZ1AFKonAs44TxvCHSwA5LCxUhVh.JpMQig2bFg9Adyz3lh 5usVh53qHQb.P.6P2PHvNgU8ZBcQbsaIkqZ8EDi6Gkz8zXx2mJDt639qeX5N8fwZF4vzpg8oF45Z sbXgRJmqjAviN_h9iq82rzSofO3JQO39Z.N9C0mQ7cj38Hgtsc4Yx6x5huPkg.YyvpkYNltAxSgh 2dLg2UaJMlH060gbkK7GZBcrfjKtXdEDMizRMHqRTETnRM2HLfPM- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2018 21:08:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 20:18:06 +0000 (UTC) From: "laszlo.danielisz@yahoo.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <633955970.3992254.1525378686717@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: /lib/libutil.so.9 &ezjail issues after FreeBSD 11.1 upgrade MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <633955970.3992254.1525378686717.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.11819 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_4) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/65.0.3325.181 Safari/537.36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 21:08:40 -0000 Hi, Recently I upgrade from 10.3 to 11.1, since then I can't get ezjail-admin c= onsole to work.I looked around, did some research, didn't help. The issues is when I try to access the console of a jailezjail-admin consol= e webserverLast login: Thu May=C2=A0 3 14:34:14 on pts/0/lib/libutil.so.9: = Undefined symbol "reallocarray" The same with any other jail, not just "webserver" md5 /lib/libutil.so.9MD5 (/lib/libutil.so.9) =3D e139db38ae6bd4316bbbb298c9= af4529 freebsd-version -ku11.1-RELEASE-p911.1-RELEASE-p9 pkg info ezjail-3.4.2ezjail-3.4.2Name=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0: ezjailVersion=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 3.4.2 I tried a=C2=A0pkg upgrade -f ezjail, didn't help. Does anyone have any idea? Thank you! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 02:16:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F28FC3AC5 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 02:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5130586A79 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 02:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40004742; Fri, 04 May 2018 09:16:41 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w442GdVq095143; Fri, 4 May 2018 09:16:40 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w442GZ7R095140; Fri, 4 May 2018 09:16:35 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 09:16:35 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180504021635.GA94279@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180503054621.GA55633@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 02:16:44 -0000 tech-lists wrote: > On 03/05/2018 06:46, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > I've just tried x11/xdm with x11-wm/xfce, starting /usr/local/bin/xfce4-session from ~/.xsession > > > > I login via the xdm login widget, the xfce desktop launches, all seems > > fine, but the "Switch user" menu is grey (inactive). > > > > What is it I've missed? How is it supposed to work? > > Hi, > > [xdm] > > You'll need to modify /etc/ttys like this: > ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure > > change the off to on, save then then reboot (as per > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html) Why would you want to reboot instead of "init q"? But I digress. > > [xsession] > > In $HOME/.xsession I have this: > > #!/bin/sh > LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8; export LC_ALL > > > > exec /usr/local/bin/startxfce4 --with-ck-launch > > so each user will need this in their $HOME > > I don't use the 'switch user' facility of xfce4 You should have said it from the very beginning :-( > because it's not xfce4 > that is responsible for the session, it's xdm. No, xdm cannot 'switch user' in the sense I was looking for. Please read the beginning of the thread. > So log out of xfce4 > (which should return the screen to xdm) and effectively close all your running X-programs. No, that's not what is needed. > and enter the other user details in xdm. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 03:48:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3781FC5C52 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 03:48:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from filter06.peak.org (filter06.peak.org [69.59.194.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B02C7931A for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 03:48:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by filter06.peak.org ({0c47b2c3-829a-4f18-b445-de68be8d048d}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20180504034453288_0000 for ; Thu, 03 May 2018 20:44:53 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0437B4D2CB for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 20:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8BA4DAB3 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 20:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmail-mta02.peak.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id YgQW1TUMwenB for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 20:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org (mailproxy-lb-06.peak.org [207.55.17.96]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ED64D2CB for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 20:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlj by elm.localnet with local (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fEReI-000Hyu-1M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 May 2018 20:44:46 -0700 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 20:44:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> (Victor Sudakov's message of "Thu, 3 May 2018 11:36:05 +0700") Message-ID: <86sh78dqz6.fsf@elm.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MAG-OUTBOUND: peakinternet.redcondor.net@207.55.16/22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 03:48:36 -0000 Victor Sudakov writes: > tech-lists wrote: >> > >> > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? >> > >> > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST >> > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like >> > Ubuntu or Windows). >> > >> > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users >> > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with >> > cannot do that). >> > >> > Thanks in advance for any input. >> > >> >> I use xdm with xfce4 for this. > > Could you please tell more about it. What packages you had to install > besides x11/xfce, how you configured xdm and xfce4 to support user > switching, how you start xfce4. I haven't used it, but XFCE does have a 'switch user' button for the panel. It is part of the 'action buttons' panel addon, but appears to be part of the basic install. Those action buttons also include things like lock screen, suspend, hibernate, etc. Let me know if you need more information. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 04:05:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F61AFC647F for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 04:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=+vbu=hx=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08F47E78E for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 04:05:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=+vbu=hx=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40cdhJ1VQwz2fjQk for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 21:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: UDP packet transmission Message-Id: <91591EE5-91EA-4C79-BE7B-A5F9F53CFADA@mail.sermon-archive.info> Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 21:05:03 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 04:05:11 -0000 I have a somewhat unusual situation and have not found a solution for = it. I have a remote machine running 12 current. It has two independent = internet connections. They are from two different sources and have = different IP addresses. One is a fixed IP address and the other = dynamic. The purpose is to be able to access the device if one of those = interfaces is down. It is only accessed when problems occur. Typically = that is when the fixed address is not accessible. The problem is there = is no way to know the dynamic address. To address this, I tried sending a UDP packet through the dynamic IP = link to another machine at a fixed IP address. It records the IP = address that originated the packet and logs it. Hence, I can easily = find the last dynamic IP that was used and access the device through = that. However, to make that happen, I need to be able to send a UDP = packet that goes through a specific interface and does not use the = routing table. The most frequent approach I have found is to bind the socket to only = the dynamic IP address's interface. However, that does change the = originating IP address in the packet to that interface, but continues to = transmit via the interface found in the routing table. Another suggestion was to use raw sockets. However, all the reading on = that (Stevens et al) indicate that the packet will still be transmitted = on the interface selected in the routing table. Yet another suggestion was to change the routing table temporarily, send = the packet, and then change it back. Besides a lot of potential for = weird stuff, it would break a number of other connections going through = the fixed IP address. =20 I am hoping there is another solution that would be better. Thanks, -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 05:04:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A64FC7A78 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 05:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF776BF67 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 05:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40004806; Fri, 04 May 2018 12:04:11 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w4454Bpc004693; Fri, 4 May 2018 12:04:11 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w44549JU004692; Fri, 4 May 2018 12:04:09 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 12:04:09 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Carl Johnson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180504050409.GA3877@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <86sh78dqz6.fsf@elm.localnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86sh78dqz6.fsf@elm.localnet> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 05:04:15 -0000 Carl Johnson wrote: > Victor Sudakov writes: > > > tech-lists wrote: > >> > > >> > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > >> > > >> > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > >> > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > >> > Ubuntu or Windows). > >> > > >> > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > >> > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > >> > cannot do that). > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance for any input. > >> > > >> > >> I use xdm with xfce4 for this. > > > > Could you please tell more about it. What packages you had to install > > besides x11/xfce, how you configured xdm and xfce4 to support user > > switching, how you start xfce4. > > I haven't used it, but XFCE does have a 'switch user' button for the > panel. Yes, it does, but the button is grey and cannot be used. > It is part of the 'action buttons' panel addon, but appears to > be part of the basic install. Those action buttons also include things > like lock screen, suspend, hibernate, etc. Let me know if you need more > information. Yes, I need more information please. In my setup, the 'switch user' button is grey (inactive). How do I make it actually work? How is it even *supposed* to work? xdm per se certainly does not do "user switching" in the sense Windows or Ubuntu allow it (with the disconnected user's X-clients still running in the background). -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 06:09:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA219FC8F0C for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 06:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Anand.Khoje@cavium.com) Received: from NAM03-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-co1nam03on0082.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.40.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT TLS CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0272F7AB37 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 06:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Anand.Khoje@cavium.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 06:09:48 -0000 Hi, I am currently working on RoCE v1 support for Cavium BigBear adapters. Alth= ough, RoCE traffic seems to be working now, I have noticed that once we est= ablish krping server at one end, using command : echo "server,addr=3D192.168.11.11,port=3D9991,verbose" > /dev/krping and run krping client from the peer system, using command : echo "client,count=3D10,addr=3D192.168.11.11,port=3D9991,verbose" > /dev/kr= ping The session ends after sending 10 RDMA packets. Here are the logs : server ping data: rdma-ping-0: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghi= jklmnopqr server ping data: rdma-ping-1: BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghij= klmnopqrs server ping data: rdma-ping-2: CDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijk= lmnopqrst server ping data: rdma-ping-3: DEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijkl= mnopqrstu server ping data: rdma-ping-4: EFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijklm= nopqrstuv server ping data: rdma-ping-5: FGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijklmn= opqrstuvw server ping data: rdma-ping-6: GHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijklmno= pqrstuvwx server ping data: rdma-ping-7: HIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijklmnop= qrstuvwxy server ping data: rdma-ping-8: IJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijklmnopq= rstuvwxyz server ping data: rdma-ping-9: JKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\134]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqr= stuvwxyzA DISCONNECT EVENT... wait for RDMA_READ_ADV state 10 cq completion in ERROR state But, if we attempt to re-establish the krping server in the same system wit= h the same port number (i.e. 9991), we get an error saying : rdma_bind_addr error -48 (address already in use?) Meanwhile, I checked with Mellanox Connect X3 adapters, I see the same issu= e. My question is, is this behavior normal? Or is there some issue with my set= up? Is it due to some ibcore state machine being stuck in some state waitin= g for an event which has not been taken care of by the driver? P.S: Here is the output of netstat when a krping server is established : # netstat Active Internet connections Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address = (state) tcp4 0 0 192.168.11.11.9991 *.* = CLOSED This remains the same throughout, even after completion of krping session. = I cannot see this information on the krping client system though. Thanks, Anand A. K. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 07:13:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD63FCA400 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 07:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C9916887C for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 07:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8804C10645; Fri, 4 May 2018 08:03:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: UDP packet transmission To: Doug Hardie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <91591EE5-91EA-4C79-BE7B-A5F9F53CFADA@mail.sermon-archive.info> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <3e93f140-af24-fba0-65f2-70c772a338f8@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 08:03:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <91591EE5-91EA-4C79-BE7B-A5F9F53CFADA@mail.sermon-archive.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 07:13:01 -0000 On 04/05/2018 05:05, Doug Hardie wrote: > I have a somewhat unusual situation and have not found a solution for it. I have a remote machine running 12 current. It has two independent internet connections. They are from two different sources and have different IP addresses. One is a fixed IP address and the other dynamic. The purpose is to be able to access the device if one of those interfaces is down. It is only accessed when problems occur. Typically that is when the fixed address is not accessible. The problem is there is no way to know the dynamic address. > > To address this, I tried sending a UDP packet through the dynamic IP link to another machine at a fixed IP address. It records the IP address that originated the packet and logs it. Hence, I can easily find the last dynamic IP that was used and access the device through that. However, to make that happen, I need to be able to send a UDP packet that goes through a specific interface and does not use the routing table. > > The most frequent approach I have found is to bind the socket to only the dynamic IP address's interface. However, that does change the originating IP address in the packet to that interface, but continues to transmit via the interface found in the routing table. > > Another suggestion was to use raw sockets. However, all the reading on that (Stevens et al) indicate that the packet will still be transmitted on the interface selected in the routing table. > > Yet another suggestion was to change the routing table temporarily, send the packet, and then change it back. Besides a lot of potential for weird stuff, it would break a number of other connections going through the fixed IP address. > > I am hoping there is another solution that would be better. Thanks, Why not use setfib to give the UDP packet sending process its own routing table? -- An amusing coincidence: log2(58) = 5.858 (to 0.0003% accuracy). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 07:23:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B7CFCA940 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 07:23:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=+vbu=hx=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDAE68E1B for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 07:23:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=+vbu=hx=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40ck543Y2pz2fjQt; Fri, 4 May 2018 00:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: UDP packet transmission From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <3e93f140-af24-fba0-65f2-70c772a338f8@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 00:23:20 -0700 Cc: Nick Garrido via freebsd-questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <91591EE5-91EA-4C79-BE7B-A5F9F53CFADA@mail.sermon-archive.info> <3e93f140-af24-fba0-65f2-70c772a338f8@qeng-ho.org> To: Arthur Chance X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 07:23:22 -0000 > On 4 May 2018, at 00:03, Arthur Chance wrote: >=20 > On 04/05/2018 05:05, Doug Hardie wrote: >> I have a somewhat unusual situation and have not found a solution for = it. I have a remote machine running 12 current. It has two independent = internet connections. They are from two different sources and have = different IP addresses. One is a fixed IP address and the other = dynamic. The purpose is to be able to access the device if one of those = interfaces is down. It is only accessed when problems occur. Typically = that is when the fixed address is not accessible. The problem is there = is no way to know the dynamic address. >>=20 >> To address this, I tried sending a UDP packet through the dynamic IP = link to another machine at a fixed IP address. It records the IP = address that originated the packet and logs it. Hence, I can easily = find the last dynamic IP that was used and access the device through = that. However, to make that happen, I need to be able to send a UDP = packet that goes through a specific interface and does not use the = routing table. >>=20 >> The most frequent approach I have found is to bind the socket to only = the dynamic IP address's interface. However, that does change the = originating IP address in the packet to that interface, but continues to = transmit via the interface found in the routing table. >>=20 >> Another suggestion was to use raw sockets. However, all the reading = on that (Stevens et al) indicate that the packet will still be = transmitted on the interface selected in the routing table. >>=20 >> Yet another suggestion was to change the routing table temporarily, = send the packet, and then change it back. Besides a lot of potential = for weird stuff, it would break a number of other connections going = through the fixed IP address. =20 >>=20 >> I am hoping there is another solution that would be better. Thanks, >=20 > Why not use setfib to give the UDP packet sending process its own > routing table? Never encountered that before. Great solution. Thanks, -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 08:36:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EFFFCC18A for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 08:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net (relay10.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:dc4:8:216:3eff:fe62:3650]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0AC07B12F for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 08:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from wolfman.devio.us (wolfman.devio.us [98.142.108.75]) (Authenticated sender: mayuresh@kathe.in) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B4A1240022 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 10:36:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 04:35:56 -0400 From: Mayuresh Kathe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: swi-pl-core : experiments failed Message-ID: <20180504083556.GA10324@wolfman.devio.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 08:36:12 -0000 i tried experimenting with swi-pl with a goal to eliminate dependencies. failed, miserably, primarily because all this was quite alien to me and my gut-feel was majorly off-target. may i request someone with the skills and experience to please make a swi-pl-core which has no dependencies. thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 08:37:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F2EFCC1E9 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 08:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net (relay12.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:dc4:8:216:3eff:febd:639b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E9107BC9F for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 08:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from wolfman.devio.us (wolfman.devio.us [98.142.108.75]) (Authenticated sender: mayuresh@kathe.in) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01300200014 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 10:37:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 04:37:12 -0400 From: Mayuresh Kathe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: email service for a private domain! Message-ID: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 08:37:24 -0000 i own a domain (kathe.in) which i would like to setup for mail services. essentially, i should be able to log-in over ssh and work through my emails using mailx. i have no idea about what is involved and don't know what the search for via google. could i be pointed in the right direction? also, how do i evaluate hosting service providers? i only know of rootbsd and digitalocean. thanks. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 09:42:19 -0000 Hi, Sorry, I missed putting these key details : I am working on FreeBSD 11.1 Release. Thanks, Anand A. K. 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Cl= ique aqui From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 11:50:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F144FAA9A0 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 11:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E52B684D4B for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 11:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD01110645; Fri, 4 May 2018 12:50:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: email service for a private domain! To: Mayuresh Kathe , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <4a4ccc42-a4fc-0e40-49b1-b6536fe99a18@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 12:50:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 11:50:41 -0000 On 04/05/2018 09:37, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > i own a domain (kathe.in) which i would like to setup for mail services. > essentially, i should be able to log-in over ssh and work through my > emails using mailx. > > i have no idea about what is involved and don't know what the search for > via google. > > could i be pointed in the right direction? If you don't know what's involved, I'd strongly suggest that you don't try to do it yourself, otherwise you could find yourself and your domain blacklisted as a spammer if you accidentally left your MTA open for relaying. Instead you'd be better off looking for a mail hosting service that supports private domains. Most competent ISPs can do that, otherwise you might want to look at an independent service provider like Mythic Beasts (https://www.mythic-beasts.com/) - my wife and various friends use them for mail and DNS as they're a local (to us) company. > also, how do i evaluate hosting service providers? > i only know of rootbsd and digitalocean. The big three are AWS, Google Compute Engine and Azure, with AlibabaCloud catching up with them. Other smaller providers are VULTR.com, CloudSigma, OVH, Atlantic.net. I can't say how good any of them are, I usually run servers in house, but I'm sure others round here have experience of using them. -- An amusing coincidence: log2(58) = 5.858 (to 0.0003% accuracy). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 12:49:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDE1FACC88 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 12:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srguglielmo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22a.google.com (mail-lf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B72F73416 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 12:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srguglielmo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id u21-v6so30754430lfu.9 for ; Fri, 04 May 2018 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OZrdHCi/cCw98VqcK49anM8CdOTSGx9PE+SS+CcT8pM=; b=kfM25hkMlZqJZtkg5jBuaq+QMlD5o7ukdyh+Vu9OMSDiHEjMS7nGPCzwwzfUf/9alO K/PUh4OvaMFqTsuEYAdQngRwRd6qjS6BAWuoZjRK2mw1JYEdcca0Jva1Ydf4V9k9eGI3 hzUmkJ0To/RsJwsbcOdKdMwl1ZdDe7OrCM9GxJ2EJLwhbwacROaVCWhzWThSNs8kbBce pzM2TY7EMiqdxIIFzeZ96SzSfwtFAA3UYgj0q2zLSCe+EBJ2wcwWAt/a0HJcGg0yT+hI KV791hTe1OPobhwpSb0zzx2kStvK/5tJKsoUDw12KPa1eMpHwf+EyyFrcLnIVCxZjKWI m8Hw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OZrdHCi/cCw98VqcK49anM8CdOTSGx9PE+SS+CcT8pM=; b=kqec3eARggtu2ocEAA19QijABCRasur0U1RkWCyT3BJXJRG8ktiGYhbuGRqv9evXQE MPEEL9mzyZl++mZ7L7BhUCKb+zxPDWHgLIrR3nxDEiWJtMgs6C2ba5kad4SK43lHbaX4 hkpo8FErSyG8dKZkJiRP2ECWHtkseLjkcJDSoV7Kbj1NNejR72SRAzcj30WFscsHP/1N SpLKDmItLy6nTQ7r4l+3OiHcDqp+sGh0LXT0epMg+oV+e3YJuMu4LkVczj8vOV0jCj2H jp1S5ABCbdCATgXFa5musvu5Bopj7yuZarsZgdgp/2pSUxa8kI89dc0DUiozCANzwjIt 6Ztw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAx+bQuxPVjbLG1wO2Ze4iL5aj33GjPh7ZUB74dQ2Y/yv5obwBB P+yE4BY0d/qHAXa4zcVM2GRGq5PDGt2ca3Li2Cqnqg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrHmgeka4HX8weTn8BubkVq/vYfBU+zNDd1dI4xuByHSouJjN5HP3RkOSKUtJhLMdzVsZfJJRJ2u15MACk+nK8= X-Received: by 2002:a19:bec3:: with SMTP id o186-v6mr17659094lff.20.1525438164755; Fri, 04 May 2018 05:49:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> In-Reply-To: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> From: Stephen R Guglielmo Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 12:49:13 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: email service for a private domain! To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 12:49:27 -0000 On Fri, May 4, 2018, 4:41 AM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > i own a domain (kathe.in) which i would like to setup for mail services. > essentially, i should be able to log-in over ssh and work through my > emails using mailx. > > i have no idea about what is involved and don't know what the search for > via google. > > could i be pointed in the right direction? > I ran my own email system on a domain I own for a few years. It is a _lot_ of work to set it correctly and maintain it. I ran the postfix MTA, Dovecot for imap, OpenDKIM for DKIM signing, postfix-policyd-spf-python for SPF verification, and finally ClamAv for virus scanning. I may be forgetting a few things in the mix as well. You definitely need a static IP address. It's may be a bit outdated, but I did write a guide on this: https://guglielmo.us/cs/postfix.html A mail server typically has to be running (correctly) for a long time in order to build up domain authority as a valid email server. Otherwise, ougoing email will often be marked as spam. Having said all that, unless you have a lot of time and motivation to learn, I do recommend that you use a paid service/company to host your email. I have since switched from running my own to ProtonMail for my custom domain and I'm very happy with them. Thanks, Steve > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 16:08:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F311EFB10D5 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 16:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from filter01.peak.org (filter01.peak.org [207.55.16.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.peak.org", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62F6C7C0C8 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 16:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by filter01.peak.org ({e1c81c21-e4c4-4528-aa90-7a27869c545a}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20180504160436102_0000 for ; Fri, 04 May 2018 09:04:36 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9695B4DBAC for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC4A4DBE2 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmail-mta02.peak.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id RRaiFWadpZn1 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailproxy-lb-07.peak.org (mailproxy-lb-07.peak.org [207.55.17.97]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DA94DBAC for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlj by elm.localnet with local (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fEdCD-0001FI-Kk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 04 May 2018 09:04:33 -0700 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <042bf1a7-32fb-8bfa-16d1-9cbc54e19a61@zyxst.net> <20180503043605.GA49385@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <86sh78dqz6.fsf@elm.localnet> <20180504050409.GA3877@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 09:04:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20180504050409.GA3877@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> (Victor Sudakov's message of "Fri, 4 May 2018 12:04:09 +0700") Message-ID: <86muxfe7am.fsf@elm.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MAG-OUTBOUND: peakinternet.redcondor.net@207.55.16/22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 16:08:21 -0000 Victor Sudakov writes: > Carl Johnson wrote: >> Victor Sudakov writes: >> >> > tech-lists wrote: >> >> > >> >> > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? >> >> > >> >> > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST >> >> > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like >> >> > Ubuntu or Windows). >> >> > >> >> > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users >> >> > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with >> >> > cannot do that). >> >> > >> >> > Thanks in advance for any input. >> >> > >> >> >> >> I use xdm with xfce4 for this. >> > >> > Could you please tell more about it. What packages you had to install >> > besides x11/xfce, how you configured xdm and xfce4 to support user >> > switching, how you start xfce4. >> >> I haven't used it, but XFCE does have a 'switch user' button for the >> panel. > > Yes, it does, but the button is grey and cannot be used. I said that I hadn't tried it, but I just tried it now and got the same result as you. I did a web search and it appears that it requires gdm for that button. You can try that, but otherwise I can't help any more than that. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 17:14:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD72CFB23C1 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 17:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FDCF68A66 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 17:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 36536 invoked from network); 4 May 2018 17:14:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=8eb6.5aec9512.k1805; bh=MplKZ6Pn6w4ewPNF5RCWNLqAit8P26l5xJMhIzYp4AQ=; b=SiJGLXY2YOqq7PQQqFC4L6OoJbnNh5p3UfQBOO1LDGWYumg2w53COZw1rRA7RBhcouq9GPbUx0odx3mcWbbuxVrJk4SWBCtfOa/MvIL7g0jYvFLm9Qztkt0qhU5RaKjlhIpNhfUTZrdL8sPE/S01bqXn08t0HtzCqhuxHQ8DILu7oILR3HZOLD+Jdg++Ff4ZKSrwsembA9PLJGRvdQ+cthz8/2+LGOnsY1Wtm7OVSKSQMzdc+Xi06v9fWa+W9d1l Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 04 May 2018 17:14:58 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1B5AE25E1BEB; Fri, 4 May 2018 13:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: 4 May 2018 13:14:57 -0400 Message-Id: <20180504171458.1B5AE25E1BEB@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: mayuresh@kathe.in Subject: Re: email service for a private domain! In-Reply-To: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 17:15:00 -0000 In article <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> you write: >i own a domain (kathe.in) which i would like to setup for mail services. >essentially, i should be able to log-in over ssh and work through my >emails using mailx. It's much easier to leave your mail hosted at gandi and use fetchmail to copy incoming messages to your BSD box so you can read them there. It's in the ports. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 17:30:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CE8FB2AB5 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 17:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1955C6E253 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 17:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from 124-169-255-95.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO leader.local) ([124.169.255.95]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 05 May 2018 02:55:39 +0930 Subject: Re: blender - llvm To: StariKarp , FreeBSD Questions References: <1524996990.23915.1.camel@yandex.com> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <11423618-016d-50ee-c420-4858f1221229@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 02:55:38 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1524996990.23915.1.camel@yandex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 17:30:51 -0000 On 29/04/2018 19:46, StariKarp wrote: > Hi! > > I am using Blender on FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE (amd64) and as I have > experience it was (is) the problem with different versions of llvm > which new versions are coming in the ports tree very fast. > I have in /etc/make.conf: > MESA_LLVM_VER=40 > and building and running Blender works. How is the future of Blender > because of the new versions of llvm60, please? I'm running 11-stable (Mar 16), I haven't updated during the start of the 11-stable changes preparing for 11.2 While I haven't done a full ports update for a while, (my dependencies are still built from llvm50), I can build blender using clang60 and aren't seeing any issues, that is with osl using llvm40. In poudriere everything builds with llvm60 -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 17:52:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DD5FB3745 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 17:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Franki.wilson@ai.net) Received: from ex13.ai.net (ex13-1.ai.net [205.134.169.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ai.net", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AD0B71D6B for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 17:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Franki.wilson@ai.net) Received: from AINET-EX13-S03.ainet.local (192.168.0.38) by AiNET-EX13-S01.ainet.local (192.168.0.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Fri, 4 May 2018 13:51:38 -0400 Received: from AINET-EX13-S03.ainet.local (192.168.0.38) by AINET-EX13-S03.ainet.local (192.168.0.38) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Fri, 4 May 2018 13:51:37 -0400 Received: from AINET-EX13-S03.ainet.local ([205.134.169.66]) by AINET-EX13-S03.ainet.local ([205.134.169.66]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Fri, 4 May 2018 13:51:37 -0400 From: Franki Wilson To: Shane Ambler , StariKarp , FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: blender - llvm Thread-Topic: blender - llvm Thread-Index: AQHT483LcJij96RLqUeDV+uh7GMzY6Qf2DIQ Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 17:51:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1524996990.23915.1.camel@yandex.com> <11423618-016d-50ee-c420-4858f1221229@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <11423618-016d-50ee-c420-4858f1221229@ShaneWare.Biz> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [205.134.166.35] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 17:52:55 -0000 I would just like to add a company to this list: https://www.freebsd.org/co= mmercial/isp.html How do I make that happen? Does FreeBDS update the list? Franki -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Shane Ambler Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 1:26 PM To: StariKarp; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: blender - llvm On 29/04/2018 19:46, StariKarp wrote: > Hi! >=20 > I am using Blender on FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE (amd64) and as I have > experience it was (is) the problem with different versions of llvm > which new versions are coming in the ports tree very fast. > I have in /etc/make.conf: > MESA_LLVM_VER=3D40 > and building and running Blender works. How is the future of Blender > because of the new versions of llvm60, please? I'm running 11-stable (Mar 16), I haven't updated during the start of the 11-stable changes preparing for 11.2 While I haven't done a full ports update for a while, (my dependencies are still built from llvm50), I can build blender using clang60 and aren't seeing any issues, that is with osl using llvm40. In poudriere everything builds with llvm60 --=20 FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 18:33:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F74FB4A41 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x22a.google.com (mail-oi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B247C83AC4 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 18:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id c203-v6so19977589oib.7 for ; Fri, 04 May 2018 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UCmx7VVyS7LV5xKPcegNoMk1DOkxCebE6qZg+2Ftfhw=; b=Fw//2WU8/snLnnmdYNSxJtbosMs76finzIqrzLV6IbDHo4kqDYIP4yvn6Haq3+GEiD Kyl2BCKrHx0BTme9cmebzRJpvR3/hB70AHtw6JZRtRiXug4bsw+EeiB3GYGsp2g2ZsNm EjZwpX7iKH2vG8aQRQTYBgQAJ9Xez8tenoVOg73tV7HuuQ5hDYCEhECn8GaBHiz77cq8 b0TJTynw9Y30agvSoX+8h8vn7ZKxqRw0Kn/UOmeSH+GFuH2LAyty/XuqEhE1QfbsifxU QGgXAtOXRUlWHnTo3NI9mjdr6WboXyh2iKR/fvcIBS1yjlGfDfpwESR1UCgs8TaxPaX8 hGJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=UCmx7VVyS7LV5xKPcegNoMk1DOkxCebE6qZg+2Ftfhw=; b=CTcJ0AAha6SKgVRDqTWgBBJnXoewXlDDOjNJWi5NwqtpYvtznEjB7hZU9gOECuBGN4 HiXvD7LpjLFYefo8YWWoC+jEMRecE8gnqjFc/uuTMG0PR2KF0lnQQwsFZKgwcWJ/0++J wYKKbuW8YGL2h75NFyKZ2143MzGh0iktV9u+x34nyAZpAs+mY6KP9TCDeSMw1nw7+nnd yo1uSVWpcXG9unmGjLLw/yBa1lYW8wKvJnrP5HFhd6o0fWS0XUYRhK1wupycLXJIXBOj Opdn75fqlBaPp9ZNa6b+rWmImkeS09IQuQNvPsZHOH5YpsH6XeddNPE7eBO0ybEObY4V R58A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCuvQwq4uHycq9aTSyYwkoMgSvs7rJGk5zY2qdIudNCgQrfjg00 EVrN1mrtdgG9LFZdcOV+iidsbvX9EMa+x2Fz6k00GA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrzcE87pfT4x7u57g5UszJpDziLvJSd6QavjXycH36jlTvM6047C0zG9ewlQmKNgE7MlBsDNm0T47iOMInBiFU= X-Received: by 2002:aca:fdc9:: with SMTP id b192-v6mr16947184oii.16.1525458820513; Fri, 04 May 2018 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.116.130 with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2018 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> References: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> From: Kurt Buff Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 11:33:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: email service for a private domain! To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 18:33:42 -0000 I assume that you have someone hosting your DNS zone. That's the easiest alternative. I wouldn't dive into hosting your own DNS. You will need, at a mimimum, the following: You will need a static address for your host from your ISP (or if you are colocating your server, from them), and you will also require a PTR record for your host, entered into the zone of whoever grants you the static address. Your DNS zone will need to list the A (and/or AAAA) record for your host, and an MX record. You will also want an SPF record in your zone, and should explore the idea of implementing DMARC/DKIM. After that is configured, you'll need to configure the software for your mail server. I suggest using postfix, in conjunction with a good IMAP server. There are several. I'd also recommend that you subscribe to the postfix email list, and start asking questions there - after you've read the documentation. There are alternatives to postfix (I've used and loathed sendmail, a very long time ago), but postfix is the one that seemed best developed to me, and I was most comfortable with it. YMMV. I'd also suggest setting up an anti-spam filter. For my $dayjob several years ago, I put up MAIA Mailguard, and it worked very well. It packages spamassassin and several other things into a very nice filter, but it might be overkill if you are only doing mail for yourself. I no longer use postfix/spamassassin or other OSS tools for email, so can't comment much further - $dayjob has implemented commercial alternatives for all of that. HTH, Kurt On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > i own a domain (kathe.in) which i would like to setup for mail services. > essentially, i should be able to log-in over ssh and work through my > emails using mailx. > > i have no idea about what is involved and don't know what the search for > via google. > > could i be pointed in the right direction? > > also, how do i evaluate hosting service providers? > i only know of rootbsd and digitalocean. > > thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 19:46:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9C8FB66A4 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 19:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50D1083AA7 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 19:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.134] (helo=smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fEgO3-0007vi-HZ; Fri, 04 May 2018 21:28:59 +0200 Received: from 5419f71f.cm-5-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.25.247.31] helo=ra.boosten.org) by smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fEgO3-0008FG-FQ; Fri, 04 May 2018 21:28:59 +0200 Received: from [192.168.13.34] (peters-iphone.egypt.nl [192.168.13.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ra.boosten.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51DF33432F7B; Fri, 4 May 2018 21:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: email service for a private domain! From: Peter Boosten X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E302) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 21:28:56 +0200 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8859504C-3CF8-476C-B6CA-A34BBCF7068A@boosten.org> References: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> To: Kurt Buff X-SourceIP: 84.25.247.31 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=OaG28CbY c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JWBJsaPp29SgP5DpYRBqZw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=VUJBJC2UJ8kA:10 a=mtHYotFPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=qbLnDyT8at73aGSLxckA:9 a=Ma2P0yrRm3E1O6EV:21 a=dIGuoxRr68zcxwt7:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yump0AXOVXJKaQcbznD9:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 none X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 19:46:47 -0000 I run my own domain for years now and you definitely don=E2=80=99t need a st= atic address. I=E2=80=99ve a registration at dyndns.com and my mx record poi= nts to that address. Works like charm.=20 I forward my email through my provider (smart host) and receive directly.=20= You have to take care of spam yourself, but a combination of amavis, spam as= sassin, clamav and greylisting works wonderful.=20 My MTA is postfix, my IMAP server is courier, and my certificates are from L= et=E2=80=99s Encrypt.=20 Peter > On 4 May 2018, at 20:33, Kurt Buff wrote: >=20 > I assume that you have someone hosting your DNS zone. That's the > easiest alternative. I wouldn't dive into hosting your own DNS. >=20 > You will need, at a mimimum, the following: >=20 > You will need a static address for your host from your ISP (or if you > are colocating your server, from them), and you will also require a > PTR record for your host, entered into the zone of whoever grants you > the static address. >=20 > Your DNS zone will need to list the A (and/or AAAA) record for your > host, and an MX record. >=20 > You will also want an SPF record in your zone, and should explore the > idea of implementing DMARC/DKIM. >=20 > After that is configured, you'll need to configure the software for > your mail server. I suggest using postfix, in conjunction with a good > IMAP server. There are several. >=20 > I'd also recommend that you subscribe to the postfix email list, and > start asking questions there - after you've read the documentation. >=20 > There are alternatives to postfix (I've used and loathed sendmail, a > very long time ago), but postfix is the one that seemed best developed > to me, and I was most comfortable with it. YMMV. >=20 > I'd also suggest setting up an anti-spam filter. For my $dayjob > several years ago, I put up MAIA Mailguard, and it worked very well. > It packages spamassassin and several other things into a very nice > filter, but it might be overkill if you are only doing mail for > yourself. >=20 > I no longer use postfix/spamassassin or other OSS tools for email, so > can't comment much further - $dayjob has implemented commercial > alternatives for all of that. >=20 > HTH, >=20 > Kurt >=20 >=20 >> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:= >> i own a domain (kathe.in) which i would like to setup for mail services. >> essentially, i should be able to log-in over ssh and work through my >> emails using mailx. >>=20 >> i have no idea about what is involved and don't know what the search for >> via google. >>=20 >> could i be pointed in the right direction? >>=20 >> also, how do i evaluate hosting service providers? >> i only know of rootbsd and digitalocean. >>=20 >> thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 21:11:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FA8FB825F for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 21:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from dot.t41t.com (dot.t41t.com [159.203.61.223]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "digitalocean", Issuer "digitalocean" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 200356A74D for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 21:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from dot.t41t.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dot.t41t.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w44Khjak016265 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 May 2018 20:43:46 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: (from tait@localhost) by dot.t41t.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w44KhiKZ016264; Fri, 4 May 2018 20:43:44 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) X-Authentication-Warning: dot.t41t.com: tait set sender to freebsd@t41t.com using -f Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 20:43:44 +0000 From: FBUser To: Mayuresh Kathe , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: email service for a private domain! Message-ID: <20180504204344.GA26824@dot.t41t.com> References: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180504083711.GB10324@wolfman.devio.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 21:11:15 -0000 Mayuresh Kathe said (on 2018/05/04): > i own a domain (kathe.in) which i would like to setup for mail services. > essentially, i should be able to log-in over ssh and work through my > emails using mailx. > ... > could i be pointed in the right direction? > > also, how do i evaluate hosting service providers? > i only know of rootbsd and digitalocean. As others have mentioned, it's a nontrivial amount of setup, that a third party would be happy to do for you. I would recommend FastMail. At its simplest, receiving email is easy. You need to configure an MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, ...) to know it should receive email for your domain, then you need to point the MX record in DNS to that server. A small domain might even manage adequately without spam filtering, but setting up ClamAV and SpamAssassin is well covered by online tutorials. (Search for "setting up spamassassin" plus the name of the MTA you're using.) You may use the default local delivery agent, which will probably drop messages into /var/mail. Or you might want something more featureful like procmail or sieve. If you want to be able to retrieve email remotely (e.g. via IMAP) that's another set of things to configure, but you only asked about local access. Sending email is more work (if you want it to be read). In today's environment you will need to set up SPF, which advertises in DNS who can send mail for your domain. SPF is not enough anymore, though. You also need to set up DKIM, which cryptographically verifies certain headers in your outgoing email against a public key published in DNS. You also need to ensure you have "sender alignment", which matches MAIL FROM with From: with your SPF and DKIM records. Then you need to publish a policy called DMARC in DNS to describe your mail practices. You probably want that policy to include reporting of failures, at least initially. All that effort will be for naught if you do not restrict who can send mail through your server to just authorized users by appropriately configuring your MTA. You might look at packaged do-it-yourself solutions like https://mailinabox.email/, for guidance if not also actual implementation. As for where to host, reputation matters. In my experience reputation and cost are proportional. Lots of email providers outright block email from all of DigitalOcean's IP space, because they're the lowest-cost provider and therefore the largest source of problems, with high IP turnover. Similarly, residential IPs -- or things providers sometimes mistakenly think are residential IPs -- are blocked. I've not heard of too much trouble with RackSpace/RootBSD. Good luck! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 23:20:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1287FBAFB0 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 23:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward105o.mail.yandex.net (forward105o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::608]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AD1068874 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 23:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback14g.mail.yandex.net (mxback14g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:93]) by forward105o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 4003244426CC; Sat, 5 May 2018 02:20:01 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp2j.mail.yandex.net (smtp2j.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:801::ac]) by mxback14g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id ogKonubQNp-K0o8mq1t; Sat, 05 May 2018 02:20:01 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1525476001; bh=tkxZjnPfhDYK3sw7KJNd+A+wSUfEDaMQFeYuWrsksRM=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=bad0HRAkUK8Ye4SsHOj7bPiyWKhXOqT51cRU19IEfQJeH2pCpGnFMP1IRhJRfQKWi RjYWPcESxr5OuLal1UhU+L6rxONaW1YYzDzHQJpev85jl9IN5YPeZ/9XuPOW0Gxj9I XLz7Fjzg0ALNBPNq/u+VkITHB76KHMTIvL82H4TM= Received: by smtp2j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id Z7zZcvHiSi-JxQantKc; Sat, 05 May 2018 02:19:59 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1525475999; bh=tkxZjnPfhDYK3sw7KJNd+A+wSUfEDaMQFeYuWrsksRM=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=E532ODaOuHdpOGPTKsIsxYKdx7ZYiNGyAY72A/j7gL1cAmvUffDsMRyiTs61atnlh BzDv2ZSm1HsEa94IcDI7utxXvAVnhivxioICzOlr8dtDWYwNe/2quYY7exbSERYFgs 4N/fULW6/4DVPdlfeVVs1mOSGVtLShKPAiwOzNAI= Authentication-Results: smtp2j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Message-ID: <1525475996.74415.1.camel@yandex.com> Subject: Re: blender - llvm From: StariKarp To: Shane Ambler , FreeBSD Questions Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 19:19:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <11423618-016d-50ee-c420-4858f1221229@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <1524996990.23915.1.camel@yandex.com> <11423618-016d-50ee-c420-4858f1221229@ShaneWare.Biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 23:20:05 -0000 On Sat, 2018-05-05 at 02:55 +0930, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 29/04/2018 19:46, StariKarp wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I am using Blender on FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE (amd64) and as I have > > experience it was (is) the problem with different versions of llvm > > which new versions are coming in the ports tree very fast. > > I have in /etc/make.conf: > > MESA_LLVM_VER=40 > > and building and running Blender works. How is the future of > > Blender > > because of the new versions of llvm60, please? > > I'm running 11-stable (Mar 16), I haven't updated during the start of > the 11-stable changes preparing for 11.2 > > While I haven't done a full ports update for a while, (my > dependencies > are still built from llvm50), I can build blender using clang60 and > aren't seeing any issues, that is with osl using llvm40. > > In poudriere everything builds with llvm60 > Thank you. It works and as you wrote the problem is osl which I have to used but cycles engine works without osl too. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 4 23:34:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A489FBB792 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (mo29.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.228.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9F396C818 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 23:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from he30.mail.ovh.net (he30.mail.ovh.net [188.165.67.38]) by mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA50C34670 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 01:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from WorkMachine (unknown [109.190.197.146]) by he30.mail.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A00963609F for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 01:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 01:26:42 +0200 From: AikiZen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180505012642.6f351370@WorkMachine> In-Reply-To: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17024732493934829060 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedthedrtdeigddvudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 23:34:23 -0000 Le Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:02:56 +0700, Victor Sudakov a =C3=A9crit : > Dear Colleagues, >=20 > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise?=20 >=20 > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like=20 > Ubuntu or Windows). >=20 > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > cannot do that). >=20 > Thanks in advance for any input. >=20 hi victor, this day i think about code a new interface style, in front of vt, like haiku or else. this interface start at the boot time and is between tty and X11. for this need rewrite an gtk3 library or ncurses library, i don't know. but this interface will use especially without mouse using, logging like on ttys and work like hight interface at X11/gnome3 but take the place of vt... i don't know if it's possible and my competence of coding it too light. but i think the distinction between ttys/vt and X11/gnome3 is not for new desktop use. ttys just for server may be if there this type of interface you find what that you want. best regard, Aiki. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 02:03:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AE2FC23EE; Sat, 5 May 2018 02:03:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22f.google.com (mail-it0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A50596F2FC; Sat, 5 May 2018 02:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id p3-v6so5557036itc.0; Fri, 04 May 2018 19:03:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Q2JMrlH9srE94kOJ2OhP2G1pIPuH7eP6GkN11jm2vPs=; b=FOr0oBrYvtTertv5x2zRJ8V//rxwWE3nPgcLCpctxZHE6Qi57oaJQKO3vuH5DbcyFY E8YxVg8JqgYqKPfANln9EHOzYS7Hpm/E4eVziNqlN9qIZr72ulu6fiffNYsxtFyqq1rX TenxWORz02ohD1Z4fQAUT0TgpCHmtxz2W/4PgyWYL8q4qK9KsWlZgcOKA5Kd+NU3mN8a DKl2JtpBULPxz1xXtnRGJyCsZyWUT9c7i98/Vbuz+JZqgceWFu3IAcTvS+B0fdxwWIt9 f9jzManuMmQaPMOx01MfH9OUreXVtBcFptcEOKm63eP1JrBT5V6rfMrEBk949xw865sQ shVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Q2JMrlH9srE94kOJ2OhP2G1pIPuH7eP6GkN11jm2vPs=; b=J0p+DFyljGlagkv80mpr3qTj/R+Mf0qemCKZ5Ml5x3Fxf1ljxGAbfdl/0qc3J5wqd1 aB+5sdy0H4Wh/0MyNIFionQzqJ56pC/vMO8bVMp3nbXNHAclCw7pu3Cz3+c8j/EL/cQl 51BPf4lgHAbUxjot2y30OezLt4MIGMHeRRGhRCnuwQs5U38dvS55vQZS0PV2N/GCbwOZ nIc1d0NgrFQbcm/1s3yMDsm4AtwEJQlqS60+yrdsLFOuZQoy3zGKaI/93vOV1V4Yg8YN YtHlebU+c1xLwk9eC8EqBe2GkivktBLc15cFVUl1LM1imRwHdY7fyuMx0El9wJlpouzN SKCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCguFOSq09YehFtdGrXggaU/n4peRsNOjm5PGbj02UqnK/lhiI2 zoYcS123ALA3/hxDma+eWU54K200C4GW/H9P3IA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZq3rKyCGNMx8ED2DIz56ohZ3GVVd7nhU0As7d2Ax5/KYJ3axVCLrw5yQOFffFoDt8Pb+to4UDbqO7Sdod/PLdQ= X-Received: by 2002:a24:2213:: with SMTP id o19-v6mr30249399ito.16.1525485830783; Fri, 04 May 2018 19:03:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:c68a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2018 19:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 10:03:50 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Hydraulic simulation software To: FreeBSD Ports , FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 02:03:52 -0000 Are there any hydraulic simulation software in the FreeBSD ecosystem? 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I look forward to hearing from you. *Best Regards,* *Mary Johnson* *SEO-Consultant* From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 11:16:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E497FAA8A5 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 11:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16800870BC for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 11:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id CB78CFAA8A3; Sat, 5 May 2018 11:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FB6FAA8A0 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 11:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65115870B3 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 11:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w45ArDA7005776 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 06:53:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 06:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Looking for wiki software Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 11:16:53 -0000 Hello list, I'm looking for advice and opinions on wiki software. This would be for use by a small business group, probably not more than 25 or so users in total. The idea is that each user would contribute material on subjects in which he is "expert." Eventually we end up with solid documentation of our processes and our homegrown software, and then things don't go to hell as much the next time someone is nearly killed in an accident. I have a reasonably decent machine on which to run this, but still it would be nice if the solution were, for example, not too heavy on the build- and run-dependencies. Other nice-to-haves: . Easy user management, ideally with self-signup . Use with http server of my choice, i.e. server-agnostic . TLS supported I'd be grateful for any suggestions, or for stories of good or bad experiences. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 12:18:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91F9FAC890 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3989574A96 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EB010FAC88F; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C394BFAC88D for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x22f.google.com (mail-vk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53AD474A95 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 131-v6so14924671vkf.8 for ; Sat, 05 May 2018 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9J2wpp8Si69NPZXWoikozxMS8zhXdZiLj4CqcdKA3BY=; b=l2soDL+vnaxQrq14hDEOgAY/yZQpEFfgPBeUGRIFXzIhNmsTki0yIV5pj+/HOX3N8q u0fSPDHOKCK9J0+bQYrpiCmG3hTTiR776Fp/ttgPkUHI09JtsLiNbp1f/oc4WvI4vJ/2 a/iAIskLLj27N8Kz8rSr7WdE7Ao0KxkKW1kAxrcd38ZzH2OQpUdxy/oZBAsQPF6vU6Ee jBV30XNZs1hsyu5xwetNKJ6L0W6rKHs5OyvT0RKdrEgBuq8rd/hGaroJSINzXdZJlsb0 Jit2y2lOe3EDTGDLf1KeVjH0hBwsXoZItCHTLIZYQ1Bh25bMkm4WuvfwayjefY+mAF9Z i04Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=9J2wpp8Si69NPZXWoikozxMS8zhXdZiLj4CqcdKA3BY=; b=hlMAPTAR1PsMBjORVg8AKJVk8zvWIusK6h4z1f48z1T8woOh8Q734cwIbJl/waZ1B0 WH2Gwe40uooDZWs+L59bWKT4o1mtwr4CxoBoXMYM0kTerigtWL07L+2MB9oOYPxNmgf3 wJJxZvAF69PH5KJQEk2mp86WfRZi9mD7TBN19+g8qLkExnAbAq+DUPVo01eDnsQWyF+N 0TTPLdFodLZeQw2ArAgHymYBZ5MomoJccXuX7PZZfmTULrnD/ij1Pn001Bol/IkBuz/y pqsy4mB1gvK2F7Mew78ZyqJZAsL8cFdr8JxgTAN9Ih4UYB91094v1KEsABG2zXMc45aI eCWA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tClTsEwfFsH3P8yp7aI7uxs+x3Bjx7eaHnN9K5r8lm6dEo69UKt 8gi11cZ7+pDBiY0nn5QJLgthRhqDuJR6MHcE5QWwhQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrre5esx3DaxFo6bgYJULBB8z020M9xo8S6KIn+5rWdouhUTpJOn4EnINU5bve9dJ6hjuq0GFWF3iQPwMBUo54= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:de04:: with SMTP id v4-v6mr26472253vkg.87.1525522727547; Sat, 05 May 2018 05:18:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.21.133 with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2018 05:18:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Waitman Gobble Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 08:18:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for wiki software To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 12:18:49 -0000 On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 6:53 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm looking for advice and opinions on wiki software. This would be for use > by a small business group, probably not more than 25 or so users in total. > The idea is that each user would contribute material on subjects in which he > is "expert." Eventually we end up with solid documentation of our processes > and our homegrown software, and then things don't go to hell as much the > next time someone is nearly killed in an accident. > > I have a reasonably decent machine on which to run this, but still it would > be nice if the solution were, for example, not too heavy on the build- and > run-dependencies. > > Other nice-to-haves: > > . Easy user management, ideally with self-signup > . Use with http server of my choice, i.e. server-agnostic > . TLS supported > > I'd be grateful for any suggestions, or for stories of good or bad > experiences. > > -- > Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org > ** [ Busy Expunging ] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hubzilla has wiki component, https://github.com/redmatrix/hubzilla -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 650-621-0423 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 12:36:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E6BFAD12E for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1EB78D2B for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3AED6FAD12D; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29967FAD12C for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from smtp1.cretaforce.gr (smtp1.cretaforce.gr [78.47.134.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7D0C78D2A for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 12:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) by smtp1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33ECF3EA36 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:29:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (athedsl-126776.home.otenet.gr [85.75.70.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A0582730A for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:29:57 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: Looking for wiki software Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 15:29:56 +0300 References: To: FreeBSD Questions List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-CretaForce-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CretaForce-MailScanner-ID: 33ECF3EA36.AE762 X-CretaForce-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CretaForce-MailScanner-From: chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 12:36:04 -0000 Check dokuwiki. > On 5 May 2018, at 15:18, Waitman Gobble wrote: >=20 > On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 6:53 AM, Chris Hill = wrote: >> Hello list, >>=20 >> I'm looking for advice and opinions on wiki software. This would be = for use >> by a small business group, probably not more than 25 or so users in = total. >> The idea is that each user would contribute material on subjects in = which he >> is "expert." Eventually we end up with solid documentation of our = processes >> and our homegrown software, and then things don't go to hell as much = the >> next time someone is nearly killed in an accident. >>=20 >> I have a reasonably decent machine on which to run this, but still it = would >> be nice if the solution were, for example, not too heavy on the = build- and >> run-dependencies. >>=20 >> Other nice-to-haves: >>=20 >> . Easy user management, ideally with self-signup >> . Use with http server of my choice, i.e. server-agnostic >> . TLS supported >>=20 >> I'd be grateful for any suggestions, or for stories of good or bad >> experiences. >>=20 >> -- >> Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org >> ** [ Busy Expunging ] >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 > Hubzilla has wiki component, > https://github.com/redmatrix/hubzilla >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Waitman Gobble > Los Altos California USA > 650-621-0423 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 13:51:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304AFFAE906; 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05 May 2018 14:00:38 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id DBACD261FA05; Sat, 5 May 2018 10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: 5 May 2018 10:00:37 -0400 Message-Id: <20180505140037.DBACD261FA05@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: chris@cretaforce.gr Subject: Re: Looking for wiki software In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 14:00:39 -0000 In article you write: >>> I'd be grateful for any suggestions, or for stories of good or bad >>> experiences. I have a bunch of wikis in mediawiki. I needs mysql, a web server (usually Apache) and PHP, all of which are in the ports. It is not hard to set up, and the load it adds to my system for low-volume wikis is imperceptible. It has self-signup and you can configure it in reasonable ways like login to edit or login to view. It has the advantage that since it's the same software as Wikipedia, anyone who knows how to navigate and edit Wikipedia already knows how to use it. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 15:13:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879FAFB05A2 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from radek.krejca@starnet.cz) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACB17B2B8 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from radek.krejca@starnet.cz) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B6503FB05A1; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94300FB05A0 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from radek.krejca@starnet.cz) Received: from EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz (exchange.mail.starnet.cz [92.62.224.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz", Issuer "STARNET" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E38DD7B28C for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from radek.krejca@starnet.cz) Received: from EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz ([fe80::d017:9e72:12a5:7bb4]) by EXCHANGE.mail.starnet.cz ([fe80::d017:9e72:12a5:7bb4%14]) with mapi; Sat, 5 May 2018 17:13:29 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Radek_Krej=E8a?= To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 17:13:27 +0200 Subject: Firebird core dumped after update Thread-Topic: Firebird core dumped after update Thread-Index: AdPkg58krgUfWs2fRgGFn/3gNFBNWQ== Message-ID: Accept-Language: cs-CZ Content-Language: cs-CZ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: cs-CZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 15:13:33 -0000 Hello, I updated freebsd and ports to latest version. And I have big troubles with= Firebird and probably ICU after update. Server starts without problems but= if I try to import database, server core dumps. I tried start server with truss and I got this result: stat("/usr/local/share/icu/61.1/icudt61l/windows-874-2000.cnv",0x7fffdf7f63= b0) ERR#2 'No such file or directory' SIGNAL 10 (SIGBUS) poll({ 0/POLLIN 6/POLLIN },2,60000) ERR#4 'Interrupted= system call' process killed, signal =3D 10 (core dumped) Its true, this file really doesn't exist. But why? I tried to recompile all= packages from ports, the same situation. What I am doing wrong? Thank you Radek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 16:01:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A660CFB1C0A; Sat, 5 May 2018 16:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4218E8530A; Sat, 5 May 2018 16:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1354) id 155C1108D6; Sat, 5 May 2018 16:01:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Jan Beich To: Radek =?utf-8?Q?Krej=C4=8Da?= Cc: "freebsd-questions\@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-ports\@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Firebird core dumped after update References: <76366174-F023-4407-84C7-EE1D9D76729B@starnet.cz> Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 18:01:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <76366174-F023-4407-84C7-EE1D9D76729B@starnet.cz> ("Radek =?utf-8?Q?Krej=C4=8Da=22's?= message of "Sat, 5 May 2018 15:50:36 +0200") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 16:01:11 -0000 Radek Krej=C4=8Da writes: > I updated freebsd and ports to latest version. And I have big troubles > with Firebird and probably ICU after update. Server starts without > problems but if I try to import database, server core dumps. Build the port and dependencies WITH_DEBUG=3D1 then use gdb (from ports) or lldb to get a backtrace. truss/ktrace only captures system calls i.e., rarely useful when debugging application crashes. > stat("/usr/local/share/icu/61.1/icudt61l/windows-874-2000.cnv",0x7fffdf7f= 63b0) ERR#2 'No such file or directory' [...] > Its true, this file really doesn't exist. But why? I tried to > recompile all packages from ports, the same situation. devel/icu has --with-data-packaging=3Darchive which concatenates all locale data into a single file e.g., icudt61l.dat. http://userguide.icu-project.org/icudata Maybe ICU always iterates over all places locale data can be. Unless no data is found it's unlikely to be the reason of the crash. 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[88.130.49.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 135sm5006827wmx.21.2018.05.05.09.44.29 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 05 May 2018 09:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 16:44:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Roderick To: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Looking for wiki software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.999 (BSF 260 2018-02-26) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 16:44:34 -0000 On Sat, 5 May 2018, Chris Hill wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm looking for advice and opinions on wiki software. This would be for use > by a small business group, probably not more than 25 or so users in total. Perhaps ... https://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki http://www.cvstrac.org/fossil/doc/trunk/www/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 19:30:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DECCFB7AD9 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 19:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8266E70890 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 19:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 41934FB7AD8; Sat, 5 May 2018 19:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4049FB7AD7 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 19:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A9417087B for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 19:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.12] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id F2smfpBs0DatMF2sqfxgn3; Sat, 05 May 2018 19:30:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 14:30:12 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Chris Hill , FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Looking for wiki software Message-ID: <576B9BAE27C0E4EC5E3A1309@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfP0PAxZpGRnT641fUyn0Tojo0WLwuEwp2dhrSWfukkdHVVYwA1+azQOKzt6Ae7C/vkIdQK+RA0rnGc/Z6oPTP13zdk08D2n69B9WhF42hE2DtMQtPIAa oHOrE9g5ypfDumXKtWunEZMMSqPIiAAPDWpQxe9XUHfMWrdoDhJXpS+V9aGrj3zOf8HlM7qSw+2++eMTrN6gSZ3rt+/u0EvBxD0= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 19:30:25 -0000 --On May 5, 2018 at 6:53:00 AM -0400 Chris Hill wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm looking for advice and opinions on wiki software. This would be for > use by a small business group, probably not more than 25 or so users in > total. The idea is that each user would contribute material on subjects > in which he is "expert." Eventually we end up with solid documentation of > our processes and our homegrown software, and then things don't go to > hell as much the next time someone is nearly killed in an accident. > > I have a reasonably decent machine on which to run this, but still it > would be nice if the solution were, for example, not too heavy on the > build- and run-dependencies. > > Other nice-to-haves: > > . Easy user management, ideally with self-signup > . Use with http server of my choice, i.e. server-agnostic > . TLS supported > > I'd be grateful for any suggestions, or for stories of good or bad > experiences. Unless you have someone to manage it who is very technically astute, I would NOT recommend mediawiki. It is written by programmers for programmers, and requires a great deal of commandline work to get it working right. If your admin can't read code, stay away from mediawiki. I haven't used it, but looked at it in some detail, and I would recommend docuwiki. For the size project you're considering, it's probably ideal. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 20:01:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AABFFB885B for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E976077D7D for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A3B55FB8859; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A48FB8858 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1499377C70 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 80D65CB8D25; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 177.237.78.100 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <56589.177.237.78.100.1525550465.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <576B9BAE27C0E4EC5E3A1309@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <576B9BAE27C0E4EC5E3A1309@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 15:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Looking for wiki software From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Paul Schmehl" Cc: "Chris Hill" , "FreeBSD Questions List" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 20:01:13 -0000 On Sat, May 5, 2018 2:30 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On May 5, 2018 at 6:53:00 AM -0400 Chris Hill > wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> I'm looking for advice and opinions on wiki software. This would be for >> use by a small business group, probably not more than 25 or so users in >> total. The idea is that each user would contribute material on subjects >> in which he is "expert." Eventually we end up with solid documentation >> of >> our processes and our homegrown software, and then things don't go to >> hell as much the next time someone is nearly killed in an accident. >> >> I have a reasonably decent machine on which to run this, but still it >> would be nice if the solution were, for example, not too heavy on the >> build- and run-dependencies. >> >> Other nice-to-haves: >> >> . Easy user management, ideally with self-signup >> . Use with http server of my choice, i.e. server-agnostic >> . TLS supported >> >> I'd be grateful for any suggestions, or for stories of good or bad >> experiences. > > Unless you have someone to manage it who is very technically astute, I > would NOT recommend mediawiki. It is written by programmers for > programmers, and requires a great deal of commandline work to get it > working right. If your admin can't read code, stay away from mediawiki. > I strongly disagree. Mediawiki is quite simple to set up, web based script does all for you. Also, it is decently secure architectured. And there is absolutely no need to look into the code. I have more than a dozen of mediawiki instances on the servers I maintain. > I haven't used it, but looked at it in some detail, and I would recommend > docuwiki. For the size project you're considering, it's probably ideal. And I disageree again. I do not run docuwiki, but I looked in detail into a couple of docuwiki intallations when I inherited support of couple of servers. I quite disliked what I saw, it looked like a mess to me even though its base is quite trivial, and all your data are in plain files. All in all, security wise to maintain docuwiki is sysadmin's nightmare IMHO. As you can guess, I migrated docuwikis I inherited to mediawikis, even though it required some effort to convince wiki owners. My advise would be: take few minutes more, set up mariadb, mysql or postgresql (the last is what I usually use), install mediawiki, subscribe to mediawiki mail list so you know when there is critical update, which are released occasionally. Valeri > > Paul Schmehl, Retired > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 21:29:33 -0000 I think 11.2 is due June 2018. # freebsd-update fetch No updates needed to update system to 11.1-RELEASE-p9. WARNING: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p9 is approaching its End-of-Life date. It is strongly recommended that you upgrade to a newer release within the next 2 months. EoL schedule: releng/11.1 11.1-RELEASE n/a July 26, 2017 11.2-RELEASE + 3 months from src... /usr/src/usr.sbin/freebsd-update/freebsd-update.sh: # Don't warn if the EoL is more than 3 months away if [ ${TIMELEFT} -gt 7884000 ]; then return 0 fi IMHO should not be getting that warning yet? -- Waitman Gobble