From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 15:18:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F0911501AF for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F950801D1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD9A718049 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:18:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <5ee38937-1609-6eef-452e-30bd57746fb1@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:18:02 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6917758579217e9588f5610bb77c9c79.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F950801D1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.27 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.36)[-0.356,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.66)[-0.656,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu,cosmo.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.325,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:18:09 -0000 On 11/27/18 8:30 AM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > On Mon, November 26, 2018 22:31, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> John R. Levine wrote: >>>> The problem is: The signature was not broken until FreeBSD's list >>>> manager >>>> touched the body. >>> >>> Yes, we all know that. We knew that a decade ago when we wrote the >>> DKIM specs. That is not news. >> >> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all >> these years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM >> breaking >> signatures? >> >> OK, fine. >> > > A lot of people cared. You can visit the IETF mailing list and read > through the reams of discussion regarding the negative impact that > DKIM would have on mailing lists. > Indeed. Even paper mail (e.g. USnail) does not authenticate sender. Except for certified mail (which still does not fully authenticate sender, or does it?). Otherwise we would pay instead of 47 cents 4 dollars and 70 cents per stamp ;-) Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++