From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 24 23:31:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FFE1FF8D0 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 484Flc2DLJz3Cy0 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:31:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.103.185.52]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MvKGv-1jlj6u0awb-00rHpE; Sat, 25 Jan 2020 00:31:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 00:31:36 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Michael Sierchio Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Rust in base Message-Id: <20200125003136.a1485866.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <20200124221319.d4e7fa438cbb1f30da10af2d@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZiYSKxG6mgjc9bE1K8DT1ZDGD5uJYFvJii+Y5KFW6TvAGWU5LNw QJT+f8zCc7rQhTfRqG0PxX9p7THYu+FEY+fD1ISLcUkroJmT7wsvoeC9DA7/eANYnb/HpfW qKkpYf7Sl9Utf2SESHOQJdqQZz2vh4/7V1dY9+76sUQpT7pxVGlZ145OpjbhqYe225amocl GMjQTNabstiGE9UL2aUTw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:l6ul6xpRwLw=:anyUJgVQDYDe0m5ePWcvVe QQJLG8ct+U78QFN/qfrlsDPSTVTkP8noh5lJbSH24QzxFWvRm0sG/iE5LSV1hTQSUco28JNQX R+Ox+IiFnJVJQy+9uhVE96JInps66ReeQEkwrL+1KOM+WL+dFvjU5MAvSlGYgiLGs+SuExGaI ZAEqqVLMp0zKU0SsHUTqdXgE98DomBZwHyK5i+sAG7IL5XxhfCgpOTC0W0YTEThtBk8MxAU2z IoRLymCWXDrANTPz+eMCcvW6bsnWst8uVyLiPIx2q4i4kdrwBazNgNxiXdIeeLJHR8TBe5TcN f/2bXP8C79S/sY1xxyyCVbXwnJ3kJhqYzJpu+lC45c5Q++VdyE0ww1LXWwnaeumEd1BXrFNLx hWlXUWzb6lYkh70xOPz8plA8b4AqPvY14T/k+cjfsP2QWVoJjysknI8Fs5OJf6hYg+z3p7yhb auKkgcl86Ude+B2mb2Ac7ggPPFIzMtlFWgUPhxn1LjKRxJxu6KfkWO4Asfw4jGIelTnny2EI7 pDg0fgcWUCU7FrMzjpr9PEbUh6oMSkJSxThw4vcIecncrPXD2PqlneSFEiHYpowPfgb/fBcgj SMTkpGiqKl//OvYrDjCz4jTHICQ8DOKzOVLXG1fi1shGMb7pM5iXIApbvtXiwkZAMmH2xBIPF nbidavnBQloi3Ph5NMHmEN5IXeS2y3wGuovN44281Ypt9pt/NeIEcReil5Pm5/vjaKCjReTtw +GfRWv+Kfd5s8Rr6cnfErRCXfuVz0zKsm0D1bmnwMXFGUppD4VQxeumndTjT1B/p7deR7nR0F qDtK7b0xiiFtcu1qJRjNjLwsNNKtS4/QEthY6toDvrtT7M9WFkLsD+mSyhlAQvqRpDJzHob X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 484Flc2DLJz3Cy0 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.134) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.94 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[52.185.103.188.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[134.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.54)[ip: (1.60), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.15), asn: 8560(2.25), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:31:41 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:00:48 -0800, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 2:13 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:02:55 +0000 (UTC) > > Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > > > So there are 2 questions: > > > - technical one: how bootstrapping issue can be solved? > > > - what does FreeBSD community think of the idea to have Rust in base? > > > > Some years back a great deal of work was done to remove perl from > > the base so adding Rust (or anything else) would be a step back. An old BSD > > goal is that base should be just enough to be self hosting and be BSD > > (removing the traditional games from the base took some discussion). > > > > > As a fellow embedded guy, +1 to what Steve says. Even things in the "Base" > should probably have package db entries so they can be removed. That is a "longer term goal", but development is heading into the direction of making the base OS more modular, and finally abandoning freebsd-update in favor of "pkg for base". It would enable FreeBSD to become even more suitable for "specialized applications" where you intendedly want a minimal or tailored footprint of the OS. > Target > systems don't necessarily need a compiler or a full tool chain. Then we > can converge on a consensus set of basic tools that most people will need, > with the opportunity to remove them – rather than creating a > mini/micro/nano-FreeBSD I just hope it doesn't bring us the "joy" known from Linux land where a failed update (in this context: of application software, here: installed ports / packages) will render the whole system unusable beyong recovery... "even the kernel is a package". ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...