Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:42:21 PDT From: "Cosmic 665" <the_hermit665@hotmail.com> To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: basic info on freebsd needed... Message-ID: <19990804214225.85468.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Man!!! what did I tell ya! Be happy with the way things are.. don't re-invent the wheel. It's working in our favor now. After all, where are all the *computer novices* gonna go when the "Great Windows OS" comes crashing down?? Linux is next.. then what.. FreeBSD. Then FreeBSD is as shitty and crappy as Microsoft. >From: Rick Hamell <hamellr@hamell.hpc1.com> >To: MICHAEL_HEITMEIER@HP-Germany-om12.om.hp.com >CC: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: basic info on freebsd needed... >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:09:04 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 04 10:50:24 1999 >Received: from [204.216.27.18] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB971C85A0145D82197CBCCD81B1273910; Wed Aug 04 10:50:24 1999 >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id 252CE153EB; Wed, >4 Aug 1999 10:49:54 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with SMTPid 044941CD665; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:49:53 -0700 >(PDT)(envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:49:53 >-0700 >Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Received: from br3-de0.dnsmgr.net (br3-de0.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.3])by >hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD01A151C5for ><FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:49:46 -0700 >(PDT)(envelope-from hamellr@hamell.hpc1.com) >Received: from heorot.hamell.hpc1.com (host74-172.iwbc.net >[216.228.74.172])by br3-de0.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id >KAA61032;Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:57:32 -0700 (PDT)(envelope-from >hamellr@hamell.hpc1.com) >In-Reply-To: <H0000d7d05cb71d1@MHS> >Message-ID: ><Pine.BSF.3.96.990803023856.20511B-100000@heorot.hamell.hpc1.com> >Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Precedence: bulk > > > > Well, I did not intend this to be a complaint, so cool your jets. Of > > course you are correct, if anybody who wanted a particular feature would > > get their act together and wrote it then Windows would be dead by now. > > Unluckily it was not meant to be a complaint either...:) Merely >playing devils advocate to a certain point. I would love to see Microsoft >dead, not because I see it as a bad product, but because I do not agree >with the ethics of the company and Mr. Bill. > > > hobby/niche area. Funny then how much official FreeBSD communication > > (Web/newsletter) is spent on 'advocacy'. If it was truly just a hobby, > > then why try to convince other people of its merits? > > To get other people into the hobby. It's a ego thing. If other >people are using and enjoying your work then wouldn't that make you feel >good too? If they can in addition sell it with a nice book then turn the >profits back into the hobby itself, wouldn't that be even better in the >long run. You would then have the money to really do those things you >wanted to do but couldn't afford to do out of pocket before. I.e. the >current incarnation of ftp.cdrom.com Which in turns gets the hobby out to >still more people who would enjoy it and stroke your ego. > > > If you expect me to pay (I have) and shut up (I won't) then I'm afraid > > you're behaving like the proverbial Microsoft. The least I expect that > > happens with my money is that it funds future development and therefore > > buys me the right to give inputs. What else does it mean when 'Walnut > > Creek passes part of the money paid back to the FreeBSD project' ? >(thanks > > for the quote, Adam) Do you think I just pay because I'm such a nice > > person and it's oh so nice to fund these nice programmers with their >nice > > hobby? > > I give them my money to further their vision, as I agree with the >direction they're taking it. They have the knowledge and time to do the >really important stuff, like make the core parts of the system better and >faster, add support for newer hardware architectures, etc, etc. > In turn, my involvement in the project has been avocating it when >I can. Helping others installing and getting things configured. Sitting >down for long hours to figure out how something works, in detail, so that >I better my knowledge of computers (and hopefully soon programming,) I've >been working to get a Portland FreeBSD Users Group up and going so that >the local community can support and advocate the project as a whole. > But.... it is still nothing more then a hobby for me. I run >FreeBSD at home almost exclusivly because I'm tired of trying to figure >out why Windows crashed just because I clicked on one icon. I'm tired of >trying to figure out why my registry is corrupted three days after a fresh >install. I'm tired of constantly playing Microsoft's upgrade game. Oh, >Office 2000? No thanks... I've got Office V.2, V.5, V.6, V.95 and >V.97.... why would I want it? Oh... because not a single old version can >read the new word format. So lets shell out another $150 or so for an >upgrade, the only differance between it and the full install (and >another $100) being a few lines of code that looks for the old >installation. > Windows resides on a small slice in my machine because I got into >computers by playing games. I'm still a gamer at heart and love spending >hours exploring the vision and imagination of others. I'm taking the time >to explore FreeBSD in the same way, so that I too can someday contribute >to the project in a meaningful way. So that I can add to my resume >'FreeBSD Committer,' or even more remotly possibly 'FreeBSD Core Team >Member.' > > > Face it: FreeBSD has become a commercial product and you cannot have it > > both ways. If you value the people who code that much higher than the > > people who pay I'm afraid that thinking is stuck in pre-industrial times > > where division of labour as a concept was still to be discovered. > > I just still don't agree with you on this. I dimly remeber Rod and >Jordan discussing getting a 501C Non-profit whatyamacallit for the FreeBSD >Project only a year or so ago. I don't know what came of that, but how >does a commercial (make money for profit,) make money with a non-profit >status? > As for who I value, I still value those who contribute to the >project, wether it be money from buying the manual and the 4 CD set, to >the core team members itself, to the guy who downloaded it off the ftp >site, installed once had no problems and helps others on the mailing list >or tells others about it. I do not value the person who sits around a says >'FreeBSD must have this feature or it will be dead within a year.' (Not >that I'm saying you do that, again just trying to play devils advocate to >a certain point here. :) > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
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