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Date:      Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:49:34 +0200
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>, ports@freebsd.org, Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.org>, Diane Bruce <db@db.net>, Koichiro Iwao <meta@freebsd.org>, Kurt Jaeger <pi@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: category for VPN softwares?
Message-ID:  <20190402134934.3qigyxwtqa3flkvf@ivaldir.net>
In-Reply-To: <20190402134730.ks2xyurcww6gjupd@ogg.in.absolight.net>
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On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 03:47:30PM +0200, Mathieu Arnold wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 03:34:57PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:29:09AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:24 AM Diane Bruce <db@db.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:13:58AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:37 AM Mateusz Piotrowski <0mp@freebsd.or=
g> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 10:58, Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org> wrot=
e:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Am 02.04.19 um 07:42 schrieb Koichiro Iwao:
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 06:41:51AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Create a real category vpn and move everything to it ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sounds better! Gentoo has net-vpn category. Just FYI, Gento=
o also have
> > > > > > > > net-dialup category. PPP/PPPoE/L2TP softwares are put under=
 net-dialup
> > > > > > > > but I feel that classification is too fine. At least creati=
ng vpn or
> > > > > > > > net-vpn souds good.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about a new "real" category vpn
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not sure if it should be vpn or net-vpn. I feel net-vpn is
> > > > > > more suitable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > and preserving the current categories
> > > > > > > of the ports as their additional categories (assuming that th=
ey are in net
> > > > > > > vs. security for a reason).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like the idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > Creating new categories is absolutely doable! However, we have a
> > > > > pretty high bar for justifying it. There's no magic number, but o=
ur
> > > > > (portmgr's) precedent is that the new category must, at the time =
of
> > > > > creation, be as full as other categories like it.
> > > > >
> > > > > The most important thing in the new category proposal is a
> > > > > comprehensive list of ports that will be moved to it. Put that in=
to a
> > > > > review or a PR and we can move forward. Fair warning though, if i=
t's
> > > > > only about a dozen ports, it most likely will not be approved.
> > > > >
> > > > > My approach here is that new categories should be virtual unless =
the
> > > > > evidence for hard category is incontrovertible.
> > > >
> > > > It's far easier making a virtual category and easier to count ports.
> > > > e.g. https://www.freshports.org/hamradio
> > > >
> > > > We have 101 hamradio related ports with more coming...
> > > > korean has 43,portuguese has 15,russian has 42 although languages a=
re a
> > > > special case palm has 15 ports but whatever. ;)
> > > >
> > > > I'd be surprised if there weren't more vpn ports than 101 so why not
> > > > go with a virtual ports category to start with?
> > >=20
> > > Hi Diane,
> > >=20
> > > That's a great approach to it! AFAIK we haven't explicitly used
> > > virtual categories as a staging ground for hard categories, but that
> > > seems like a really pragmatic approach; no matter the outcome, the
> > > ports tree comes out ahead.
> > >=20
> > > # Adam
> >=20
> > Just to say, having a new "real" category will force people to rework t=
heir
> > entry list for poudriere, reinstall things if they are using portmaster=
 etc.
>=20
> For poudriere, it is transparent as it parses MOVED, and new physical
> categories add entries in there. I think it will tell you something
> about it too.
>=20
Same for portmaster yes, I just wanted to raise the fact that virtual categ=
ories
are transparent addition, but almost useless, while physical one have an im=
pact
:)

Best regards,
Bapt

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