Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:28:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Paul <wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> To: bbursey@mechv.me.tuns.ca (Bryan Bursey) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Issues with xl0 Message-ID: <199910041529.LAA12800@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.991003080352.21888A-100000@mechv.me.tuns.ca> from "Bryan Bursey" at Oct 3, 99 08:09:49 am
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WARNING: the following reply contains Extreme Ranting which may be too intense for young audiences. Those not wishing to experience Extreme Ranting should #define NO_EXTREME_RANTING. Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Bryan Bursey had to walk into mine and say: > I attempted to move from -STABLE to -CURRENT last night, but without any > luck. I decided to start with a current snapshot (19990928), but was > unable to install using the floppies provided on releng3.freebsd.org. #ifndef NO_EXTREME_RANTING But the exact reason why you were unable to install is a secret, right? Clearly the details of the failure would be of no use to anyone, so you chose not to share them, yes? How many times do I have to say it: "it didn't work," "it failed," "I couldn't make it do blah" and similar vague descriptions don't help anybody. Don't start in with a vague statement about a problem and then expect to be asked for more details later: give the details first! It saves a lot of time! #endif > Thinking it might have been a floppy issue, #ifndef NO_EXTREME_RANTING It may as well have been an arthritis issue for all we know. #endif > I used my 3.3-STABLE floppies > and simply changed the install options so that I'd get 4.0. This worked > until I restarted my machine at the end of the install. It came back up > ok, but I was again unable to connect to the network. This is too vague. You're leaving out a ton of details, like: did you even see the xl0 probe messages in the kernel. You know, basic stuff which nobody else will know since we're not able to see over your shoulder. > Can anyone tell me if there are known issues with the xl0 driver in 4.0, > or if it has been superceded by another driver which works with 3Com > 3C900B. #ifndef NO_EXTREME_RANTING No no no. *You* tell *us* if there are any issues! *You* tell *us* if you're having any problems! And then *you* tell *us* in explicit detail what they are! How hard is it to understand that! No, there isn't any other driver. But because you didn't make eves the slightest effort to explain your problem, I can't begin to even help you. #endif You didn't specify which 3c900B card you have: there are several of them with different media options: - 3c900B-FL 10baseFL fiber-optic - 3c900B-TPO 10baseT "Twisted Pair Only" - 3c900B-TPC 10baseT and 10base2 "Twisted Pair and Coax" - 3c900B-COMBO 10baseT, 10base2 and 10base5 (AUI) #ifndef NO_EXTREME_RANTING If you'd bothered to watch what happens when the kernel boots, you would have been able to tell whether or not the 3c900B card was detected (and I know it was in spite of your unwillingless to say so). You would also have been able to tell what media was selected (10baseT, 10base5 or 10base2, depending a bit on exactly which model card you have, which you also didn't tell us). Then had you bothered to rub two brain cells together, you might have been able to tell if maybe the default media selection read from the EEPROM was incorrect and possibly tried to use ifconfig to set it correctly. #endif If you have a TPO or FL adapter, then there's only one media choice, and the driver should have selected it properly. If you have a TPC or a COMBO adapter, then somebody may have fiddled with the 3C90XCFG.EXE utility and selected the wrong default media in the EEPROM. The driver will only use what the EEPROM says; it doesn't autoprobe. If you used the 3C90XCFG.EXE utility to select the "auto" choice, then the driver will pick a reasonable default and expect you to be clever enough to change it with ifconfig if the choice is wrong. For example, for a COMBO card, it will choose 10baseT. If you don't like 10baseT, you can do the following: # ifconfig xl0 media 10base2/BNC # ifconfig xl0 media 10base5/AUI Or if you really want 10baseT: # ifconfig xl0 media 10baseT/UTP If you want to use this setting during the install, then enter the media option command in the box that says "extra options to ifconfig" in the TCP/IP configuration screen (i.e. "media 10base2/BNC"). > Thanks for any help (or other random thoughts). #ifndef NO_EXTREME_RANTING You want random thoughts? Fine: I wish it would stop raining, I hope the Mets make it to the playoffs, my shoes are too tight, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. I know what you're thinking: "why is he being so nasty?" Because I can't stand it when people expect me to play the "minimum information" game, and you are by no means the first. Some people may be able to read a chewing gum wrapper and divine the secrets of the universe, but I'm not one of them. #endif -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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