Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:00:33 -0800 From: Rob <rob@pythonemproject.com> To: Kenneth Culver <culverk@alpha.yumyumyum.org> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, "Steve B." <steveb99@earthlink.net>, "Eugene L. Vorokov" <vel@bugz.infotecs.ru>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C vs C++ Message-ID: <3C856A31.260BAA83@pythonemproject.com> References: <20020305193028.H6706-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org>
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I program in Python for just about everything, mainly because I can read and understand my own code a month later :) C is OK for readability. C++ and Fortran just suck IMHO. I have no opinion on Java. Rob. Kenneth Culver wrote: > > > Not so. Having done C professionally for umpteen years, C++ for a > > little less than umpteen years, and Java for 4, I can say w/out > > reservation that C++ sucks. OOP programming doesn't *have* to be hard. > > C++ puts too many roadblocks in your way. > > > > It not just because Java is newer that it's displacing C++ as the > > primary development language. It's because C++ as a language is *NOT* > > well-designed (design my commitee). C is becoming more and more like > > C++ in this regard. (And before Terry starts whining about strongly > > typed languages, let me state that IMO strongly typed languages are a > > good thing, since they allow you to verify your code at *COMPILE* time, > > vs. at runtime.) > > > > I can get more done in a shorter period of time with Java than with C++. > > However, when speed is of the issues, the computer get more done in a > > shorter amount of time with C than I can with either Java/C++. > > > > My Java programs can often-times run *faster* than my own C++ programs, > > simply because Java (the language) makes it easier to produce a good > > design. I don't find the limitations to be limitations so much, and > > they tend to force me to do better design up front. Both are OOP > > languages, but C++ *feels* like a non-OOP language with some hooks to > > make it more OOP like. (I'd like to play with Smalltalk, but alas > > there's no market for it, and there's no time left in my day to work on > > what I need to get done, let alone for things like playing with ST.) > > > > C++ in it's simple form *can* be easier to maintain, but it rarely turns > > out that way. As programmers, it's difficult to not succumb to the > > temptation to use the latest/greatest feature of the language, since at > > the time it certainly *seems* like it would help things out in the > > long-term. :) > > > > Finally, well-written/optimized C++ code is an abomination to look at, > > and requires sacrificing small animals at alters whenever you need to > > modify it. :) > > > > > > > I need to learn to say what I mean in a better manner. I've been trying to > say the last comment for this whole thread and just couldn't get it into > words. Thanks. > > Ken > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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