From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 17 11:02:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6CB1065687 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC618FC2D for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Kqn6e-0002rl-FV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from pool-138-88-129-188.esr.east.verizon.net ([138.88.129.188]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:02:56 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-138-88-129-188.esr.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:02:56 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:06:37 -0400 Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <20081015222456.GO86263@tnn.dglawrence.com> <20081016111741.GA8548@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-138-88-129-188.esr.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Breach of Contract Reported for FREEBSD.ORG X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:02:59 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> [snip] >> >> ICANN requires registrars to verify the domain info once a year. I just >> went through this with GoDaddy. I think the registrars see this as an >> opportunity to market services. Different registrars bungle their >> marketing effort in different ways. GoDaddy sent me instructions on what >> to do in order to correct errors, but had absolutely nothing on how to >> proceed if the information was correct. So I viewed this as something >> they could take advantage of in order to get me to their site for a "hard >> sell" campaign. > > So how do you folks who comply with ICANN's requirement deal with this? > http://blog.forret.com/2004/12/domain-registry-of-america-scam/ -- This > organisation is now known as "Domain Renewal Group", by the way. What is described in the above URI looks very very similar to what I saw when I first went to check up on the ICANN whois confirmation email I received from GoDaddy. Initially they seemed to be touting their new "TDNAM" service, which I gather is some form of bulk auction. GoDaddy took over the domains from the RegisterFly debacle so they have a few million domains to monetize. A perfect example of "registrar gone bad". At first I was alarmed - "Why am I in some danger of losing my domains?" is what I thought. As I went deeper into it by examining my account, I confirmed that I indeed had "Auto Renew" on, so it would just bill my credit card even if I took no action. However, I tend to do it manually just so I'm satisfied it's done. So in the end this was just a "hard sell" for a new service they wanted to push, for which I have no use. There must have been complaints because when I just went looking for what I saw a few weeks ago it seems to have vanished. > I'm quite interested in knowing; it might be tolerable if you've only > one domain, but if you're a hosting provider and have 100? > I'm not qualified for this because these days I only carry two .com domains. At work we are a large .org entity and we have an entire group of people whose sole function is to deal with this. Relatively low down in the hierarchy my DNS servers are only slaves to those higher up. It is a function handled by others and is out of my hands. But a scam is a scam and the first thing which needs to occur is recognizing a scam when you see it. Most legitimate businesses recognize the need for large scale management and more than likely market some form of service of assistance. It's a matter of trade-off of the fees they charge versus whether it is worth it to you time/money wise to pay for the service. For something like this I would only consider a service of this type offerred by the registrar I'm already dealing with. And even then, I'd double check behind them as I had time. Back in the day I worked 2 blocks from Network Solutions and had a friend that worked there as a DBA. So I had the proverbial "someone you know" insider access. He no longer works for them and moved to California some years ago. But it goes to the point of the working relationship you maintain with your registrar. I'm fairly cynical so I tend to believe large companies only pay attention to large accounts and have a certain tendency to ignore and forget to service the little guy. In that vein it's a "YMMV", depends on who represents you on the other end of the circuit. -Mike