From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 01:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C488A16A4CE for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from delta.kraksystem.pl (delta.kraksystem.pl [217.97.202.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E401443FCB for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ftyczka@ftyczka.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by delta.kraksystem.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C388F2A413 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:16:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from delta.kraksystem.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (delta.kraksystem.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15621-08 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:16:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from ftyczka.org (razor.kraksystem.pl [217.97.202.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by delta.kraksystem.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E018B2A410 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:16:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FC07B31.2030904@ftyczka.org> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:17:37 +0100 From: Jan Szumiec User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: pl, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kraksystem.pl Subject: BSDCon in Poland X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:17:59 -0000 Hello everyone, I wanted to know, who should I contact, besides my local BSD community, if I wanted to organize a country-wide meeting of FreeBSD users. I am guessing that the -advocacy list is full of people interested in this subject. Thanks in advance, jps From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 02:03:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F89A16A4CF for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3FA43FAF for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:03:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOS006TJUKWHW@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:02:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:02:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (postfix@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) hANA2usU026826; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:02:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7DB1D; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:02:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 91A7B4748; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:02:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:02:55 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <3FC07B31.2030904@ftyczka.org> To: Jan Szumiec Message-id: <20031123100254.GC5836@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=48TaNjbzBVislYPb; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <3FC07B31.2030904@ftyczka.org> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon in Poland X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:03:34 -0000 --48TaNjbzBVislYPb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 10:17:37AM +0100, Jan Szumiec wrote: > Hello everyone, >=20 > I wanted to know, who should I contact, besides my local BSD community,= =20 > if I wanted to organize a country-wide meeting of FreeBSD users. I am=20 > guessing that the -advocacy list is full of people interested in this=20 > subject. >=20 A good contact would be the guys who organized the BSDDay in Poland this year. I think Aleksander Czarnowski was one of them. More info about the BSDDay: http://www.deadly.org/article.php3?sid=3D20030526112825 - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --48TaNjbzBVislYPb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/wIXObHYXjKDtmC0RAkXbAKCtX7P49/a4qTm60+trzJkHke8jRQCgsbPG 2oY/c80aCiHXKI7gIVA1bKI= =Hm5U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --48TaNjbzBVislYPb-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 17:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3508116A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from vsmtp2.tin.it (vsmtp2.tin.it [212.216.176.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA2143FAF for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: from workstation (213.45.252.127) by vsmtp2.tin.it (7.0.019) id 3FC2977700005701 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:01:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> From: ".VWV." To: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:01:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:01:19 -0000 Hello. I have discovered at the local International Superior School of Advanced Studies - SISSA of Triest -, they have the MOSIX as the main operating system for clustering - probably with IBM hardware. Mosix is a Linux variant for clustering, mainly supported by KNOPPIX. This is a distribution of a genious german engineer of informatics, Klaus Knopper. They have been stopped now by the european 'software-patents'. Otherwise, Knoppix is only a variant of the Debian Linux, anything more, even if very creative. On the other hand, at the local center of calculation of the university of Triest, they have been always working for calculation with an IBM big monster with the own IBM's AIX. Who is the foolish here: 'advanced' people following the fashion of Linux, or the conservatives of the university, keeping the old material? I know, the correct way is the only true free unix ever, the FreeBSD. I shall continue telling that anybody, even if they think I'm a visionary. I'll tell you more if I'll get something positive at the next meeting about open source at the centre of calculation of the university. I'll go there showing the recently printed FreeBSD reference manual off, even if I'm only a dreamer. Live slices-and-partitioning Berkeley or die. .VWV. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 17:17:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5458616A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.e-easy.com.au (eth0.lnk.e-easy.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BF643FBF for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from e-easy.com.au (eet03s01.aims.private [192.168.10.3]) by postoffice.e-easy.com.au with ESMTP id hAP1IYLm012055 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:18:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from eet03s01 by e-easy.com.au (e-easy.com.au) (MDaemon.PRO.v7.0.0g.R) with ESMTP id md50000026459.msg for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:16:52 +1100 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: "'.VWV.'" , Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:16:49 +1100 Organization: E-Easy Message-ID: <004501c3b2f1$cd2a26a0$030aa8c0@corp.eeasy.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: e-easy.com.au, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:16:52 +1100 (not processed: spam filter disabled) X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=4.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on firewall.aims.private Subject: RE: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:17:57 -0000 Careful. Mosix(aka OpenMosix) is a patch to a generic Linux kernel - hardly a variant. There were/are distro's based on this mod - the distro is not where it started. Mosix actually started on BSD/OS...at an Israeli University... Don't get yourself labelled a Zealot - it's the worst thing you could do... N. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of .VWV. > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2003 12:01 > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: what's unix and what's not > > > > Hello. > > I have discovered at the local International Superior School > of Advanced Studies - SISSA of Triest -, they have the MOSIX > as the main operating system for clustering - probably with > IBM hardware. Mosix is a Linux variant for clustering, mainly > supported by KNOPPIX. This is a distribution of a genious > german engineer of informatics, Klaus Knopper. They have been > stopped now by the european 'software-patents'. Otherwise, > Knoppix is only a variant of the Debian Linux, anything more, > even if very creative. > > On the other hand, at the local center of calculation of the > university of Triest, they have been always working for > calculation with an IBM big monster with the own IBM's AIX. > > Who is the foolish here: 'advanced' people following the > fashion of Linux, or the conservatives of the university, > keeping the old material? > > I know, the correct way is the only true free unix ever, the FreeBSD. > > I shall continue telling that anybody, even if they think I'm > a visionary. > > I'll tell you more if I'll get something positive at the next > meeting about open source at the centre of calculation of the > university. I'll go there showing the recently printed > FreeBSD reference manual off, even if I'm only a dreamer. > > Live slices-and-partitioning Berkeley or die. > > .VWV. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/free> bsd-advocacy > To > unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 18:03:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCBC16A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from vsmtp12.tin.it (vsmtp12.tin.it [212.216.176.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67C243FCB for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: from workstation (212.171.174.155) by vsmtp12.tin.it (7.0.019) id 3FBF913400185F5D for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:48:27 +0100 Message-ID: <003601c3b2f6$3d33a6c0$9baeabd4@workstation> From: ".VWV." To: References: <004501c3b2f1$cd2a26a0$030aa8c0@corp.eeasy.com.au> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:03:40 -0000 I send you all of my most sincere thanks. I have also read some strings linking to israelian developers. I have no problems with israelian products, being a mechanics-lover, I trust their solutions for defensive weapons. I'm not a zealot, I have simply made my choice for the future. I would also like to offer a valid alternative for the symmetric-multiprocessor system at the local centre of calculation of the university. The system is a 'power' architecture mainframe of IBM. I have read FreeBSD is not ready for this purposes. I hope I'm wrong, because I also trust FreeBSD for calculation machines, even if I know its specialty are the internet and the database services. .VWV. Nigel Weeks wrote: > Careful. > Mosix(aka OpenMosix) is a patch to a generic Linux kernel - hardly a > variant. > > There were/are distro's based on this mod - the distro is not where it > started. > Mosix actually started on BSD/OS...at an Israeli University... > > Don't get yourself labelled a Zealot - it's the worst thing you could > do... > > N. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 18:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAFA16A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.e-easy.com.au (eth0.lnk.e-easy.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D1543F75 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:35:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from e-easy.com.au (eet03s01.aims.private [192.168.10.3]) by postoffice.e-easy.com.au with ESMTP id hAP2aClG014447 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:36:13 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from eet03s01 by e-easy.com.au (e-easy.com.au) (MDaemon.PRO.v7.0.0g.R) with ESMTP id md50000026542.msg for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:32:04 +1100 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: "'.VWV.'" , Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:32:03 +1100 Organization: E-Easy Message-ID: <000001c3b2fc$4fabd5b0$030aa8c0@corp.eeasy.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003601c3b2f6$3d33a6c0$9baeabd4@workstation> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0 X-Spam-Processed: e-easy.com.au, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:32:04 +1100 (not processed: spam filter disabled) X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=4.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on firewall.aims.private Subject: RE: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:35:36 -0000 If you're after 'SSI' (Single Server Image), then you're in for some = work on FreeBSD. The patches from the Mosix group could be ported, but it'd be hard work. DragonFlyBSD has a distant goal to include between-machine messaging for process migration, but I'd say you need one now. If they'd handle a master/slave cluster, MPI, PVM, Ganglia(for = monitoring), and the new framework under Seti@home(BOINC) will run with the least = amount of work. Out of the box: Clusterit (/usr/ports/net/clusterit) gives some handy functionailty. PVM (/usr/ports/net/pvm) runs brilliantly MPI (/usr/ports/net/lam, /usr/ports/net/mpich) are popular, powerful = methods I'm into clusters too. I can't wait to do a `top` on a FreeBSD box, and = see processors 0 - 63 busy... Ps. I'm not calling you a zealot. Just be careful recommending to others = too loudly. It's a quick and easy way to get discredited. Pps. I have an Israeli heritage. They write great code. N. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of .VWV. > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2003 12:49 > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Re: what's unix and what's not >=20 >=20 >=20 > I send you all of my most sincere thanks. I have also read=20 > some strings linking to israelian developers. I have no=20 > problems with israelian products, being a mechanics-lover, I=20 > trust their solutions for defensive weapons. I'm not a=20 > zealot, I have simply made my choice for the future. >=20 > I would also like to offer a valid alternative for the=20 > symmetric-multiprocessor system at the local centre of=20 > calculation of the university. The system is a 'power'=20 > architecture mainframe of IBM. I have read FreeBSD is not=20 > ready for this purposes. >=20 > I hope I'm wrong, because I also trust FreeBSD for=20 > calculation machines, even if I know its specialty are the=20 > internet and the database services. >=20 > .VWV. >=20 > Nigel Weeks wrote: > > Careful. > > Mosix(aka OpenMosix) is a patch to a generic Linux kernel -=20 > hardly a=20 > > variant. > > > > There were/are distro's based on this mod - the distro is=20 > not where it=20 > > started. Mosix actually started on BSD/OS...at an Israeli=20 > > University... > > > > Don't get yourself labelled a Zealot - it's the worst thing=20 > you could=20 > > do... > > > > N. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/free> bsd-advocacy > To=20 > unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 18:44:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B286416A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from vsmtp12.tin.it (vsmtp12.tin.it [212.216.176.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A20C43F85 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: from workstation (212.171.174.196) by vsmtp12.tin.it (7.0.019) id 3FBF913400188B85 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c3b2fe$10f5fe20$c4aeabd4@workstation> From: ".VWV." To: References: <000001c3b2fc$4fabd5b0$030aa8c0@corp.eeasy.com.au> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:44:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: Re: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:44:59 -0000 Thanks once more, now I have something interesting to learn. .VWV. Nigel Weeks wrote: > If you're after 'SSI' (Single Server Image), then you're in for some > work on FreeBSD. > > The patches from the Mosix group could be ported, but it'd be hard > work. DragonFlyBSD has a distant goal to include between-machine > messaging for process migration, but I'd say you need one now. > > If they'd handle a master/slave cluster, MPI, PVM, Ganglia(for > monitoring), and the new framework under Seti@home(BOINC) will run > with the least amount of work. > > Out of the box: > Clusterit (/usr/ports/net/clusterit) gives some handy functionailty. > PVM (/usr/ports/net/pvm) runs brilliantly > MPI (/usr/ports/net/lam, /usr/ports/net/mpich) are popular, powerful > methods > > I'm into clusters too. I can't wait to do a `top` on a FreeBSD box, > and see processors 0 - 63 busy... > > Ps. I'm not calling you a zealot. Just be careful recommending to > others too loudly. > It's a quick and easy way to get discredited. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 17:29:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA0616A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB8143F93 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOX00FYOQQQT8@smtp08.wxs.nl> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:28:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from Alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAQ1Tp7f011321; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:29:51 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff@Alex.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex.lan (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAQ1Tpuq011320; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:29:51 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:29:51 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> To: ".VWV." Message-id: <20031126012951.GC1068@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:29:40 -0000 On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:01:24AM +0100, .VWV. wrote: > what's unix and what's not? I feel that *anything* that is based up on the orginal Unix version should be called Unix. So I would say Linux should also be called UNIX or UNIX-BASES, just as *BSD is. Another reason why this difference realy souldn't be thare is that Linux have copies source from BSD in to it own source. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 17:34:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF13916A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp11.wxs.nl (smtp11.wxs.nl [195.121.6.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0997C43FCB for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp11.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOX000DYR2I7X@smtp11.wxs.nl> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:35:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from Alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAQ1Z37f011383; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:35:03 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff@Alex.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex.lan (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAQ1Z2QD011378; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:35:02 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:35:02 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <3FC07B31.2030904@ftyczka.org> To: Jan Szumiec Message-id: <20031126013502.GD1068@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <3FC07B31.2030904@ftyczka.org> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon in Poland X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:34:50 -0000 On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 10:17:37AM +0100, Jan Szumiec wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I wanted to know, who should I contact, besides my local BSD community, > if I wanted to organize a country-wide meeting of FreeBSD users. I am > guessing that the -advocacy list is full of people interested in this > subject. > > Thanks in advance, > jps Every two year a EuroBSDcon is orginised. You may wanna talk to them for advice. There is is: www.eurobsdcon.org -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 18:32:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478EB16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.lab.cyberlifelabs.com (adsl-64-142-24-131.sonic.net [64.142.24.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BA143FD7 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from milo@cyberlifelabs.com) Received: from cyberlifelabs.com (beastie.lab.cyberlifelabs.com [192.168.1.3]) hAQ2WLvn020639 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from milo@cyberlifelabs.com) Message-ID: <3FC410B5.6050807@cyberlifelabs.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:21 -0800 From: Milo Hyson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030924 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> <20031126012951.GC1068@dds.nl> In-Reply-To: <20031126012951.GC1068@dds.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:32:23 -0000 Alex de Kruijff wrote: >On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:01:24AM +0100, .VWV. wrote: > > >>what's unix and what's not? >> >> > >I feel that *anything* that is based up on the orginal Unix version >should be called Unix. So I would say Linux should also be called UNIX >or UNIX-BASES, just as *BSD is. Another reason why this difference realy >souldn't be thare is that Linux have copies source from BSD in to it own >source. > It is my understanding that the Linux kernel was built from scratch. It may be patterned after UNIX, but it wasn't based on it. BSD, on the other hand, is derived (indirectly) from the original work by Ritchie and Thompson. Of course, I may be on crack.... -- Milo Hyson Chief "Mad" Scientist and Director of Asian Operations CyberLife Labs, LLC From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 18:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3182716A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fubar.adept.org (fubar.adept.org [63.147.172.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217C643F93 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:55:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E227015210 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fubar.adept.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fubar.adept.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 13858-01 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from adept.org (mojo.televoke.net [63.237.196.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fubar.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A819315232 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:55:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FC41613.50902@adept.org> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:55:15 -0800 From: Mike Hoskins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> <20031126012951.GC1068@dds.nl> <3FC410B5.6050807@cyberlifelabs.com> In-Reply-To: <3FC410B5.6050807@cyberlifelabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:55:17 -0000 Milo Hyson wrote: > Alex de Kruijff wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:01:24AM +0100, .VWV. wrote: >>> what's unix and what's not? >> I feel that *anything* that is based up on the orginal Unix version >> should be called Unix. > It is my understanding that the Linux kernel was built from scratch. It > may be patterned after UNIX, but it wasn't based on it. BSD, on the > other hand, is derived (indirectly) from the original work by Ritchie > and Thompson. Of course, I may be on crack.... Linux was built as a UNIX alternative, or so the story goes. i.e. Linus had access to solaris/etc. machines at university, but wanted to try "something new" as an OS project. of course he had basic OS concepts ingrained from using and interacting with other OS (primarily solaris i believe)... but the idea was "something not UNIX", or so i've read in accounts by Linus. so... before making assumptions about Linux, i'd go ask him. ;) in general, i've always heard and believed "Linux is not UNIX" -- but that is really a matter of semantics. how similar does something have to look to UNIX before it actually is UNIX? also, more than something purely technical/identifiable, i've always believed the distinction is one that was historically drawn with design goals in mind... so it's not one i'd just dismiss without understanding those goals. at least not if you respect technical mythology as much as fact. ;) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 00:38:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F295816A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao07.cox.net (lakemtao07.cox.net [68.1.17.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A9843FDD for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from vixen42 ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031126083801.FMQM4890.lakemtao07.cox.net@vixen42>; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:38:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 02:36:43 -0600 From: Vulpes Velox To: Milo Hyson Message-Id: <20031126023643.6d69decd.kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <3FC410B5.6050807@cyberlifelabs.com> References: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> <20031126012951.GC1068@dds.nl> <3FC410B5.6050807@cyberlifelabs.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:38:05 -0000 On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:21 -0800 Milo Hyson wrote: > It is my understanding that the Linux kernel was built from scratch. It > may be patterned after UNIX, but it wasn't based on it. BSD, on the > other hand, is derived (indirectly) from the original work by Ritchie > and Thompson. Of course, I may be on crack.... Yeah, more or less... it was mainly created as a minix clone, iirc. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 08:59:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D777216A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from heceta.db.net (heceta.db.net [66.11.169.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E558943FB1 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from db@heceta.db.net) Received: from heceta.db.net ([66.11.169.52] helo=localhost) by heceta.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP30c-000Hgs-Ik for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:59:22 -0500 Received: from cpu2177.adsl.bellglobal.com (207.236.3.154) by heceta.db.net Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=night.dbn) by night.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.9) id 1AP30a-000EIM-18; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:59:20 -0500 Received: (from db@localhost) by night.dbn (8.12.9p2/8.12.8/Submit) id hAQGxJGK054953; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:59:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:59:19 -0500 From: Diane Bruce To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031126165919.GB54928@night.dbn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AP30c-000Hgs-Ik*ALsHgqlpn4Q* Subject: Ottawa area bsd pizza night X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:59:55 -0000 Hi, The first pizza night was a success, so we decided to have one on the second Thursday of each month. For Ottawa (Ontario Canada) and area bsd folk (freebsd/netbsd/openbsd etc.) BSD meeting at the Colonade, Somerset St, pizza+beer, 6pm Thursday December 11th. 280 Metcalfe at Gilmour http://www.ottawaplus.ca/map?mode=geo&id=49236&lat=454158&lon=-756913 Cya there.. - Diane From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 09:52:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B3116A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0B843FAF for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:52:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from webmail14.mac.com (webmail14-en1 [10.13.10.120]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id hAQHqScq011891 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail14 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail14.mac.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hAQHqRYZ011961 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:52:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9538316.1069869147841.JavaMail.rolnif@mac.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:52:27 -0800 From: John Martinez To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:52:29 -0000 On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 06:55PM, Mike Hoskins wrote: >how similar does something have >to look to UNIX before it actually is UNIX? For the official definition, start here: Personally, I lump SVR4 derivatives (Solaris, HP-UX and others) and the BSDs as "UNIX" with different personality types. Linux I would say is a close cousin or even a half brother at this point. -john From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 17:22:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BCE16A4CE for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp07.wxs.nl (smtp07.wxs.nl [195.121.6.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F86143FCB for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:22:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp07.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HP100AYWFT2AN@smtp07.wxs.nl> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:22:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from Alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAS1MJJg004299; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:22:19 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff@Alex.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex.lan (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAS1MJZX004298; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:22:19 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:22:19 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <3FC41613.50902@adept.org> To: Mike Hoskins Message-id: <20031128012218.GA395@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <000701c3b2ef$a617a080$7ffc2dd5@workstation> <20031126012951.GC1068@dds.nl> <3FC410B5.6050807@cyberlifelabs.com> <3FC41613.50902@adept.org> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:22:17 -0000 On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 06:55:15PM -0800, Mike Hoskins wrote: > Milo Hyson wrote: > >Alex de Kruijff wrote: > >>On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:01:24AM +0100, .VWV. wrote: > >>>what's unix and what's not? > >>I feel that *anything* that is based up on the orginal Unix version > >>should be called Unix. > >It is my understanding that the Linux kernel was built from scratch. It > >may be patterned after UNIX, but it wasn't based on it. BSD, on the > >other hand, is derived (indirectly) from the original work by Ritchie > >and Thompson. Of course, I may be on crack.... > > Linux was built as a UNIX alternative, or so the story goes. i.e. Linus > had access to solaris/etc. machines at university, but wanted to try > "something new" as an OS project. of course he had basic OS concepts > ingrained from using and interacting with other OS (primarily solaris i > believe)... but the idea was "something not UNIX", or so i've read in > accounts by Linus. so... before making assumptions about Linux, i'd go > ask him. ;) > > in general, i've always heard and believed "Linux is not UNIX" -- but > that is really a matter of semantics. how similar does something have > to look to UNIX before it actually is UNIX? also, more than something > purely technical/identifiable, i've always believed the distinction is > one that was historically drawn with design goals in mind... so it's > not one i'd just dismiss without understanding those goals. at least > not if you respect technical mythology as much as fact. ;) With Linux i was thinking about the whole OS, since it quite difficult to compare a kernel with an entire operating system. Its a fact that over the time Linux exist it has had a number of sources imported from BSD. Linux may not be called UNIX because you can get a sued. Only the company that owns that right can call it operating system UNIX. Currently this is SCO. AT&T who had the rigth back then has agreed not to sue BSD. This is way BSD can be more freely in using this term. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/ Please CC me.