From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 19:51:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C555514F94; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA07841; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 04:51:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Message-Id: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 04:31:18 +0100 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: German FreeBSD and advocacy Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org cc: to -chat and -advocacy, please trim adresses when responding Hi! Well, I am a kinda "newbie" to FreeBSD, although I have several experience with other OS and the fuss around that. And as a student (engineer with telecommunication/network stuff) I also will have to deal with serious OS in the future. OK: I want to do two things: Contribute something to a project that is in my eyes worth being pushed, and as a student, to earn some money and experience/knowledge/reputation for my studies and later job. (Please forgive me for using Microshit products, but my whole emailing resides also for some compatibility/archiving (about 8000 mails) reasons for years on it. If someone could recommend a product like Eudora Pro for FreeBSD, I'd be happy ;-) ) Ok: My idea was to do some work in the advocacy field regarding germany, and contributing to the documentation (translating/working on handbook and howtos, perhaps a pile/booklet of manpages came to my mind), as my spare time will allow. In addition, to pick up the thread where the worthiness of a product was discussed, there was made the remark, that dealer became interested in selling Linux, because it moved from hacker status/experimental to an accepted, documented, and, most important: Pre-packaged bundle with an actually existing support from the distributors like Suse or RedHat. So they had only to order a package, put it on the shelf and sell it- no questions asked... And the customer (especially in germany) believes, that things, that go for free or almost nothing, are not that valuable. Also, the availability of FreeBSd in the stores here is quite bad, and when they finally order it (from Walnut creek), it is quite expensive. Example: I bought my 3.2 R CD set in Kiel, a city of 300.000, capital of the state. the book store, which also specialized on lots of Unix/Linux titles told me, yes they can supply me with that, but it would last 10 days, they have to order. Ok, the 4 CD set without handbook was 69 DM, with handbook it was 129 DM. (2 DM~1 U$) The same store sold actual Suse Linux for 69 DM (recommended price is 99= DM). Suse sells to retail people for about 40/50 DM, so there is much money in= it. Thought was to do something with a german booklet, a nice and snappy packaging, so that it can compete against a big Linux package sitting next to it on the shelf. Of course, here has to be done some work/research with walnut creek, as they are doing some business also with that, inhowfar one could come together on that issue. I'll be happy about any thoughts and input, especially regarding licensing/legal issues, esp. regarding copying/distribution of CD sets. Regards Olaf Hoyer - - - - - - - -=20 Olaf Hoyer ICQ: 22838075 mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU) Wer mit Ungeheuern k=E4mpft, mag zusehn,=20 da=DF er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund=20 auch in dich hinein. (Friedrich Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und B=F6se) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message