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Date:      Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:39:47 -0800
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
To:        Justin A Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vmsb.csd.mu.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Emulated Quake2 a no-go 
Message-ID:  <3973.890177987@time.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:25:38 CST." <350F0672.6E0F2068@vms.csd.mu.edu> 

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> Amancio Hasty wrote:
>  >
>  > > Apparently the Linux emulation in FreeBSD isn't good enough quite
> yet.
>  > > Trying to run Quake 2 gives the following:
>  > >
>  > > Mar 17 00:09:35 mcd7-31 /kernel: Linux-emul(211): setup() not
> supported
>  > > And I *am* running as root, so that's not the problem.
>  The problem is that you posted to -current and if you had posted to
>  > -multimedia you will have received a response similar to :
>  >
>  > Download ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/README.GLQUAKE for instructions
>  > on how to get Quake 2 running on FreeBSD.
>  To this, my rebuttal is:
>  
>  This file is rather unhelpful.
>  
>  First of all, it tells me the following:
>  
>  "As of right now you should get the linux emulation layer from
>  ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/linux_ioctl-3.0-current.tar.gz"
>  
>  That's it.  No information on how to install or where in the source
> tree
>  it should go or anything like that.
>  
>  Second of all, some of the information contained in it is out of date.
>  GL Quake 2 and QL Quake no longer require svgalib to run.  There is a
>  hack available that allows Mesa to control the i/o.  You'll have to
> mail
>  David Buccarelli at tech.hmw@plus.it to get the URL because I lost it
>  :(  .  In addition, Quake 2 is now version 3.14a, which may or may not
>  have the network problems fixed; the original worked fine from the
>  console but not from the menu.  I'm not even sure that this relates to
>  the problem, because I believe it used to say "ioctl() not supported"
>  when I was trying the release version.  Now it says "setup() not
>  supported", which is claimed to be a generic error message.
>  
>  Third, the date on this is February 11, and it says: "When we are done
>  wrapping up the support for Quake2 the changes will be roll back to 3.0
>  -current."  Well, it's been a month, and obviously this hasn't
>  happened.  Do you mind my asking what the status on this project is and
>  when the estimated completion date is?
>  
>  And finally, I flat-out disagree that this is an issue for the
>  multimedia mailing list.  First of all, this issue deals with the
>  imperfect emulation of a Linux function, so it belongs in emulation,
> not
>  multimedia.  Had the issue been that the 3dfx doesn't work, or sound
>  access causes a core dump, perhaps that would fit in with the
> multimedia
>  list.  Besides, I was under the impression that the multimedia list
>  referred to native FreeBSD apps that didn't work, not problems with
>  emulated apps.  Second of all,  the changes are (eventually,
> supposedly)
>  to be added to the current version, as your little note says, so, yes,
>  this does belong on the current list.
>  
>  Had you just told me "we're working on that problem," or even "We don't
>  care about that particular problem, and if you have to run Quake 2, go
>  back to Linux,"  I wouldn't have a problem with that.  But when you a.
>  avoid the question, b. point me to information that is not actually
>  relevant to my situation, and c. then try to get rid of me by pointing
>  me to the wrong group, that only confirms what I should have suspected
>  when I mistakenly sent my subscribe command to the list:  If you're not
>  perfect AND you're not interested in writing code for the next version
>  of FreeBSD, you have no business getting a current snapshot, despite
> the
>  fact that it's as freely available as the release version.  Because
> it's
>  freely available, that means it should be open to public scrutiny and
>  suggestions.  The mailing list being able to be posted to by
>  non-subscribers further supports this view.  Unfortunately, the
>  responses I have gotten from this list suggests otherwise.
>  
>  A few final suggestions before I unsubscribe from this list:  Make this
>  list moderated so that you can decide whether a message is appropriate
>  or not.  Or else be prepared to respond more cordially to those
> messages
>  you consider "dumb questions," as it appears you felt all of mine were.
>  And second, mail me when Quake 2 works without any modifications to the
>  linux compatibility package and when the filesystem works properly
> again
>  like it does in Sunday's snapshot.
>  
>  Sincerely,
>  
>  Justin A. Kolodziej
>  --
>  I sense a great disturbance in the Source.
>  Justin A. Kolodziej
>  4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu
>  Marquette University is http://www.mu.edu
> 
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