Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 04:23:21 -0400 From: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> To: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) Message-ID: <CAGBxaX=nobFCoR6TupCOwVHwFkG=LxjY=e8Hw99G7koYpXoSoA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> References: <CAGBxaXk0Abwzk08aUFiNutTpADzAx4btFa0sWjuCoT_Awa=zuQ@mail.gmail.com> <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <f5a0170f-a97d-c961-8a4f-95e1c1454dda@gmail.com> <CAGBxaXksjGrWJWXYzMg18sV7RAU8nsR1QRSPc6OJx7QdoiDvgw@mail.gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <CAGBxaX=baPYj__4scds27y%2BfZ0XcycYDwuZ8Qki-y0XuJVoocQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <slrnra8uff.14m6.mbj@gatsby.mbjnet.dk> <eefe0907-b14d-d368-2368-74a462c47539@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> <CAGBxaX=pUxLBG2%2BxAxKgz-V0iSUegMfdQ%2BtxDU5owSaz8sc0ug@mail.gmail.com> <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux>
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm joining this list since 2012 and don't remember anybody who ever > was nearly as rude, let alone ruder than Aryeh Friedman. This person > In all the time you and I have been on the list we have had no issue til recently. The earliest post of mine I can find is from Sep. 2007 ( https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-September/157968.html). And my FreeBSD experience goes all the way back to 1995 (2.0.5), my BSD experience goes back to 1985 with 42BSD, when I worked with/for two members of the 386BSD team which was forked to become FreeBSD. BTW I am sure I am not the rudest person (by any stretch of the imagination) to be on this list. For example one of the two people mentioned earlier (Jess Monroy, whose actions are well known thus not a personal attack on him... he is my friend after all) managed to annoy the 386BSD crowd so much that they forked it into FreeBSD. I first used Linux in 1993 when starting one of the first commercial grade ISP's in Los Angeles. I spent the better part of the earl 2000's attempting to find a loophole in GPL that allowed for commercial use without violating the spirit/letter of the license (hint: not possible without a dual license) and finally gave up in 2008 and switched back to using the BSD license for my work. But enough about background since it does not serve any purpose except for being evidence against your claims about me personally (being a newbie who is in some general unspecified way "unqualified"). The list has calmed down a lot since those days and until 6 months or so ago was nice and peaceful until a new round of "Linux is better than FreeBSD... get with the times or be left in the dust" type posts came around. This is when many Linux fanatics (not naming names since I am talking about the general trend not the specific posts) started coming onto the list and saying stuff that was simply not true about the BSD license or GPL. If any one person took that as a personal attack then they misread my comments completely (again it was a comment on a general mindset / loosely defined group of people). should consider to reread his own posts to the list, perhaps starting > with his subject of this thread. "Why are so many FreeBSD haters on > this list? (Troll bait)" Insulting "many" subscribers of this mailing > list as "haters" is rude. His mails are full of similar insults about > "evil" people and things, apart from this he insists to continue > spreading FUD. > Name a specific person I said was "evil" or a FreeBSD "hater". This is completely different than you directing the comment "You are just unqualified." ( https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-April/288864.htmlat me and not qualifying what you said about what I was unqualified at or that you where not directing the remark at me personally. BTW Calling a discussion argument "FUD" is a way of peremptorily dismissing someone's concerns without addressing them. Thus it is another personal attack and not a valid civilized debate tactic. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
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