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Date:      Wed, 29 Apr 2020 04:23:21 -0400
From:      Aryeh Friedman <>
To:        Ralf Mardorf <>
Cc:,  FreeBSD Mailing List <>
Subject:   Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait)
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In-Reply-To: <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux>
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:53 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions <> wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm joining this list since 2012 and don't remember anybody who ever
> was nearly as rude, let alone ruder than Aryeh Friedman. This person

In all the time you and I have been on the list we have had no issue til
recently.  The earliest post of mine I can find is from Sep. 2007 (
   And my FreeBSD experience goes all the way back to 1995 (2.0.5), my BSD
experience goes back to 1985 with 42BSD, when I worked with/for two members
of the 386BSD team which was forked to become FreeBSD.  BTW I am sure I am
not the rudest person (by any stretch of the imagination) to be on this
list.  For example one of the two people mentioned earlier (Jess Monroy,
whose actions are well known thus not a personal attack on him... he is my
friend after all) managed to annoy the 386BSD crowd so much that they
forked it into FreeBSD.   I first used Linux in 1993 when starting one of
the first commercial grade ISP's in Los Angeles.  I spent the better part
of the earl 2000's attempting to find a loophole in GPL that allowed for
commercial use without violating the spirit/letter of the license (hint:
not possible without a dual license) and finally gave up in 2008 and
switched back to using the BSD license for my work.   But enough about
background since it does not serve any purpose except for being evidence
against your claims about me personally (being a newbie who is in some
general unspecified way "unqualified").

The list has calmed down a lot since those days and until 6 months or so
ago was nice and peaceful until a new round of "Linux is better than
FreeBSD... get with the times or be left in the dust" type posts came
around.   This is when many Linux fanatics (not naming names since I am
talking about the general trend not the specific posts) started coming onto
the list and saying stuff that was simply not true about the BSD license or
GPL.   If any one person took that as a personal attack then they misread
my comments completely (again it was a comment on a general mindset /
loosely defined group of people).

should consider to reread his own posts to the list, perhaps starting
> with his subject of this thread. "Why are so many FreeBSD haters on
> this list? (Troll bait)" Insulting "many" subscribers of this mailing
> list as "haters" is rude. His mails are full of similar insults about
> "evil" people and things, apart from this he insists to continue
> spreading FUD.

Name a specific person I said was "evil" or a FreeBSD "hater".   This is
completely different than you directing the comment "You are just
unqualified." (
me and not qualifying what you said about what I was unqualified at or that
you where not directing the remark at me personally.

BTW Calling a discussion argument "FUD" is a way of peremptorily dismissing
someone's concerns without addressing them.   Thus it is another personal
attack and not a valid civilized debate tactic.
Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer,

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