Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:14:44 -0700 From: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> To: Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@iet.unipi.it>, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: netmap and other discussions on freebsd-net: please be open minded. Message-ID: <CAJ-VmonfZP5-P80MHqBQGHdXeoC79efFAqmmCRnotM%2B8%2BW9zEw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20140723040909.GJ43962@funkthat.com> References: <CAPBAu3XmVwU8PnHT=WRNtTrpk1D01eeu_%2B3ZRpZ5Snv0c2h5mA@mail.gmail.com> <201405181223.s4ICNTAf097378@fire.js.berklix.net> <20140518230242.GA28117@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <CAJ-VmokEQavV33LDQegxQkNhiNcfnvnMRk0P2eB2eQ04QsihjQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2BhQ2%2BibVP7O5SAK8RM-q3Rb4pxOUGpAHBtC1NFO=DT98CaErg@mail.gmail.com> <20140723040909.GJ43962@funkthat.com>
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We should just make netmap on freebsd .. much much nicer and easier to develop on. :) -a On 22 July 2014 21:09, John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote: > Luigi Rizzo wrote this message on Mon, May 19, 2014 at 04:28 -0400: >> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote: >> >> > Is there a netmap list that these questions (regardless of OS) could go to? >> >> ???no there isn't one. At the moment there isn't enough traffic >> to suggest that, and creating one is likely to generate >> traffic to both the specific list and freebsd-net. > > What volume of traffic do you think is acceptable for creating a > seperate list? > > The last few months I believe that there is enough traffic to justify > a seperate list... and too often the questions are not at all useful > to the FreeBSD community... If they were, I'd be more willing to > tolerate their presence, but mostly they are, I'm running Linux and > I can't be bothered to read the docs or try to figure things ous, can > you set this up for me? type emails... > >> Note, the problem is not only for netmap: we have ipfw+dummynet >> which is already cross platform, and as we bring pieces of the kernel >> to userspace (see??? e.g. the various efforts related to bringing >> up the network stack) we lose the tight bind to the os. > > Then maybe we need to create a special list for cross platform > projects or something, but I don't notice any traffic wrt to ipfw > or dummynet on -net... > >> > On 18 May 2014 16:02, Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@iet.unipi.it> wrote: >> > > Folks, i have two requests for you: >> > > >> > > 1. please do not complain about questions on this list related >> > > to a core network-related FreeBSD subsystem (netmap, dummynet, >> > > netgraph, tcp stack...) even if they are concerned with ports >> > > to Linux or other OSes or to userspace. >> > > >> > > At least in principle, these topics _are_ relevant here precisely >> > > because they relate to code whose main home is in the FreeBSD >> > > source tree, and bugs or feature suggestions etc that may emerge >> > > will directly benefit FreeBSD. >> > > >> > > 2. on the other hand, it would be good if people could avoid questions >> > like >> > > "give me step by step instructions on how to install/run/use X". >> > > There are notes in README and Makefiles, something on the >> > > web pages, and quick web searches should point you to previous >> > > mailing list discussions on the same topic _before asking_. >> > > >> > > So in the specific case below i can understand a reply (perhaps a >> > > private one) saying "have you done your homework (read documentation, >> > > do a web search) ?", but "we only do FreeBSD here" does not sound >> > > right to me. >> > > >> > > cheers >> > > luigi >> > > >> > > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 02:23:29PM +0200, XXX wrote: >> > >> > I am using Fedora 18 with Intel 82599 NIC. >> > >> .............^^^^^^^^^ >> > >> >> > >> Ask on a Linux/Fedora list then. This is a FreeBSD list. >> > >> >> > >> > I am new to netmap and want to experiment with it in the above >> > environment. >> > >> > Can somebody please advise what is the easiest way to go about the >> > above >> > >> > (installation etc.) so that I can concentrate on writing the userspace >> > >> > programs using netmap quickly. > > -- > John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 > > "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."
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